| sirfrankwilliams | 11-22-2006 04:00 PM |
[quote=Ferg;16083724]there's just not much going on right now.[/quote]
I'm working up drawings for my new garden shed. :confused:
I'm working up drawings for my new garden shed. :confused:
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 11-22-2006 04:09 PM |
pft!!!
We have engine deals done, specs nailed down for the future, schedules being revolved around, driver lineups being confirmed. Cars about to be introduced, and more!!!
I'm just anxious to see when F1 is actually going to fall apart what with all the wierd rules. (especially the engine rules)
We have engine deals done, specs nailed down for the future, schedules being revolved around, driver lineups being confirmed. Cars about to be introduced, and more!!!
I'm just anxious to see when F1 is actually going to fall apart what with all the wierd rules. (especially the engine rules)
| Ferg | 11-22-2006 04:16 PM |
We've got 115 days until Australia...
| KAX | 11-22-2006 04:29 PM |
i think red bull will be the first to debut its car. IIRC, they said a january debut. Like Ferg originally suggested, we should start it then, when its all facts, no speculation.
| Ferg | 11-22-2006 04:44 PM |
Okay, I just checked the winter testing schedule...
[QUOTE]November 28-30 in Barcelona; December 6-8 in Jerez and December 13-15 in Jerez.[/QUOTE]
The 2007 season unofficially starts on November 28th.
Look for the '07 thread next Tuesday.
:)
[QUOTE]November 28-30 in Barcelona; December 6-8 in Jerez and December 13-15 in Jerez.[/QUOTE]
The 2007 season unofficially starts on November 28th.
Look for the '07 thread next Tuesday.
:)
| StuBeck | 11-22-2006 07:53 PM |
What wierd rules for next year? Not much is changing, although we're only having 11 teams instead of 12 like could have happened.
| Ferg | 11-23-2006 11:14 AM |
Speaking if rules, here's Mr. Roebuck on what he would change if he could.
[QUOTE][B]Dear Nigel,
Given a free hand in writing the next set of F1 regulations, what do you feel would be the most radical change that you would make to either the sporting or technical regs?
James Bignell[/B]
Dear James,
Difficult question, because there are all kinds of changes I'd like to see, and selecting just one - from both technical and sporting regulations - isn't easy.
One thing, I must say, that I would like to see changed is the 'one move' thing, which came in a few years ago, and made it permissible for a driver to swerve - once - in front of a rival attempting to pass. You can dress this up how you like - but that's what it amounts to: you are allowed to 'block' another driver, so long as you only do it once. Inevitably, it gets abused - over time I've seen such as Michael Schumacher (the high priest of 'moving over') change direction two and three times to keep another driver from overtaking, and I can't ever recall a time when the sin was punished.
Time was when 'blocking' was an absolute no-no in motor racing - something that simply wasn't acceptable. Those who did do it incurred the wrath of their fellows. [I]"Jesus,"[/I] Keke Rosberg once said of Ayrton Senna, [I]"if this sort of thing is OK now, we could finish up with a situation where nobody could ever overtake anybody! Is this really what we want to see in this sport?"[/I]
In the 1961 French Grand Prix, at the flat-out circuit of Reims, the last lap came down to a fight between Giancarlo Baghetti's Ferrari and Dan Gurney's Porsche, Out of the last corner Gurney was ahead, but on the long drag down the finish Baghetti was in his slipstream, and then pulled out to overtake just before the line.
I asked Gurney if he'd thought of blocking the Ferrari. "Oh, I thought about it!" said Dan. "I hadn't won a Grand Prix yet, and I really wanted it. But it was only a flash through my mind - obviously, I couldn't do it, just as I wouldn't have wanted him to do it to me. I mean, there was no way..."
There was an F1 driver in the early seventies called Mike Beuttler, who really wasn't very good, but became notorious for keeping people back by chopping across them as they sought to pass. I relate this only because he quickly acquired the nickname of 'Blocker', and that tells its own story, doesn't it? So unusual - and unacceptable - was the practice in those days that someone who did it was singled out for contempt.
In the IRL and in Champ Car, the practice is now officially banned, and if you do it, you are swiftly penalised. Inevitably, this ban has improved the racing, because overtaking is obviously easier - and it also can't have hurt the safety aspect, either. Given that F1 has become preoccupied with safety in this era, it seems to me astonishing that such a potentially dangerous practice has now been sanctioned. Of course F1 is a hard sport, and so it should be - but I think it should also, as much as possible, be a fair one. And I don't see anything admirable in beating someone simply because, when he tried to pass, he was given a choice between abandoning the idea or having a big accident.
