| Mopho | 10-31-2005 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]Well, most people don't start off in a top of the line VT Sportscar Gr. N car....[/QUOTE]
yeah, they start out with an even faster open class car....
don't forget Travis worked his way up in other motorsports, so it is not like he did not "pay his dues"
yeah, they start out with an even faster open class car....
don't forget Travis worked his way up in other motorsports, so it is not like he did not "pay his dues"
| akuhner | 10-31-2005 04:27 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]But I'm still going to withold judgement on him until he matures a bit as a driver, he's only been at this for what, two full years now? I think it's a bit early to declare him the next WRC superstar. [/QUOTE]
Nobody is delcaring him the next WRC superstar, we are just hoping that he will be! Has it even been two years?! This was his first full season...
Mark - there's no way an international star would bring more focus to the sport in North America. Yes, people in other countries, where rally is already a national pasttime, will notice that we have rallies when famous international drivers show up. But no, Stig didn't bring anyone out to a rally who didn't already know and like rally in the US. Travis is the one who brings them out, you can see them at rallies. He has a big fan base already, and when he goes to rally they notice. You should have seen all the kids surrounding him at all the different events this year.
I went to see Petter at his appearance in NJ this summer - more people show up at rallies (if you add them up over the year) to follow Travis around than showed up to see Petter. And a majority of those who showed up to see Petter were already rally fans (even if 1/3 of them looked like toolbags too afraid to get their cars dirty to go spectate a rally!), so what good does that do? It was awesome to have Stig here this year, but the only real clear cut advantage for rally I saw was that he gave Pat a run for the money by adding to the competition.
Alex
(wow, there were 5 other replies in the time it took me to write that!)
Nobody is delcaring him the next WRC superstar, we are just hoping that he will be! Has it even been two years?! This was his first full season...
Mark - there's no way an international star would bring more focus to the sport in North America. Yes, people in other countries, where rally is already a national pasttime, will notice that we have rallies when famous international drivers show up. But no, Stig didn't bring anyone out to a rally who didn't already know and like rally in the US. Travis is the one who brings them out, you can see them at rallies. He has a big fan base already, and when he goes to rally they notice. You should have seen all the kids surrounding him at all the different events this year.
I went to see Petter at his appearance in NJ this summer - more people show up at rallies (if you add them up over the year) to follow Travis around than showed up to see Petter. And a majority of those who showed up to see Petter were already rally fans (even if 1/3 of them looked like toolbags too afraid to get their cars dirty to go spectate a rally!), so what good does that do? It was awesome to have Stig here this year, but the only real clear cut advantage for rally I saw was that he gave Pat a run for the money by adding to the competition.
Alex
(wow, there were 5 other replies in the time it took me to write that!)
| FaastLegacy | 10-31-2005 04:28 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]yeah, they start out with an even faster open class car....
don't forget Travis worked his way up in other motorsports, so it is not like he did not "pay his dues"[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he didn't pay his dues. In reference to what you said, who outside of Europe starts off rallying with an Open class car?
There are rules in RA now that prevent exactly that, are there not?
don't forget Travis worked his way up in other motorsports, so it is not like he did not "pay his dues"[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he didn't pay his dues. In reference to what you said, who outside of Europe starts off rallying with an Open class car?
There are rules in RA now that prevent exactly that, are there not?
| bjorn240 | 10-31-2005 04:35 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]There are rules in RA now that prevent exactly that, are there not?[/QUOTE]
Yes. But presumably that rule was put in place because people were starting in Open Class cars. If nobody started in Open Class cars, it would have been silly to write that rule.
Christian, who among other things, wrote that rule when he was on the SCCA PRB.
Yes. But presumably that rule was put in place because people were starting in Open Class cars. If nobody started in Open Class cars, it would have been silly to write that rule.
Christian, who among other things, wrote that rule when he was on the SCCA PRB.
| Mopho | 10-31-2005 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]I'm not saying he didn't pay his dues. But who outside of Europe starts off with an Open class car?
There are rules in RA now that prevent that, are there not?[/QUOTE]
It appears you are suggesting that he did not pay his dues... so what are you suggesting then?
