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Suby power at the 25 Hours of Thunderhill part 1

SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 12:32 AM

Suby power at the 25 Hours of Thunderhill
AFTER ROCKY JOURNEY TO MAKE GRID, SAKER TEAM ENCOURAGED BY ON TRACK PACE
Dec. 14, 2004

Subaru powered Saker makes Western Hemisphere debut at the 25 Hours of Thunderhill endurance road race.
Thunderhill Park, Willows, Ca. - Dec. 5, 2004

The Saker SVS GTA made it's Western Hemisphere debut at the 2004 running of the 25 Hours of Thunderhill. While the car did not complete the race (the engine expired after 10 hours / 254 laps), the speed of the car on track left the Saker Motorsports team optomistic about the car's potential in the future.

After battling with setup problems on the car that resulted from an earlier engine testing accident, the team was only able to turn 8 laps on the practice/qualifying day Friday and managed to only qualify 50th out of 59 cars. Not sure if the car would be ready for the race on Saturday morning, the team rallied very early before the race to make enough repairs/corrections to roll out on the grid. Having had no suspension testing or setup and a driver team with virtually no time behind the wheel of the car, the Saker took the green flag with the rest of the field.

Once the green flag fell and driver Ralph Warren was able to get clear of slower traffic, it was evident that the Saker was one of the fastest cars on the track. The Saker turned a 1:58.74 on lap 14 and only 4 teams were able to post a faster lap. The car moved steadily up the field even though the car stopped numerous times to cycle in drivers that were new to the car while it was still daylight.

When evening came, that was when the Saker team really went to work, putting Neal Looney in the car. As other cars slowed for the darkness, the Saker kept putting up laps a few seconds over 2 minutes and there were only 2 cars on the track the Saker could not run down. Reeling in competitors at 10 to 20 seconds per lap, the car was ran as high as 5th before a pit stop to change drivers. Once on the track again, the car had moved back up to 7th and was on a pace to overtake the 3rd place car when the engine retired.

But the Saker Team left with a sense of accomplishment considering the adversity the team faced, how many components had to come together (many never having met each other before that weekend) and how well the car ran with no real setup, sorting or even driver practice. Nick Richards, Saker Marketing Director said later, "I�ve worked with teams under tremendous adversity but I have to tell you, this team was/is one of the most dynamic and effective teams I have ever had the chance to work with."

The Saker Motorsports team was sponsored for the 25 Hours of Thunderhill by Easy Street Motorsports (ESX), Bullet Motorsports, Avon Tyres, Irvine Subaru, B&M Racing, AFE Filters, StickerCity.com, i-club.com, Moton Suspension, Hypercoil Springs, DataLabs, RaceTech, TurboSmart, Casa Ramos Mexican Resturaunt, South Bay BMW, Oakley and Subaru of America

First laps video:

[url]http://www.evosport.com/public/misc/Saker%20-%20First%20Lap%20-%20Medium.wmv[/url]

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812Car_and_Driver_1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812Car_and_Driver_2.jpg[/img]
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 12:33 AM

On track at high speed

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812Saker_at_high_Speed.jpg[/img]
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 12:35 AM

Team Picture

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/8122004_Saker_25_Hour_Team.jpg[/img]
Slack 12-15-2004 01:53 AM

They need to slap a nasioc sticker over that silly i-club one.


Mick
pio!pio! 12-15-2004 02:42 AM

the PR sounds like this "professional race team enters race with no preperation"
I've already read a couple race teams reviews of the 25 hr of thunderhill and a lot say how they didn't even have time to setup the car till they got there, or didn't get a chance to shake down the vehicle etc etc..vishnu only built their evo up in 2 months time..

Doesn't enduro racing require a certain amount of planning and prep? If it's obvious that the chassis/drivers doesn't have enuf shakedown and setup, wouldn't it be better to enter it next year and spend a year gathering data?

it seems like going into anything underprepared is a recipe that should never have happened in the first place
MattDell 12-15-2004 03:12 AM

[QUOTE=Slack]They need to slap a nasioc sticker over that silly i-club one.


Mick[/QUOTE]
w3rd
mr2guru 12-15-2004 05:12 AM

I wonder what kind of motor it was (obviously subaru) and what exactly the failure was.

That car is about the size of a shifterkart with a body :lol:
bemani 12-15-2004 05:31 AM

[QUOTE=pio!pio!]the PR sounds like this "professional race team enters race with no preperation"
I've already read a couple race teams reviews of the 25 hr of thunderhill and a lot say how they didn't even have time to setup the car till they got there, or didn't get a chance to shake down the vehicle etc etc..vishnu only built their evo up in 2 months time..

