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can somone help me with my STi projector lights? part 1

mario 06-01-2002 03:05 AM

can somone help me with my lights? STI PROJECTORS
 
i have the JDM projectors. i just put them in today. i need to align them. this is how they look right now:

[IMG]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/p23b47b7af5da71a37accce332f68a303/fdb00c97.jpg[/IMG]

should i raise the right beam, or lower the left beam? this is at about 30-35 feet from the wall. what is the best way to align them? against a wall, at a far distance?

and do i have to take the whole light out to adjust the beam?

also, for soem reason, when i unplug the DRL switch, the low beams still stay on when the handbrake is down. all the wiring shoudl be right, the turn signals work, high beams work too, and the high beam light in the cluster stays off when the high beams are off (problem lots of people had)

also, are those little lights up where the high beams are supposed to stay on all the time? or only when the headlights are in the on position?
AZScoobie 06-01-2002 03:33 AM

Re: can somone help me with my lights? STI PROJECTORS
 
Hi Mario. First off the angle that your lights are projecting is normal. The left side should be raised up and should angle down to the right. This is normal for a country that has the direction of travel on the oposite side as we do in the US. US spec HID lights will slop UP to the right exactly the oposite of what you have. The reason is that when you are heading down the road and on comming traffic is aproaching the light will just mis there line of site.

Your JDM lights are setup oposite so they will likely blind on commong traffic. HID's are pretty bright so be careful and make sure you are not blinding people. What can you do?

Go out with a friend and have him park his car facing yours but in the next lane over to simulate a two lane road with both cars about to pass each other. Put 20 yards between the cars at least. Now adjust the left side headlight down until it misses his line of set with the cut off. Cars are different but you get the idea.. you dont want to blind on comming drivers... Next raise the right side light up so it lights up the road ahead of you. The right side light will be the light that really reaches out in the distance... Keep that light from hitting the left side lane... The right light should hit the right side of the road and straight ahead.

One last piece of advice with HID's. You will get used to that sharp cut off. Dont run the lights higher than needed . Keep in mind that you still have brights and the hi beam should hit the horizon. Dont make those bright HID's do the work of the high beams. The other drivers will thank you.

Hope this helps.

CT


[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mario [/i]
[B]i have the JDM projectors. i just put them in today. i need to align them. this is how they look right now:

[IMG]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/p23b47b7af5da71a37accce332f68a303/fdb00c97.jpg[/IMG]

should i raise the right beam, or lower the left beam? this is at about 30-35 feet from the wall. what is the best way to align them? against a wall, at a far distance?

and do i have to take the whole light out to adjust the beam?

also, for soem reason, when i unplug the DRL switch, the low beams still stay on when the handbrake is down. all the wiring shoudl be right, the turn signals work, high beams work too, and the high beam light in the cluster stays off when the high beams are off (problem lots of people had)

also, are those little lights up where the high beams are supposed to stay on all the time? or only when the headlights are in the on position? [/B][/QUOTE]
Rocky WRX 06-01-2002 08:39 AM

For comparison, here's what my (non-HID) LHD STi projector pattern looks like. My street is on a slight hill, so that's why the overall pattern is sloping down at the left, but you can see how the angle in the middle is opposite of yours.

[IMG]http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1948361[/IMG]

Mario, you never actually mentioned whether your projectors were HIDs or just halogens, so I'm not sure if that was just AZscoobie's assumption. I disabled by DRLs just by pulling the ballast resistor on the passenger strut column. If you have normal projectors and that doesn't work for you, I'd suspect a wiring problem.
Benjamin Tang 06-01-2002 11:32 AM

is there wiring instructions online? i have JDM RHD HID STi lights and i don't have a clue what's happening in the back with the plugs :(
AZScoobie 06-01-2002 03:44 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rocky WRX [/i]
[B]For comparison, here's what my (non-HID) LHD STi projector pattern looks like. My street is on a slight hill, so that's why the overall pattern is sloping down at the left, but you can see how the angle in the middle is opposite of yours.

[IMG]http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1948361[/IMG]

Mario, you never actually mentioned whether your projectors were HIDs or just halogens, so I'm not sure if that was just AZscoobie's assumption. I disabled by DRLs just by pulling the ballast resistor on the passenger strut column. If you have normal projectors and that doesn't work for you, I'd suspect a wiring problem. [/B][/QUOTE]


Yeah. It was my assumption from the color on the wall. But my comments are usefull for the HID or just the projector lamps. Yours slope the right way to avoic blinding a passing motorist.

HTH

CT
mario 06-01-2002 04:45 PM

i think im just gonan level the beams equal. thats how my friends acura cl and my girlfriends bimmer are like.