These rules just took effect this year. When the SCCA was in charge you could pretty much start in anything you want, and many people showed up in an Open Class car, whether it a Subaru, Evo, an Eclipse, Audi, etc. as long as you could afford it, you could show up with pretty much anything.
There are rules in RA now that prevent that, are there not?[/QUOTE]
It appears you are suggesting that he did not pay his dues... so what are you suggesting then?
These rules just took effect this year. When the SCCA was in charge you could pretty much start in anything you want, and many people showed up in an Open Class car, whether it a Subaru, Evo, an Eclipse, Audi, etc. as long as you could afford it, you could show up with pretty much anything.
| Pete 97 GS-T | 10-31-2005 04:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]Edit: damn, I took too long to type (shouldn't have toasted that bagel) and others beat me to it :o[/QUOTE]
I take back what I said about you being fast. :D
I take back what I said about you being fast. :D
| RB5 Clone | 10-31-2005 04:49 PM |
Travis got plenty of seat time in rally cars before he started with a GpN car here...like stuffing buggies and rollng Evos in the Race of Champions.
Dave G
Dave G
| Mopho | 10-31-2005 04:52 PM |
[QUOTE=Pete 97 GS-T]I take back what I said about you being fast. :D[/QUOTE]
sometimes slow is better....
sometimes slow is better....
| RRR-K2 | 10-31-2005 05:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Did Travis really bring more popularity to Rally in the US??
~Mark[/QUOTE]
As someone who deals with 12-18 yr. olds on a daily basis, I'd say he has. Especially once OLN started showing coverage.
I can't count how many times, when talking about rallying with students, one of them asked me if I talked to him or got his autograph :rolleyes: Usually a kid that knows a little bit about the sport smacks them and reminds them that I was probably a little busy at the time :p
Matt Kennedy
[URL=http://www.RockyRoadRacing.com][U][COLOR=DarkRed]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
~Mark[/QUOTE]
As someone who deals with 12-18 yr. olds on a daily basis, I'd say he has. Especially once OLN started showing coverage.
I can't count how many times, when talking about rallying with students, one of them asked me if I talked to him or got his autograph :rolleyes: Usually a kid that knows a little bit about the sport smacks them and reminds them that I was probably a little busy at the time :p
Matt Kennedy
[URL=http://www.RockyRoadRacing.com][U][COLOR=DarkRed]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
| FaastLegacy | 10-31-2005 05:22 PM |
[quote]It appears you are suggesting that he did not pay his dues... so what are you suggesting then?[/quote]
I said he took the "non-traditional" route to rallying. Read into that whatever you want, I'm not going to stop you.
I said he took the "non-traditional" route to rallying. Read into that whatever you want, I'm not going to stop you.
| Mopho | 10-31-2005 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]I said he took the "non-traditional" route to rallying. Read into that whatever you want, I'm not going to stop you.[/QUOTE]
Than why bring it up then?
And it's the tone of your posts in this thread that lead me to that conclusion.
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]Travis Pastrana, the ultimate rally marketing tool, for SOA anyway.
I have mixed feelings on those two, I'm sure they're contributing a significant amount of their own money to their efforts and that's cool. But then when you see everyone else stuggling to make ends meet, even some of the top drivers, and Travis and Ken are recieving SOA money pretty much because of their "name value", meh.[/QUOTE]
Than why bring it up then?
And it's the tone of your posts in this thread that lead me to that conclusion.
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]Travis Pastrana, the ultimate rally marketing tool, for SOA anyway.
I have mixed feelings on those two, I'm sure they're contributing a significant amount of their own money to their efforts and that's cool. But then when you see everyone else stuggling to make ends meet, even some of the top drivers, and Travis and Ken are recieving SOA money pretty much because of their "name value", meh.[/QUOTE]
| Rallycarperson | 10-31-2005 05:46 PM |
[QUOTE=RRR-K2]As someone who deals with 12-18 yr. olds on a daily basis, I'd say he has. Especially once OLN started showing coverage.
