| hillman | 12-10-2004 03:03 PM |
SCCA Wheel-to-Wheel Rally!
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I kid you not, check it out. "CircuitRally"...
[quote]
CircuitRally is new to SCCA, combining road racing and performance rally. CircuitRally events will be held at existing motorsports facilities and feature wheel-to-wheel heat-based sprint races on mostly non-paved surfaces. Presently, there are several organizations holding similar events with motorcycles, ATVs and trucks. These organizations have thrived since adopting a controlled environment model as opposed to that of a wilderness adventure. CircuitRally fills a need for events featuring automobiles.
[/quote]
I can't link to the article, because SCCA.org isn't link-friendly, but go [url=http://www.scca.org/]here[/url] and read today's press release about the SCCA Closed-Course Rally programs.
[quote]
CircuitRally is new to SCCA, combining road racing and performance rally. CircuitRally events will be held at existing motorsports facilities and feature wheel-to-wheel heat-based sprint races on mostly non-paved surfaces. Presently, there are several organizations holding similar events with motorcycles, ATVs and trucks. These organizations have thrived since adopting a controlled environment model as opposed to that of a wilderness adventure. CircuitRally fills a need for events featuring automobiles.
[/quote]
I can't link to the article, because SCCA.org isn't link-friendly, but go [url=http://www.scca.org/]here[/url] and read today's press release about the SCCA Closed-Course Rally programs.
| psyber_0ptix | 12-10-2004 03:07 PM |
OH fun!
i just wish they would bring pro-rally/club rally over to va area
i just wish they would bring pro-rally/club rally over to va area
| Jon Bogert | 12-10-2004 03:08 PM |
Here ya go...
SCCA Announces New Closed Course Rally Program
SCCA Staff Writers
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (Dec. 10, 2004) � Sports Car Club of America, Inc. announced today at the Performance Racing Industry show a new Closed Course Rally Program and Rally Department, combining elements of its former stage rally programs with elements of autocross and road racing.
�SCCA remains focused on providing a new direction for the future of the sport of rally,� SCCA President and CEO Steve Johnson said. �Although the environment for traditional stage rally is changing dramatically throughout North America, SCCA is committed to making rally-type competition more accessible for spectators and participants alike.�
�Part of SCCA�s heritage has been its rally programs, in non-speed events such as Time Speed Distance RoadRallies, as well as closed course RallyCrosses and stage-based high-speed Performance Stage Rallies,� the five-page document detailing the program says. �As with most programs that span decades, development and adaptation is required to remain relevant with the times. In 2004, an important part of rally met a crossroads, resulting in the cancellation of one type of program, and now the creation of another.
�To better serve its members and grow the sport of rally in the United States, SCCA has crafted an all-new program to bring many of the elements making stage rally exciting together with elements of its other forms of competition. Most importantly, it is structured to address many of the insurance and liability concerns from the previous program.
�Sports Car Club of America is pleased to introduce its all-new Closed Course Rally program. Overseen by the SCCA Rally Department, the objective of the closed course rally program is to provide new membership activities that blend the elements of SCCA�s traditional circuit programs (Solo and Race) with the key features of performance rally.�
Closed Course Rally features three distinct programs, including the existing RallyCross competitions, a revised RallySprint program and a new CircuitRally program. The three programs are targeted at a number of participants, including recreational rallyists in street cars, hobby rallyists in multi-purpose cars (street and rally), sportsman rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars and professional and semi-professional rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars.
Beginning in 2005, RallyCross, which is an off-road Solo (autocross), will hold approximately 125 events nationwide, with a focus on consistent operations, procedures and rules.
RallySprint combines elements of performance rally with the Performance Driving Clinic program and Club Racing. Events will be held on circuits in a primarily off-road setting. Events can either be of the lapping format, where participants navigate their cars on the course with others, or single-car events similar to hill climbs depending on the venue. Speeds will be limited in these events, as will the passing areas for a multi-car format to limit the risk of car-to-car incidents. Competition is based on fastest times turned by drivers around the course. There will be approximately 10 Regional RallySprint in 2005, expanding to 50 events by 2007.
