| Snoring Dog | 03-11-2004 11:05 PM |
Falkens or Kumhos?
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Autox and tire noob on stock 16's asking for advice here. I've done many many searches, but can't really decide. One tire was plugged due to a puncture, so I want to replace all four to be safe during events.
Basically, I'm planning on doing a couple of autox's this season on the daily driver. When I'm not out getting the slowest times of the day, I'm using the car for 95% urban driving (based in pot-hole capital of the country), and plan on using the same tires all-season. Thus I'm thinking about the Kumho Ecsta ASX, or the Falken Ziex's. (Am I completely off here?)
Also, what size should I go for?
All help greatly appreciated.
Basically, I'm planning on doing a couple of autox's this season on the daily driver. When I'm not out getting the slowest times of the day, I'm using the car for 95% urban driving (based in pot-hole capital of the country), and plan on using the same tires all-season. Thus I'm thinking about the Kumho Ecsta ASX, or the Falken Ziex's. (Am I completely off here?)
Also, what size should I go for?
All help greatly appreciated.
| leecea | 03-12-2004 07:49 AM |
I don't think the brand or size of all season tire is going to make much difference for a couple of autoxs per year. I'd suggest picking the one that best suits your daily driving habits and expectations, then just have fun at the autoxs.
| subieworx | 03-12-2004 10:18 AM |
THe falken Ziex 512's are a good all season with decent grip. My girlfriend has them on her 03 Tiburon; I have found them to be good in all conditions. They are not the most aggressive tire for track use, but will do much better than the stock tires.
| DrBiggly | 03-12-2004 10:31 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by leecea[/i]
[B] I don't think the brand or size of all season tire is going to make much difference for a couple of autoxs per year. I'd suggest picking the one that best suits your daily driving habits and expectations, then just have fun at the autoxs. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree; until you get more serious about autox, don't let that dictate your tire choice. :)
#29 H-stock
14" Azenis fiend
[B] I don't think the brand or size of all season tire is going to make much difference for a couple of autoxs per year. I'd suggest picking the one that best suits your daily driving habits and expectations, then just have fun at the autoxs. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree; until you get more serious about autox, don't let that dictate your tire choice. :)
#29 H-stock
14" Azenis fiend
| Rebellion | 03-12-2004 10:57 AM |
the ziex's ride well and handle well but I wouldn't depend on them for great auto-x tires. treadlife should be pretty good though. I've got 12k miles on my wagon on ziex's and aside from an alignment problem, they've got lots of tread depth.
| jmott | 03-12-2004 11:15 AM |
Get the Kumho MX. Serious autocrossers are still debating weather the MX or the Falken Azenis is 'the best', but the MX is going to be more hydroplane resistant and more pleasant as a daily driver.
| DrBiggly | 03-12-2004 11:48 AM |
I don't know about autoxing on the MX but as a daily driver tire they are pretty good. I'm siding with jmott here, they will be more agreeable as a daily driven tire than the Azenis. :)
| Hawk296 | 03-12-2004 01:03 PM |
I love my MXs. Excellent tire, easier to live with everyday than an Azeni,, great in the rain too. However it looks like your thinking more all season. I would NOT reccomend the MX for snow or off roading mud or anything. I use mine as dedicated summer tires and they are completely awesome at that. On the track they run just as well as the Azeni equipped vehicles although the siewall seems softer than an azeni.
For the price, I do not think there is a better deal than Kuhmo.
For the price, I do not think there is a better deal than Kuhmo.
| Fred | 03-12-2004 01:05 PM |
Wow - I dropped in here thinking I was about to see Azenis vs. MX for the millionth time. Thanks for the refreshing change of subject! :lol:
Just get a set of used RE92's and go abuse them. Once you learn how to control the car on those, go get some real tires. (anything lower than a Max Performance tire sucks bigtime for autox :rolleyes: )
Just get a set of used RE92's and go abuse them. Once you learn how to control the car on those, go get some real tires. (anything lower than a Max Performance tire sucks bigtime for autox :rolleyes: )
| jmott | 03-12-2004 02:00 PM |
I'll just reiterate my stock saying about how I don't think you can learn much about car control on tires that flop onto their sidewall and start hopping before they get near the limit of adhesion =)
funk re92s!
hehe
funk re92s!
hehe
| afpdl | 03-12-2004 04:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott[/i]
[B] I'll just reiterate my stock saying about how I don't think you can learn much about car control on tires that flop onto their sidewall and start hopping before they get near the limit of adhesion =)
funk re92s!
hehe [/B][/QUOTE]
I disagree
:p
[B] I'll just reiterate my stock saying about how I don't think you can learn much about car control on tires that flop onto their sidewall and start hopping before they get near the limit of adhesion =)
funk re92s!
hehe [/B][/QUOTE]
I disagree
:p
| SMiLEY | 03-12-2004 04:56 PM |
jmott, I totally agree with you!
| TyrannoSullyRex | 03-12-2004 05:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl[/i]
[B] I disagree
:p [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree that you disagree
[B] I disagree
:p [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree that you disagree
| mofugga | 03-12-2004 06:37 PM |
don't let a plug scare you into buying new tires! i autox'ed all last season on a plugged azenis, if it is plugged properly it should be fine!
| Fred | 03-12-2004 07:25 PM |
Sorry - I didn't see the part about the plug. In that case, get the tire patched from the inside. I did that with a 225/45/17 Azenis last year. It cost me about $10, I think.