[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Benjamin Tang [/i]
[B]is there wiring instructions online? i have JDM RHD HID STi lights and i don't have a clue what's happening in the back with the plugs :( [/B][/QUOTE]
benjamin, you have to get a harness that plugs into the jdm projectors and spline it or tap into the oem plugs
Benjamin Tang 06-01-2002 06:29 PM

where can i find these harnesses? i didn't have the foresight to ask for the lighting harnesses to be included from the wrecked donor car when i bought the lights :(

[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/p8d2a6106a7ce87716c26829c46ce3a2a/fdafab6d.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/p798e0a4aad0573a43c277322f3cef98a/fdafab76.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/p2c47ec2834ad6ec50f0c152120ae9542/fdafab92.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/p046306e7cdc4940009f400f2086e4cce/fdafa877.jpg[/img]
mario 06-01-2002 06:40 PM

PM socal, and ask him where he bought them. i bought my lights from him and he had the harnesses already.

i just realized that i remember your name from hondatech! you had an awesome itr! i had an eg and would post in the itr forum. my name there is utensil. kelly came over to this forum too. he posted a litle about him thining about getting a wrx after his itr was stolen
Benjamin Tang 06-01-2002 07:13 PM

hi mario. so this is where all ex-honda refugees go... :)
mr2guru 06-01-2002 08:10 PM

Mario,

I have JDM HIDs....For the DRLs you need to unplug the DRL relay that is next to the glove box. Take out the glove box and you will see it there on the right side. I think there are 2 headlight relays and a DRL relay. Unplug the DRL one. That will end the DRLs coming on forever with no other side effects.

Jim

Edit: Benjamin Tang,

The last pic you show is the connector the plugs into a wiring harness the plugs into the OEM ballast. That same harness also plugs into the OEM wiring power source. Here is a pic....It's not very good as far a describing what I mena since the pic was before this explanation and my install. But I tried....
mr2guru 06-01-2002 08:31 PM

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mario 06-01-2002 09:43 PM

its inside the car behind the glove box? i went to look and there were a bunch of plugs and they dont say anything on them. which ones is the drl one?
and what color is the DRL fuse?
Benjamin Tang 06-01-2002 10:22 PM

oh s*it! i got screwed.... my headlights do not have those ballasts!!!

can i use ballasts from another car?

what am i going to do? :o
mr2guru 06-02-2002 12:38 PM

Mario.

Its the only 10 connector plug there....going into a small relay/control box immediatly to the right side of where the glove box is. (once its out)


this may help....

[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=169135&highlight=DRL[/url]



Benjamin Tang,

Yeah you got screwed.....:( :mad: I would think you could use another ballast from an oem HID setup. I don't know about ballasts from a conversion kit though. Sometimes they incorporate ingniters in the ballasts, sometime not. I believe all OEM HID system incorporate the iginiters in the headlight assy. so you should be ok there. Contact this guy....
[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193237[/url]

He might be able to help you in getting some ballasts...any oem should work...just the wiring may be a biotch.



Jim
mario 06-02-2002 01:03 PM

this thread is good too!

[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163807[/url]
Benjamin Tang 06-02-2002 01:38 PM

my friend in japan sent me this:

[img]http://img25.ac.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/8/6/6/k168309-img600x450-1022950838p6020266.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img25.ac.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/8/6/6/k168309-img600x450-1022950862p6020268.jpg[/img]

from an r34 skyline in japan. i wonder if these will work... they look remarkably alike. the igniter is the black box between the ballast and bulb hookup... it's not incorporated into the headlight on skylines.
mr2guru 06-02-2002 03:38 PM

Those will work....they even look like they might have the same connectors get em they might even be manufactured by the same company. Either way it would be simple to make those work out.
Benjamin Tang 06-02-2002 03:58 PM

hi... everyone please be patient with me because all i know about electronics is that u hit a switch and the light turns on :)

are all ballasts alike? there is no power rating or something to be aware of? the nissan and subaru ballasts are almost dead ringers for each other.

not sure what to do about the igniters though. nissan stuff is external and isn't part of the headlight. can i just cut it out of the system, along with the plug for the HID bulb, and splice it in somehow into the subaru system?

lastly... i don't have this mounting bracket i see in your pic. in fact i don't even know where that mounting bracket should go! is it necessary that i have that bracket? can i mount it somewhere else in the car? all i know is to keep everything close because you're supposed to keep the wiring short to help the igniter fire up the bulbs, or something like that.

oh two more things... someone told me there are leveling motors inside these lights for remote height adjustment? i did a search but there is only scattered bits of info across several posts.

the same thing applies for converting from LHD to RHD beam alignment.

thanks in advance
adam99rs 06-02-2002 07:33 PM

Moved to the Dress up and style forum guys....please keep the posts here relative to performance/problems with the drivetrain
mr2guru 06-02-2002 08:49 PM

All Oem ballasts use the same or very close to the same output,35w. Since there are only three HID bulbs out there D2S, D2R, and D1S (which has the igniter attached to the bulb) The ballasts will work. Its a guaranteed solution if you use the nissan ignitors and bypass the subaru ones in the housing. (the R34 ones in the pic were in the housings, note the weather seal between the ballast and the bulb socket/ignitor) The ignitor and bulb socket was taken out. They always mount the ignitor and bulb socket in a sealed enviroment.....thats close to 20,000v right there and can arc very easily in a damp/wet enviroment. Anyway, Just knowing which wire is which is the only problem with using your existing ignitors.....if the color coding is the same I bet the ignitors are the same too...