I can't count how many times, when talking about rallying with students, one of them asked me if I talked to him or got his autograph :rolleyes: Usually a kid that knows a little bit about the sport smacks them and reminds them that I was probably a little busy at the time :p
Matt Kennedy
[url="http://www.rockyroadracing.com/"][u][color=darkred][url="http://www.rockyroadracing.com/"]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/color][/u][/url][/url][/QUOTE]
Matt, Im 15. :p
I did see all the people surrounding him in STPR and especially in MFR. Instead, I went for Pat's and Stig's autograph.
I know Travis is a very good driver, better than 99% of us will ever be. However, do you think Travis would be in that seat he is in, if it wasn't for his fame?? That is my point...
Being brought up with rally in my blood and with future goals of becoming a rally driver, I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.
Im not throwing flames...just tryin to continue this sick debate.
~Mark
I can't count how many times, when talking about rallying with students, one of them asked me if I talked to him or got his autograph :rolleyes: Usually a kid that knows a little bit about the sport smacks them and reminds them that I was probably a little busy at the time :p
Matt Kennedy
[url="http://www.rockyroadracing.com/"][u][color=darkred][url="http://www.rockyroadracing.com/"]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/color][/u][/url][/url][/QUOTE]
Matt, Im 15. :p
I did see all the people surrounding him in STPR and especially in MFR. Instead, I went for Pat's and Stig's autograph.
I know Travis is a very good driver, better than 99% of us will ever be. However, do you think Travis would be in that seat he is in, if it wasn't for his fame?? That is my point...
Being brought up with rally in my blood and with future goals of becoming a rally driver, I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.
Im not throwing flames...just tryin to continue this sick debate.
~Mark
| WagonMonster | 10-31-2005 05:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Matt, Im 15. :p
I did see all the people surrounding him in STPR and especially in MFR. Instead, I went for Pat's and Stig's autograph.
I know Travis is a very good driver, better than 99% of us will ever be. However, do you think Travis would be in that seat he is in, if it wasn't for his fame?? That is my point...
Being brought up with rally in my blood and with future goals of becoming a rally driver, I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.
Im not throwing flames...just tryin to continue this sick debate.
~Mark[/QUOTE]
So, Travis having proved himself in Moto-X doesn't count?
I did see all the people surrounding him in STPR and especially in MFR. Instead, I went for Pat's and Stig's autograph.
I know Travis is a very good driver, better than 99% of us will ever be. However, do you think Travis would be in that seat he is in, if it wasn't for his fame?? That is my point...
Being brought up with rally in my blood and with future goals of becoming a rally driver, I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.
Im not throwing flames...just tryin to continue this sick debate.
~Mark[/QUOTE]
So, Travis having proved himself in Moto-X doesn't count?
| Pete 97 GS-T | 10-31-2005 06:13 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.[/QUOTE]
So if Jeff Gordon decided to do a rally here and there, should he start in a old beat up G2 VW Golf? What about Michael Schumacher? Travis has time behind the wheel in other racing. He has the money. He has the exposure. I may have driven down more dirt roads in my life than Travis has, but Subaru would much rather throw money his way. If Martha Stewart wanted to race, then I'd say to start her in the Hyundai media car seeing she has no racing experience. Travis has all the pieces of the puzzle. He'll just get better over time.
So if Jeff Gordon decided to do a rally here and there, should he start in a old beat up G2 VW Golf? What about Michael Schumacher? Travis has time behind the wheel in other racing. He has the money. He has the exposure. I may have driven down more dirt roads in my life than Travis has, but Subaru would much rather throw money his way. If Martha Stewart wanted to race, then I'd say to start her in the Hyundai media car seeing she has no racing experience. Travis has all the pieces of the puzzle. He'll just get better over time.
| AlexP | 10-31-2005 06:34 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]
Christian, who among other things, wrote that rule when he was on the SCCA PRB.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=1]I hate that rule.....[/SIZE]
Christian, who among other things, wrote that rule when he was on the SCCA PRB.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=1]I hate that rule.....[/SIZE]
| WRXedUSA | 10-31-2005 06:39 PM |
Cliff's notes:
You would need a Jeff Gordon-esque driver on swap to R-A to make it soar in popularity.
