| davis10 | 10-05-2005 07:26 PM |
??? about tarmac rallies
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what is the difference between a tarmac rally and a track race, besides the fact that it is not a curcit. It seems that the main difference is that theres a codriver and the cars are different. The driving style thoreticaly (sp.) is the same (right?). So my question is why are there [U]so many[/U] tarmac events it doesnt seem like rallying as much to me. I agree that rallies like Monte CArlo are great, but there is a lot of tarmac events latley. --- im rambling, just let me hear so insights on the subject.
| MtnGoat | 10-05-2005 07:58 PM |
If your refering to rallying on a world class level, most of them are held on private or closed public roads. Not all rallys are on tarmac. The WRC has a yearly season that usually starts in Monte Carlo which is mostly tarmac with some ice and snow in the mountians.
All rallys in the WRC are stage rallys. Each car runs a stage(about a minute apart) that starts at one point and finishes at another.Some rallys will have as many as 20 stages in a single event. Sometimes there are Special stages that run in a stadium and two cars will start at the same time and overlap eachother. The main point is that the drivers and cars run the stages for the best time with the driver with the best overall time at the end is the winner.
As the season moves on the rallys are in different countries and not all are tarmac(Argentina, Australia,Greece) Though the next rally will be a tarmac event. I'm not sure if it's in France or San Remo, Italy.
As far as driving style--I think there is a big difference between rally and circuts. Rallys can cover 100's of miles in a single event and the road surface can change stage to stage. The cars have to be set up for each stage somtimes.(Tire compounds, ride height ETC) Rally cars are set up way different for gravel rallys than tarmac.
Co drivers read pace notes to the driver so he knows what lies 3 corners ahead.
I hope this answers your questions without getting to technical.
All rallys in the WRC are stage rallys. Each car runs a stage(about a minute apart) that starts at one point and finishes at another.Some rallys will have as many as 20 stages in a single event. Sometimes there are Special stages that run in a stadium and two cars will start at the same time and overlap eachother. The main point is that the drivers and cars run the stages for the best time with the driver with the best overall time at the end is the winner.
As the season moves on the rallys are in different countries and not all are tarmac(Argentina, Australia,Greece) Though the next rally will be a tarmac event. I'm not sure if it's in France or San Remo, Italy.
As far as driving style--I think there is a big difference between rally and circuts. Rallys can cover 100's of miles in a single event and the road surface can change stage to stage. The cars have to be set up for each stage somtimes.(Tire compounds, ride height ETC) Rally cars are set up way different for gravel rallys than tarmac.
Co drivers read pace notes to the driver so he knows what lies 3 corners ahead.
I hope this answers your questions without getting to technical.
| jdadour | 10-05-2005 07:58 PM |
how many tarmac events are there? it seems to me that there are butt load of gravel events. i can only think of 3 tarmac rallies right now.
-jon
-jon
| bjorn240 | 10-05-2005 08:59 PM |
4. Monte Carlo, Germany, Rallye de France Tour de Corse, and Rally Catalunya.
The Italian round of the WRC used to be San Remo, which was tar. From 2004, it's been a gravel round on Sardinia, instead.
- Christian
The Italian round of the WRC used to be San Remo, which was tar. From 2004, it's been a gravel round on Sardinia, instead.
- Christian
| WRXedUSA | 10-05-2005 09:23 PM |
Catalunya is going to gravel BTW.
| davis10 | 10-05-2005 09:24 PM |
Yea thats right, but rallying is known for its distinct driving style, and my point is tarmac rallies use a style of driving that is more like F1, track racing etc. (Am I right). But WRC drivers still slide in tarmac rallies, hasnt F1 told us that driving on tarmac without sliding is faster??? I dont think that WRC driver are wrong,but I dont understand why im not?
| davis10 | 10-05-2005 09:25 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Catalunya is going to gravel BTW.[/QUOTE]
sweet:)
sweet:)
| davis10 | 10-05-2005 09:26 PM |
BTW, mtngoat, I know what rallying is.
| RB5 Clone | 10-05-2005 09:27 PM |
[QUOTE=jdadour]how many tarmac events are there? it seems to me that there are butt load of gravel events. i can only think of 3 tarmac rallies right now.
