| chevelle100 | 08-25-2005 10:18 PM |
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Hey, I'm looking at trying rally racing, and I thought that a 1993 to 1998 impreza would make a good start. Would rwd or awd be better for rally? Can you drift an awd? I believe the impreza was offered rwd in 1996? Which years had turbos and was there a model name for them? Can you turbo a non turbo impreza? Are there a lot of aftermarket parts? I'm looking at doing rally cross. Thanks.
| greg donovan | 08-25-2005 11:46 PM |
no RWD impreza ever rolled off the assembly line. they made them in FWD or AWD 'till 96. then only AWD.
yes you can drift a AWD car on dirt.
no impreza had turbo 'till 2002 WRX.
lots of aftermarket parts.
yes you can turbo a non turbo impreza. but its not really worth it when a 02 WRX is getting to be below $15,000 now.
if you want to rallycross go find the GRM project car thread in motorsports forum. and o out and buy the nicest 93-01 impreza you can afford, put some good rally tires on it and have some fun.
now please have a mod move this to motorsports.
yes you can drift a AWD car on dirt.
no impreza had turbo 'till 2002 WRX.
lots of aftermarket parts.
yes you can turbo a non turbo impreza. but its not really worth it when a 02 WRX is getting to be below $15,000 now.
if you want to rallycross go find the GRM project car thread in motorsports forum. and o out and buy the nicest 93-01 impreza you can afford, put some good rally tires on it and have some fun.
now please have a mod move this to motorsports.
| gpatmac | 08-25-2005 11:53 PM |
[url]http://www.cars101.com/impreza_archive93_96.html#1996%20impreza[/url]
According to that site, from 1996 on, all Impreza's were AWD. Prior to that, you could choose between AWD and FWD.
I can't answer any rally-specific questions, but you can 'drift' any car. If you look around that site a bit, you'll find which models were turbo'd and which were not. I could be wrong, but I believe that the only turbo'd Subaru prior to the US WRX was the ~91-94 Legacy Sport Sedan/Touring Sedan/Sport Wagon.
You can turbo anything.
I would say that there are quite a few aftermarket parts.
According to that site, from 1996 on, all Impreza's were AWD. Prior to that, you could choose between AWD and FWD.
I can't answer any rally-specific questions, but you can 'drift' any car. If you look around that site a bit, you'll find which models were turbo'd and which were not. I could be wrong, but I believe that the only turbo'd Subaru prior to the US WRX was the ~91-94 Legacy Sport Sedan/Touring Sedan/Sport Wagon.
You can turbo anything.
I would say that there are quite a few aftermarket parts.
| gpatmac | 08-25-2005 11:53 PM |
Damn. I took too long.:D
| Jtree | 08-26-2005 12:00 AM |
start w/ something like this [url]http://www.specialstage.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=235&topic_id=8371&mesg_id=8371&page=[/url] cheaper then trying to build up on yer own, gets ya driving sooner, learn w/ low power then after a season or so add yer boost.
| chevelle100 | 08-26-2005 12:06 AM |
I'll try to buy a car already set up for rallying, but I don't want to spend over $3000 initially. I'm looking at it being my first car actually, and to come up with the money, I'd be selling a sandrail. I'm thinking maybe an impreza, then have a cage built and go from there. It'd be nice to get a turbo legacy.
| NutBucket | 08-26-2005 01:40 AM |
[QUOTE=gpatmac][url]http://www.cars101.com/impreza_archive93_96.html#1996%20impreza[/url]
According to that site, from 1996 on, all Impreza's were AWD. Prior to that, you could choose between AWD and FWD.
I can't answer any rally-specific questions, but you can 'drift' any car. If you look around that site a bit, you'll find which models were turbo'd and which were not. I could be wrong, but I believe that the only turbo'd Subaru prior to the US WRX was the ~91-94 Legacy Sport Sedan/Touring Sedan/Sport Wagon.
You can turbo anything.
I would say that there are quite a few aftermarket parts.[/QUOTE]
I think the XT turbo from the mid 80's may have been the first turbo Suby in the States. I could be wrong also;)
According to that site, from 1996 on, all Impreza's were AWD. Prior to that, you could choose between AWD and FWD.
