| javid | 02-22-2004 08:05 PM |
STI at Road Atlanta
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Went to road atlanta today with some buddies for a track day.
Didn't run my sti but...
got to ride shotgun in a 450 whp supra with full supension and r- compounds and then in an sti with prodrive coilovers, sway bars and brake pads. (stock tires, and stock engine)
While I was in the STI the drivers agreed to shoot it out. The STI was running 1:40s and the supra ran 1:45s. Some of this was driver skill (or conservatism, the guy in the STI drove like a mad man). THe STI definetly handled better and braked WAY better (the supra just had pads and stock sized slotted rotors).
Over all the STI was probably one of the 5 fastest there. 1 of ~10 Z06s ran faster, 1 of 2 twin turbo porches ran quicker, a gutted and full race preped 99 svt corbra could hang with the sti in the corners but easily pulled in the straits. And a HEAVILY modified viper... well, you know.
Cars the sti beat included an RS6, many porches and BMWs both street and race preped, many C5s and z06s, some panoz esprantes (panoz racing school cars).
I think with some r compounds and another 100-150 hp the sti could have given the big boys some trouble.
Riding in the two cars was easily the best time I have had in a while. I was really amazed what the sti could do at the limits with some nice coilovers and pads. Only bad part of the day was discovering that I will HAVE to road race the sti soon.
Didn't run my sti but...
got to ride shotgun in a 450 whp supra with full supension and r- compounds and then in an sti with prodrive coilovers, sway bars and brake pads. (stock tires, and stock engine)
While I was in the STI the drivers agreed to shoot it out. The STI was running 1:40s and the supra ran 1:45s. Some of this was driver skill (or conservatism, the guy in the STI drove like a mad man). THe STI definetly handled better and braked WAY better (the supra just had pads and stock sized slotted rotors).
Over all the STI was probably one of the 5 fastest there. 1 of ~10 Z06s ran faster, 1 of 2 twin turbo porches ran quicker, a gutted and full race preped 99 svt corbra could hang with the sti in the corners but easily pulled in the straits. And a HEAVILY modified viper... well, you know.
Cars the sti beat included an RS6, many porches and BMWs both street and race preped, many C5s and z06s, some panoz esprantes (panoz racing school cars).
I think with some r compounds and another 100-150 hp the sti could have given the big boys some trouble.
Riding in the two cars was easily the best time I have had in a while. I was really amazed what the sti could do at the limits with some nice coilovers and pads. Only bad part of the day was discovering that I will HAVE to road race the sti soon.
| RichQY | 02-22-2004 11:59 PM |
woow. that guy can drive!
| tcarter | 02-23-2004 01:54 AM |
Ummm.. 1:40's.. really? that seems kinda fast for a mostly stock STI. Guys in GT race cars there run 1:37's..
But if it were true 1:40's then that guy was a mad man on the brakes and busted through the corners like nobody's business. :)
But if it were true 1:40's then that guy was a mad man on the brakes and busted through the corners like nobody's business. :)
| afpdl | 02-23-2004 02:06 AM |
Prodrive coilovers:confused: I didnt know they made any that were out yet.
| CoiloverKid | 02-23-2004 04:53 AM |
yeah, active dampening system like the WRC cars. i've seen the prototype car here in irvine and DUDE. SICKNESS.
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 07:31 AM |
Way to play nice, there, Tcarter. :D
1:40 seems pretty optimistic to me...not saying it couldn't happen, but...on street tires?
So...Javid, can we count on you to come out to the next track day and run YOUR car? :banana:
Scott
1:40 seems pretty optimistic to me...not saying it couldn't happen, but...on street tires?
So...Javid, can we count on you to come out to the next track day and run YOUR car? :banana:
Scott
| tcarter | 02-23-2004 09:50 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]Way to play nice, there, Tcarter. :D
1:40 seems pretty optimistic to me...not saying it couldn't happen, but...on street tires?
So...Javid, can we count on you to come out to the next track day and run YOUR car? :banana:
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
:banana: :banana:
I had to ask. Street tires don't grip for crap and unless your running 150 - 160 down the front and back stretch it is hard to get a really good lap time there. Like 1:40 and under. :)
You are either Awesome in the corners - 1:42 - 1:45
You have too much power and no cornering - 1:43 - 1:47
You have both and are a good driver - 1:35 - 1:40
Stock STI... 1:40.. maybe. I have never driven one, so I can't say it is unable to attain that. I just didn't think it had the power to run those times. Hey.. somebody let me drive their STI!!!!! :banana: :alien:
[B]Way to play nice, there, Tcarter. :D
1:40 seems pretty optimistic to me...not saying it couldn't happen, but...on street tires?