-jon[/QUOTE]
Here in US, there are two-- NASA Rally Tennesee and NASA Int'l Rally New York.
OK, so only half of RNY stage mileage was on pavement, but hey it's still a blast! RNY is without doubt the most "European" event in North America. There were drivers entered from Ireland, England, Argentina, Poland, Greece, Italy...and even some US guys from California to Maine.
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
-jon[/QUOTE]
Here in US, there are two-- NASA Rally Tennesee and NASA Int'l Rally New York.
OK, so only half of RNY stage mileage was on pavement, but hey it's still a blast! RNY is without doubt the most "European" event in North America. There were drivers entered from Ireland, England, Argentina, Poland, Greece, Italy...and even some US guys from California to Maine.
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
| TarmacRally | 10-05-2005 11:50 PM |
Did someone say my name?
think of Tarmac rallies as the original and far superior Initial D
Anyone can do the same lap of a circuit at 100%.
But, it takes superhuman driving skill to go 100% over roads that you've slowly driven over during Recce. And maybe ran on last year. Even then the road is never the same as weather and other drivers kicking dirt on the road, change it everytime.
think of Tarmac rallies as the original and far superior Initial D
Anyone can do the same lap of a circuit at 100%.
But, it takes superhuman driving skill to go 100% over roads that you've slowly driven over during Recce. And maybe ran on last year. Even then the road is never the same as weather and other drivers kicking dirt on the road, change it everytime.
| chairmandave | 10-06-2005 12:02 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Catalunya is going to gravel BTW.[/QUOTE]
This is kinda disappointing. Wasn't Catalunya the tarmac rally that Gilles Panizzi win, in which he did a donut in his Pug 206 at that bridge overpass hairpin to celebrate? That is one of my top WRC moments. :confused:
This is kinda disappointing. Wasn't Catalunya the tarmac rally that Gilles Panizzi win, in which he did a donut in his Pug 206 at that bridge overpass hairpin to celebrate? That is one of my top WRC moments. :confused:
| FastSS | 10-06-2005 12:39 AM |
I think it�s mainly because the roads are regular roads not prepped circuit asphalt
The point of the drift is when the radius of the turn is less then the cars turning radius, that�s the entire point of drifting. Also the jumps and bumps will upset the car and the only way to run the line fast and clean is to slide it a little.
Anyway tarmac rallies are normally much tighter and rougher then a circuit, not to mention that its an A to B race rather then a standard loop.
Just cause its on tarmac doesnt mean that its smooth, easy or better left for an F1 car. I dont think even the most sturdy F1 cars could run a tarmac WRC stage
The point of the drift is when the radius of the turn is less then the cars turning radius, that�s the entire point of drifting. Also the jumps and bumps will upset the car and the only way to run the line fast and clean is to slide it a little.
Anyway tarmac rallies are normally much tighter and rougher then a circuit, not to mention that its an A to B race rather then a standard loop.
Just cause its on tarmac doesnt mean that its smooth, easy or better left for an F1 car. I dont think even the most sturdy F1 cars could run a tarmac WRC stage
| Howl | 10-06-2005 10:20 AM |
1. Track racers go over the same road again and again, so they learn each corner very well. In theory, each corner is relatively new to a rally driver.
2.Track racers race head-to-head with other cars. Winning or loosing the race may have as much to do with passing or blocking passes as it does with outright speed. Rally drivers race the road and the clock.
3. Rally evolved out of the practice of using real cars on real roads. Thus the homologation rules for most classes of rally cars. Early rallys were races from one town or city to another. In fact, there are still races like that although they aren't pure speed events anymore.