I can't answer any rally-specific questions, but you can 'drift' any car. If you look around that site a bit, you'll find which models were turbo'd and which were not. I could be wrong, but I believe that the only turbo'd Subaru prior to the US WRX was the ~91-94 Legacy Sport Sedan/Touring Sedan/Sport Wagon.
You can turbo anything.
I would say that there are quite a few aftermarket parts.[/QUOTE]
I think the XT turbo from the mid 80's may have been the first turbo Suby in the States. I could be wrong also;)
| gpatmac | 08-26-2005 03:53 AM |
I just looked on that website. The 1984 GL's were offered at a 95hp/123tq turbo'd 1.8 liter engine.
I thought that the XT was available with a turbo, too, but not according to that site. He's saying it was only made in 1991, too.:confused:
I thought that the XT was available with a turbo, too, but not according to that site. He's saying it was only made in 1991, too.:confused:
| Howl | 08-26-2005 08:46 AM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]I'll try to buy a car already set up for rallying, but I don't want to spend over $3000 initially. I'm looking at it being my first car actually, and to come up with the money, I'd be selling a sandrail. I'm thinking maybe an impreza, then have a cage built and go from there. It'd be nice to get a turbo legacy.[/QUOTE]
It's probably going to cost you more than $3,000 to buy a car, put a proper roll cage and get all the necessary safety equipment, unless you can find a really cheap car and know how to build an approved roll cage yourself.
AWD is much better for rallying, although there are a lot of FWD and RWD cars running, but often in their own classes because they can't keep up with the AWDs (read Subarus ;) ). A 1996 to 1998 Impreza is a great starting point. The Turbo Legacy's are good too, but they are a bit heavier so not as fast in the end.
This is what I would do. Find a late 90's Impreza. Get some good gravel tires, maybe a skid plate and a helmet, and find the closest RallyX event. Go have some fun, talk to people and figure out where to go from there.
It's probably going to cost you more than $3,000 to buy a car, put a proper roll cage and get all the necessary safety equipment, unless you can find a really cheap car and know how to build an approved roll cage yourself.
AWD is much better for rallying, although there are a lot of FWD and RWD cars running, but often in their own classes because they can't keep up with the AWDs (read Subarus ;) ). A 1996 to 1998 Impreza is a great starting point. The Turbo Legacy's are good too, but they are a bit heavier so not as fast in the end.
This is what I would do. Find a late 90's Impreza. Get some good gravel tires, maybe a skid plate and a helmet, and find the closest RallyX event. Go have some fun, talk to people and figure out where to go from there.
| greg donovan | 08-26-2005 08:47 AM |
[QUOTE=gpatmac]I just looked on that website. The 1984 GL's were offered at a 95hp/123tq turbo'd 1.8 liter engine.
I thought that the XT was available with a turbo, too, but not according to that site. He's saying it was only made in 1991, too.:confused:[/QUOTE]
yep thats not totally right.
there were turbo XTs and there were RX turbou sedans and 3door coupes as well as 2 door coupes in the early 80s.
I thought that the XT was available with a turbo, too, but not according to that site. He's saying it was only made in 1991, too.:confused:[/QUOTE]
yep thats not totally right.
there were turbo XTs and there were RX turbou sedans and 3door coupes as well as 2 door coupes in the early 80s.
| Howl | 08-26-2005 08:54 AM |
Rallying in a 1985 Subaru RX:
[IMG]http://www.andrewharvey.ca/images/2005%20GCFR/CRW_8589.jpg[/IMG]
Photograph courtesy of Andrew Harvey. Check out his site. He's one of the best rally photographers out there.