So...Javid, can we count on you to come out to the next track day and run YOUR car? :banana:
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
:banana: :banana:
I had to ask. Street tires don't grip for crap and unless your running 150 - 160 down the front and back stretch it is hard to get a really good lap time there. Like 1:40 and under. :)
You are either Awesome in the corners - 1:42 - 1:45
You have too much power and no cornering - 1:43 - 1:47
You have both and are a good driver - 1:35 - 1:40
Stock STI... 1:40.. maybe. I have never driven one, so I can't say it is unable to attain that. I just didn't think it had the power to run those times. Hey.. somebody let me drive their STI!!!!! :banana: :alien:
| javid | 02-23-2004 07:18 PM |
The guy was fast, he was a very experienced driver. Also, the STI was his race car (thats all he used it for) so he punished it out on the course. He has 2000 miles on the potnezas and they are just about spent. You are right about the tires though he could have gone much faster with r compound. He made the tires scream though most of the turns.
"Guys in GT race cars there run 1:37's.."
To my memory SPEED World challenge (2.0L) guys could run 1:35s.
ALMs GT1's could run high 1:20s.
So yes 1:40 is fast. My freinds and I responded the same way you guys did when the driver quoted his best times. However, riding in the STI with the Supra following backed up his claims.
"Prodrive coilovers I didnt know they made any that were out yet."
I believe that he had the standard coilovers not the active dampening. The guy didn't seem to know much about aftermarket car parts (or care for that matter) he said that Jason at SoG spec'ed the coilovers and pads. I plan on contacting Jason, the coilovers were sweet, near zero roll and weren't any harsher than stock on the open road.
"So...Javid, can we count on you to come out to the next track day and run YOUR car? "
I hope to run at the next track day in May. Ideally I will acquire some suspension upgrades before hand.
"I had to ask. Street tires don't grip for crap and unless your running 150 - 160 down the front and back stretch it is hard to get a really good lap time there. Like 1:40 and under. "
True, the STI got up to 150 on the back strait. It hits 105 (4th to 5th shift) just before turn into turn 12. It hit 130 by the end of the front strait and generally started braking at teh 130-140 ft mark into turn one (through which all four wheels screamed though the entire turn. He accelerated all the way through the S's and hit 120 before braking for turn 5. He would use all of 5th gear before breaking for turn 6 and then usually drift through 6 accelerate though 3rd gear and hit the rev limiter for about 1-2 seconds before braking for 7.
By comparison the Supra was running consistant 1:45s and was hitting 160 on the back strait BEFORE he even got to the down hill section. The guy hadn't done any aero work so he refused to go faster than 160 (he never used 6th gear). The supra generally hit 140 at the end of the front strait. Every where else on the track (asside from the front and back straits) the supra was slower than the STI. It ws amazing how much faster the STI could take turn 3 and the S's.
I was also amazed at how the STI could out break fully gutted BMWs and porches at the end of the back strait. ABS hit every time so he could easily break harder if he had stickier tires.
"Guys in GT race cars there run 1:37's.."
To my memory SPEED World challenge (2.0L) guys could run 1:35s.
ALMs GT1's could run high 1:20s.
So yes 1:40 is fast. My freinds and I responded the same way you guys did when the driver quoted his best times. However, riding in the STI with the Supra following backed up his claims.
"Prodrive coilovers I didnt know they made any that were out yet."
I believe that he had the standard coilovers not the active dampening. The guy didn't seem to know much about aftermarket car parts (or care for that matter) he said that Jason at SoG spec'ed the coilovers and pads. I plan on contacting Jason, the coilovers were sweet, near zero roll and weren't any harsher than stock on the open road.
"So...Javid, can we count on you to come out to the next track day and run YOUR car? "
I hope to run at the next track day in May. Ideally I will acquire some suspension upgrades before hand.
