| Bankheist | 11-26-2002 06:09 PM |
Subaru sponsored, subaru only autocross?
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How does the sound of a Subaru sponsored, Subaru only, Subaru Autocross Competition sound?
Well that's an idea that has been brought forth to me to help coordinate.
The idea is to have it in North Texas.... Dallas/Ft Worth to be specific, at Texas Motor Speedway perhaps in late April of 2003.
Centrally located to the Southern USA, we can feasibly bring in members from both coasts and most of the middle of the country... this would be awesome.
The event itself would be spread out over 3 days... two days of autocrossing, 2 cookouts, one car show, many trophies, plenty of rivalry and camaraderie, and most importantly... FUN!
-Kevin Heist
Well that's an idea that has been brought forth to me to help coordinate.
The idea is to have it in North Texas.... Dallas/Ft Worth to be specific, at Texas Motor Speedway perhaps in late April of 2003.
Centrally located to the Southern USA, we can feasibly bring in members from both coasts and most of the middle of the country... this would be awesome.
The event itself would be spread out over 3 days... two days of autocrossing, 2 cookouts, one car show, many trophies, plenty of rivalry and camaraderie, and most importantly... FUN!
-Kevin Heist
| Subie Gal | 11-26-2002 06:14 PM |
SOA is gonna put this on?
or?
do you have organizers?
sounds like a great idea! :)
jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
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or?
do you have organizers?
sounds like a great idea! :)
jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
[COLOR=blue][SIZE=1]visit the SubieGal Rally forums[/SIZE] [/COLOR]
| Bankheist | 11-26-2002 06:18 PM |
Jamie (and everyone),
the idea is, that SOA will support this similar to the Jacksonville event last month.
However, a local autocross club here would handle the T/S and other critical functions.
the idea is, that SOA will support this similar to the Jacksonville event last month.
However, a local autocross club here would handle the T/S and other critical functions.
| KC | 11-26-2002 06:56 PM |
I'm very supportive of having a Subaru auto-x. What's SOA's plans for having these over the course of the year? There was one last month in FL. April may be in TX. Any other dates/locations planned for 2003? TX is quite a bit far away from MA.
I along with others who drive Scoobies plan their vacations around Tours/Pros sometimes... especially the 9 days for the Pro Finale/Championships in Topeka in September.
Speaking about Tours/Pros... here's what's going on in April... and the fact that they're all happening relatively locally would you want a MONTH of auto-x filled up every weekend?
Apr 5-6 Houston, TX Tour
Apr 12-13 Dallas, TX Pro
Apr 26-27 Topeka, KS Pro
That's quite a bit going on in April in your general area Bankheist. :)
--kC
I along with others who drive Scoobies plan their vacations around Tours/Pros sometimes... especially the 9 days for the Pro Finale/Championships in Topeka in September.
Speaking about Tours/Pros... here's what's going on in April... and the fact that they're all happening relatively locally would you want a MONTH of auto-x filled up every weekend?
Apr 5-6 Houston, TX Tour
Apr 12-13 Dallas, TX Pro
Apr 26-27 Topeka, KS Pro
That's quite a bit going on in April in your general area Bankheist. :)
--kC
| Orion | 11-26-2002 06:58 PM |
Kevin -
The only problem I see is that a large number of Houston, Austin, or San Antonio participants may not want to drive all the way up to TMS, especially since it's on the far side of DFW from down here. I think you'd get more Subies from those 3 cities and Louisiana if you picked Houston or Austin. Houston's great b/c we can handle the numbers at any one of 3 locations, but Austin may be a better logistical location to optimize participation. Don't know much about their sites though. Honestly I think we have far more autox regulars in this area than you have in the DFW & OKC areas. In Houston alone we have 20+ Subies on average at SCCA events. No offense to TX Reg or Equipe Rapide, but the numbers there just aren't as big yet.
Anyway, I'm sad this is happening after I'm leaving. You know I'd be all over it!!! Maybe we'll get lucky and have enough Subies in the CenDiv to have one up in the Midwest (OH, MI, IN, IL).
The only problem I see is that a large number of Houston, Austin, or San Antonio participants may not want to drive all the way up to TMS, especially since it's on the far side of DFW from down here. I think you'd get more Subies from those 3 cities and Louisiana if you picked Houston or Austin. Houston's great b/c we can handle the numbers at any one of 3 locations, but Austin may be a better logistical location to optimize participation. Don't know much about their sites though. Honestly I think we have far more autox regulars in this area than you have in the DFW & OKC areas. In Houston alone we have 20+ Subies on average at SCCA events. No offense to TX Reg or Equipe Rapide, but the numbers there just aren't as big yet.