So that's one thing. But if I'm confined to only one change, I'll make it 'technical'. Over the years many an F1 driver has said to me that he wished the cars could go back to being 'mechanical' - in other words, stripped of all the electronics which have given us such as flick-switch gearshifting, launch control, traction control, and so on.
I'm sorry we have the sort of gear changing we have now because it removes the possibility of a driver 'missing a shift' - which often in the past led to order changes, particularly at a place like Monte Carlo, where overtaking is otherwise as good as impossible. I accept, however, that, with the cost of F1 engines what it is these days, everyone is very keen to avoid blow-ups.
Launch control and traction control, though, I think are an abomination. If a racing driver can't get his car off the line on his own, he should be in some other line of work, and as for traction control...
A major part of the driver's art used to be delicate throttle control - what Mario Andretti calls, 'The educated right foot'. Not for nothing did the likes of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost detest it - anything which served to 'equalise' drivers was obviously going to work against their interests, after all.
Traction control was originally conceived for road cars - to protect average drivers on slippery surfaces - and no one could have any argument against that (so long, that is, as the facility exists to switch it off!). F1 drivers, though, are supposed to be the best on earth, and I consider traction control in a Grand Prix car to be an abuse of something developed for a wholly different purpose.
Therefore, its banning - once and for all, by the adoption of a standard ECU - is the overriding change that I would make. Max Mosley, always a professed opponent of electronic 'gizmos', has vowed not to allow it in the 'new F1', which comes into being in 2008. I sincerely hope that this time he sticks to it. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Dear Nigel,
Given a free hand in writing the next set of F1 regulations, what do you feel would be the most radical change that you would make to either the sporting or technical regs?
James Bignell[/B]
Dear James,
Difficult question, because there are all kinds of changes I'd like to see, and selecting just one - from both technical and sporting regulations - isn't easy.
One thing, I must say, that I would like to see changed is the 'one move' thing, which came in a few years ago, and made it permissible for a driver to swerve - once - in front of a rival attempting to pass. You can dress this up how you like - but that's what it amounts to: you are allowed to 'block' another driver, so long as you only do it once. Inevitably, it gets abused - over time I've seen such as Michael Schumacher (the high priest of 'moving over') change direction two and three times to keep another driver from overtaking, and I can't ever recall a time when the sin was punished.
Time was when 'blocking' was an absolute no-no in motor racing - something that simply wasn't acceptable. Those who did do it incurred the wrath of their fellows. [I]"Jesus,"[/I] Keke Rosberg once said of Ayrton Senna, [I]"if this sort of thing is OK now, we could finish up with a situation where nobody could ever overtake anybody! Is this really what we want to see in this sport?"[/I]
In the 1961 French Grand Prix, at the flat-out circuit of Reims, the last lap came down to a fight between Giancarlo Baghetti's Ferrari and Dan Gurney's Porsche, Out of the last corner Gurney was ahead, but on the long drag down the finish Baghetti was in his slipstream, and then pulled out to overtake just before the line.
I asked Gurney if he'd thought of blocking the Ferrari. "Oh, I thought about it!" said Dan. "I hadn't won a Grand Prix yet, and I really wanted it. But it was only a flash through my mind - obviously, I couldn't do it, just as I wouldn't have wanted him to do it to me. I mean, there was no way..."
There was an F1 driver in the early seventies called Mike Beuttler, who really wasn't very good, but became notorious for keeping people back by chopping across them as they sought to pass. I relate this only because he quickly acquired the nickname of 'Blocker', and that tells its own story, doesn't it? So unusual - and unacceptable - was the practice in those days that someone who did it was singled out for contempt.
In the IRL and in Champ Car, the practice is now officially banned, and if you do it, you are swiftly penalised. Inevitably, this ban has improved the racing, because overtaking is obviously easier - and it also can't have hurt the safety aspect, either. Given that F1 has become preoccupied with safety in this era, it seems to me astonishing that such a potentially dangerous practice has now been sanctioned. Of course F1 is a hard sport, and so it should be - but I think it should also, as much as possible, be a fair one. And I don't see anything admirable in beating someone simply because, when he tried to pass, he was given a choice between abandoning the idea or having a big accident.