"I had to ask. Street tires don't grip for crap and unless your running 150 - 160 down the front and back stretch it is hard to get a really good lap time there. Like 1:40 and under. "
True, the STI got up to 150 on the back strait. It hits 105 (4th to 5th shift) just before turn into turn 12. It hit 130 by the end of the front strait and generally started braking at teh 130-140 ft mark into turn one (through which all four wheels screamed though the entire turn. He accelerated all the way through the S's and hit 120 before braking for turn 5. He would use all of 5th gear before breaking for turn 6 and then usually drift through 6 accelerate though 3rd gear and hit the rev limiter for about 1-2 seconds before braking for 7.
By comparison the Supra was running consistant 1:45s and was hitting 160 on the back strait BEFORE he even got to the down hill section. The guy hadn't done any aero work so he refused to go faster than 160 (he never used 6th gear). The supra generally hit 140 at the end of the front strait. Every where else on the track (asside from the front and back straits) the supra was slower than the STI. It ws amazing how much faster the STI could take turn 3 and the S's.
I was also amazed at how the STI could out break fully gutted BMWs and porches at the end of the back strait. ABS hit every time so he could easily break harder if he had stickier tires.
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 08:08 PM |
Well...I guess the only way we can argue is on the track. Have your buddy bring his STI to the track come May, and you bring yours as well. Tcarter and I will bring our lil' ol' WRX's out and we'll see what's what. :devil:
If your buddy is that good, then I have quite a bit to learn, and so does Tcarter, hehe!!! If your pal can manage 1:40's in a more-or-less stock STI with coilovers, then he needs to be on the World Challenge circuit, cause that's fast as hell, dude.
Can you PM your buddy's name or screen name? I'd like to talk to him about his coilover setup.
TIA,
Scott
If your buddy is that good, then I have quite a bit to learn, and so does Tcarter, hehe!!! If your pal can manage 1:40's in a more-or-less stock STI with coilovers, then he needs to be on the World Challenge circuit, cause that's fast as hell, dude.
Can you PM your buddy's name or screen name? I'd like to talk to him about his coilover setup.
TIA,
Scott
| tcarter | 02-23-2004 08:29 PM |
Sorry. I was referring to GT SCCA club race cars, not the world challenge or the 'big boys'.
I run 1:46's there in a WRX. The mods are exhaust, chip flash, koni inserts, and bigger sways. I ran with Hoosier R3S03's as well.
So here is the deal. I would hit about 115 - 120 on the back stretch. I have stock brakes too, so I brake at the 150 - 200 mark going into 10a on the down hill slope. :)
It will be a different story next time I'm there. I might scare a few of you. :)
New brakes (sdecker knows what brakes. heheh)
And maybe a turbo upgrade. Not sure yet.
I plan on laying the smack down during the next track day I go to on May 8th-9th. I will be there both days. Can't wait.
sdecker... you'll be there right??
I run 1:46's there in a WRX. The mods are exhaust, chip flash, koni inserts, and bigger sways. I ran with Hoosier R3S03's as well.
So here is the deal. I would hit about 115 - 120 on the back stretch. I have stock brakes too, so I brake at the 150 - 200 mark going into 10a on the down hill slope. :)
It will be a different story next time I'm there. I might scare a few of you. :)
New brakes (sdecker knows what brakes. heheh)
And maybe a turbo upgrade. Not sure yet.
I plan on laying the smack down during the next track day I go to on May 8th-9th. I will be there both days. Can't wait.
sdecker... you'll be there right??
| tcarter | 02-23-2004 08:32 PM |
sdecker.. did you just throw the gauntlet? :)
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 08:33 PM |
You know it!
For reference, I can hit 125, sometimes 130 on the back straight if I do 7 just right...
And, in other news, I just spoke with Porter over at SoG and he says this Christian guy is really serious. Maybe we need to hook up with this guy. He either has the Stage 4 ballz kit or he knows lines that we don't know yet. :D
Scott
For reference, I can hit 125, sometimes 130 on the back straight if I do 7 just right...
And, in other news, I just spoke with Porter over at SoG and he says this Christian guy is really serious. Maybe we need to hook up with this guy. He either has the Stage 4 ballz kit or he knows lines that we don't know yet. :D
Scott
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 08:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tcarter [/i]
[B]sdecker.. did you just throw the gauntlet? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
:banana:
[B]sdecker.. did you just throw the gauntlet? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
:banana:
| javid | 02-23-2004 08:35 PM |
sorry for the confusion, this guy is not 'my buddie' he is just some dude that I met at the track day. I got his email and plan to get in touch with him before the next track day (which i think is in may). He is planing to attend as is the supra owner, they both appear to be RA regualars.