And RE92's don't flop onto their sidewall if you inflate them to 50psi. I know from experience. They do help you "drift" the course pretty well, though. :) Also, it's fun to beat guys with Azeni and fully setup STS suspensions while you're on RE92's and stock suspension plus a 20mm rear sway bar. Again, I know from experience. ;)
Kevin
- who believes that car control can be learned in a 1980 Chevette with "Pepboys special" tires... just at a much slower speed.
And RE92's don't flop onto their sidewall if you inflate them to 50psi. I know from experience. They do help you "drift" the course pretty well, though. :) Also, it's fun to beat guys with Azeni and fully setup STS suspensions while you're on RE92's and stock suspension plus a 20mm rear sway bar. Again, I know from experience. ;)
Kevin
- who believes that car control can be learned in a 1980 Chevette with "Pepboys special" tires... just at a much slower speed.
| Hawk296 | 03-12-2004 08:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]- who believes that car control can be learned in a 1980 Chevette with "Pepboys special" tires... just at a much slower speed. [/B][/QUOTE]
I very much agree
I very much agree
| nate49509 | 03-14-2004 11:23 PM |
You'll never learn anything on RE-92's. Except how much more fun an auto-x can be with a good set of tires.
| Fred | 03-14-2004 11:47 PM |
Why don't we carry that line of reasoning a step further and say "You'll never learn anything in a Subaru, other than how much more fun autox would be in a Boxster S."
:rolleyes:
Dude, forget about the tires. Just sell your car and go get something that's worth driving!
:lol:
:rolleyes:
Dude, forget about the tires. Just sell your car and go get something that's worth driving!
:lol:
| sirfrankwilliams | 03-15-2004 12:03 AM |
I bombed [squealed] around on RE92s for 16 events before moving onto some Azenis 215/45. Its true that you'll really appreciate the Azenis once you get them, but its also true that you can learn about your car and skills while you're still on the RE92s (@50psi). :)
| MK19_ | 03-15-2004 12:26 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nate49509[/i]
[B] You'll never learn anything on RE-92's. Except how much more fun an auto-x can be with a good set of tires. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have to admit, here I disagree. I ran my first season on 92's and they totally show you where you are over driving the car. My next season was on SO3's and I feel running on 92's helped me out a lot, but- then again, it was my first year and I had a lot to learn.
[B] You'll never learn anything on RE-92's. Except how much more fun an auto-x can be with a good set of tires. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have to admit, here I disagree. I ran my first season on 92's and they totally show you where you are over driving the car. My next season was on SO3's and I feel running on 92's helped me out a lot, but- then again, it was my first year and I had a lot to learn.
| nate49509 | 03-15-2004 02:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred [/i]
[B]Why don't we carry that line of reasoning a step further and say "You'll never learn anything in a Subaru, other than how much more fun autox would be in a Boxster S."
:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Well having driven a Boxster S at an auto-x once I can say its one of the best handling, most balanced cars I've ever driven. But I love my subie.I learned a lot more about car control when I was able to stop worring about the tires rolling over and playing dead. Some people like RE-92's. I think there only good for tire swings.
[B]Why don't we carry that line of reasoning a step further and say "You'll never learn anything in a Subaru, other than how much more fun autox would be in a Boxster S."
:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Well having driven a Boxster S at an auto-x once I can say its one of the best handling, most balanced cars I've ever driven. But I love my subie.I learned a lot more about car control when I was able to stop worring about the tires rolling over and playing dead. Some people like RE-92's. I think there only good for tire swings.
| Snoring Dog | 03-15-2004 11:06 AM |
Thanks for all the responses.
I agree with all those who suggested I stay on the RE92s for a little while longer - in fact, that was my plan, until I had to plug one of the tires. In another posting I was warned of the dangers of driving with a plugged tire, so decided to buy a new set.
Having said all of this, what size should I go with?
I agree with all those who suggested I stay on the RE92s for a little while longer - in fact, that was my plan, until I had to plug one of the tires. In another posting I was warned of the dangers of driving with a plugged tire, so decided to buy a new set.
Having said all of this, what size should I go with?
| jmott | 03-15-2004 11:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hawk296 [/i]
[B]I very much agree [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree as well.
pepboys tires probably don't flop onto their sidewall that bad =)
[B]I very much agree [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree as well.
pepboys tires probably don't flop onto their sidewall that bad =)
| ElGranBan� | 03-15-2004 07:54 PM |
I've got some 215/45 Azenis which make the overall diameter smaller. I like the smaller size since it helps the acceleration and that damned turbo lag.