I do want to say 'great job' to all the crew members posting here for the first season on R-A. I made it to a rally, and it was well done. Not too shabby for the first time out!
Havir & Niday, great job!
You would need a Jeff Gordon-esque driver on swap to R-A to make it soar in popularity.
I do want to say 'great job' to all the crew members posting here for the first season on R-A. I made it to a rally, and it was well done. Not too shabby for the first time out!
Havir & Niday, great job!
| Pete 97 GS-T | 10-31-2005 06:45 PM |
[QUOTE=AlexP][SIZE=1]I hate that rule.....[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
It's a good rule.
It's a good rule.
| fliz | 10-31-2005 06:53 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Cliff's notes:
You would need a Jeff Gordon-esque driver on swap to R-A to make it soar in popularity.
I do want to say 'great job' to all the crew members posting here for the first season on R-A. I made it to a rally, and it was well done. Not too shabby for the first time out!
Havir & Niday, great job![/QUOTE]
Or a RA driver on swap in the IROC series. They had an Outlaw racer...why not Pat?
I like the OLN coverage, but watching I'm reminded how small rally is. There are only 2 or 3 drivers that are competing for the win in every event. As opposed to the other popular US motorsports, where any of 10 or 20 drivers have a shot at victory for any given race.
You would need a Jeff Gordon-esque driver on swap to R-A to make it soar in popularity.
I do want to say 'great job' to all the crew members posting here for the first season on R-A. I made it to a rally, and it was well done. Not too shabby for the first time out!
Havir & Niday, great job![/QUOTE]
Or a RA driver on swap in the IROC series. They had an Outlaw racer...why not Pat?
I like the OLN coverage, but watching I'm reminded how small rally is. There are only 2 or 3 drivers that are competing for the win in every event. As opposed to the other popular US motorsports, where any of 10 or 20 drivers have a shot at victory for any given race.
| 25rstautoxr | 10-31-2005 06:53 PM |
Im not adding to the debate.....
Ive only been to two Sno*Drifts as a spectator.
The last one was the best. I think Rally America did a fantastic job putting it on. It seemed much more organized. The Tivo is set to record on OLN.
Cant wait until January for the next one. Go Richard!!!
Ive only been to two Sno*Drifts as a spectator.
The last one was the best. I think Rally America did a fantastic job putting it on. It seemed much more organized. The Tivo is set to record on OLN.
Cant wait until January for the next one. Go Richard!!!
| fliz | 10-31-2005 06:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Pete 97 GS-T]It's a good rule.[/QUOTE]
It's a good rule...but I still don't like it.
It means I've got to buy a car I don't want to race for two years before I can race something I want to.
It's a good rule...but I still don't like it.
It means I've got to buy a car I don't want to race for two years before I can race something I want to.
| bjorn240 | 10-31-2005 07:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Im not throwing flames...just tryin to continue this sick debate.[/QUOTE]
Not much point in having a debate with someone whose mind is clearly made up.
Best of luck with your rally career! You've got time on your side.
- Christian
Not much point in having a debate with someone whose mind is clearly made up.
Best of luck with your rally career! You've got time on your side.
- Christian
| AlexP | 10-31-2005 08:31 PM |
[QUOTE=Pete 97 GS-T]It's a good rule.[/QUOTE]
Only in that it is a means to an end, which is [B]slowing down the less experienced for insurance reduction purposes[/B]. The very big negative being that people have to drive cars they can't stand. If somebody had told me my first racecar had to be a honda, neon, or vw (like 90% of all the roadracers out there), then OSB (other sports beckon).
Heres a crazy idea that the FIA, NASCAR, the SCCA, USAC, etc., even Rally America have been using for decades:
RESTRICTORS!
Easy to police! Cheap! Gain experience, get bigger restrictor! What is the ONLY drawback of a restrictor? SPEED (or lack there of). Isn't that the one and only desired result? Oh, there's always the crotchety nay-sayers to argue this and that about them (ie, me), but the fact is they work.
now off to scour the web for more pieces of MY future 2WD rally car (by choice)....