Also, this guy didn't seem to give (or know) much info on the coilovers. It seemed like he told Jason to set his car up for the track and adn then wrote him a check. The guy knew what camber he was running (-1.5 frount and -1.2 rear) but didn't comment on spring rates, dampener settings, or sway bar settings. I plan to talk with Jason about the coilovers.
Please don't get the wrong idea, I am not talkin smack about WRX vs STI (or any other car for that matter) and I certainly don't claim to be a race car driver. I just wanted to share my experiance.
Also, this guy didn't seem to give (or know) much info on the coilovers. It seemed like he told Jason to set his car up for the track and adn then wrote him a check. The guy knew what camber he was running (-1.5 frount and -1.2 rear) but didn't comment on spring rates, dampener settings, or sway bar settings. I plan to talk with Jason about the coilovers.
Please don't get the wrong idea, I am not talkin smack about WRX vs STI (or any other car for that matter) and I certainly don't claim to be a race car driver. I just wanted to share my experiance.
| tcarter | 02-23-2004 08:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by javid [/i]
[B]
Please don't get the wrong idea, I am not talkin smack about WRX vs STI (or any other car for that matter) and I certainly don't claim to be a race car driver. I just wanted to share my experiance. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude it don't matter to sdecker and I. :) We talk enough smack around here about RA. It's cool. I just want to be fast and have fun. I race a Mustang and 'play' with my WRX. I just like to mod everything!!!!
If they made an STI with my body style (2002) I would be all over it. I just like the looks of mine better. One day I will gut it and put the heartbeat of an STI in mine. :)
[B]
Please don't get the wrong idea, I am not talkin smack about WRX vs STI (or any other car for that matter) and I certainly don't claim to be a race car driver. I just wanted to share my experiance. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude it don't matter to sdecker and I. :) We talk enough smack around here about RA. It's cool. I just want to be fast and have fun. I race a Mustang and 'play' with my WRX. I just like to mod everything!!!!
If they made an STI with my body style (2002) I would be all over it. I just like the looks of mine better. One day I will gut it and put the heartbeat of an STI in mine. :)
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 09:27 PM |
Yeah, Javid -- it's no big deal. I honestly want to meet both you and this cat Christian. It would be nice to have more than 2 Scoobies in a 100 car field for a change. :rolleyes:
Tcarter and I are just jealous, that's all. If this dude knows how to run 1:40's then we all have a lot to learn from him. So, make sure you hook up with him and get him to come back in May. Now *that* would rock. A couple STi's and a couple of STi-wanna-be WRX's. Hell yeah.
Oh Todd, by the way -- I agree with you 100 percent. I wasn't big on the bug eye look until I saw the new front end. Now I think the 02 is much better looking IMHO.
See you guys out there!
Scott
Tcarter and I are just jealous, that's all. If this dude knows how to run 1:40's then we all have a lot to learn from him. So, make sure you hook up with him and get him to come back in May. Now *that* would rock. A couple STi's and a couple of STi-wanna-be WRX's. Hell yeah.
Oh Todd, by the way -- I agree with you 100 percent. I wasn't big on the bug eye look until I saw the new front end. Now I think the 02 is much better looking IMHO.
See you guys out there!
Scott
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 09:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tcarter [/i]
[B]So here is the deal. I would hit about 115 - 120 on the back stretch. I have stock brakes too, so I brake at the 150 - 200 mark going into 10a on the down hill slope. :)
It will be a different story next time I'm there. I might scare a few of you. :)
New brakes (sdecker knows what brakes. heheh)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will have to completely re-learn all your braking points. For me, stock brakes = 170 mark at 10A. TWR 4 pot fronts = 115-120 mark. :eek:
HUGE difference. Not to mention no fade at all. If you don't add 2 seconds a lap I'd be surprised. I know how you drive, you freak. :lol:
Scott
[B]So here is the deal. I would hit about 115 - 120 on the back stretch. I have stock brakes too, so I brake at the 150 - 200 mark going into 10a on the down hill slope. :)
It will be a different story next time I'm there. I might scare a few of you. :)
New brakes (sdecker knows what brakes. heheh)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, and you will have to completely re-learn all your braking points. For me, stock brakes = 170 mark at 10A. TWR 4 pot fronts = 115-120 mark. :eek:
HUGE difference. Not to mention no fade at all. If you don't add 2 seconds a lap I'd be surprised. I know how you drive, you freak. :lol:
Scott
| javid | 02-23-2004 09:39 PM |
"he says this Christian guy is really serious."