2.Track racers race head-to-head with other cars. Winning or loosing the race may have as much to do with passing or blocking passes as it does with outright speed. Rally drivers race the road and the clock.
3. Rally evolved out of the practice of using real cars on real roads. Thus the homologation rules for most classes of rally cars. Early rallys were races from one town or city to another. In fact, there are still races like that although they aren't pure speed events anymore.
| LyveWRX | 10-06-2005 10:23 AM |
[quote=Howl]"Early rallys were races from one town or city to another. In fact, there are still races like that although they aren't pure speed events anymore"[/quote]
Now they are TSD Rally!
Now they are TSD Rally!
| fastlane101 | 10-06-2005 10:28 AM |
Pikes Peak Hill Climb is some tar. not all of it tho
| Howl | 10-06-2005 11:36 AM |
[QUOTE=LyveWRX]Now they are TSD Rally![/QUOTE]
There are local TSD rally's that generally start and end in the same place, like WRC rally's, and then there are rally's like the Rally d'Orient, which starts in Istanbul and ends Iran. Like the Dakar there are transit sections and speed sections.
There are also touring rally's that occasionally run from some place like Paris or London to someplace Beijing via Russia, often in vintage cars. In the good old days these events were speed events all the way, on open public roads (think Cannonball). Who ever crossed the finish line first won.
There are local TSD rally's that generally start and end in the same place, like WRC rally's, and then there are rally's like the Rally d'Orient, which starts in Istanbul and ends Iran. Like the Dakar there are transit sections and speed sections.
There are also touring rally's that occasionally run from some place like Paris or London to someplace Beijing via Russia, often in vintage cars. In the good old days these events were speed events all the way, on open public roads (think Cannonball). Who ever crossed the finish line first won.
| AdvanSTI | 10-06-2005 01:06 PM |
[QUOTE=MtnGoat]Co drivers read pace notes to the driver so he knows what lies 3 corners ahead.[/QUOTE]
while they're about to start a turn, the co-driver tells them whats the next move. so i'd say its about 1 turn ahead :)
while they're about to start a turn, the co-driver tells them whats the next move. so i'd say its about 1 turn ahead :)
| artkevin | 10-06-2005 01:13 PM |
[QUOTE=davis10]Yea thats right, but rallying is known for its distinct driving style, and my point is tarmac rallies use a style of driving that is more like F1, track racing etc. (Am I right). But WRC drivers still slide in tarmac rallies, hasnt F1 told us that driving on tarmac without sliding is faster??? I dont think that WRC driver are wrong,but I dont understand why im not?[/QUOTE]
Loeb and Solberg do not slide the cars (much) and are the "new" breed of rally driver. Gronholm and Galli still do and are amazing to watch but the feeling is with modern car setup it is better to keep wheel spin to a minimum.
Loeb and Solberg do not slide the cars (much) and are the "new" breed of rally driver. Gronholm and Galli still do and are amazing to watch but the feeling is with modern car setup it is better to keep wheel spin to a minimum.
| Howl | 10-06-2005 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Loeb and Solberg do not slide the cars (much) and are the "new" breed of rally driver. Gronholm and Galli still do and are amazing to watch but the feeling is with modern car setup it is better to keep wheel spin to a minimum.[/QUOTE]
It depends on how tight and how slippery the corner is. Whichever way maintains your momentum better will be the fastest way around the corner. F1 cars are very, very low, have incredibly sticky tires and the tarmac is usually very, very clean so they can get around a tight corner with virtually no sliding. A rally car is based on a production car, an although there is a lot they do for weight reduction/weight distribution and suspension setup, there is still no way a rally car can take a corner as fast as an F1 car without sliding particularly on rough pavement or if there is sand or debris on the course, which is typical.