Anyway, I'm sad this is happening after I'm leaving. You know I'd be all over it!!! Maybe we'll get lucky and have enough Subies in the CenDiv to have one up in the Midwest (OH, MI, IN, IL).
| Orion | 11-26-2002 07:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
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Speaking about Tours/Pros... here's what's going on in April... and the fact that they're all happening relatively locally would you want a MONTH of auto-x filled up every weekend?
Apr 5-6 Houston, TX Tour
Apr 12-13 Dallas, TX Pro
Apr 26-27 Topeka, KS Pro
That's quite a bit going on in April in your general area Bankheist. :)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Ouch! HouSCCA also will be putting on a Mustang only autocross sometime in there too. Looks like Houston's out.
kC - I say we get the ball rolling on a CenDiv or NEDiv Subie only affair! In the time it takes me to get to Dallas I can be back and forth to Peru 2x!
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Speaking about Tours/Pros... here's what's going on in April... and the fact that they're all happening relatively locally would you want a MONTH of auto-x filled up every weekend?
Apr 5-6 Houston, TX Tour
Apr 12-13 Dallas, TX Pro
Apr 26-27 Topeka, KS Pro
That's quite a bit going on in April in your general area Bankheist. :)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Ouch! HouSCCA also will be putting on a Mustang only autocross sometime in there too. Looks like Houston's out.
kC - I say we get the ball rolling on a CenDiv or NEDiv Subie only affair! In the time it takes me to get to Dallas I can be back and forth to Peru 2x!
| Bankheist | 11-26-2002 07:10 PM |
This is some good discussion! I think that, based on what I heard from the folks that ran the southeast event, the location should work fine. For the most part the participants in the SouthEast event where not National regulars. Although the end of April was an Idea that came from the fact that there was going to be some National activity nearby. This may turn into early May. I think it would be great if we could get a big draw from all over the country. I know that there where several people who came from North Carolina and Virginia to run the Southeast event. Thats a Hike!
-Kevin Heist
-Kevin Heist
| ChrisDP | 11-26-2002 07:24 PM |
NC had a strong turnout. Virginia's turnout was a little skewed, since Ralph happens to live in VA and helped put the whole thing together, while I attend school in Florida 5-6 hours south of Jacksonville. But the point remains... the event in Jax was a BLAST, and it would be well worth it to anyone to attend a similar event elsewhere.
| jmott | 11-26-2002 07:57 PM |
sounds kinda boring to me actually
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| Bankheist | 11-26-2002 08:50 PM |
Jack, are you afraid someone you have never heard of from North Carolina is going to come out and school you?
just kidding of course, but what is so boring about getting 125 or so Subies together from all over the country for an A/X?
-Kevin
just kidding of course, but what is so boring about getting 125 or so Subies together from all over the country for an A/X?
-Kevin
| Porter | 11-27-2002 12:39 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bankheist [/i]
[B]just kidding of course, but what is so boring about getting 125 or so Subies together from all over the country for an A/X?
-Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
That's the same question I asked about the Deal's Gap meet last year. :rolleyes:
The autocross sounds great! Best of luck in organizing it... If I don't have a work conflict I may come all the way out there for it from South Carolina.
[B]just kidding of course, but what is so boring about getting 125 or so Subies together from all over the country for an A/X?
-Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
That's the same question I asked about the Deal's Gap meet last year. :rolleyes:
The autocross sounds great! Best of luck in organizing it... If I don't have a work conflict I may come all the way out there for it from South Carolina.
| jmott | 11-27-2002 08:57 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bankheist [/i]
[B]Jack, are you afraid someone you have never heard of from North Carolina is going to come out and school you?
just kidding of course, but what is so boring about getting 125 or so Subies together from all over the country for an A/X?
-Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I like all cars =)
subaru should invite other makes out there too.
make it more of a subaru challenge rather than a masturbatory event =)
[B]Jack, are you afraid someone you have never heard of from North Carolina is going to come out and school you?
just kidding of course, but what is so boring about getting 125 or so Subies together from all over the country for an A/X?
-Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I like all cars =)
subaru should invite other makes out there too.
make it more of a subaru challenge rather than a masturbatory event =)
| 8Complex | 11-27-2002 09:38 AM |
Well... it would be interesting, but I've been cursed from driving through Texas without any problems, and my car will be in a questionable state of preparation for most of next year unless I run into a lot of cash quick.
| Opie | 11-27-2002 11:24 AM |
Keep us all posted, the event in Jacksonville was a huge success and fun for everyone who attended. SOA SE-Region sure did a great job in organizing and pulling the event off, similar to the event that was held in the NW a month or so ago with the Rally cars, old school crowd and everything. Hopefully SOA will be doing more of these around the country in 2003 so everyone has a chance to participate. :D
| Gspot | 11-27-2002 12:12 PM |
so SOA sponsors these, and are actually present at the events? Do they keep track of all the cars so they know who's warranty to void?
| KC | 11-27-2002 02:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Gspot [/i]
[B]so SOA sponsors these, and are actually present at the events? Do they keep track of all the cars so they know who's warranty to void? [/B][/QUOTE]Gspot... SOA isn't voiding warranties. If they were, most of us would know 1st hand.
Where'd you get that idea from?
--kC
[B]so SOA sponsors these, and are actually present at the events? Do they keep track of all the cars so they know who's warranty to void? [/B][/QUOTE]Gspot... SOA isn't voiding warranties. If they were, most of us would know 1st hand.
Where'd you get that idea from?
--kC
| Draken | 11-27-2002 02:41 PM |
>so SOA sponsors these, and are actually present at the events? Do they keep track of all the cars so they know who's warranty to void?<
I would be especially worried that they will void the warranty on your '93 Probe. I wouldn't show up if I were you...
We just had a track day at Portland International Raceway, put on by Subaru. We were reassured by Subaru they were not noting VIN numbers, not voiding warranties etc.
Chris H.
[url]www.subrew.com[/url]
I would be especially worried that they will void the warranty on your '93 Probe. I wouldn't show up if I were you...
We just had a track day at Portland International Raceway, put on by Subaru. We were reassured by Subaru they were not noting VIN numbers, not voiding warranties etc.
Chris H.
[url]www.subrew.com[/url]
| Opie | 11-27-2002 02:47 PM |
I know for a fact that SOA was not noting anybody's VIN, or information at the Jacksonville event. They were all actually very interested in seeing what we do with our cars, finding out what are concerns we had, finding out what we would like to see in new models or parts availibility. Look at it this way, SOA sponsors an event and can get better information from the attendies than any corporate focus group could give them. It's a win win situation and it's a lot of fun.
| Bankheist | 11-28-2002 03:30 PM |
I think it would be really good for all of the people who couldnt make it to Jacksonville because of distance to come here.
Feasibly, We can attract members from the SouthWest, Colorado, Midwast, all the way to North Carolina.
Texas really isnt that far for all those areas... especially for something on this sort of magnitude :D
-Kevin
Feasibly, We can attract members from the SouthWest, Colorado, Midwast, all the way to North Carolina.
Texas really isnt that far for all those areas... especially for something on this sort of magnitude :D
-Kevin
| KC | 11-28-2002 04:04 PM |
Kevin,
Checked your PMs recently? :)
Checked your PMs recently? :)
| Bankheist | 11-29-2002 12:39 PM |
i wrote you back KC
| enTarget | 11-29-2002 07:32 PM |
Recently at a meet in Atlanta, we were treated to a walkthru of the SOA warehouse and a group discussion of the Jacksonville meet. The reception that they got from the Jacksonville event was surprising and from the conversations that were had SOA appears to be interested in sponsoring more of these events. Hopefully the powers that be will see this thread and contact you.
| Bankheist | 11-30-2002 05:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by enTarget [/i]
[B]Hopefully the powers that be will see this thread and contact you. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bankheist [/i]
[B]Well that's an idea that has been brought forth to me to help coordinate.[/B][/QUOTE]
Already been contacted.... thats why I made this thread :)
[B]Hopefully the powers that be will see this thread and contact you. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bankheist [/i]
[B]Well that's an idea that has been brought forth to me to help coordinate.[/B][/QUOTE]
Already been contacted.... thats why I made this thread :)
| GoodFinder | 12-01-2002 01:05 AM |
Sounds like a lot of fun. But why just limit it to autocross? Let's not forget how awesome the recent SOA event at PIR (Portland International Raceway) was. There were lots of different activities, a lot of people showed up, and everybody had a great time. Here is the link to the primary thread in NWIC:
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[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=254962&referrerid=8943]October 27, 2002 "Taste of Subaru"[/URL]
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At any rate, keep us posted on whether SOA will really take some of the things they observed and liked at PIR and replicate it at TMS. Especially, as soon as you know which weekend this will center around, let us know, so we can reserve our calendars accordingly.
GoodFinder :)
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[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=254962&referrerid=8943]October 27, 2002 "Taste of Subaru"[/URL]
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At any rate, keep us posted on whether SOA will really take some of the things they observed and liked at PIR and replicate it at TMS. Especially, as soon as you know which weekend this will center around, let us know, so we can reserve our calendars accordingly.