Now that I look at the email adrress he gave me, his name is Christain. He was very serious and very confident in himself and his driving. He came off as errogant to a number of drivers, including my friends and I.
Anyways I plan to attend both Sat and Sun, too. A friend of my buddies will probably be there driving a race preped 3 series BMW. They have a nice 5th wheel so we will probably camp near them. Are you guys camping or hittin a hotel?
Now that I look at the email adrress he gave me, his name is Christain. He was very serious and very confident in himself and his driving. He came off as errogant to a number of drivers, including my friends and I.
Anyways I plan to attend both Sat and Sun, too. A friend of my buddies will probably be there driving a race preped 3 series BMW. They have a nice 5th wheel so we will probably camp near them. Are you guys camping or hittin a hotel?
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 09:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by javid [/i]
[BAre you guys camping or hittin a hotel? [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
I live next door to the track.
:banana:
[BAre you guys camping or hittin a hotel? [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
I live next door to the track.
:banana:
| tcarter | 02-23-2004 10:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by javid [/i]
[B]
Anyways I plan to attend both Sat and Sun, too. A friend of my buddies will probably be there driving a race preped 3 series BMW. They have a nice 5th wheel so we will probably camp near them. Are you guys camping or hittin a hotel? [/B][/QUOTE]
I will be in a Hotel. :alien:
[B]
Anyways I plan to attend both Sat and Sun, too. A friend of my buddies will probably be there driving a race preped 3 series BMW. They have a nice 5th wheel so we will probably camp near them. Are you guys camping or hittin a hotel? [/B][/QUOTE]
I will be in a Hotel. :alien:
| sdecker | 02-23-2004 11:08 PM |
I'd put you guys up, but well...there's 4 of us here in a 3 bedroom already...plus there's no place to turn Todd's big ass trailer around. :D
| javid | 02-24-2004 01:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]:lol: :lol:
I live next door to the track.
:banana: [/B][/QUOTE]
Nice.
[B]:lol: :lol:
I live next door to the track.
:banana: [/B][/QUOTE]
Nice.
| tcarter | 02-24-2004 02:01 AM |
Man.. Hearing that an STI with a good driver can turn 1:40's makes me think harder about getting one now. I will see what the turbo/injector/fuel pump/chip reflash will get me and I will go from there.
Just hate to try and sell/part/trade in my car right now. It would be a 10K - 12K difference for the STI and I can do way more in mods for that kind of money that would put me at or above an STI. When my tranny takes a dump I'm not fixing it. :) I will be replacing it and the motor with an STI donor tranny/motor. :) that will be sweeeeeet.
Just hate to try and sell/part/trade in my car right now. It would be a 10K - 12K difference for the STI and I can do way more in mods for that kind of money that would put me at or above an STI. When my tranny takes a dump I'm not fixing it. :) I will be replacing it and the motor with an STI donor tranny/motor. :) that will be sweeeeeet.
| sdecker | 02-24-2004 07:43 AM |
I say 'go for it' Todd. Cusco Zero 2R, or better. Do lots of homework first and make sure you have access to a competent suspension guy and a set of scales to corner weight with.
As I've mentioned before, a street-tired WRX with a poorly tuned set of Tein Flex, in the hands of an expert, did 1:47-ish at Road Atlanta. I was there when it happened. So it shouldn't be impossible to get down to 1:40-ish, although it would take great skills and big $$$.
Pick out your coils and bring the car down. We'll put them on. :D
As I've mentioned before, a street-tired WRX with a poorly tuned set of Tein Flex, in the hands of an expert, did 1:47-ish at Road Atlanta. I was there when it happened. So it shouldn't be impossible to get down to 1:40-ish, although it would take great skills and big $$$.
Pick out your coils and bring the car down. We'll put them on. :D
| Porter | 02-24-2004 02:32 PM |
Hey guys,
This is Porter from Subaru of Gwinnett... I set the car up here at the shop for Christian.