CircuitRally is new to SCCA, combining road racing and performance rally. CircuitRally events will be held at existing motorsports facilities and feature wheel-to-wheel heat-based sprint races on mostly non-paved surfaces. Presently, there are several organizations holding similar events with motorcycles, ATVs and trucks. These organizations have thrived since adopting a controlled environment model as opposed to that of a wilderness adventure. CircuitRally fills a need for events featuring automobiles.
CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship, as it is geared toward spectators and has a television-friendly format. There will be two CircuitRally events in 2004, expanding to 30 National events by 2007.
With the announcement of the Closed Course Rally program, SCCA also announced the restructuring of its Performance Rally department. Now simply called �Rally,� the department, headed by Sue Robinson, will also include RoadRally, which was previously managed by SCCA�s Solo department.
For more information regarding the Closed Course Rally program, please see the accompanying program announcement, or view it online at [url]www.scca.com[/url]. For additional information, please contact Sue Robinson at 800-770-2055 or [email][email�protected][/email].
SCCA Announces New Closed Course Rally Program
SCCA Staff Writers
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (Dec. 10, 2004) � Sports Car Club of America, Inc. announced today at the Performance Racing Industry show a new Closed Course Rally Program and Rally Department, combining elements of its former stage rally programs with elements of autocross and road racing.
�SCCA remains focused on providing a new direction for the future of the sport of rally,� SCCA President and CEO Steve Johnson said. �Although the environment for traditional stage rally is changing dramatically throughout North America, SCCA is committed to making rally-type competition more accessible for spectators and participants alike.�
�Part of SCCA�s heritage has been its rally programs, in non-speed events such as Time Speed Distance RoadRallies, as well as closed course RallyCrosses and stage-based high-speed Performance Stage Rallies,� the five-page document detailing the program says. �As with most programs that span decades, development and adaptation is required to remain relevant with the times. In 2004, an important part of rally met a crossroads, resulting in the cancellation of one type of program, and now the creation of another.
�To better serve its members and grow the sport of rally in the United States, SCCA has crafted an all-new program to bring many of the elements making stage rally exciting together with elements of its other forms of competition. Most importantly, it is structured to address many of the insurance and liability concerns from the previous program.
�Sports Car Club of America is pleased to introduce its all-new Closed Course Rally program. Overseen by the SCCA Rally Department, the objective of the closed course rally program is to provide new membership activities that blend the elements of SCCA�s traditional circuit programs (Solo and Race) with the key features of performance rally.�
Closed Course Rally features three distinct programs, including the existing RallyCross competitions, a revised RallySprint program and a new CircuitRally program. The three programs are targeted at a number of participants, including recreational rallyists in street cars, hobby rallyists in multi-purpose cars (street and rally), sportsman rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars and professional and semi-professional rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars.
Beginning in 2005, RallyCross, which is an off-road Solo (autocross), will hold approximately 125 events nationwide, with a focus on consistent operations, procedures and rules.
RallySprint combines elements of performance rally with the Performance Driving Clinic program and Club Racing. Events will be held on circuits in a primarily off-road setting. Events can either be of the lapping format, where participants navigate their cars on the course with others, or single-car events similar to hill climbs depending on the venue. Speeds will be limited in these events, as will the passing areas for a multi-car format to limit the risk of car-to-car incidents. Competition is based on fastest times turned by drivers around the course. There will be approximately 10 Regional RallySprint in 2005, expanding to 50 events by 2007.
CircuitRally is new to SCCA, combining road racing and performance rally. CircuitRally events will be held at existing motorsports facilities and feature wheel-to-wheel heat-based sprint races on mostly non-paved surfaces. Presently, there are several organizations holding similar events with motorcycles, ATVs and trucks. These organizations have thrived since adopting a controlled environment model as opposed to that of a wilderness adventure. CircuitRally fills a need for events featuring automobiles.
CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship, as it is geared toward spectators and has a television-friendly format. There will be two CircuitRally events in 2004, expanding to 30 National events by 2007.
With the announcement of the Closed Course Rally program, SCCA also announced the restructuring of its Performance Rally department. Now simply called �Rally,� the department, headed by Sue Robinson, will also include RoadRally, which was previously managed by SCCA�s Solo department.
For more information regarding the Closed Course Rally program, please see the accompanying program announcement, or view it online at [url]www.scca.com[/url]. For additional information, please contact Sue Robinson at 800-770-2055 or [email][email�protected][/email].
| Jon Bogert | 12-10-2004 03:13 PM |
What a slap in the face.