GoodFinder :)
| prochucker | 12-01-2002 09:27 AM |
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I attended the Jacksonville event and it was a blast. I will not be able to make it but encourage anyone that can to do so. The more Subaru drivers that let SOA know what they want from them(SOA), the quicker they will respond to our desires. SOA has been traditionally slow to change. I've had 8 Subies since '87, and now finally Subaru is beginning to address the performance needs of it's customers. Please let SOA know!:D
| paultg | 12-01-2002 11:33 AM |
I read in the December 2002 issue of Grassroots Motorsports (Vol. 19, Number 8) on page 14 (KC, there is a picture of your wagon under the article) that SOA will sponsor the South Jersey Region of the SCCA Subaru SJR Solo II Challenge. It will be a four event series open to all stock, street prepared, prepared, street touring and street mod classes. SOA will offer cash awards to the top five PAX finishers. Events are going to be held at the Camden River Sharks parking lot in Camden NJ. It says remaining dates are Oct. 27 and Nov. 3rd (which seems strange since this was printed in December). Again, this is all according to the article.
Maybe we can get SOA to do something similar for the NER SCCA of the SCCA, and then a combined event for all the marbles?
Paul G. (<--sorry if this is old news)
Maybe we can get SOA to do something similar for the NER SCCA of the SCCA, and then a combined event for all the marbles?
Paul G. (<--sorry if this is old news)
| Gspot | 12-01-2002 09:21 PM |
In defense to my earlier post, its just something I read in Car and Driver. Here's the segment from the article on their "Long Term Test"
[QUOTE]One thing we should note about the warranty: Subaru says it "excludes damage resulting from participation in competition or racing events." That's a reasonable clause, but the WRX comes with a free, yearlong membership to the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). Among the numerous events the SCCA hosts is the Solo II autocross in which unmodified street cars run through a low-speed cone course (max speed is less than 60 mph). These courses are usually set up in parking lots, so there's nothing to run into and the cars go through one at a time. Isn't it safe to assume that a few WRX owners will appreciate the SCCA membership and try out a relatively harmless autocross? Probably. If you're one of them, be wary, as we've heard stories of dealers not honoring warranties if the car has been autocrossed.[/QUOTE]
As a potential WRX owner and autocrosser, I'm just curious.
[QUOTE]One thing we should note about the warranty: Subaru says it "excludes damage resulting from participation in competition or racing events." That's a reasonable clause, but the WRX comes with a free, yearlong membership to the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). Among the numerous events the SCCA hosts is the Solo II autocross in which unmodified street cars run through a low-speed cone course (max speed is less than 60 mph). These courses are usually set up in parking lots, so there's nothing to run into and the cars go through one at a time. Isn't it safe to assume that a few WRX owners will appreciate the SCCA membership and try out a relatively harmless autocross? Probably. If you're one of them, be wary, as we've heard stories of dealers not honoring warranties if the car has been autocrossed.[/QUOTE]
As a potential WRX owner and autocrosser, I'm just curious.
| wrxwannabe | 12-02-2002 08:32 AM |
SOA and The Dealers that made the Jax event were awesome. I think everyone that made it had a good time. Getting a centrally located National Subaru event would be awesome and I sure would take time off work to make it...
Later
Eric
Later
Eric
| Steve '02 WRX | 12-02-2002 10:55 AM |
The Cendiv series has Subaru as a primary sponsor and the SOA rep is encouraging more people to come out. I run a Formula Ford currently but he wants me to run my WRX in the series (not ready to give up the FF, too much fun). I asked him about warranty issues and he claimed autocross wouldn't affect it. Now on the other hand there was a Subaru dealer at one of the series events last year and he stated to me that he would consider your warranty void if you put a catback exhaust on (I didn't even try to set him straight). I think the dealers are the main problem, not SOA. The cases were people have had warranty issues that are not resolved by SOA probably are due to the dealer claiming the car was abused etc and not supporting the customer. The SOA people I have spoke with seem very supportive. I think it all depends on how your dealer supports you. I have no idea how my dealer would be since to this point my car is just my daily driver.
| Porter | 12-02-2002 11:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Steve '02 WRX [/i]
[B]The Cendiv series has Subaru as a primary sponsor and the SOA rep is encouraging more people to come out. I run a Formula Ford currently but he wants me to run my WRX in the series (not ready to give up the FF, too much fun). I asked him about warranty issues and he claimed autocross wouldn't affect it. Now on the other hand there was a Subaru dealer at one of the series events last year and he stated to me that he would consider your warranty void if you put a catback exhaust on (I didn't even try to set him straight). I think the dealers are the main problem, not SOA. The cases were people have had warranty issues that are not resolved by SOA probably are due to the dealer claiming the car was abused etc and not supporting the customer. The SOA people I have spoke with seem very supportive. I think it all depends on how your dealer supports you. I have no idea how my dealer would be since to this point my car is just my daily driver. [/B][/QUOTE]
Too true. The majority of the issues are the result of bad dealership service and a few regional reps who are non-enthusiasts and consider a high number of warranty claim rejections to be good for their numbers at work or something.