It has JIC FLT-A2 race spec coilovers, Carbotech Panther XP+ pads, Motul RBF600 fluid, STi rear strut tower bar, and some special recipe sway bar love.
The alignment is also a special homebrew I put together. :D
If anyone wants more information on the products or services that we carry here at SoG, please feel free to give me a call or drop me an email. The dyno is turning and we offer full cornerbalancing and race alignment services.
Thanks!
Jason Porter
Driven4 Performance @ SoG
Subaru of Gwinnett-Atlanta
678-584-7240
[email][email�protected][/email]
This is Porter from Subaru of Gwinnett... I set the car up here at the shop for Christian.
It has JIC FLT-A2 race spec coilovers, Carbotech Panther XP+ pads, Motul RBF600 fluid, STi rear strut tower bar, and some special recipe sway bar love.
The alignment is also a special homebrew I put together. :D
If anyone wants more information on the products or services that we carry here at SoG, please feel free to give me a call or drop me an email. The dyno is turning and we offer full cornerbalancing and race alignment services.
Thanks!
Jason Porter
Driven4 Performance @ SoG
Subaru of Gwinnett-Atlanta
678-584-7240
[email][email�protected][/email]
| RaceComp Engineering | 02-24-2004 03:40 PM |
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I have been following this thread and yes I too think 1:40 is fast for a stock STI,.but if properly set up, and driver is skilled,.it could be done. Wont dip much lower,..but 1:40 is possible.
My Panoz school car went a 1:43 in October 2002. It was lightly raining in the early school race, once there was a dryline, it was fine. A 1:43 in those cars( school cars) is 128 mph down the long straight , braking @ 150ft, turn in for turn 10 and full throttle thru 11 crest the hill commited, still full throttle, down thru 12 and shift into 5th 10ft before start finish line. Still full throttle , 1-1000-2 brake for turn one, 4th gear drifting thru 1, line up the telephone poll at the top of the hill, stabb the brakes, turn in for 2-3, .....and so on.................a school car gets 1:43s' with drama, and those weak p7000s' ( no "r" compound in 2002) no abs, no power steering, no power brakes. 2500 lb car with 250 hp, and a TALL 5th gear. Brembo 4 piston Gran turismo brakes front and rear.
So could a 3300 lb STi with 300 hp, and 6 speeds, tight ratio, and brakes and 2.5 front camber and good caster, with an experienced driver do a 1:40,...YEPP,.all day long. Esp since the STi has stupid mid range torque, and the brakes are very capable when messaged. Its good to see someone else out there is making people take notice of a super car is the making. Who ever that drivers was/is..great drive !!
944 turbo guy
My Panoz school car went a 1:43 in October 2002. It was lightly raining in the early school race, once there was a dryline, it was fine. A 1:43 in those cars( school cars) is 128 mph down the long straight , braking @ 150ft, turn in for turn 10 and full throttle thru 11 crest the hill commited, still full throttle, down thru 12 and shift into 5th 10ft before start finish line. Still full throttle , 1-1000-2 brake for turn one, 4th gear drifting thru 1, line up the telephone poll at the top of the hill, stabb the brakes, turn in for 2-3, .....and so on.................a school car gets 1:43s' with drama, and those weak p7000s' ( no "r" compound in 2002) no abs, no power steering, no power brakes. 2500 lb car with 250 hp, and a TALL 5th gear. Brembo 4 piston Gran turismo brakes front and rear.
So could a 3300 lb STi with 300 hp, and 6 speeds, tight ratio, and brakes and 2.5 front camber and good caster, with an experienced driver do a 1:40,...YEPP,.all day long. Esp since the STi has stupid mid range torque, and the brakes are very capable when messaged. Its good to see someone else out there is making people take notice of a super car is the making. Who ever that drivers was/is..great drive !!
944 turbo guy
| TreyS | 02-24-2004 03:47 PM |
I was on my way to RA and 85N was a parking lot! :furious:
I turned around and went back to the house.
See you guys in May. :cool:
I turned around and went back to the house.
See you guys in May. :cool:
| Skullskidr | 02-24-2004 06:42 PM |
[QUOTE] Hey.. somebody let me drive their STI!!!!! [/QUOTE]
I told you to come to Athens or we could get hooked up at Road Atlanta and you could drive mine!!!
Treatin' me like a crew member chump as usual!!!:lol:
I told you to come to Athens or we could get hooked up at Road Atlanta and you could drive mine!!!