Doesn't enduro racing require a certain amount of planning and prep? If it's obvious that the chassis/drivers doesn't have enuf shakedown and setup, wouldn't it be better to enter it next year and spend a year gathering data?

it seems like going into anything underprepared is a recipe that should never have happened in the first place[/QUOTE]

Did you see all the stickers on that car? Don't think they'll get anything from sponsors if they wait for next year.
pio!pio! 12-15-2004 06:17 AM

[QUOTE=bemani]Did you see all the stickers on that car? Don't think they'll get anything from sponsors if they wait for next year.[/QUOTE]
true...the press release makes it sound like some of the drivers never turned a wheel in the car before race weekend. it also made it sound like they have never done any private testing
thesmokingman 12-15-2004 08:07 AM

[QUOTE=pio!pio!]true...the press release makes it sound like some of the drivers never turned a wheel in the car before race weekend. it also made it sound like they have never done any private testing[/QUOTE]

What's your point?

[QUOTE=SoCal Scott]But the Saker Team left with a sense of accomplishment considering the adversity the team faced, how many components had to come together (many never having met each other before that weekend) and how well the car ran with no real setup, sorting or even driver practice.[/QUOTE]

Seems pretty obvious to me with this statement. Who cares how much time if any at all they had at prep? They showed that they had speed. Hell, hardly any teams do well the first time out. They had more success in 10 hours than Subaru did all season during their attempt at Formula One, which was about as successful as Ukyo Katayama's whole career... Obviously, they were hurried and had zero prep. I don't know their motivation, but I'm sure they had reasons for pushing to make the race. We know how things should be done, however it doesn't always end up that way.

They showed promise and a lot of potential. That makes everyone happy, including the sponsors.
mturmel 12-15-2004 08:43 AM

Good to see Subaru involvement in road racing. They'll get it right, this seems to be an amazing chassis!

Hey Scott, if you need volunteer to do some lap testing and ring it out, give me a buzz :lol:

When's the next race?

Matt

EDIT: Scott, looking good on the picture :D
Penguinking 12-15-2004 09:24 AM

video link doesnt work
Homemade WRX 12-15-2004 09:37 AM

good job, lets hope she holds to better next time, the engine that is
trojan9x 12-15-2004 09:43 AM

[QUOTE=Penguinking]video link doesnt work[/QUOTE]
don't work here either
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=Slack]They need to slap a nasioc sticker over that silly i-club one.

Mick[/QUOTE]

I tried to contact people here at NASIOC, never heard anything back :confused:
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 10:29 AM

[QUOTE=trojan9x]don't work here either[/QUOTE]

Try it now (I re-posted the link)
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=mr2guru]I wonder what kind of motor it was (obviously subaru) and what exactly the failure was.

That car is about the size of a shifterkart with a body :lol:[/QUOTE]

EJ20 - The preliminary thinking is that the only real problem is for road racing, the oil ends up out at the sides too much and the crank gets oil starved. All we need to do is get a dry sump on it and it'll be good. The car had lots of power. But we're waiting on final analysis when they tear down the motor.
driggity 12-15-2004 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=SoCal Scott]EJ20[/QUOTE]

The 2.0 liter normally aspirated engine? Or do you mean one of the 2.0L turbo engines? And if so which one?

Too bad about the failure. Sounds like the car was performing quite well until then.
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 11:41 PM

[QUOTE=driggity]The 2.0 liter normally aspirated engine? Or do you mean one of the 2.0L turbo engines? And if so which one?

Too bad about the failure. Sounds like the car was performing quite well until then.[/QUOTE]

EJ20 WRX Turbo engine. Lots of power - in fact, we tuned it down a little in hopes of helping it last the 25 Hours. Once night rolled around, we were the 3rd fastest car on the track (sometimes turning the fastest lap, but traffic can have something to do with that), but we know there is a lot more left in the car that we didn't tap into yet.

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812engine.jpg[/img]
SoCal Scott 12-15-2004 11:56 PM

[QUOTE=mturmel]Good to see Subaru involvement in road racing. They'll get it right, this seems to be an amazing chassis!

Hey Scott, if you need volunteer to do some lap testing and ring it out, give me a buzz :lol:

When's the next race?

Matt

EDIT: Scott, looking good on the picture :D[/QUOTE]

Hehe, After a loooong Friday and early Sat. morning, I wasn't the cheeriest of guys when they took the team photo, but once the car did a few laps and Ralph was shaving seconds off every lap until he broke 2:00, I was feeling a lot better. We maybe could have gone faster, but we figured at that pace, if the car held together, it would put about as high as we could go. We aren't fast enough yet to catch the winning Porsche Cup car team with Randy Pobst on it or the big buck Radical team, so we figured we would just do our pace and hope for those 2 to have some bad luck - which the Radical team finally got.

Let me know when you can come to SoCal next. If the car is going to the track, we can get you in for a passenger ride (the car can take a 2nd seat for track schools). The plan is for the car to stay in SoCal where we can test/setup the car and give feedback to the build shop in Tenn. We'll run the NASA Western Endurance Racing Challenge (six 3-hour races) along with some SCCA double regionals, so we'll know exactly how to run that car for next year's 25 Hour. Every last person on the team wants to try it again in '05.