Take for example the other extreme from F1 surface-wise: ice racing. In the non-studded class the tires are almost always spinning, because that's the fastest way to get around a corner on slippery surfaces. You get the car turned and sliding sidways BEFORE the corner and then use the spinning tires to push you around the corner.
It depends on how tight and how slippery the corner is. Whichever way maintains your momentum better will be the fastest way around the corner. F1 cars are very, very low, have incredibly sticky tires and the tarmac is usually very, very clean so they can get around a tight corner with virtually no sliding. A rally car is based on a production car, an although there is a lot they do for weight reduction/weight distribution and suspension setup, there is still no way a rally car can take a corner as fast as an F1 car without sliding particularly on rough pavement or if there is sand or debris on the course, which is typical.
Take for example the other extreme from F1 surface-wise: ice racing. In the non-studded class the tires are almost always spinning, because that's the fastest way to get around a corner on slippery surfaces. You get the car turned and sliding sidways BEFORE the corner and then use the spinning tires to push you around the corner.
| Bronson M | 10-06-2005 01:32 PM |
The point of drifting is.....well actually there is no point. Drifting is to rally as figure skating is to hockey. One is gay, and the other is a hardcore sport.
Seriously though, because of rally cars short wheelbase and awd it is sometimes beneficial to pitch the car sideways and let the awd pull the car out of tight slow speed hairpins.
Seriously though, because of rally cars short wheelbase and awd it is sometimes beneficial to pitch the car sideways and let the awd pull the car out of tight slow speed hairpins.
| anders8 | 10-06-2005 01:42 PM |
[QUOTE=davis10]The driving style thoreticaly (sp.) is the same (right?).[/QUOTE]
Not quite. One big difference (several have been named already) is that tracks are clean. If one car gets dirt on the track, they stop the race and clean it up.
Roads are dirty. And every corner that gets cut pulls more gravel onto the road, so they get worse as you go, or if you repeat a stage.
This was one of the big lessons of attending Rally Tennessee. You could never tell how much traction you would have on any corner, as you didn't know how much gravel had been thrown onto it. And not knowing how much traction you have is _very_ different from a road course where you're trying to brake at exactly the same spot every time around.
Cheers,
Anders
Not quite. One big difference (several have been named already) is that tracks are clean. If one car gets dirt on the track, they stop the race and clean it up.
Roads are dirty. And every corner that gets cut pulls more gravel onto the road, so they get worse as you go, or if you repeat a stage.
This was one of the big lessons of attending Rally Tennessee. You could never tell how much traction you would have on any corner, as you didn't know how much gravel had been thrown onto it. And not knowing how much traction you have is _very_ different from a road course where you're trying to brake at exactly the same spot every time around.
Cheers,
Anders
| RB5 Clone | 10-06-2005 02:46 PM |
Tracks have nice big guardrails and poofy tire walls and soft friendly gravel traps that tend to minimize the carnage if you go off.
Tarmac rally stages have trees, ditches, boulders, rock walls, cliffs, telephone poles and assorted other nasties that tend to maximize carnage if you go off.
BIG difference.
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
Tarmac rally stages have trees, ditches, boulders, rock walls, cliffs, telephone poles and assorted other nasties that tend to maximize carnage if you go off.
BIG difference.
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
| rexxer | 10-06-2005 03:29 PM |
Also, if an F1 track iced up, they would cancel the race... in rally (like last season), they just race and find out the hard way on their near slick summer-only rubber. You never know what's going to happen at different altitutes and the different climate zones you pass through in a tarmac rally.
| SuBruRu | 10-06-2005 04:06 PM |
Another factor is that a modern F1 car loses a tremendous amount of downforce if it gets even slightly sideways. WRC cars aren't as dependent on keeping the car in line to maintain their aerodynamic balance.
Look at film from F1 in the 50's and 60's and you will see what is called four-wheel drift. Google that phrase and you should find several sites that can explain the concept better than I can here. In essence, the driver would drift all four wheels, balancing the car with the throttle. Spectacular to watch, and similiar to what occurs in WRC.