Treatin' me like a crew member chump as usual!!!:lol:
| tcarter | 02-24-2004 09:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Skullskidr [/i]
[B]I told you to come to Athens or we could get hooked up at Road Atlanta and you could drive mine!!!
Treatin' me like a crew member chump as usual!!!:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Come out to the race at Road Atlanta on March 6-7. :)
[B]I told you to come to Athens or we could get hooked up at Road Atlanta and you could drive mine!!!
Treatin' me like a crew member chump as usual!!!:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Come out to the race at Road Atlanta on March 6-7. :)
| sdecker | 02-25-2004 07:24 AM |
Re: ROAD ATLANTA
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RaceComp Engineering [/i]
[B]My Panoz school car went a 1:43 in October 2002. It was lightly raining in the early school race, once there was a dryline, it was fine. A 1:43 in those cars( school cars) is 128 mph down the long straight , braking @ 150ft, turn in for turn 10 and full throttle thru 11 crest the hill commited, still full throttle, down thru 12 and shift into 5th 10ft before start finish line. Still full throttle , 1-1000-2 brake for turn one, 4th gear drifting thru 1, line up the telephone poll at the top of the hill, stabb the brakes, turn in for 2-3, .....and so on.................a school car gets 1:43s' with drama, and those weak p7000s' ( no "r" compound in 2002) no abs, no power steering, no power brakes. 2500 lb car with 250 hp, and a TALL 5th gear. Brembo 4 piston Gran turismo brakes front and rear.
944 turbo guy [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, I've both ridden in them as a passenger of Eric Foss and had them around/behind me on track. My ~290 hp WRX could keep a lead down the back straight (but not really pull). In fact, Todd Carter was riding in my car for one such occurrence and there's a video floating around somewhere...
In my ride alongs, I was surprised that they couldn't really much exceed 125. I had in my mind that they would go much faster in the straights, but nope! However, the huge difference between those school cars and most street cars is the amount of cornering grip they can generate. They are much more rigid and have optimized suspension setups for Road Atlanta, so they annihilate most street cars in the corners.
Interesting comment about braking at the 150 mark...I can brake at ~120 on R compounds in my WRX, by comparison. When I first saw that 150, I was :confused: but then I read your description again. 150 mark ain't bad at all considering the lack of 'aids'.
Someone, anyone, please bring a well set up, well driven STI to the track. It's past time for Subarus to be out showing 'better' cars what they can do. :D
Scott
[B]My Panoz school car went a 1:43 in October 2002. It was lightly raining in the early school race, once there was a dryline, it was fine. A 1:43 in those cars( school cars) is 128 mph down the long straight , braking @ 150ft, turn in for turn 10 and full throttle thru 11 crest the hill commited, still full throttle, down thru 12 and shift into 5th 10ft before start finish line. Still full throttle , 1-1000-2 brake for turn one, 4th gear drifting thru 1, line up the telephone poll at the top of the hill, stabb the brakes, turn in for 2-3, .....and so on.................a school car gets 1:43s' with drama, and those weak p7000s' ( no "r" compound in 2002) no abs, no power steering, no power brakes. 2500 lb car with 250 hp, and a TALL 5th gear. Brembo 4 piston Gran turismo brakes front and rear.
944 turbo guy [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, I've both ridden in them as a passenger of Eric Foss and had them around/behind me on track. My ~290 hp WRX could keep a lead down the back straight (but not really pull). In fact, Todd Carter was riding in my car for one such occurrence and there's a video floating around somewhere...
In my ride alongs, I was surprised that they couldn't really much exceed 125. I had in my mind that they would go much faster in the straights, but nope! However, the huge difference between those school cars and most street cars is the amount of cornering grip they can generate. They are much more rigid and have optimized suspension setups for Road Atlanta, so they annihilate most street cars in the corners.
Interesting comment about braking at the 150 mark...I can brake at ~120 on R compounds in my WRX, by comparison. When I first saw that 150, I was :confused: but then I read your description again. 150 mark ain't bad at all considering the lack of 'aids'.
Someone, anyone, please bring a well set up, well driven STI to the track. It's past time for Subarus to be out showing 'better' cars what they can do. :D
Scott
| RaceComp Engineering | 02-25-2004 10:41 AM |
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Eric Foss,..was my instructor that weekend !! Great guy,..veyr fast and he and I spent alot of time taklking about and speculating on the STI and when it was coming and so on. That 150mark is drama in those cars, and thats carrying brake to about the apex in 10!! and gettin on the gas from there on.....