Only in that it is a means to an end, which is [B]slowing down the less experienced for insurance reduction purposes[/B]. The very big negative being that people have to drive cars they can't stand. If somebody had told me my first racecar had to be a honda, neon, or vw (like 90% of all the roadracers out there), then OSB (other sports beckon).
Heres a crazy idea that the FIA, NASCAR, the SCCA, USAC, etc., even Rally America have been using for decades:
RESTRICTORS!
Easy to police! Cheap! Gain experience, get bigger restrictor! What is the ONLY drawback of a restrictor? SPEED (or lack there of). Isn't that the one and only desired result? Oh, there's always the crotchety nay-sayers to argue this and that about them (ie, me), but the fact is they work.
now off to scour the web for more pieces of MY future 2WD rally car (by choice)....
| akuhner | 10-31-2005 09:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Matt, Im 15. :p
I did see all the people surrounding him in STPR and especially in MFR. Instead, I went for Pat's and Stig's autograph. [/QUOTE]
You realize you are not an average kid, right? If the sport only caters to people like you it won't grow, period. There is nothing to debate there, if you can't see that now you'll see that in a few years.
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Being brought up with rally in my blood and with future goals of becoming a rally driver, I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.[/QUOTE]
"Just because" is a pretty strong statement there, and I know you know it's wrong. Travis' populartiy played a huge part in his position today, as it will with any driver! But he is no slouch! If you are a stick in the mud nobody likes you will never ever be given a free ride. Even Grolnholm learned to talk to the cameras in order to increase his popularity. Like it or not, it's an important part of any sport.
And finally, once and for all:
[B]Neither Travis nor Ken were GIVEN a seat! They brought money! There was not a free seat sitting there open wating for a driver unless they had that money![/B] Hence, this arguement is completely pointless...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Alex :lol:
PS - The newbie must drive 2WD rule won't stop me from getting an AWD car, it just means I'll keep running NASA until RA lets me in... now if I can only find a car I can afford!
I did see all the people surrounding him in STPR and especially in MFR. Instead, I went for Pat's and Stig's autograph. [/QUOTE]
You realize you are not an average kid, right? If the sport only caters to people like you it won't grow, period. There is nothing to debate there, if you can't see that now you'll see that in a few years.
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Being brought up with rally in my blood and with future goals of becoming a rally driver, I do not think that someone should start out in a sweet seat in a truely professional prepared car just because of popularity.[/QUOTE]
"Just because" is a pretty strong statement there, and I know you know it's wrong. Travis' populartiy played a huge part in his position today, as it will with any driver! But he is no slouch! If you are a stick in the mud nobody likes you will never ever be given a free ride. Even Grolnholm learned to talk to the cameras in order to increase his popularity. Like it or not, it's an important part of any sport.
And finally, once and for all:
[B]Neither Travis nor Ken were GIVEN a seat! They brought money! There was not a free seat sitting there open wating for a driver unless they had that money![/B] Hence, this arguement is completely pointless...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Alex :lol:
PS - The newbie must drive 2WD rule won't stop me from getting an AWD car, it just means I'll keep running NASA until RA lets me in... now if I can only find a car I can afford!
| Tensen | 11-01-2005 10:28 AM |
amazing how an "obscure" sport like US rally gets mighty controvertial in the offseason :)
and Pat, just to clairify my earlier comments, I wasnt referring to you....and congrats on a fantastic season :)
and Pat, just to clairify my earlier comments, I wasnt referring to you....and congrats on a fantastic season :)
| Rallycarperson | 11-01-2005 12:57 PM |
Alright Alex you win.