So that's one thing. But if I'm confined to only one change, I'll make it 'technical'. Over the years many an F1 driver has said to me that he wished the cars could go back to being 'mechanical' - in other words, stripped of all the electronics which have given us such as flick-switch gearshifting, launch control, traction control, and so on.
I'm sorry we have the sort of gear changing we have now because it removes the possibility of a driver 'missing a shift' - which often in the past led to order changes, particularly at a place like Monte Carlo, where overtaking is otherwise as good as impossible. I accept, however, that, with the cost of F1 engines what it is these days, everyone is very keen to avoid blow-ups.
Launch control and traction control, though, I think are an abomination. If a racing driver can't get his car off the line on his own, he should be in some other line of work, and as for traction control...
A major part of the driver's art used to be delicate throttle control - what Mario Andretti calls, 'The educated right foot'. Not for nothing did the likes of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost detest it - anything which served to 'equalise' drivers was obviously going to work against their interests, after all.
Traction control was originally conceived for road cars - to protect average drivers on slippery surfaces - and no one could have any argument against that (so long, that is, as the facility exists to switch it off!). F1 drivers, though, are supposed to be the best on earth, and I consider traction control in a Grand Prix car to be an abuse of something developed for a wholly different purpose.
Therefore, its banning - once and for all, by the adoption of a standard ECU - is the overriding change that I would make. Max Mosley, always a professed opponent of electronic 'gizmos', has vowed not to allow it in the 'new F1', which comes into being in 2008. I sincerely hope that this time he sticks to it. [/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 11-24-2006 12:43 PM |
So earlier in this thread I pointed out that in 2005, Alonso used only two chassis the entire season.
It seems Reault have improved their car's longevity somewhat...
[QUOTE]R26 heading for historic collection
Thursday, November 23rd 2006, 10:29 GMT
Renault have confirmed that Fernando Alonso's 2006 title-winning chassis will be retained by the French car manufacturer and housed at their 'Histoire et Collection' heritage collection in Paris.
[B]Alonso made history this year by using the same chassis, the R26-03, for the entire season. The car, which emerged from the team's Enstone factory on February 7, went on to take seven victories, six pole positions and the title.
The car completed 11,317km of testing, practice, qualifying and racing to secure its place in F1 history.[/B][/QUOTE]
It seems Reault have improved their car's longevity somewhat...
[QUOTE]R26 heading for historic collection
Thursday, November 23rd 2006, 10:29 GMT
Renault have confirmed that Fernando Alonso's 2006 title-winning chassis will be retained by the French car manufacturer and housed at their 'Histoire et Collection' heritage collection in Paris.
[B]Alonso made history this year by using the same chassis, the R26-03, for the entire season. The car, which emerged from the team's Enstone factory on February 7, went on to take seven victories, six pole positions and the title.
The car completed 11,317km of testing, practice, qualifying and racing to secure its place in F1 history.[/B][/QUOTE]
| bitterWRX | 11-24-2006 04:18 PM |
Hamilton!
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Hamilton confirmed for McLaren!
[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6179704.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6179704.stm[/URL]
[QUOTE]Englishman Lewis Hamilton will drive for McLaren in Formula One next season.
The 21-year-old, the reigning champion of the GP2 feeder series, will be the first black driver to race in F1.
Hamilton, who has been in McLaren's young driver programme since 1998, said getting a drive with the team was "a dream come true".
He faces the daunting prospect of partnering world champion Fernando Alonso, who will be making his McLaren debut after moving from Renault.
McLaren boss Ron Dennis acknowledged that promoting Hamilton was a gamble, but insisted he was a better prospect than any driver in F1 other than Alonso and former McLaren driver Kimi Raikkonen.
"He has earned his chance and he deserves this opportunity," Dennis said.
"Yes, there's a concern," Dennis said. "But I'm open about this concern.
"Both Lewis and the team have their eyes open and we will be very supportive. We have mapped out a very detailed programme to give him a grounding in all the different aspects of F1.
"By Australia [the first race], he will have been well prepared and well disciplined, and he will be as well equipped to handle it as we can make him."
Dennis said it was "not unrealistic" to expect Hamilton to win a race in his debut season "if we have a strong car, but certainly not in the early part of the season".
He added: "Statistically, Lewis is going to find it tough in the first few races of his Grand Prix career.
"You only have to look at the first few races of Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher to realise that unless he is something really exceptional, and that I doubt because they are two really exceptional drivers, you can't expect - and nor do we expect - immediate performance."
