| nxwrxfx | 09-05-2006 09:19 PM |
Need Advice On A Skidplate!
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Hey everyone,
So I just got my car back from the shop and I opted to ditch my front sub-frame for weight reduction purposes.
This means that I no longer have the factory plastic splashguard.
I want to get or make a new aluminum skidplate....
Here's my dilemma....
Since I dropped the front subframe will the Primitive skidplates connect to where the subframe is supposed to be? Or do you know of any companies that sell skid plates for ppl like me that've dropped their front subframe.
The only other question I have is how far back the skidplates go (from front to back) because I have a Tanabe Sustec chassis underbrace that I had to install because my Cusco chassis brace unit wouldn't fit correctly since I removed the subframe.
Thanks in advance for your help!
So I just got my car back from the shop and I opted to ditch my front sub-frame for weight reduction purposes.
This means that I no longer have the factory plastic splashguard.
I want to get or make a new aluminum skidplate....
Here's my dilemma....
Since I dropped the front subframe will the Primitive skidplates connect to where the subframe is supposed to be? Or do you know of any companies that sell skid plates for ppl like me that've dropped their front subframe.
The only other question I have is how far back the skidplates go (from front to back) because I have a Tanabe Sustec chassis underbrace that I had to install because my Cusco chassis brace unit wouldn't fit correctly since I removed the subframe.
Thanks in advance for your help!
| Subie Gal | 09-05-2006 11:51 PM |
why not email Primitive and ask them specifically?
they'd know better than any of us :)
they'd know better than any of us :)
| bflowrx | 09-05-2006 11:59 PM |
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pauls products are great, keep in mind his product is intended for the weekend warrior and not to put his product down becouse there is nothing bad about him at all.great guy baought a few plates from him and some used parts .Solid parts solid company
| Psydotek | 09-06-2006 12:22 AM |
I believe the Primitive racing skidplate mounts the same as the Rallyarmor plate so without a subframe it may not work... You can probably call them up (or e-mail them) and they should be able to drill mounting holes in the skidplate for use without a subframe. Then all that would be needed would be some spacers to make sure the plate remains far enough from the bottom of the engine (my skidplate with subframe is pretty darned close to the oil filter).
However, my skidplate does fit with my Tanabe Undercar brace. When i ordered it from rallyarmor i had them bend up the rear 2" of the plate to make sure it would clear the brace, but without the bend it would still fit from what i can tell (it would just bearly slip over the brace).
Here's my pics (sorry they're huge):
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/psydotek/P1010002.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/psydotek/P1010003.jpg[/IMG]
However, my skidplate does fit with my Tanabe Undercar brace. When i ordered it from rallyarmor i had them bend up the rear 2" of the plate to make sure it would clear the brace, but without the bend it would still fit from what i can tell (it would just bearly slip over the brace).
Here's my pics (sorry they're huge):
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/psydotek/P1010002.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/psydotek/P1010003.jpg[/IMG]
| nxwrxfx | 09-06-2006 12:37 AM |
Psydotek you rock!!!
Those pics are definitely worth a thousand words and already clear up a TON of questions that I had previously.
I think I'm going to e-mail both Rally Armor and Primitive tomorrow to see what I'll have to do to mount the plate. I noticed that I found two threaded holes in the front by the radiator mounts that go into the frame.
Hopefully I can use these holes to mount the front half of the skid plate, and secure the rear of the skidplate as you normally would.
EDIT:
After reviewing your pics I think I can make this work. Right in front of the RallyArmor.com logo on your skidplate are the two threaded holes that I am talking about (Where those silver bolts are in front of the logo). I wonder if RallyArmor could extend my plate on the front by 2-3 inches so that I could use those two holes to mount the front of the skid plate.
We'll find out...
Thanks again for the pics!
Those pics are definitely worth a thousand words and already clear up a TON of questions that I had previously.
I think I'm going to e-mail both Rally Armor and Primitive tomorrow to see what I'll have to do to mount the plate. I noticed that I found two threaded holes in the front by the radiator mounts that go into the frame.
Hopefully I can use these holes to mount the front half of the skid plate, and secure the rear of the skidplate as you normally would.
EDIT:
After reviewing your pics I think I can make this work. Right in front of the RallyArmor.com logo on your skidplate are the two threaded holes that I am talking about (Where those silver bolts are in front of the logo). I wonder if RallyArmor could extend my plate on the front by 2-3 inches so that I could use those two holes to mount the front of the skid plate.