I didn't use the mounting bracket either....there is no place to mount it....I don't think the holes were drilled and nut plates welded on for our cars. FYI its supposed to kinda hang down behind the fog lights as per shop manual pics I have seen. I just double sided taped the ballasts(removed from brackets) to the frame rail behind the headlights...fits perfect.

Leveling motors, here is the latest on that
[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132888[/url]

It seems to be a pain to get these to work....

RHD to LHD conversion....
[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128469[/url]

I am going to do this eventually :rolleyes:
Benjamin Tang 06-02-2002 11:35 PM

what happened to imprezer? he never finished the thread.

i guess i'll go ahead and get the nissan ballasts. but after u mentioned that the igniters need to be in a sealed environment i guess i should delete the nissan igniters and splice into the wiring of existing subaru ones.

w/regards to this pattern plate... i don't understand how it works? is it before or after the bulb? is this the thing that creates that horizontal cutoff pattern? how much heat can that thing take?

i used to have an integra type-r with the JDM front end conversion. it had factory HID lights that i had aligned at the local acura dealership and i never got hi-beamed for blinding anyone. did u try and get them aligned professionally?
Benjamin Tang 06-03-2002 12:58 AM

is mario still out there? any updates on your headlight alignment issues? some local i-clubber is flaming me about using RHD lights and dosen't believe i had no problems with my type-r... would like to know how things have turned out.
mario 06-03-2002 01:04 AM

i dont understand the difference between the LHD and RHD lights besides that one shines the beam higher than the other. cant that just be corrected by realigning the beams?
Benjamin Tang 06-03-2002 01:23 AM

RHD headlights are more biased to point to the left of the vehicle because in japan u drive on the left side of the road and u want to see the shoulder/curb and not blind opposing drivers coming at you on the right. this becomes the opposite when using RHD lights in a LHD world like here.

i haven't figured out how the subaru lights work. but my jdm integra lights had both vertical and horizontal adjustments on it. i was able to correct the horizontal bias to the left with the adjusters. i keep trying to explain this to the flamers in the other thread i'm trapped in but they won't listen. but if the subaru lights don't have horizontal adjustments i will have to eat my words :rolleyes:
G-force 06-03-2002 01:27 AM

Well, since there's only 2 adjustment screws on the backside (one for the each low and high beam), I don't think you can adjust from left to right, only up and down.

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, as I have the JDM projectors too.
Benjamin Tang 06-03-2002 01:34 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by G-force [/i]
[B]Well, since there's only 2 adjustment screws on the backside (one for the each low and high beam), I don't think you can adjust from left to right, only up and down.

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, as I have the JDM projectors too. [/B][/QUOTE]

i was over on the pharmco uk-spec projector thread and he said this in response to someone else's post:

[I]Sorry I haven't replied to this sooner, but I've been out of town. You can manually adjust the aim of the lights. There are two hex looking items, one for up/down and one for left/right. I think it was an 8mm that fit. It takes a lot of turns to make a diffrence, but they do work. My right light was pointed WAY high, like tree high and I had to lower it. [/I]

ne1?
mr2guru 06-03-2002 06:57 PM

The two adjustment hexi (:lol:) are for left/right and up/down adjustment of the low beam only....the higher one is for left/right the lower one with the intergrated motor is for up/down.

Thats the final word on that ;)

There is no adjustment that I know of for the high beam unless it adjusts in concert with the low beam.


Jim
mario 06-03-2002 09:43 PM

how do u recommend to adjust the beams?

against a wall?
Benjamin Tang 06-03-2002 10:16 PM

i was just going to bring it in to the dealer to align. they might scratch their head a bit though and give u the usual warranty void spiel but i'm sure they can do a better job than us amateurs :lol:
mario 06-04-2002 01:21 AM

wow, you said "SPIEL" thats only the second time ive heard that in my whole life. my girlfriend said that yesterday, she said "my mom gave me a huge spiel about not stressing over the laker game today" and i was like uh....whats spiel. and she thought i was weird for never hearing that before.


anyways...back to the lights. i wanna drive up to the dealer and see their reaction of my lights. im curious to see if theyve ever seen them in person before.
Benjamin Tang 06-04-2002 02:06 AM

mario..... your gf sounds highly intelligent and u don't deserve her :lol:

someone suggested to me to find someone else with a stock wrx, as him to park a car length away from a wall, mark his position on the ground and tag where his tailights are aimed on the wall. swap his car with yours and use the marks as guidelines.

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