[IMG]http://www.andrewharvey.ca/images/2005%20GCFR/CRW_8589.jpg[/IMG]
Photograph courtesy of Andrew Harvey. Check out his site. He's one of the best rally photographers out there.
| GRMPer | 08-26-2005 10:00 AM |
Interesting camber on that RX. Needs more static negative or is something broken?
| greg donovan | 08-26-2005 10:12 AM |
[QUOTE=GRMPer]Interesting camber on that RX. Needs more static negative or is something broken?[/QUOTE]
that is one of the biggest problems w/the loyale chassis. for some reason they all have horrid amounts of positive camber. not sure what the fix is. and it gets worse if you lift the car even a little bit. i owned a couple of them and they were both like that. made for some very unpleasant handling at the limit.
that is one of the biggest problems w/the loyale chassis. for some reason they all have horrid amounts of positive camber. not sure what the fix is. and it gets worse if you lift the car even a little bit. i owned a couple of them and they were both like that. made for some very unpleasant handling at the limit.
| greg donovan | 08-26-2005 10:16 AM |
[QUOTE=Howl]It's probably going to cost you more than $3,000 to buy a car, put a proper roll cage and get all the necessary safety equipment, unless you can find a really cheap car and know how to build an approved roll cage yourself.
AWD is much better for rallying, although there are a lot of FWD and RWD cars running, but often in their own classes because they can't keep up with the AWDs (read Subarus ;) ). A 1996 to 1998 Impreza is a great starting point. The Turbo Legacy's are good too, but they are a bit heavier so not as fast in the end.
This is what I would do. Find a late 90's Impreza. Get some good gravel tires, maybe a skid plate and a helmet, and find the closest RallyX event. Go have some fun, talk to people and figure out where to go from there. [/QUOTE]
i think he meant 3,000 for the car. which would put him in the ballpark of a 93-95 impreza. probably a 1.8 awd or a very used 2.2 awd.
hard to get by under 7,000 (on top of car cost) to build a rally car yourself. but it can be done. but you better know how to weld good enough to trust your skills with your life.
AWD is much better for rallying, although there are a lot of FWD and RWD cars running, but often in their own classes because they can't keep up with the AWDs (read Subarus ;) ). A 1996 to 1998 Impreza is a great starting point. The Turbo Legacy's are good too, but they are a bit heavier so not as fast in the end.
This is what I would do. Find a late 90's Impreza. Get some good gravel tires, maybe a skid plate and a helmet, and find the closest RallyX event. Go have some fun, talk to people and figure out where to go from there. [/QUOTE]
i think he meant 3,000 for the car. which would put him in the ballpark of a 93-95 impreza. probably a 1.8 awd or a very used 2.2 awd.
hard to get by under 7,000 (on top of car cost) to build a rally car yourself. but it can be done. but you better know how to weld good enough to trust your skills with your life.
| Calamity Jesus | 08-26-2005 10:17 AM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]I'll try to buy a car already set up for rallying, but I don't want to spend over $3000 initially. I'm looking at it being my first car actually, and to come up with the money, I'd be selling a sandrail. I'm thinking maybe an impreza, then have a cage built and go from there. It'd be nice to get a turbo legacy.[/QUOTE]
Rallying is not for you. It's probably the most expensive of all motorsports available for entry-level. There's no way you'll build a rally car for cheaper than you can buy a used one.
Rallying is not for you. It's probably the most expensive of all motorsports available for entry-level. There's no way you'll build a rally car for cheaper than you can buy a used one.
| greg donovan | 08-26-2005 10:23 AM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]Rallying is not for you. It's probably the most expensive of all motorsports available for entry-level. There's no way you'll build a rally car for cheaper than you can buy a used one.[/QUOTE]
there are good used rally cars out there for 3 grand. i could have bought a very good and well sorted class winning G3 sentra for 3 grand last spring.
but the car is not the expensive part. its the travel and enrty fees that will kill you.
but this guy is talking about rally cross. he is just using the term rally too much. at least that is what he said at the end of his first post.
there are good used rally cars out there for 3 grand. i could have bought a very good and well sorted class winning G3 sentra for 3 grand last spring.
but the car is not the expensive part. its the travel and enrty fees that will kill you.
but this guy is talking about rally cross. he is just using the term rally too much. at least that is what he said at the end of his first post.
| Chromer | 08-26-2005 10:38 AM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]Hey, I'm looking at trying rally racing, and I thought that a 1993 to 1998 impreza would make a good start. Would rwd or awd be better for rally? Can you drift an awd? I believe the impreza was offered rwd in 1996? Which years had turbos and was there a model name for them? Can you turbo a non turbo impreza? Are there a lot of aftermarket parts? I'm looking at doing rally cross. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Applicable to RallyX only:
<-- Buy a $200 s***box, bolt a hunk of something under the engine, put the most aggressive tires on it you can afford, and drive the snot out of it. The best mod is tires, and the second best mod is a seat (or harness) that you don't move in. AWD, RWD and FWD are usually separate classes (depends on your region).