We'll find out...
Thanks again for the pics!
| Subie Gal | 09-06-2006 09:44 AM |
IIRC Primitive uses the front 2 holes + the holes in your jacking plate
case in point, my RS does not have a sub frame
yet I used to have a primitive racing skid plate on it ;)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
case in point, my RS does not have a sub frame
yet I used to have a primitive racing skid plate on it ;)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| nxwrxfx | 09-06-2006 11:31 AM |
Awesome.
In that case looks like I'll be going with Primitive after all.
Thanks again Jamie!
You're always so helpful. :)
In that case looks like I'll be going with Primitive after all.
Thanks again Jamie!
You're always so helpful. :)
| Costas | 09-06-2006 11:36 AM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal;15145840]IIRC Primitive uses the front 2 holes + the holes in your jacking plate
case in point, my RS does not have a sub frame
yet I used to have a primitive racing skid plate on it ;)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
two front mounting holes are on the RS- nxwrxfx has a WRX chassis (from his sig), and it is not the same plate, as they ( "standard" skid plates for that chassis with the sub frame use the [B]3 holes [/B] that Psychotek posted above)
a sub frameless plate for his chassis would look like this:
[IMG]http://www.searchenginefuel.com/impreza/specialplate/2.jpg[/IMG]
case in point, my RS does not have a sub frame
yet I used to have a primitive racing skid plate on it ;)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
two front mounting holes are on the RS- nxwrxfx has a WRX chassis (from his sig), and it is not the same plate, as they ( "standard" skid plates for that chassis with the sub frame use the [B]3 holes [/B] that Psychotek posted above)
a sub frameless plate for his chassis would look like this:
[IMG]http://www.searchenginefuel.com/impreza/specialplate/2.jpg[/IMG]
| nxwrxfx | 09-06-2006 12:05 PM |
Costas - Yep, that's exactly where I wanted to mount the front of the skidplate. Is that your actual subplate installed, btw? Looks great!
| JnJassociates | 09-06-2006 03:51 PM |
Rally Armor makes some great products. :)
Bryan
Bryan
| primitive | 09-11-2006 06:26 PM |
Primitive Skidplate Fitment
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I don't think I ever got an email directly on this, but for the 2002+ Impreza's and WRX, I do have my skidplate bolt to to the subframe (those 3 bolts in front)-different from Jamie's pre 2002 RS. I can make one to use the 2 bolts further forward if needed (as pictured above) by welding on 2 forward tabs, but would have a little concern about the strength of that mounting point if it took a big hit (therefore bending the radiator support upward...). But it could be done, especially if for a street or track car. Would also need to know how far the GT subframe stuck down so it would clear all the way across... and bolt on cleanly.
I have been making skiplates for almost 10 years now for the Impreza and can usually get it to work for most any Subaru with a little time and ingenuity. 1/8" is OK light duty plate, but as others have mentioned, 3/16" is MUCH STRONGER and my rally-prep skidplates for full STAGE RALLY cars are usually multi-layered to be thicker than 1/4" down the main center area. Look at the plate I did for Tanner Foust (or others). I run with few or no extra holes in then to reduce gravel or mud getting on top of the plate and possibly wedging between the oil pan and plate. I try to keep the most GROUND CLEARANCE as well.
[IMG]http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/img-skid/skid-plate-wrx.jpg[/IMG]
[url]www.get-primitive.com[/url]
I have been making skiplates for almost 10 years now for the Impreza and can usually get it to work for most any Subaru with a little time and ingenuity. 1/8" is OK light duty plate, but as others have mentioned, 3/16" is MUCH STRONGER and my rally-prep skidplates for full STAGE RALLY cars are usually multi-layered to be thicker than 1/4" down the main center area. Look at the plate I did for Tanner Foust (or others). I run with few or no extra holes in then to reduce gravel or mud getting on top of the plate and possibly wedging between the oil pan and plate. I try to keep the most GROUND CLEARANCE as well.
