| ninrex | 02-05-2002 09:36 AM |
Why are pugs so loud?
I see people make comments on this all the time, but I've not seen any explanation. It sounds like the turbo, but it is so much louder than the other cars. Anyone know why?
| Ajax77 | 02-05-2002 09:51 AM |
Well, due to the way pugs have been bred, they inherit many flaws in their sinuses, which lead to them having breathing problems. Thus, they constantly make little grunting and huffing noises, which can be rather annoying to a non-pug owner.
Personally, it's due to the pug's respiratory problems, that I would never own one. I prefer my all-too-perfect APBT.
Oh, wait. You meant Peugot. Sorry, I can't really help you there.
- Ajax.
Personally, it's due to the pug's respiratory problems, that I would never own one. I prefer my all-too-perfect APBT.
Oh, wait. You meant Peugot. Sorry, I can't really help you there.
- Ajax.
| ninrex | 02-05-2002 09:57 AM |
I should've known better. I was just setting myself up.
| grimlock | 02-05-2002 11:37 AM |
If you're talking about the in-car whine, it's the fact that they either have the recording equipment grounded poorly or the engine electronics don't have enough shielding. This lets alternator/ignition system noise into the audio.
Ross N.
Ross N.
| XT6Wagon | 02-05-2002 01:58 PM |
Hmm, thats strange My Pugs don't make alot of noise....
Of course Pugs is the nickname for the Pegeot 505 rims because they are the only common 14" and 15" rims that fit the 4 lug subarus. So on a site for 70's and 80's subarus you will see more than a few posts about getting pugs, or what tires should I get for car X on a set of 15" Pugs.
Of course Pugs is the nickname for the Pegeot 505 rims because they are the only common 14" and 15" rims that fit the 4 lug subarus. So on a site for 70's and 80's subarus you will see more than a few posts about getting pugs, or what tires should I get for car X on a set of 15" Pugs.
| ninrex | 02-05-2002 02:14 PM |
Okay okay, let me rephrase. Does anybody know why the Peugot 206 WRC rally cars make such a loud whistling sound? Not really an electrical whining sound, but more of an airy, whistling sound.
| ColinL | 02-05-2002 02:38 PM |
actually I was about to agree with Ross. sounds like inducted or radiated noise to me!
| touch | 02-05-2002 04:50 PM |
My first dog was a pug. His name was Mugsy. He liked beer.
| johnfelstead | 02-05-2002 05:05 PM |
They arent any louder than any other WRC car.
All the cars have slightly diferent sounds though due to the type of waste gate they use and the location of the turbo.
All the cars have slightly diferent sounds though due to the type of waste gate they use and the location of the turbo.
| ninrex | 02-05-2002 06:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]They arent any louder than any other WRC car.
All the cars have slightly diferent sounds though due to the type of waste gate they use and the location of the turbo. [/B][/QUOTE]
John,
I don't know if you get SpeedVision in the UK, I'm assuming not, but when they show in-car footage of any WRC Peugot 206, there is a VERY distinctive whistling/whining sound. Some people have even gone as far as to say that they hate watching when a Peugot is on because they don't like the sound. To me, it sounds like a turbo spooling, just much louder than any of the other cars. But as some people have said, it might simply be a grounding problem with the mics in the car, which might be more reasonable since you've actually been right up next to the cars and haven't noticed this noise.
-Dave
[B]They arent any louder than any other WRC car.
All the cars have slightly diferent sounds though due to the type of waste gate they use and the location of the turbo. [/B][/QUOTE]
John,
I don't know if you get SpeedVision in the UK, I'm assuming not, but when they show in-car footage of any WRC Peugot 206, there is a VERY distinctive whistling/whining sound. Some people have even gone as far as to say that they hate watching when a Peugot is on because they don't like the sound. To me, it sounds like a turbo spooling, just much louder than any of the other cars. But as some people have said, it might simply be a grounding problem with the mics in the car, which might be more reasonable since you've actually been right up next to the cars and haven't noticed this noise.
-Dave
| johnfelstead | 02-05-2002 08:57 PM |
It's most likely the XTrack gearbox you are hearing. The ford and Pug use an Xtrack box that is very similar in design. These use straight cut gears that generate a lot of high pitch noise, the pitch increases with the speed, it isnt just revs related like you get with EMF issues.
The big thing about the pug is how compact it is, i would think the gearbox (which is a longitudinal box that sits between the driver/co-driver in the centre tunel) is further into the centre of the car than any other due to its design. This would put the box in an area that would be more picked up by the onboard i would think.
Have a listen again, if the noise is going up and down with the revs as they change gear its EMF, if its a constantly increasing whine with the speed increase its the gearbox!
Let me know. :D
The big thing about the pug is how compact it is, i would think the gearbox (which is a longitudinal box that sits between the driver/co-driver in the centre tunel) is further into the centre of the car than any other due to its design. This would put the box in an area that would be more picked up by the onboard i would think.