Hamilton's appointment means Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa will revert to being a test driver alongside another Englishman, Gary Paffett, who had been tipped for a race seat in another team.
Hamilton will join the McLaren team next week as they prepare for the 2007 season at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.
"To be racing in Formula One with McLaren has been the ulimate goal for me since I was very young," Hamilton said in a team statement.
"This opportunity is a fantastic way to end what has been the best year for me.
606 DEBATE: Tell us your thoughts on Hamilton's "dream" coming true
"I'm aware that this will be a challenge and I know there will be a lot of attention on me," he added.
Hamilton, who joined the McLaren development programme at the age of 13, won the British Formula Renault title in 2003 and the Formula 3 Euroseries in 2005. [/QUOTE]
I think this is exciting times for McLaren. I just hope that Hamilton isn't being overrated.
[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6179704.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6179704.stm[/URL]
[QUOTE]Englishman Lewis Hamilton will drive for McLaren in Formula One next season.
The 21-year-old, the reigning champion of the GP2 feeder series, will be the first black driver to race in F1.
Hamilton, who has been in McLaren's young driver programme since 1998, said getting a drive with the team was "a dream come true".
He faces the daunting prospect of partnering world champion Fernando Alonso, who will be making his McLaren debut after moving from Renault.
McLaren boss Ron Dennis acknowledged that promoting Hamilton was a gamble, but insisted he was a better prospect than any driver in F1 other than Alonso and former McLaren driver Kimi Raikkonen.
"He has earned his chance and he deserves this opportunity," Dennis said.
"Yes, there's a concern," Dennis said. "But I'm open about this concern.
"Both Lewis and the team have their eyes open and we will be very supportive. We have mapped out a very detailed programme to give him a grounding in all the different aspects of F1.
"By Australia [the first race], he will have been well prepared and well disciplined, and he will be as well equipped to handle it as we can make him."
Dennis said it was "not unrealistic" to expect Hamilton to win a race in his debut season "if we have a strong car, but certainly not in the early part of the season".
He added: "Statistically, Lewis is going to find it tough in the first few races of his Grand Prix career.
"You only have to look at the first few races of Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher to realise that unless he is something really exceptional, and that I doubt because they are two really exceptional drivers, you can't expect - and nor do we expect - immediate performance."
Hamilton's appointment means Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa will revert to being a test driver alongside another Englishman, Gary Paffett, who had been tipped for a race seat in another team.
Hamilton will join the McLaren team next week as they prepare for the 2007 season at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.
"To be racing in Formula One with McLaren has been the ulimate goal for me since I was very young," Hamilton said in a team statement.
"This opportunity is a fantastic way to end what has been the best year for me.
606 DEBATE: Tell us your thoughts on Hamilton's "dream" coming true
"I'm aware that this will be a challenge and I know there will be a lot of attention on me," he added.
Hamilton, who joined the McLaren development programme at the age of 13, won the British Formula Renault title in 2003 and the Formula 3 Euroseries in 2005. [/QUOTE]
I think this is exciting times for McLaren. I just hope that Hamilton isn't being overrated.
| artkevin | 11-24-2006 07:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16097986]So earlier in this thread I pointed out that in 2005, Alonso used only two chassis the entire season.
It seems Reault have improved their car's longevity somewhat...[/QUOTE]
Thats amazing. I thought only the smaller teams kept their chasis numbers down!
It seems Reault have improved their car's longevity somewhat...[/QUOTE]
Thats amazing. I thought only the smaller teams kept their chasis numbers down!
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-24-2006 08:52 PM |
[IMG]http://www.motorpasion.com/archivos/images/lewis-hamilton-1.jpg[/IMG]
I'm excited for Lewis!
I'm excited for Lewis!
| MattDell | 11-24-2006 09:21 PM |
Looks like I'm rooting for McLaren next year! :devil:
| KAX | 11-24-2006 10:21 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell;16101548]Looks like I'm rooting for McLaren next year! :devil:[/QUOTE]
agreed :D
ill be happy for kimi if he wins it, but im gunna stick with Macca
agreed :D
ill be happy for kimi if he wins it, but im gunna stick with Macca
| StuBeck | 11-25-2006 01:09 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;16100862]Thats amazing. I thought only the smaller teams kept their chasis numbers down![/QUOTE]
Yea, it is, they used to retire the car after like 5 races or something, or just use it for the races.
Yea, it is, they used to retire the car after like 5 races or something, or just use it for the races.
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