:)
:)
| hoche | 03-16-2004 02:29 AM |
I run my Miata on Azenis. They're a great street tire - about as sticky as you can get without going to an R-compound. They're also really cheap, which is nice when you toast tires because of a radical camber. :) They are, however REALLY LOUD!
For a good M+S rated tire that sticks ok and handles decently, I recommend BF Goodrich KDWS's. They're much better than RE92s, albeit somewhat expensive. I run those on my OBS. I've tracked them, but where they really shine is in rallycrossing.
For a good M+S rated tire that sticks ok and handles decently, I recommend BF Goodrich KDWS's. They're much better than RE92s, albeit somewhat expensive. I run those on my OBS. I've tracked them, but where they really shine is in rallycrossing.
| nunyo | 03-16-2004 08:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred[/i]
[B] And RE92's don't flop onto their sidewall if you inflate them to 50psi. I know from experience. They do help you "drift" the course pretty well, though. :) Also, it's fun to beat guys with Azeni and fully setup STS suspensions while you're on RE92's and stock suspension plus a 20mm rear sway bar. Again, I know from experience. ;)
[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm happy to say that I too have done this. The RE92's are actually quite good for teaching yourself to drive at the limits, this is because the limit is easier to reach. They also wear like iron, so you can get plenty of autocross runs on em before they're toast.
The Azenis Sport is a fantastic tire, but down here in the Florida heat, it gets pretty greasy after a coupla runs (at the last event after each of my last two runs the front tires were too hot to touch). I hear that the MX get better with heat, so I think that'll be my next tire after I destroy the Azenis.
As for the Ziex vs. the ASX, I'd seriously consider buying another set of wheels with RE92's on them. You can pick up WRX wheels used pretty cheap and even find decent deals on the 16 x 7 gc8 chassis wheels from time to time. At any rate for about the price of a new set of tires you can have another set of wheels and a set of usable used tires. Then run whatever on the street and use the RE92's at autocross til they're dead, then get Azenis or MX's for your autocross tires.
As Mofugga stated, you probably have little to be worried about concerning running on a plugged tire. I've run plugged tires for events before and even had a few up to super legal speeds (let's just say it was faster than many people ever drive their cars their entire life) on empty stretches of highway, all without incident.
[B] And RE92's don't flop onto their sidewall if you inflate them to 50psi. I know from experience. They do help you "drift" the course pretty well, though. :) Also, it's fun to beat guys with Azeni and fully setup STS suspensions while you're on RE92's and stock suspension plus a 20mm rear sway bar. Again, I know from experience. ;)
[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm happy to say that I too have done this. The RE92's are actually quite good for teaching yourself to drive at the limits, this is because the limit is easier to reach. They also wear like iron, so you can get plenty of autocross runs on em before they're toast.
The Azenis Sport is a fantastic tire, but down here in the Florida heat, it gets pretty greasy after a coupla runs (at the last event after each of my last two runs the front tires were too hot to touch). I hear that the MX get better with heat, so I think that'll be my next tire after I destroy the Azenis.
As for the Ziex vs. the ASX, I'd seriously consider buying another set of wheels with RE92's on them. You can pick up WRX wheels used pretty cheap and even find decent deals on the 16 x 7 gc8 chassis wheels from time to time. At any rate for about the price of a new set of tires you can have another set of wheels and a set of usable used tires. Then run whatever on the street and use the RE92's at autocross til they're dead, then get Azenis or MX's for your autocross tires.
As Mofugga stated, you probably have little to be worried about concerning running on a plugged tire. I've run plugged tires for events before and even had a few up to super legal speeds (let's just say it was faster than many people ever drive their cars their entire life) on empty stretches of highway, all without incident.
| afpdl | 03-16-2004 09:20 PM |
Re92s wear like iron? I corded one set in 12k miles and went through another half tread in 6kmiles. My Re070s are barely wearing any faster with just about as many autoxs on them.
| nunyo | 03-17-2004 03:58 PM |
Your mileage may vary I guess. I autocrossed a set of well worn RE92s for all of last summer (probably 30-40 runs on 50 second courses). When I finally got rid of them it was because I really wanted something stickier, they still had usable tread.
| buraddo | 04-08-2004 08:39 PM |
I ran a set of Dunlop SP5000s (stock size) all last season in G-stock. They do quite well. Nothing else to compare them to though. And they require pretty high pressure if you over drive as much as I do. My best times always came on the laps that felt the slowest.
| speedyHAM | 04-09-2004 03:53 PM |
I agree with buraddo- Get a set of Dunlop SP5000 sports. They wear really well, low on noise, great all season tires, and pretty decent grip as well. Best all season tire I've ever tried.
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