[IMG]http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/img-skid/skid-plate-wrx.jpg[/IMG]
[url]www.get-primitive.com[/url]
| STi-MAN | 09-11-2006 08:47 PM |
I have a beat rush one, and its reallly quality stuff.. there's even a square hole so you can still jack your car up from the front center jacking point... also the skid plate goes a bit further down to cover the front part of the transmission.
| Costas | 09-11-2006 10:13 PM |
Beat rush is not a skid plate, it is a thin metal under body panel/ "diffuser" no where near what is required in a real plate. The reason there is a hole is so you can use the existing jack plate as it is then exposed on the car or else you would bend the b/r piece
| Roo | 09-12-2006 01:45 AM |
Primitive skidplate FTW!!
We have the 3/16" plate on our Forester XT, and it works wonderfully. It's saved us more than once on our off-road adventures, and stands up to anything the average driver is going to put it through.
We have the 3/16" plate on our Forester XT, and it works wonderfully. It's saved us more than once on our off-road adventures, and stands up to anything the average driver is going to put it through.
| STi-MAN | 09-12-2006 02:21 AM |
[QUOTE=Costas;15210243]Beat rush is not a skid plate, it is a thin metal under body panel/ "diffuser" no where near what is required in a real plate. The reason there is a hole is so you can use the existing jack plate as it is then exposed on the car or else you would bend the b/r piece[/QUOTE]
its about a 1/8 of a inch.
its about a 1/8 of a inch.
| Costas | 09-12-2006 05:24 AM |
Its 2mm, 1/8th is closer to 3mm
| STi-MAN | 09-12-2006 10:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Costas;15213558]Its 2mm, 1/8th is closer to 3mm[/QUOTE]
I dont know it its 2mm. or 3.1234mm but either way its not as thin as u suspect.. do you even have one? Plus the poster never said he needed something to protect from huge rocks, also whether its 1/8th of a inch or 3/16 of a inch it will bend if you jack a car up by the skid plate. Beat rush underpanels also mount via its own mounting brackets so a subframe is not needed.
I dont know it its 2mm. or 3.1234mm but either way its not as thin as u suspect.. do you even have one? Plus the poster never said he needed something to protect from huge rocks, also whether its 1/8th of a inch or 3/16 of a inch it will bend if you jack a car up by the skid plate. Beat rush underpanels also mount via its own mounting brackets so a subframe is not needed.
| Subie Gal | 09-12-2006 05:31 PM |
+11bzillion for Primitive.
Just email Paul and he'll take care of you.
My new Primitive skid plate for my performance rally beastie will be fit by months end
I cannot wait :D :banana:
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
Just email Paul and he'll take care of you.
My new Primitive skid plate for my performance rally beastie will be fit by months end
I cannot wait :D :banana:
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| JDM Importers | 09-12-2006 10:26 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal;15221764]+11bzillion for Primitive.
Just email Paul and he'll take care of you.
My new Primitive skid plate for my performance rally beastie will be fit by months end
I cannot wait :D :banana:
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
]+11bzillion + one more !
I am not sure Jamie knows what she is talking about , and by the way she is a girl and this is a car forum.
But I am a guy and im telling you the primitive plate is a way to go!!:)
Just email Paul and he'll take care of you.
My new Primitive skid plate for my performance rally beastie will be fit by months end
I cannot wait :D :banana:
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
]+11bzillion + one more !
I am not sure Jamie knows what she is talking about , and by the way she is a girl and this is a car forum.
But I am a guy and im telling you the primitive plate is a way to go!!:)
| Subie Gal | 09-12-2006 10:28 PM |
[QUOTE=JDM Importers;15224403]]+11bzillion + one more !
I am not sure Jamie knows what she is talking about , and by the way she is a girl and this is a car forum.
But I am a guy and im telling you the primitive plate is a way to go!!:)[/QUOTE]
You bastage...
I'm gonna call your cell phone and hang up....
A LOT :devil:
hehehehee
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
I am not sure Jamie knows what she is talking about , and by the way she is a girl and this is a car forum.
But I am a guy and im telling you the primitive plate is a way to go!!:)[/QUOTE]
You bastage...
I'm gonna call your cell phone and hang up....
A LOT :devil:
hehehehee
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| SilverSurfer04STi | 09-12-2006 10:44 PM |
This is interesting. I DID email paul and I had some questions a while back. I specifically told him I have a GT Spec subframe on my MY04 STi that would not allow his regular WRX skid plate to fit my car. I asked if he could send me a modified version to fit my situation. He assured me I could modify his regular WRX plate to make it fit pretty easily. So I ordered the plate.....