Once you can drive the s***box through the courses with no cones and only lifting for hairpins, then you're ready for more power. I'm not ready for more power just yet, and I have < 88hp and have run mid-pack in my class...
Applicable to RallyX only:
<-- Buy a $200 s***box, bolt a hunk of something under the engine, put the most aggressive tires on it you can afford, and drive the snot out of it. The best mod is tires, and the second best mod is a seat (or harness) that you don't move in. AWD, RWD and FWD are usually separate classes (depends on your region).
Once you can drive the s***box through the courses with no cones and only lifting for hairpins, then you're ready for more power. I'm not ready for more power just yet, and I have < 88hp and have run mid-pack in my class...
| RB5 Clone | 08-26-2005 10:40 AM |
[QUOTE=GRMPer]Interesting camber on that RX. Needs more static negative or is something broken?[/QUOTE]
to Per--Photo demonstrates why RX was never a hardcore rally fave--nothing busted, it just has weird front suspension geometry when pushed hard. Those guys from Canada make that old RX go pretty quick, tho.
to OP--You'd be a lot better off starting with a 2.2 AWD Impreza w/close-ratio 5-spd gearbox (2.5 RS and 2.2 5-spd ratios the same) with 4.11 stock limited slip rear diff, and just starting basic mods for rallyX (skid plate, gravel tires or heavy-duty snows) and running a few rallyXes to see if you like it, learn driving on low-grip surfaces, and discover if you have promise as a driver.
If all of the above works out and you like rallyX and have some talent, then you can consider diving off the deep end and going for full performance rally mode.
But beware, rallying is a serious serious money pit. You neeed safety/race mods like cage, race seats, gravel suspension ($4k minimum) rally computer, 5- or 6-point belts, intercom, fuel cell and such. A bare bones but well built rally Impreza will cost you at least $15K US ready to race...but there are lots of associated costs of assembling and running a team. Tools, spare partz, tow vehicle, car trailer, generator and lights for service and that's just a start.
People management is a huge part of the rally-team puzzle You'll need to find a codriver you are willing to literally trust your life to. You'll have to shanghai some mechanically inclined buddies into being your service crew. then you have to somehow convince them to help split some costs if possible.
And THEN you got event costs, generally borne by car owner perhaps with some help from codriver: Entry fee is $500 to $1000+ per race. Motels, food, fuel for the tow rig, yada yada. Each event you run, expect to spend at least another $1500 to $2000. Unless you are financially ready for this sort of commitment, racing a rally car is simply not in the cards..
On the other hand, if you start rallying by codriving, it's a LOT easier, less expensive and less committing. You get the addiction done more slowly this way, but it's just as addictive.
Don't ask me how I learned this stuff. After racing more or less full time for several seasons now, starting as a codriver and now codriver/car owner/driver, I know for a fact that rallying will cost more than you ever dreamed but is worth every penny to those with the right (wrong?) genes..
Dave G
lastditchracing.net
to Per--Photo demonstrates why RX was never a hardcore rally fave--nothing busted, it just has weird front suspension geometry when pushed hard. Those guys from Canada make that old RX go pretty quick, tho.
to OP--You'd be a lot better off starting with a 2.2 AWD Impreza w/close-ratio 5-spd gearbox (2.5 RS and 2.2 5-spd ratios the same) with 4.11 stock limited slip rear diff, and just starting basic mods for rallyX (skid plate, gravel tires or heavy-duty snows) and running a few rallyXes to see if you like it, learn driving on low-grip surfaces, and discover if you have promise as a driver.