If the SCCA receives any Christmas presents from Doug Havir, they better make sure they're not ticking! :lol:
If the SCCA receives any Christmas presents from Doug Havir, they better make sure they're not ticking! :lol:
| anti.team | 12-10-2004 03:17 PM |
Weird. So it's like a super-special stage, but with lots of people on it at once?
| sunnynw | 12-10-2004 03:27 PM |
Kinda like Nascar only with right turns & dirt. :confused:
| hillman | 12-10-2004 03:35 PM |
[quote=overheard at SCCA HQ]
Hey, everytime I turn on ESPN, I see trucks and ATVs and snowmobiles racing around and jumping in the air... it's great, why don't we have a program like that for cars?
[/quote]
Umm, because they're cars?
Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of CircuitRally, but about 10 other SCCA members are likely to feel the same way. It's basically what I already do. "w2w heat-based sprint races on non-paved surfaces". Sounds like ice racing, to me.
Hey, everytime I turn on ESPN, I see trucks and ATVs and snowmobiles racing around and jumping in the air... it's great, why don't we have a program like that for cars?
[/quote]
Umm, because they're cars?
Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of CircuitRally, but about 10 other SCCA members are likely to feel the same way. It's basically what I already do. "w2w heat-based sprint races on non-paved surfaces". Sounds like ice racing, to me.
| anti.team | 12-10-2004 03:40 PM |
Yeah, maybe it's going to be more like rallycross (the european version)?
| rautox | 12-10-2004 04:02 PM |
[QUOTE=anti.team]Yeah, maybe it's going to be more like rallycross (the european version)?[/QUOTE]
That's the first thing I thought, too. Motorsport Mondial has that on occasionally. Very entertaining.
I sorta wondered why, when rally got the axe, rallycross stayed in SCCA's hands. Now we know.
So, which subies have the sturdiest fenders? ;)
That's the first thing I thought, too. Motorsport Mondial has that on occasionally. Very entertaining.
I sorta wondered why, when rally got the axe, rallycross stayed in SCCA's hands. Now we know.
So, which subies have the sturdiest fenders? ;)
| greg donovan | 12-10-2004 04:23 PM |
could be fun to watch if it is executed correctly.
but as others have pointed out on other boards i wonder if there is a non competition clause in the RA/SCCA contract.
if done properly the two programs could complement each other very well.
i wonder if non-caged street cars will compete in the rallysprint? it say limited speeds and limited passing zones. and that sounds real similar to track day rules.
but as others have pointed out on other boards i wonder if there is a non competition clause in the RA/SCCA contract.
if done properly the two programs could complement each other very well.
i wonder if non-caged street cars will compete in the rallysprint? it say limited speeds and limited passing zones. and that sounds real similar to track day rules.
| Kha0S | 12-10-2004 05:22 PM |
Judging from the SCCA's poor administration of cage requirements and inspections, there are going to be a lot of injuries from cage failures in CircuitRally. If you ever look at the door bars in NASCAR, or even British Rally Cross, they're much more substantial than the (virtually) nonexistent door bar design of the current rally cages.
This is a thinly veiled play to keep rallying for the marketing reasons ($$), but appease the insurers (who presumably have fears about spectator injuries). Unfortunately, I think it'll result in more competitor injuries and higher running costs, further eliminating clubman competition.
/Andrew
This is a thinly veiled play to keep rallying for the marketing reasons ($$), but appease the insurers (who presumably have fears about spectator injuries). Unfortunately, I think it'll result in more competitor injuries and higher running costs, further eliminating clubman competition.
/Andrew
| johnfelstead | 12-10-2004 05:31 PM |
[quote]CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship[/quote]
errrmm, No, thats what RA was charged with doing. The SCCA suck arse, what a bunch of backstabers.
errrmm, No, thats what RA was charged with doing. The SCCA suck arse, what a bunch of backstabers.
| Rapid_Roo | 12-10-2004 05:48 PM |
[QUOTE=anti.team]Yeah, maybe it's going to be more like rallycross (the european version)?[/QUOTE]
those are fun to watch. :) kinda demolition derby meets autocross in the dirt. :lol:
those are fun to watch. :) kinda demolition derby meets autocross in the dirt. :lol:
| M. Hurst | 12-10-2004 05:49 PM |
If a tree falls in the forest....