Look at film from F1 in the 50's and 60's and you will see what is called four-wheel drift. Google that phrase and you should find several sites that can explain the concept better than I can here. In essence, the driver would drift all four wheels, balancing the car with the throttle. Spectacular to watch, and similiar to what occurs in WRC.
| davis10 | 10-06-2005 04:31 PM |
[QUOTE=FastSS]I think it�s mainly because the roads are regular roads not prepped circuit asphalt
The point of the drift is when the radius of the turn is less then the cars turning radius, that�s the entire point of drifting. Also the jumps and bumps will upset the car and the only way to run the line fast and clean is to slide it a little.
Anyway tarmac rallies are normally much tighter and rougher then a circuit, not to mention that its an A to B race rather then a standard loop.
Just cause its on tarmac doesnt mean that its smooth, easy or better left for an F1 car. I dont think even the most sturdy F1 cars could run a tarmac WRC stage[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree with this now I see that a tarmac rally is much different then a race course :banana:
The point of the drift is when the radius of the turn is less then the cars turning radius, that�s the entire point of drifting. Also the jumps and bumps will upset the car and the only way to run the line fast and clean is to slide it a little.
Anyway tarmac rallies are normally much tighter and rougher then a circuit, not to mention that its an A to B race rather then a standard loop.
Just cause its on tarmac doesnt mean that its smooth, easy or better left for an F1 car. I dont think even the most sturdy F1 cars could run a tarmac WRC stage[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree with this now I see that a tarmac rally is much different then a race course :banana:
| davis10 | 10-06-2005 04:34 PM |
There is the advantage of spinning the tires on gravel grip wise because the tires scrape of the loose top layer and grip on the harder base.
| Chromer | 10-06-2005 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=davis10]what is the difference between a tarmac rally and a track race, besides the fact that it is not a curcit. It seems that the main difference is that theres a codriver and the cars are different. The driving style thoreticaly (sp.) is the same (right?). So my question is why are there [U]so many[/U] tarmac events it doesnt seem like rallying as much to me. I agree that rallies like Monte CArlo are great, but there is a lot of tarmac events latley. --- im rambling, just let me hear so insights on the subject.[/QUOTE]
Differences: Not a circuit, which means the route hasn't been memorized by the driver and he doesn't have a chance to practice the ideal line, braking points, etc. No lapped traffic and (provided no one breaks and the start order has been set properly) no passing. Potentially much rougher than a permanent circuit even though still paved. No penalty for cutting the chicanes*, unless you hit something that breaks the car.
* Probably depends on the sanctioning body. IIRC some NA events have "hay bale" chicanes to control speeds, and assess penalties for disturbing the chicane elements.
Differences: Not a circuit, which means the route hasn't been memorized by the driver and he doesn't have a chance to practice the ideal line, braking points, etc. No lapped traffic and (provided no one breaks and the start order has been set properly) no passing. Potentially much rougher than a permanent circuit even though still paved. No penalty for cutting the chicanes*, unless you hit something that breaks the car.
* Probably depends on the sanctioning body. IIRC some NA events have "hay bale" chicanes to control speeds, and assess penalties for disturbing the chicane elements.
| goto_racing | 10-06-2005 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE=anders8]Not quite. One big difference (several have been named already) is that tracks are clean. If one car gets dirt on the track, they stop the race and clean it up.
[/QUOTE]
no disrespect intended... hehehehehehehe. That's a good one.
I have never been in or seen a race that was stopped because of dirt or grass, only oil or car parts. One of the most interesting situations you can get in in track racing is when a car right in front of you suddenly drops a wheel and puts dirt on course when you are already commited to the line. Talk about changing grip levels!
I always get a little defensive when rally drivers and fans invalidate circut racing and the skills required. Mainly because I make a point of learning about and understanding other motorsports, and respecting the skills and techniques needed for each one.