I got the plate a while back and between having some engine issues and finally just deciding to get a new engine and my car sitting in my garage for quite a while during this whole process, I didn't have time to try to "modify" his skid plate which he said would work so easily or for that matter, even to check to see what it would take to make it fit (if it was even possible - I took his word for it that it would be easily workable). Several months after I actually received the plate, I finally decided to see if it would fit while I had the engine out (previously - due to engine issues, a skid plate was the last thing on my mind). When I finally got under there and messed with it and figured out what it would take to make it fit with the GT Spec subframe, I came to the conclusion it would only work if I drilled holes in the GT Spec subframe and bolte it through those holes.
After figuring that out, I emailed Paul back to see if I could get a refund based on the fact if I ever wanted to sell that GT Spec subframe, nobody would buy it due to the fact I would have drilled holes in it. Furthermore, it might affect the structural integrity of the brace which I didn't want to take a chance on.... I have not heard back from Paul after sending that email (maybe 2 weeks ago). Paul's customer service was good up until this no response thing, but I am a little frustrated that I have a useless skidplate sitting in my garage now.
OK, off rant.
To give credit where it is due, the skid plate looks like a quality piece that would work VERY well if the OEM subframe is used to bolt it to (as intended). My situation is unique due to the GT Spec subframe, but still, I can't use it and I would be willing to sell it at a discount if Paul thinks this is an unrefundable situation (which I can only assume he thinks it is unrefundable since he has not responded to date). It's brand new, never used, and presently sits in my garage.
I got the plate a while back and between having some engine issues and finally just deciding to get a new engine and my car sitting in my garage for quite a while during this whole process, I didn't have time to try to "modify" his skid plate which he said would work so easily or for that matter, even to check to see what it would take to make it fit (if it was even possible - I took his word for it that it would be easily workable). Several months after I actually received the plate, I finally decided to see if it would fit while I had the engine out (previously - due to engine issues, a skid plate was the last thing on my mind). When I finally got under there and messed with it and figured out what it would take to make it fit with the GT Spec subframe, I came to the conclusion it would only work if I drilled holes in the GT Spec subframe and bolte it through those holes.
After figuring that out, I emailed Paul back to see if I could get a refund based on the fact if I ever wanted to sell that GT Spec subframe, nobody would buy it due to the fact I would have drilled holes in it. Furthermore, it might affect the structural integrity of the brace which I didn't want to take a chance on.... I have not heard back from Paul after sending that email (maybe 2 weeks ago). Paul's customer service was good up until this no response thing, but I am a little frustrated that I have a useless skidplate sitting in my garage now.
OK, off rant.
To give credit where it is due, the skid plate looks like a quality piece that would work VERY well if the OEM subframe is used to bolt it to (as intended). My situation is unique due to the GT Spec subframe, but still, I can't use it and I would be willing to sell it at a discount if Paul thinks this is an unrefundable situation (which I can only assume he thinks it is unrefundable since he has not responded to date). It's brand new, never used, and presently sits in my garage.
| Subie Gal | 09-13-2006 01:30 AM |
hmmm well.....
your story sounds like something to bring up with Paul in an email - however....
I know that most places of business offer a 30 day return policy
not several months - therein may lie your biggest problem
I'll vouch for the Primitive quality and customer service
I've been shopping there for 6-7 years now :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
your story sounds like something to bring up with Paul in an email - however....
I know that most places of business offer a 30 day return policy
not several months - therein may lie your biggest problem
I'll vouch for the Primitive quality and customer service
I've been shopping there for 6-7 years now :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| sube151 | 09-13-2006 01:49 AM |
silversurfer,
I have to step in for Paul too. Paul makes great quality parts.
You clearly purchased the part knowing that you will need modification
for the plate to properly work on your vehicle. I dont think thats Paul's
responsibility.
Have you talked to a machine shop to perhaps fabricate another installation point that would work with your setup?
-Vic
I have to step in for Paul too. Paul makes great quality parts.
You clearly purchased the part knowing that you will need modification
for the plate to properly work on your vehicle. I dont think thats Paul's
responsibility.
Have you talked to a machine shop to perhaps fabricate another installation point that would work with your setup?
-Vic
| nxwrxfx | 09-13-2006 03:44 AM |
Wow guys!!
I turned my back on this thread for a few days and look at all the helpful info I got!