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It's the SCCA's release, they're entitled to their spin.
It's just business.
Mike Hurst
Technical Director
Rally-America
It's just business.
Mike Hurst
Technical Director
Rally-America
| dwx | 12-10-2004 06:26 PM |
[QUOTE=wahwahwah] CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship [/QUOTE]
That statement alone is going to piss off enough rallyists to make them not want to do this. Where do they plan on getting all these circuit rally prepared cars from? Wilderness adventure? Another unneeded stab in the back from the SCCA...
That statement alone is going to piss off enough rallyists to make them not want to do this. Where do they plan on getting all these circuit rally prepared cars from? Wilderness adventure? Another unneeded stab in the back from the SCCA...
| hillman | 12-10-2004 06:51 PM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst]It's the SCCA's release, they're entitled to their spin.
It's just business.
[/quote]
If you're at liberty to say, and you don't mind my asking, was RA
aware that this was coming down the pipe? Or are you as shocked as everyone
else?
It's just business.
[/quote]
If you're at liberty to say, and you don't mind my asking, was RA
aware that this was coming down the pipe? Or are you as shocked as everyone
else?
| GravelRash | 12-10-2004 06:58 PM |
[QUOTE]CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship [/QUOTE]
Well, if that truly is what they think then it's pretty consistent with their actions in dropping Pro/Club Rally. It would also be consistent with them just not getting it...
"It'll be just like F1, except the spectators will have a better view because we'll only have left hand turns, and we'll use cars that look like the ones the fans drive, from a distance, if you squint real hard, and we'll use drivers that any pickup driver can identify with, and we'll make the technology really crude so the cars stay all bunched up for good viewing.
But other than that it'll be just like F1! We'll call it...NASCAR, yeah, that's it!"
:alien:
Well, if that truly is what they think then it's pretty consistent with their actions in dropping Pro/Club Rally. It would also be consistent with them just not getting it...
"It'll be just like F1, except the spectators will have a better view because we'll only have left hand turns, and we'll use cars that look like the ones the fans drive, from a distance, if you squint real hard, and we'll use drivers that any pickup driver can identify with, and we'll make the technology really crude so the cars stay all bunched up for good viewing.
But other than that it'll be just like F1! We'll call it...NASCAR, yeah, that's it!"
:alien:
| driggity | 12-10-2004 07:21 PM |
[QUOTE=anti.team]Yeah, maybe it's going to be more like rallycross (the european version)?[/QUOTE]
Sounds like it to me too. And I'm kind of surprised that they didn't start this earlier as it sounds more fan friendly for the non-diehard spectator.
It will also be interesting to see what effects there are on rally-x as it exists now.
Sounds like it to me too. And I'm kind of surprised that they didn't start this earlier as it sounds more fan friendly for the non-diehard spectator.
It will also be interesting to see what effects there are on rally-x as it exists now.
| Draken | 12-10-2004 07:27 PM |
Yeah, despite the negative comments on SCCA, i think the European rallycross format is pretty damn cool. I've been to a rallycross in Sweden and England, and thought the racing was exciting to watch and to drive in (ametuer event in England, friend let me drive his Saab.)
While it is different than true Rally, it could be pretty cool, and gets lots of manufactirer support, dependent on how the rules are based. imo.
Chris H.
While it is different than true Rally, it could be pretty cool, and gets lots of manufactirer support, dependent on how the rules are based. imo.
Chris H.
| M. Hurst | 12-10-2004 08:31 PM |
[QUOTE=hillman]If you're at liberty to say, and you don't mind my asking, was RA
aware that this was coming down the pipe? Or are you as shocked as everyone
else?[/QUOTE]
The SCCA discussed the with the PRB (RA managing director JB Niday was the chairman of the PRB) and myself, the coming closed course series several months ago.
Any well run, safe rally event in the U.S. is good for the entire U.S. rally community.
I hope the SCCA has success with their closed course programs, but the "spin" contained in their press releases is a poor reflection on the organization.
Mike Hurst
Technical Director
Rally-America
aware that this was coming down the pipe? Or are you as shocked as everyone
else?[/QUOTE]
The SCCA discussed the with the PRB (RA managing director JB Niday was the chairman of the PRB) and myself, the coming closed course series several months ago.