Next time you talk to Eric, tell him Myles said hi..
944 turbo guy
Next time you talk to Eric, tell him Myles said hi..
944 turbo guy
| sdecker | 02-25-2004 11:10 AM |
Yep, Eric is definitely fast!
I'll let him know you said 'howdy'. :D
Scott
I'll let him know you said 'howdy'. :D
Scott
| Penguinking | 02-25-2004 11:36 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tcarter [/i]
[B]Come out to the race at Road Atlanta on March 6-7. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
will you be running in the race? i have that weekend free...might just show up to watch the fun :cool:
scott, will you be going?
[B]Come out to the race at Road Atlanta on March 6-7. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
will you be running in the race? i have that weekend free...might just show up to watch the fun :cool:
scott, will you be going?
| sdecker | 02-25-2004 11:41 AM |
Ummm...maybe. I'm assuming it's an SCCA regional/national event, haven't checked. The problem is I'll be doing motorsports for the next two weekends running (autox, track day)...so the SO might not take kindly to it. However, if I take my 10 year old, I can probably get away with it. :D
Fortunately, he's all good with cars and racing. I'll let you know as we get closer.
Scott
PS -- if Tcarter is racing this time out, he usually needs some pit help...
Fortunately, he's all good with cars and racing. I'll let you know as we get closer.
Scott
PS -- if Tcarter is racing this time out, he usually needs some pit help...
| tcarter | 02-25-2004 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]
PS -- if Tcarter is racing this time out, he usually needs some pit help... [/B][/QUOTE]
I will be racing. I pretty much have the pit help taken care of, but fans are always welcome! :)
[B]
PS -- if Tcarter is racing this time out, he usually needs some pit help... [/B][/QUOTE]
I will be racing. I pretty much have the pit help taken care of, but fans are always welcome! :)
| sdecker | 02-25-2004 01:46 PM |
Oh, great! That means I can drink all the adult beverages this time. ;)
I'll try to make it. Will you be in the #89 AS car again?
Scott
I'll try to make it. Will you be in the #89 AS car again?
Scott
| javid | 02-26-2004 07:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Porter [/i]
[B]Hey guys,
This is Porter from Subaru of Gwinnett... I set the car up here at the shop for Christian.
It has JIC FLT-A2 race spec coilovers, Carbotech Panther XP+ pads, Motul RBF600 fluid, STi rear strut tower bar, and some special recipe sway bar love.
The alignment is also a special homebrew I put together. :D
If anyone wants more information on the products or services that we carry here at SoG, please feel free to give me a call or drop me an email. The dyno is turning and we offer full cornerbalancing and race alignment services.
Thanks!
Jason Porter
Driven4 Performance @ SoG
Subaru of Gwinnett-Atlanta
678-584-7240
[email][email�protected][/email] [/B][/QUOTE]
Email sent.
[B]Hey guys,
This is Porter from Subaru of Gwinnett... I set the car up here at the shop for Christian.
It has JIC FLT-A2 race spec coilovers, Carbotech Panther XP+ pads, Motul RBF600 fluid, STi rear strut tower bar, and some special recipe sway bar love.
The alignment is also a special homebrew I put together. :D
If anyone wants more information on the products or services that we carry here at SoG, please feel free to give me a call or drop me an email. The dyno is turning and we offer full cornerbalancing and race alignment services.
Thanks!
Jason Porter
Driven4 Performance @ SoG
Subaru of Gwinnett-Atlanta
678-584-7240
[email][email�protected][/email] [/B][/QUOTE]
Email sent.
| tcarter | 02-26-2004 10:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]Oh, great! That means I can drink all the adult beverages this time. ;)
I'll try to make it. Will you be in the #89 AS car again?
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Close.. You must have been drinking too much. :) #78 AS. :)
[B]Oh, great! That means I can drink all the adult beverages this time. ;)
I'll try to make it. Will you be in the #89 AS car again?
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Close.. You must have been drinking too much. :) #78 AS. :)
| sdecker | 02-27-2004 09:19 AM |
Hey, I was only one number off!!!
I'll cruise by and see you next weekend...
I'll cruise by and see you next weekend...
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