Have a listen again, if the noise is going up and down with the revs as they change gear its EMF, if its a constantly increasing whine with the speed increase its the gearbox!
Let me know. :D
| ninrex | 02-05-2002 10:34 PM |
I'm trying to find some in-car audio. The best I can find so far is this:[URL=http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/Gallery/Video/2002MCburnsSS1crash.wmv.htm]Burns crashes in Monte[/URL]
It sounds really different here though. This sounds more like the gearbox, just as John mentioned. You can hear the whine increase in pitch even when Burns changes gears and the revs change. I'm thinking maybe this is the sound, but that SpeedVision processes the audio differently or uses a completely different microphone, so it sounds different.
It sounds really different here though. This sounds more like the gearbox, just as John mentioned. You can hear the whine increase in pitch even when Burns changes gears and the revs change. I'm thinking maybe this is the sound, but that SpeedVision processes the audio differently or uses a completely different microphone, so it sounds different.
| DonA | 02-06-2002 09:19 AM |
It's most likely a combo of induced and gearbox noise.
Ask Marcus next time ;)
Ask Marcus next time ;)
| meebs | 02-06-2002 11:59 PM |
if you are talking about the sound on the incar shots... It sounds like a slide whistle, it is like was said earlier... poorly grounded mics and/or unshielded electronics.
**Ninerex, Speedvision WRC coverage, is not made for Speedvision. I'm assuming it's what the UK has always had. ©BBC
**Ninerex, Speedvision WRC coverage, is not made for Speedvision. I'm assuming it's what the UK has always had. ©BBC
| 2WDrift | 02-12-2002 11:58 PM |
Gronholm Pug vids
[url]www.mgr.fi/images_video_fs.html[/url]
Gary
Gary
| travmn | 02-13-2002 02:23 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by touch [/i]
[B]My first dog was a pug. His name was Mugsy. He liked beer. [/B][/QUOTE]
hey, so does my dog! actually, my dog is a booze-hound. she will just sit and stare at me when i drink. she willingly takes any amount of alcohol given (and behaves very well too). of course, she isn't a pug so i guess this doesn't help :lol:
[B]My first dog was a pug. His name was Mugsy. He liked beer. [/B][/QUOTE]
hey, so does my dog! actually, my dog is a booze-hound. she will just sit and stare at me when i drink. she willingly takes any amount of alcohol given (and behaves very well too). of course, she isn't a pug so i guess this doesn't help :lol:
| motorob | 02-13-2002 11:14 AM |
Sure sounds like electrical noise to me, it's engine speed-dependent, not road speed.
| SoobATV | 02-13-2002 12:54 PM |
I had a friend in high school who had a pug... her name was Zoe. If you got her running really fast, she'd stop very suddenly, throw up, and keep running.
^has nothing to do with topic, I know:D
^has nothing to do with topic, I know:D
| ninrex | 03-03-2002 11:22 PM |
Alright, I'm watching the replay coverage of the Sweden rally right now. The whistling sound is definitely rpm dependent. It doesn't sound like electrical noise to me at all. I don't think broadcasters would settle for such crappy recording equipment. If there were a bad ground in every pug, somebody would be getting their arse chewed out. Maybe their turbo just whistles that loud? :confused:
| SoobATV | 03-04-2002 04:08 AM |
I imagine that some of the engine electronics' currents coincide with the recording equipment. If I turn on the blacklight in my bedroom, every speaker in the place makes a popping sound. It's all a matter of frequency, methinks.
| Gary (gg) | 03-04-2002 12:00 PM |
Touch, my parents have a female pug named Mugsi. However, I don't condone giving canines alcoholic beverages.
| toerag | 03-04-2002 08:03 PM |
My friend's pug walks round with it's tongue dragging on the ground. It even eats with it's tongue hanging out. I like pulling it to see how long it is!
| ninrex | 03-04-2002 09:57 PM |
I think pugs are the ugliest little dogs. Hey wait a minute, I'm hijacking my own thread. :D
| WizardBlackWRX | 03-05-2002 11:30 AM |
I think the whistling is the roof scoop. It is probably dialed down some and thus makes a whistle kinda like the one you hear on some airline personal adjustable vents. Look at the blue subie at the top of this page. See the scoop on the roof?
| ninrex | 03-05-2002 01:20 PM |
No, it's definitely not the roof scoop since it's rpm dependent. You can hear it increase in pitch when the wheels leave the ground for example.
| ColinL | 03-05-2002 03:36 PM |
if you've ever had a grounding or shielding problem in a car with an aftermarket stereo, particularly one with amplifiers, you would hear something that sounds a LOT like the this mysterious Peugot sound.
inducted noise is absolutely RPM dependant, it's cos of the alternator.
inducted noise is absolutely RPM dependant, it's cos of the alternator.
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