Any well run, safe rally event in the U.S. is good for the entire U.S. rally community.
I hope the SCCA has success with their closed course programs, but the "spin" contained in their press releases is a poor reflection on the organization.
Mike Hurst
Technical Director
Rally-America
| anti.team | 12-10-2004 08:49 PM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst]The SCCA discussed the with the PRB (RA managing director JB Niday was the chairman of the PRB) and myself, the coming closed course series several months ago.
Any well run, safe rally event in the U.S. is good for the entire U.S. rally community.
I hope the SCCA has success with their closed course programs, but the "spin" contained in their press releases is a poor reflection on the organization.
Mike Hurst
Technical Director
Rally-America[/QUOTE]
What "spin" are you referring to in the release?
Any well run, safe rally event in the U.S. is good for the entire U.S. rally community.
I hope the SCCA has success with their closed course programs, but the "spin" contained in their press releases is a poor reflection on the organization.
Mike Hurst
Technical Director
Rally-America[/QUOTE]
What "spin" are you referring to in the release?
| johnfelstead | 12-11-2004 07:54 AM |
[QUOTE=anti.team]What "spin" are you referring to in the release?[/QUOTE]
You're saying you cant see that for yourself? :confused:
Mike is being very diplomatic in what he wrote IMHO. I have quite often looked on at the way SCCA have run the rally progam and gone :huh: but that press release takes the biscuit. It does nothing to help RA get the 2005 season up and running when they claim to be filling a void, that RA is there to do as negotiated with the SCCA, they then highlight insurance and liability issues which RA have to work hard on already, they dont need the SCCA sticking the boot in and making that an issue in press releases about a new series.
By all means copy a european rallycross format (what they are proposing is hardly new thinking), but dont stab the people trying to sort your mess out in the back in the process, thats unprofesional and down right rude.
You're saying you cant see that for yourself? :confused:
Mike is being very diplomatic in what he wrote IMHO. I have quite often looked on at the way SCCA have run the rally progam and gone :huh: but that press release takes the biscuit. It does nothing to help RA get the 2005 season up and running when they claim to be filling a void, that RA is there to do as negotiated with the SCCA, they then highlight insurance and liability issues which RA have to work hard on already, they dont need the SCCA sticking the boot in and making that an issue in press releases about a new series.
By all means copy a european rallycross format (what they are proposing is hardly new thinking), but dont stab the people trying to sort your mess out in the back in the process, thats unprofesional and down right rude.
| anti.team | 12-11-2004 09:11 AM |
I wasn't asking critically. I was just asking for interpretation. I admit I only quickly skimmed the article and nothing stood out from that breif reading as being "spin" so I required clarification.
| johnfelstead | 12-12-2004 05:39 AM |
wouldnt it be a better idea to read the article properly and work out what its saying yourself rather than asking people to do that for you. :huh: :confused:
| anti.team | 12-12-2004 09:25 AM |
Nope. Even if I did go through the article with a fine toothed comb, the only way that I would be able to identify "spin" placed on an issue would be if I was familiar with the opposing viewpoint, in this case that of Rally-America. I am unfortunately not in this instance. It is much more accurate to ask Mike Hurst to elaborate his position for me than to make assumptions that have a good chance of being incorrect. That way I can better understand the issues as they pertain to this SCCA press release.
| Butt Dyno | 12-12-2004 10:26 AM |
[QUOTE=hillman] I can't link to the article, because SCCA.org isn't link-friendly, [/QUOTE]
For the archives:
[quote=scca.com]SCCA Announces New Closed Course Rally Program
SCCA Staff Writers
Fully-prepared rally cars will have another outlet to run in the SCCA (Morgan Segal image)
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (Dec. 10, 2004) � Sports Car Club of America, Inc. announced today at the Performance Racing Industry show a new Closed Course Rally Program and Rally Department, combining elements of its former stage rally programs with elements of autocross and road racing.