Someone else in this thread stated that "anyone" can go 100% if they have the turn memorized. All I can say is TRY IT! Then try doing it 100 times in a row. Then try doing it for every corner on the circut. Then try doing it for every circut in the world. Then try it with 30 other guys... I could go on forever.
I still think some of the best drivers in the world are rally drivers, but I wish that people would recognize that the skills in circut racing are legitimate and many people work very hard to be good at it.
Chris Lock
ps, a rally driver sliding sideways on tarmac is not at 100%. That is just "point and go". This new breed of rally driver that minimizes his wheel spin is learning something from us circut guys. :)
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no disrespect intended... hehehehehehehe. That's a good one.
I have never been in or seen a race that was stopped because of dirt or grass, only oil or car parts. One of the most interesting situations you can get in in track racing is when a car right in front of you suddenly drops a wheel and puts dirt on course when you are already commited to the line. Talk about changing grip levels!
I always get a little defensive when rally drivers and fans invalidate circut racing and the skills required. Mainly because I make a point of learning about and understanding other motorsports, and respecting the skills and techniques needed for each one.
Someone else in this thread stated that "anyone" can go 100% if they have the turn memorized. All I can say is TRY IT! Then try doing it 100 times in a row. Then try doing it for every corner on the circut. Then try doing it for every circut in the world. Then try it with 30 other guys... I could go on forever.
I still think some of the best drivers in the world are rally drivers, but I wish that people would recognize that the skills in circut racing are legitimate and many people work very hard to be good at it.
Chris Lock
ps, a rally driver sliding sideways on tarmac is not at 100%. That is just "point and go". This new breed of rally driver that minimizes his wheel spin is learning something from us circut guys. :)
| bjorn240 | 10-06-2005 09:19 PM |
[QUOTE=AdvanSTI]while they're about to start a turn, the co-driver tells them whats the next move. so i'd say its about 1 turn ahead :)[/QUOTE]
That'd be keen in a R6 Cr 250 R5+ L6 R5+lg [email�protected]
- Christian
That'd be keen in a R6 Cr 250 R5+ L6 R5+lg [email�protected]
- Christian
| Capt Crunch | 10-06-2005 11:20 PM |
Another aspect of tarmac rallying that is not applied in circuit racing is that drivers will often hook the inside tire on the lip of the road for extra traction..
Crazy, but I read it somewhere here.
Crazy, but I read it somewhere here.
| FastSS | 10-07-2005 01:25 AM |
going 100% around a circuit requires many laps and tons of experiance
Once you zone in and start doing it rather then thinking about it, thats whey you are going to have any chance of 100%
Once you zone in and start doing it rather then thinking about it, thats whey you are going to have any chance of 100%
| goto_racing | 10-07-2005 01:26 PM |
[QUOTE=Capt Crunch]Another aspect of tarmac rallying that is not applied in circuit racing is that drivers will often hook the inside tire on the lip of the road for extra traction..
[/QUOTE]
This circut driver does it everytime he takes T14 at Thunderhill :p. C'mon, why would only a rally guy try that trick? We circut drivers are EXCEEDINGLY dense.
Chris Lock
[/QUOTE]
This circut driver does it everytime he takes T14 at Thunderhill :p. C'mon, why would only a rally guy try that trick? We circut drivers are EXCEEDINGLY dense.
Chris Lock
| Koopsta | 10-07-2005 01:57 PM |
You can't neglect the effect of tire wear on driving style in the different types of racing.
If you're just drifting, you can drag your tires across the tarmac and shred them up in no time and it's not a big deal. If you're circuit racing, you need to think Jackie Stewart and stay smooth to ensure your mechanicals last longer (among other things). In a tarmac rally, you have to think more strategically and find a balance. You need speed, but you also need your tires to endure a day of punishment, so you might drift a hairpin, but drive normally through a 4 or 5 turn.