If all of the above works out and you like rallyX and have some talent, then you can consider diving off the deep end and going for full performance rally mode.
But beware, rallying is a serious serious money pit. You neeed safety/race mods like cage, race seats, gravel suspension ($4k minimum) rally computer, 5- or 6-point belts, intercom, fuel cell and such. A bare bones but well built rally Impreza will cost you at least $15K US ready to race...but there are lots of associated costs of assembling and running a team. Tools, spare partz, tow vehicle, car trailer, generator and lights for service and that's just a start.
People management is a huge part of the rally-team puzzle You'll need to find a codriver you are willing to literally trust your life to. You'll have to shanghai some mechanically inclined buddies into being your service crew. then you have to somehow convince them to help split some costs if possible.
And THEN you got event costs, generally borne by car owner perhaps with some help from codriver: Entry fee is $500 to $1000+ per race. Motels, food, fuel for the tow rig, yada yada. Each event you run, expect to spend at least another $1500 to $2000. Unless you are financially ready for this sort of commitment, racing a rally car is simply not in the cards..
On the other hand, if you start rallying by codriving, it's a LOT easier, less expensive and less committing. You get the addiction done more slowly this way, but it's just as addictive.
Don't ask me how I learned this stuff. After racing more or less full time for several seasons now, starting as a codriver and now codriver/car owner/driver, I know for a fact that rallying will cost more than you ever dreamed but is worth every penny to those with the right (wrong?) genes..
Dave G
lastditchracing.net
| chevelle100 | 08-26-2005 04:45 PM |
I'm talking about rallycross. I meant about $3000 for the car alone, and I'd go from there if I can't find a car already set up, but I'd like to keep the car to my own specs. I'd also like the car to be street legal as it will be my only car. Im not talking going heavy into this at the get go. Just getting a car capable of it, giving it a shot in a couple of small rallycross events, and seeing what I think. If I decide I really like it, I can get into it farther. As for being a money pit, I'm currently into sandrails. The cheapest you'll be in a comfortable sandrail that you can jump small things with is $25,000, and that's for just the car. With them, things are always going wrong and youre constantly buying, fabricating, and fixing. I have an older cheaper one so I know.
| Calamity Jesus | 08-26-2005 04:55 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]but this guy is talking about rally cross. he is just using the term rally too much. at least that is what he said at the end of his first post.[/QUOTE]
:o I see it now.. In that case..
w0ot! :banana: Following in Per's footsteps and building up a FWD Impreza would be a great place to start.
:o I see it now.. In that case..
w0ot! :banana: Following in Per's footsteps and building up a FWD Impreza would be a great place to start.
| chevelle100 | 08-26-2005 05:01 PM |
Yeah, I think I'll try an awd. I may also try some solo. Is there a good place to look for used rally cars?
| RB5 Clone | 08-26-2005 06:54 PM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]Yeah, I think I'll try an awd. I may also try some solo. Is there a good place to look for used rally cars?[/QUOTE]
[url]www.rallyclassifieds.com[/url]
[url]www.specialstage.com[/url] for sale forum
happy shopping!
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
sandrails? hmmm. then you know the race addiction drill for sure. we got a sandrail staging brake level/master cyl rigged in one of our team cars as a hydraulic handbrake. we call it the "happy handle" and it's awesome to make car rotate when all else fails....
[url]www.rallyclassifieds.com[/url]
[url]www.specialstage.com[/url] for sale forum
happy shopping!