Funny that the good dealers don't have a problem filing warranty on lightly modded vehicles... if Subaru were the problem then you wouldn't be able to get service anywhere on a modded vehicle. The problem lies with the dealers and the regional level.
[B]The Cendiv series has Subaru as a primary sponsor and the SOA rep is encouraging more people to come out. I run a Formula Ford currently but he wants me to run my WRX in the series (not ready to give up the FF, too much fun). I asked him about warranty issues and he claimed autocross wouldn't affect it. Now on the other hand there was a Subaru dealer at one of the series events last year and he stated to me that he would consider your warranty void if you put a catback exhaust on (I didn't even try to set him straight). I think the dealers are the main problem, not SOA. The cases were people have had warranty issues that are not resolved by SOA probably are due to the dealer claiming the car was abused etc and not supporting the customer. The SOA people I have spoke with seem very supportive. I think it all depends on how your dealer supports you. I have no idea how my dealer would be since to this point my car is just my daily driver. [/B][/QUOTE]
Too true. The majority of the issues are the result of bad dealership service and a few regional reps who are non-enthusiasts and consider a high number of warranty claim rejections to be good for their numbers at work or something.
Funny that the good dealers don't have a problem filing warranty on lightly modded vehicles... if Subaru were the problem then you wouldn't be able to get service anywhere on a modded vehicle. The problem lies with the dealers and the regional level.
| paultg | 12-02-2002 12:35 PM |
I don't know about you guys, but my WRX came with a free SCCA membership in the glove box, which my salesman spoke about in some detail. I'd be pretty upset to find out Subaru is encouraging this type of event, and then not providing warranty service at the same time. :D
Paul G.
Paul G.
| rlly_wgn | 12-02-2002 07:38 PM |
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I think a one-design auto-X would be a great idea. I love going to events to see what other people are doing to their Sube's.
I would also like to see a SOA sponsered event at VIR EuroRally in Danville VA. They have both a rally course and a gorgeous road course. This venue would highlight the versatility of the Subaru platform. Check it out at [url]www.vireurorally.com[/url]
I would also like to see a SOA sponsered event at VIR EuroRally in Danville VA. They have both a rally course and a gorgeous road course. This venue would highlight the versatility of the Subaru platform. Check it out at [url]www.vireurorally.com[/url]
| gmflex | 12-05-2002 12:11 PM |
I would definitely be up for something like this. We could kick in some sponsorship, perhaps gift certificates for parts or dyno time.
It would be nice to have several different prizes such as Overall, Team Award, etc. for AutoX, Best of Show, Best A/V Systems, Largest Wing :lol:, etc. for the car show.
Jason
FIS
It would be nice to have several different prizes such as Overall, Team Award, etc. for AutoX, Best of Show, Best A/V Systems, Largest Wing :lol:, etc. for the car show.
Jason
FIS
| Tex-WReX | 12-17-2002 10:15 AM |
This should be dome earlier in the year, if possible. It will begin to get a bit toasty by then. How about a road course event? There is an auto cross every month here, so is it really that special?
| TyrannoSullyRex | 12-17-2002 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tex-WReX [/i]
[B]This should be dome earlier in the year, if possible. It will begin to get a bit toasty by then. How about a road course event? There is an auto cross every month here, so is it really that special? [/B][/QUOTE]
You can time an auto-x to determine a winner. You would have significantly less people participating in a track event. The second you start timing a track event (in other words a pseudo Solo1) you can (and will) get some car damage.
[B]This should be dome earlier in the year, if possible. It will begin to get a bit toasty by then. How about a road course event? There is an auto cross every month here, so is it really that special? [/B][/QUOTE]
You can time an auto-x to determine a winner. You would have significantly less people participating in a track event. The second you start timing a track event (in other words a pseudo Solo1) you can (and will) get some car damage.
| Tex-WReX | 12-17-2002 02:20 PM |
That's true. I guess I just need to get my ass to a DE event at Texas World. I have done a couple of CMRA track days on the bike, and it was damn fun!
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