You'd be more likely to "drift" (really power sliding before all these damn kids started showing up) in a gravel or snow rally where there's less grip and therefore less stress on the tire.
If you're just drifting, you can drag your tires across the tarmac and shred them up in no time and it's not a big deal. If you're circuit racing, you need to think Jackie Stewart and stay smooth to ensure your mechanicals last longer (among other things). In a tarmac rally, you have to think more strategically and find a balance. You need speed, but you also need your tires to endure a day of punishment, so you might drift a hairpin, but drive normally through a 4 or 5 turn.
You'd be more likely to "drift" (really power sliding before all these damn kids started showing up) in a gravel or snow rally where there's less grip and therefore less stress on the tire.
| LyveWRX | 10-07-2005 02:09 PM |
[quote]"You'd be more likely to "drift" (really power sliding before all these damn kids started showing up) in a gravel or snow rally where there's less grip and therefore less stress on the tire."[/quote]
No no not because it doesnt hurt the tires as much, or stress teh car...
Rally drivers go sideways for many different reasons, however two are: 1) to set teh car up fo the corner and provide a smaller turning radius through power oversteer. 2) to scrub speed in order to make the next transition.
(at least thats what ive read, I'm not a real rally driver yet.. Just a TSD'er)
No no not because it doesnt hurt the tires as much, or stress teh car...
Rally drivers go sideways for many different reasons, however two are: 1) to set teh car up fo the corner and provide a smaller turning radius through power oversteer. 2) to scrub speed in order to make the next transition.
(at least thats what ive read, I'm not a real rally driver yet.. Just a TSD'er)
| AlbaScoob | 10-07-2005 02:44 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone]Tracks have nice big guardrails and poofy tire walls and soft friendly gravel traps that tend to minimize the carnage if you go off.
Tarmac rally stages have trees, ditches, boulders, rock walls, cliffs, telephone poles and assorted other nasties that tend to maximize carnage if you go off.
BIG difference.
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url][/QUOTE]
HA HA HA HA
I had to bite my tongue upon reading this thread but that's best answer yet!
superb
Tarmac rally stages have trees, ditches, boulders, rock walls, cliffs, telephone poles and assorted other nasties that tend to maximize carnage if you go off.
BIG difference.
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url][/QUOTE]
HA HA HA HA
I had to bite my tongue upon reading this thread but that's best answer yet!
superb
| RB5 Clone | 10-07-2005 04:00 PM |
tarmac vs track setup
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Tarmac rally car suspension setup is WAY different than track. In photo above (our RS on tarmac Stage 20, Rally New York), you see that the car is drifting, trailing tire smoke thru a hard downhill right. We are sideways in part to slow down, in part to tighten our radius by rotating the tail, in part 'cause there's sand and gravel left by other cars cutting the corner and we're lucky not to slide off into the williwacks.
diffs between track and tarmac rally setup:
--softer bump/rebound to deal with rough roads, dips, jumps, potholes
--more compliance in bushings, ditto above
--skinnier tires (generally) with taller sidewalls to deal with impacts
--more ride height to clear rough stuff (tho less than on gravel)
--this particular car doesn't even run a rear swaybar
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
Tarmac rally car suspension setup is WAY different than track. In photo above (our RS on tarmac Stage 20, Rally New York), you see that the car is drifting, trailing tire smoke thru a hard downhill right. We are sideways in part to slow down, in part to tighten our radius by rotating the tail, in part 'cause there's sand and gravel left by other cars cutting the corner and we're lucky not to slide off into the williwacks.
diffs between track and tarmac rally setup:
--softer bump/rebound to deal with rough roads, dips, jumps, potholes
--more compliance in bushings, ditto above
--skinnier tires (generally) with taller sidewalls to deal with impacts
--more ride height to clear rough stuff (tho less than on gravel)
--this particular car doesn't even run a rear swaybar
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
| RB5 Clone | 10-07-2005 04:03 PM |
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