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
sandrails? hmmm. then you know the race addiction drill for sure. we got a sandrail staging brake level/master cyl rigged in one of our team cars as a hydraulic handbrake. we call it the "happy handle" and it's awesome to make car rotate when all else fails....
| chevelle100 | 08-26-2005 10:19 PM |
Yeah you should rig up turn brakes. Separate breaks to each rear wheel. Thanks for the links.
| Geek Guy | 08-27-2005 12:36 AM |
To correct dave, you want [url]www.rallyclassified.com[/url] (note, no S)
| chevelle100 | 08-27-2005 01:15 AM |
What's a good place for performance parts for the nineties subarus?
| greg donovan | 08-27-2005 11:39 AM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]What's a good place for performance parts for the nineties subarus?[/QUOTE]
the common pharse is subarus are like lego.
just google around. it is as simple as using subaru performance parts for a search question.
probably the most reliable place is teagues auto, [url]http://www.boxer4racing.com/[/url]
are you looking for impreza or legacy stuff? most stuff out there is marketed at the impreza but can be made to work on the legacy.
the common pharse is subarus are like lego.
just google around. it is as simple as using subaru performance parts for a search question.
probably the most reliable place is teagues auto, [url]http://www.boxer4racing.com/[/url]
are you looking for impreza or legacy stuff? most stuff out there is marketed at the impreza but can be made to work on the legacy.
| chevelle100 | 08-27-2005 01:40 PM |
Thanks. When I googled it, I got the common sites for auto parts that merely include what you typed in their description and don't really have what you want. I got a response in a separate topic, but thanks. I mostly meant impreza. What would make a better rally car, an impreza or legacy turbo?
| Tensen | 08-27-2005 08:34 PM |
edit:nevermind :)
| greg donovan | 08-28-2005 01:49 AM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]Thanks. When I googled it, I got the common sites for auto parts that merely include what you typed in their description and don't really have what you want. I got a response in a separate topic, but thanks. I mostly meant impreza. What would make a better rally car, an impreza or legacy turbo?[/QUOTE]
while the topic of what makes a better rally car has been beaten to death i still love answering it. why? its the first time you have asked it so its new to you.
while i love my legacy the impreza is by far a better platform for a rally car.
that being said it really depends on what you can get your hands on. if you can find a good solid rust free 90-94 legacy for cheap go for it. but if you can find a better 94-01 impreza for less get that. i would avoid the 95-99 legacy. they are just a bit too big and heavy compared to the 90-94 legacy and the impreza.
most impreza stuff will work on the older legacy.
for more info on the older legacy go to bbs.legacycentral.org
the legacy turbo is a very difficult car to find. i would imagine less than 2,000 exist. some say there are only 600 but we have proven that the numbers for sertain years are wrong so we dont believe any of the numbers.
another thing to remember is that Rally-America does not allow rookies to compete in turbo cars, or AWD cars. it is an insurance/safety thing.
however, you can rallycross a turbo car in the scca rallycros series. but if you wanted to make the jump to stage rally you would have to swap motors or get a N/A 2wd car.
what i would do if i were you and really wanted to rally and rallycross a subaru would be to get a old FWD impreza and run it production or group 2.
FWD subarus are fun to rallycross, i know i rallycrossed a FWD legacy for a few years it was a blast.
rally that for a while.
then if you havent destroyed that yet. convert it to AWD, but keep the ej22 or swap in a ej25. this would stick you in open but it would be fun no matter what. but keep it naturally aspirated. then if you stil havent destroyed it put a WRX motor in it and have a very fun/powerfull open class car.
while the topic of what makes a better rally car has been beaten to death i still love answering it. why? its the first time you have asked it so its new to you.
while i love my legacy the impreza is by far a better platform for a rally car.
that being said it really depends on what you can get your hands on. if you can find a good solid rust free 90-94 legacy for cheap go for it. but if you can find a better 94-01 impreza for less get that. i would avoid the 95-99 legacy. they are just a bit too big and heavy compared to the 90-94 legacy and the impreza.
most impreza stuff will work on the older legacy.
for more info on the older legacy go to bbs.legacycentral.org
the legacy turbo is a very difficult car to find. i would imagine less than 2,000 exist. some say there are only 600 but we have proven that the numbers for sertain years are wrong so we dont believe any of the numbers.
another thing to remember is that Rally-America does not allow rookies to compete in turbo cars, or AWD cars. it is an insurance/safety thing.
however, you can rallycross a turbo car in the scca rallycros series. but if you wanted to make the jump to stage rally you would have to swap motors or get a N/A 2wd car.
what i would do if i were you and really wanted to rally and rallycross a subaru would be to get a old FWD impreza and run it production or group 2.