As for my skidplate, I was thinking about having Paul mod it a bit more extremely... Since the subframe is gone a "normal" skidplate will leave the sides exposed since the subframe is no longer there on the sides.
So, tomorrow I'm hoping under my car to take measurements to see if I can get Primitive to custom fab up one very large skidplate that'll clear my lack of a subframe and my addition of the Tanabe Sustec underbrace.
Shameless plug: Be sure to watch for my thread on a CRAZY custom heat shield assembly in the next few weeks. The first pieces were dremeled today, but there's much more to do.
I turned my back on this thread for a few days and look at all the helpful info I got!
As for my skidplate, I was thinking about having Paul mod it a bit more extremely... Since the subframe is gone a "normal" skidplate will leave the sides exposed since the subframe is no longer there on the sides.
So, tomorrow I'm hoping under my car to take measurements to see if I can get Primitive to custom fab up one very large skidplate that'll clear my lack of a subframe and my addition of the Tanabe Sustec underbrace.
Shameless plug: Be sure to watch for my thread on a CRAZY custom heat shield assembly in the next few weeks. The first pieces were dremeled today, but there's much more to do.
| SilverSurfer04STi | 09-13-2006 06:22 AM |
Thanks for your opinion. In the grand scheme of things, even if you are right, do you think an email response to my email is warranted... I certainly do.
Also, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the part is junk or Paul's customer service sucks. Prior to not returning this one email, the customer service was good - maybe he's on a rally somewhere or has been out of town a while, who knows? In my post, I clearly state the part is a quality piece and my situation is unique. So please everybody, don't freak out and think I'm trying to slam the company and start vouching how great the customer service is in your experience. Just posting my personal experience and offering thread starter my skid plate at a discounted price - since I'm assuming right now that it is not refundable.
Honestly, the only thing in this whole purchase that I'm disappointed about was the fact that Paul didn't offer to modify mine for me prior to shipment like he said he would do in his post above. Custom welded mount pieces seem as though they may have worked, but maybe he was busy that day when he answered my original emails so he didn't offer. He basically said I could do it easily - which I can't without welding something on - sorry I don't weld very good. I would have gladly supplied the measurements and mounting points if he would have gave me that option. Not a huge deal really, just wish that would have been offered to me too. Again, don't freak out and post how great the company is. I'm not sayng it's subpar.
[QUOTE=sube151;15226457]silversurfer,
I have to step in for Paul too. Paul makes great quality parts.
You clearly purchased the part knowing that you will need modification
for the plate to properly work on your vehicle. I dont think thats Paul's
responsibility.
Have you talked to a machine shop to perhaps fabricate another installation point that would work with your setup?
-Vic[/QUOTE]
Also, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the part is junk or Paul's customer service sucks. Prior to not returning this one email, the customer service was good - maybe he's on a rally somewhere or has been out of town a while, who knows? In my post, I clearly state the part is a quality piece and my situation is unique. So please everybody, don't freak out and think I'm trying to slam the company and start vouching how great the customer service is in your experience. Just posting my personal experience and offering thread starter my skid plate at a discounted price - since I'm assuming right now that it is not refundable.
Honestly, the only thing in this whole purchase that I'm disappointed about was the fact that Paul didn't offer to modify mine for me prior to shipment like he said he would do in his post above. Custom welded mount pieces seem as though they may have worked, but maybe he was busy that day when he answered my original emails so he didn't offer. He basically said I could do it easily - which I can't without welding something on - sorry I don't weld very good. I would have gladly supplied the measurements and mounting points if he would have gave me that option. Not a huge deal really, just wish that would have been offered to me too. Again, don't freak out and post how great the company is. I'm not sayng it's subpar.
[QUOTE=sube151;15226457]silversurfer,
I have to step in for Paul too. Paul makes great quality parts.
You clearly purchased the part knowing that you will need modification
for the plate to properly work on your vehicle. I dont think thats Paul's
responsibility.
Have you talked to a machine shop to perhaps fabricate another installation point that would work with your setup?
-Vic[/QUOTE]
| sube151 | 09-13-2006 03:05 PM |
Totally understand. Paul is purty honest. Just ping him again and tell him your situation.
If it were me, I'd find a good machine shop in your area, take the car and plate, and let them do some magic. I've had some good work down for reasonable prices.
-Vic
If it were me, I'd find a good machine shop in your area, take the car and plate, and let them do some magic. I've had some good work down for reasonable prices.
-Vic
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