...for once. :p
~Mark
...for once. :p
~Mark
| XenoWolf | 11-01-2005 05:33 PM |
I'll insert my two cents considering I was one of the 'outsiders' who really didn't know much about the sport until this year:
I've loved rally since I was a wee lad, but never really got too into it because there was no mainstream coverage after Speedvision fell off the face of the Earth. I read in Car and Driver last winter that the SCCA had dropped its Pro Rally program, which kind of made me upset since I was finally getting to the point (age wise and financially) that I could start going to rallies and get more into the sport. Then early this year after reading some NASIOC threads I found out about Rally America and the STPR. I decided that I'd check it out, and did as much research on the series and event as I could. I ended up reading the name 'Travis Pastrana' and did a double take. I thought to myself 'woah, THE Travis Pastrana?', and sure enough it was. I most likely glanced over the names Stig Blomqvist and Paul Choiniere not having a damn clue who they were. I was excited to see Travis..
I ended up going to this years STPR and had the time of my life, and have since learned ALOT about the sport, and have become a huge supporter. Point being that if there wasn't such a 'recognizable' driver, I may have decided it wasn't worth the effort to go watch a bunch of people with wierd names slide through the Tioga county woods. Now I know better, and I recognize who these people are and thier history in the sport. I'm now a bigger fan of people like Stig and Pat than I am anyone else, but Travis is the one who stirred my curiosity into coming to an event.
Just my story, read into it as you will... but I personally think having someone like Travis (and the lesser known Block) in the sport is definately a positive. If it wasn't for them I may have just kept looking the other way, as I'm sure plenty of people have do to them not having any sort of connection with the drivers.
Those who went to an event this year will see what I mean... kids kept SWARMING Travis at the STPR Parc Expose. This is good, and healthy for the future of the sport.
[EDIT] This also re-sparked my interest in WRC, and ever since the STPR I don't think I've missed a single event. I go so far as to just sit staring at wrc.com waiting to see the results updated (WRC+ is too expensive at the moment :( )
I've loved rally since I was a wee lad, but never really got too into it because there was no mainstream coverage after Speedvision fell off the face of the Earth. I read in Car and Driver last winter that the SCCA had dropped its Pro Rally program, which kind of made me upset since I was finally getting to the point (age wise and financially) that I could start going to rallies and get more into the sport. Then early this year after reading some NASIOC threads I found out about Rally America and the STPR. I decided that I'd check it out, and did as much research on the series and event as I could. I ended up reading the name 'Travis Pastrana' and did a double take. I thought to myself 'woah, THE Travis Pastrana?', and sure enough it was. I most likely glanced over the names Stig Blomqvist and Paul Choiniere not having a damn clue who they were. I was excited to see Travis..
I ended up going to this years STPR and had the time of my life, and have since learned ALOT about the sport, and have become a huge supporter. Point being that if there wasn't such a 'recognizable' driver, I may have decided it wasn't worth the effort to go watch a bunch of people with wierd names slide through the Tioga county woods. Now I know better, and I recognize who these people are and thier history in the sport. I'm now a bigger fan of people like Stig and Pat than I am anyone else, but Travis is the one who stirred my curiosity into coming to an event.
Just my story, read into it as you will... but I personally think having someone like Travis (and the lesser known Block) in the sport is definately a positive. If it wasn't for them I may have just kept looking the other way, as I'm sure plenty of people have do to them not having any sort of connection with the drivers.
Those who went to an event this year will see what I mean... kids kept SWARMING Travis at the STPR Parc Expose. This is good, and healthy for the future of the sport.
[EDIT] This also re-sparked my interest in WRC, and ever since the STPR I don't think I've missed a single event. I go so far as to just sit staring at wrc.com waiting to see the results updated (WRC+ is too expensive at the moment :( )
| Pete 97 GS-T | 11-02-2005 05:24 AM |
[QUOTE=AlexP]Only in that it is a means to an end, which is [B]slowing down the less experienced for insurance reduction purposes[/B]. The very big negative being that people have to drive cars they can't stand. If somebody had told me my first racecar had to be a honda, neon, or vw (like 90% of all the roadracers out there), then OSB (other sports beckon).
Heres a crazy idea that the FIA, NASCAR, the SCCA, USAC, etc., even Rally America have been using for decades:
RESTRICTORS!