FWD subarus are fun to rallycross, i know i rallycrossed a FWD legacy for a few years it was a blast.
rally that for a while.
then if you havent destroyed that yet. convert it to AWD, but keep the ej22 or swap in a ej25. this would stick you in open but it would be fun no matter what. but keep it naturally aspirated. then if you stil havent destroyed it put a WRX motor in it and have a very fun/powerfull open class car.
| chevelle100 | 08-28-2005 04:26 PM |
I don't want a fwd, so I think I'll get an awd impreza and run in production and production gt and then maybe open later.
| bjorn240 | 08-28-2005 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]I don't want a fwd, so I think I'll get an awd impreza and run in production and production gt and then maybe open later.[/QUOTE]
AWD Imprezas aren't allowed in P class.
- Christian
AWD Imprezas aren't allowed in P class.
- Christian
| chevelle100 | 08-28-2005 05:06 PM |
Why? The site says 2wd or awd.
| bjorn240 | 08-28-2005 07:54 PM |
Download and read the rulebook. The adjusted displacement of an AWD Impreza is over 2650cc. Ergo, it's a PGT car, not a P car.
- Christian
- Christian
| chevelle100 | 08-28-2005 07:58 PM |
Ah, well that works too.
| greg donovan | 08-29-2005 12:17 AM |
does your sandrail experience official sanctioned racing?
if it does then you can apply for an exemption to run a AWD car as a rookie in a rally america sanctioned event. if not you may not be able to run an AWD car as a rookie in a RA sanctioned event.
NASA does not have such a rule at this time. but they may add it in the future.
dont get too set on one make or model of car. a FWD impreza can be a VERY capable and fun rally car.
there are a few sayings in the rally community:
"never race what you cant afford to have smashed into a little ball of metal."
"its not if you roll but when."
i am not trying to rain on your parade just put your ideas into perspective with regards to stage rally.
of course none of this applies to rallycross. if all you are going to do is rallycross then get a old AWD impreza strip the interior and have some fun.
if it does then you can apply for an exemption to run a AWD car as a rookie in a rally america sanctioned event. if not you may not be able to run an AWD car as a rookie in a RA sanctioned event.
NASA does not have such a rule at this time. but they may add it in the future.
dont get too set on one make or model of car. a FWD impreza can be a VERY capable and fun rally car.
there are a few sayings in the rally community:
"never race what you cant afford to have smashed into a little ball of metal."
"its not if you roll but when."
i am not trying to rain on your parade just put your ideas into perspective with regards to stage rally.
of course none of this applies to rallycross. if all you are going to do is rallycross then get a old AWD impreza strip the interior and have some fun.
| chevelle100 | 08-29-2005 12:28 AM |
Well first I'll do rallycross and then possibly move on later. I don't like the understeer characteristics of high powered fwd cars.
| greg donovan | 08-29-2005 01:05 AM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]Well first I'll do rallycross and then possibly move on later. I don't like the understeer characteristics of high powered fwd cars.[/QUOTE]
the understeer can be worked around w/aligment, suspension setup, and driving skills.
my FWD legacy could be induced to drift and oversteer in the right conditions.
the understeer can be worked around w/aligment, suspension setup, and driving skills.
my FWD legacy could be induced to drift and oversteer in the right conditions.
| chevelle100 | 08-29-2005 12:56 PM |
Well, maybe if I decide to do stage rally, but for my own purposes I'd rather have awd.
| greg donovan | 08-29-2005 02:21 PM |
[QUOTE=chevelle100]Well, maybe if I decide to do stage rally, but for my own purposes I'd rather have awd.[/QUOTE]
that is how i feel as well.
2WD for stage rally but AWD for my daily. i would LOVE a cool RWD car though for rallycross and stage rally. i know i wont win anything so i might as well have fun loosing time being too sideways in front of the spectators.
that is how i feel as well.
2WD for stage rally but AWD for my daily. i would LOVE a cool RWD car though for rallycross and stage rally. i know i wont win anything so i might as well have fun loosing time being too sideways in front of the spectators.
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