If you guys think it's pretty cool to see Subaru get more into road racing, let me know at [email][email�protected][/email] and I can forward the comments to right people at Subaru.
SoCal Scott 12-16-2004 12:32 AM

[QUOTE=pio!pio!]the PR sounds like this "professional race team enters race with no preperation"
I've already read a couple race teams reviews of the 25 hr of thunderhill and a lot say how they didn't even have time to setup the car till they got there, or didn't get a chance to shake down the vehicle etc etc..vishnu only built their evo up in 2 months time..

Doesn't enduro racing require a certain amount of planning and prep? If it's obvious that the chassis/drivers doesn't have enuf shakedown and setup, wouldn't it be better to enter it next year and spend a year gathering data?

it seems like going into anything underprepared is a recipe that should never have happened in the first place[/QUOTE]

You're right, and it's certainly not the way we drew it up. But things happen, engines get delayed, etc., etc., so we did the best the best we could with the hand we were dealt. There are a lot of reasons for giving it a shot now as opposed to next year (as some members have pointed out), but when the drivers took a huge leap of faith and committed to this ride (passing up chances for other rides), if there was any way we could get them out there in a decent car, we were going to go for it.

The great thing about the experience was, no matter how bleak it looked (and on Friday night, it looked pretty bad), the team never turned on itself. Everybody just kept looking at what they could next to help make it happen. Nobody on that team was willing to quit or give up. And I think once the drivers got their stints in the car, they could understand what we were (and are going to continue) working torwards. :)
drees 12-16-2004 03:37 AM

Good job guys, keep us posted when you're on the track again!
mr2guru 12-16-2004 10:08 PM

Throw a JDM STi 2.0 block in there...has much better crank oiling. Couple that with a drysump and you're golden.
SoCal Scott 12-20-2004 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=mr2guru]Throw a JDM STi 2.0 block in there...has much better crank oiling. Couple that with a drysump and you're golden.[/QUOTE]

I passed that on to the team.

Another pic - I'm not sure which driver - I'll have to ask:

Hi res at: [url]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2526&size=big&sort=1&cat=3093[/url]

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812DSC_4098_resize-med.JPG[/img]
Pakin 12-20-2004 11:53 AM

Nice! I didn't pay attention to the car until I saw the engine photo :D

A very interesting setup for that EJ20, almost seems to be Lego placement :)

-paK +1
SoCal Scott 12-21-2004 12:15 AM

[QUOTE=Pakin]Nice! I didn't pay attention to the car until I saw the engine photo :D

A very interesting setup for that EJ20, almost seems to be Lego placement :)

-paK +1[/QUOTE]

Hehe, it was certainly a surprise to Subaru of America to see a Daytona Prototype style car with Suby power in it. :D

Here is a shot of Neal Looney driving on the practice / qual. day on that Friday (one of only 8 laps). After we had to spend the early hours of the race cycling in the drivers that had not driven the car while it was daylight, we put Neal in the car for the first full night stint and double shifted him on a fuel stop. While other teams slowed, Neal (who is an instructor at Skip Barber), with only 8 laps in the car under his belt, went out and turned the lap times as we had during the day. In that stretch of time, we probably moved from halfway in the field up to 5th.

Hi res at: [url]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2542&size=big&sort=1&cat=3093[/url]

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812Saker_Neal_Looney_driving-med.JPG[/img]
CirrusWRX 12-21-2004 04:28 PM

Excellent to see ESX + Subaru do some REAL racing ;) :)
boundy3 12-21-2004 05:37 PM

[QUOTE=SoCal Scott]EJ20 WRX Turbo engine. Lots of power - in fact, we tuned it down a little in hopes of helping it last the 25 Hours. Once night rolled around, we were the 3rd fastest car on the track (sometimes turning the fastest lap, but traffic can have something to do with that), but we know there is a lot more left in the car that we didn't tap into yet.

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812engine.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


Yeah they stuck with a TMIC keeping with subie tradition ;)

And talk about a fart can, total rice ;)

J/K car looks good and keep up the good work

BTW what transmission are you using and is it rwd?
SoCal Scott 12-22-2004 10:16 AM

[QUOTE=boundy3]

BTW what transmission are you using and is it rwd?[/QUOTE]

Suby 5-speed (don't know the exact one) and the car has only rwd.

Once we had the car rolling pretty good, here's how most teams saw the car:

High-res at: [url]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2543&size=big&sort=1&cat=3093[/url]

Those white rectangles on the back are reflective material for better visibility for other drivers - the crew chief called them "spec Miata targets" :D

[img]http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/data/3093/812Saker_from_behind-med.JPG[/img]
SoCal Scott 12-23-2004 01:41 PM

A few pics of us on TheRaceSite.com:

[url]http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?template=pa&pa_id=606[/url]

Here's one at night:

[img]http://www.ppiclients.com/albums/606_10.jpg[/img]
KevinHeist 12-23-2004 01:43 PM

awesome!
kwak 02-02-2006 10:12 PM

I noticed a picture of one of these in the latest Racecar Engineering. Did you guys race it in '05 like you hoped?
parker/slc/gc8fan 02-03-2006 12:58 AM

Way to go suys keep it up.

I hope you guys can keep the project going, it looks like a winner.

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