Easy to police! Cheap! Gain experience, get bigger restrictor! What is the ONLY drawback of a restrictor? SPEED (or lack there of). Isn't that the one and only desired result? Oh, there's always the crotchety nay-sayers to argue this and that about them (ie, me), but the fact is they work.
now off to scour the web for more pieces of MY future 2WD rally car (by choice)....[/QUOTE]
That's OK though. If the 2wd car is too slow, nothing should break and you shouldn't crash, so the car should not get damaged and should have decent resale value when you are ready and approved for AWD.
Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
Heres a crazy idea that the FIA, NASCAR, the SCCA, USAC, etc., even Rally America have been using for decades:
RESTRICTORS!
Easy to police! Cheap! Gain experience, get bigger restrictor! What is the ONLY drawback of a restrictor? SPEED (or lack there of). Isn't that the one and only desired result? Oh, there's always the crotchety nay-sayers to argue this and that about them (ie, me), but the fact is they work.
now off to scour the web for more pieces of MY future 2WD rally car (by choice)....[/QUOTE]
That's OK though. If the 2wd car is too slow, nothing should break and you shouldn't crash, so the car should not get damaged and should have decent resale value when you are ready and approved for AWD.
Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
| JC_595 | 11-02-2005 09:50 AM |
we are going back to 2wd. awd is too expensive for us, even with the contingency money. Huge thank you to Subaru, but it is still out of my reach as a privateer with a family.
Now we will be building GNI chassis #003 in the hopes that this less expensive weapon will be cool enough to have fun keeping up with the high-mid-pack awd cars while being more cost effective. About where we are now with the PGt car in start order. If it does, I will be happy. 70-90 mph thru the woods is damn fast, and if I can do it without worrying about damaging the car- it'll be a freeggin HOOT!
C ya all on the stages!
JC
Now we will be building GNI chassis #003 in the hopes that this less expensive weapon will be cool enough to have fun keeping up with the high-mid-pack awd cars while being more cost effective. About where we are now with the PGt car in start order. If it does, I will be happy. 70-90 mph thru the woods is damn fast, and if I can do it without worrying about damaging the car- it'll be a freeggin HOOT!
C ya all on the stages!
JC
| sube151 | 11-02-2005 06:59 PM |
Big names always help bring attention to a sport. Its hard for Privateers to
make big names unless you are plain rich. Every rally has so many drivers/co-drivers who have amazing amounts of potential....potential that would grow with more cash. Many privateers try to make the big name, but
dump wads of cash and usually end up rolling their cars a couple of times to keep up with the well funded teams.
I feel more big company interest would be better than what names are at a rally. Nascar seems to do well because the can advertise with 20,000 people
all packed in a silly round staduim.
On a side note though, the average NA rally competitor can really party
well after a rally. Have any of you had andy 160 proof stroh lately? :banana:
-Vic
P.s- My group N cars eats $$ for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Where did that small fortune go....??? :p
make big names unless you are plain rich. Every rally has so many drivers/co-drivers who have amazing amounts of potential....potential that would grow with more cash. Many privateers try to make the big name, but
dump wads of cash and usually end up rolling their cars a couple of times to keep up with the well funded teams.
I feel more big company interest would be better than what names are at a rally. Nascar seems to do well because the can advertise with 20,000 people
all packed in a silly round staduim.
On a side note though, the average NA rally competitor can really party
well after a rally. Have any of you had andy 160 proof stroh lately? :banana:
-Vic
P.s- My group N cars eats $$ for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Where did that small fortune go....??? :p
| AlexP | 11-02-2005 07:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Pete 97 GS-T]That's OK though. If the 2wd car is too slow, nothing should break and you shouldn't crash, so the car should not get damaged and should have decent resale value when you are ready and approved for AWD.
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Yeah. Sure. Hold on, forgot to turn of the engine off on my flying car. I was using it today to haul WMD's out of Iraq, with my friends Anna Kournikova and Jessica Simpson....
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:lol:
Yeah. Sure. Hold on, forgot to turn of the engine off on my flying car. I was using it today to haul WMD's out of Iraq, with my friends Anna Kournikova and Jessica Simpson....
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