�SCCA remains focused on providing a new direction for the future of the sport of rally,� SCCA President and CEO Steve Johnson said. �Although the environment for traditional stage rally is changing dramatically throughout North America, SCCA is committed to making rally-type competition more accessible for spectators and participants alike.�
�Part of SCCA�s heritage has been its rally programs, in non-speed events such as Time Speed Distance RoadRallies, as well as closed course RallyCrosses and stage-based high-speed Performance Stage Rallies,� the five-page document detailing the program says. �As with most programs that span decades, development and adaptation is required to remain relevant with the times. In 2004, an important part of rally met a crossroads, resulting in the cancellation of one type of program, and now the creation of another.
�To better serve its members and grow the sport of rally in the United States, SCCA has crafted an all-new program to bring many of the elements making stage rally exciting together with elements of its other forms of competition. Most importantly, it is structured to address many of the insurance and liability concerns from the previous program.
�Sports Car Club of America is pleased to introduce its all-new Closed Course Rally program. Overseen by the SCCA Rally Department, the objective of the closed course rally program is to provide new membership activities that blend the elements of SCCA�s traditional circuit programs (Solo and Race) with the key features of performance rally.�
Closed Course Rally features three distinct programs, including the existing RallyCross competitions, a revised RallySprint program and a new CircuitRally program. The three programs are targeted at a number of participants, including recreational rallyists in street cars, hobby rallyists in multi-purpose cars (street and rally), sportsman rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars and professional and semi-professional rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars.
Beginning in 2005, RallyCross, which is an off-road Solo (autocross), will hold approximately 125 events nationwide, with a focus on consistent operations, procedures and rules.
RallySprint combines elements of performance rally with the Performance Driving Clinic program and Club Racing. Events will be held on circuits in a primarily off-road setting. Events can either be of the lapping format, where participants navigate their cars on the course with others, or single-car events similar to hill climbs depending on the venue. Speeds will be limited in these events, as will the passing areas for a multi-car format to limit the risk of car-to-car incidents. Competition is based on fastest times turned by drivers around the course. There will be approximately 10 Regional RallySprint in 2005, expanding to 50 events by 2007.
CircuitRally is new to SCCA, combining road racing and performance rally. CircuitRally events will be held at existing motorsports facilities and feature wheel-to-wheel heat-based sprint races on mostly non-paved surfaces. Presently, there are several organizations holding similar events with motorcycles, ATVs and trucks. These organizations have thrived since adopting a controlled environment model as opposed to that of a wilderness adventure. CircuitRally fills a need for events featuring automobiles.
CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship, as it is geared toward spectators and has a television-friendly format. There will be two CircuitRally events in 2005, expanding to 30 National events by 2007.
With the announcement of the Closed Course Rally program, SCCA also announced the restructuring of its Performance Rally department. Now simply called �Rally,� the department, headed by Sue Robinson, will also include RoadRally, which was previously managed by SCCA�s Solo department.
For more information regarding the Closed Course Rally program, please see the accompanying program announcement, or view it online at [url]www.scca.com[/url]. For additional information, please contact Sue Robinson at 800-770-2055 or [email][email�protected][/email].
-30-[/quote]
For the archives:
[quote=scca.com]SCCA Announces New Closed Course Rally Program
SCCA Staff Writers
Fully-prepared rally cars will have another outlet to run in the SCCA (Morgan Segal image)
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (Dec. 10, 2004) � Sports Car Club of America, Inc. announced today at the Performance Racing Industry show a new Closed Course Rally Program and Rally Department, combining elements of its former stage rally programs with elements of autocross and road racing.
�SCCA remains focused on providing a new direction for the future of the sport of rally,� SCCA President and CEO Steve Johnson said. �Although the environment for traditional stage rally is changing dramatically throughout North America, SCCA is committed to making rally-type competition more accessible for spectators and participants alike.�
�Part of SCCA�s heritage has been its rally programs, in non-speed events such as Time Speed Distance RoadRallies, as well as closed course RallyCrosses and stage-based high-speed Performance Stage Rallies,� the five-page document detailing the program says. �As with most programs that span decades, development and adaptation is required to remain relevant with the times. In 2004, an important part of rally met a crossroads, resulting in the cancellation of one type of program, and now the creation of another.
�To better serve its members and grow the sport of rally in the United States, SCCA has crafted an all-new program to bring many of the elements making stage rally exciting together with elements of its other forms of competition. Most importantly, it is structured to address many of the insurance and liability concerns from the previous program.
�Sports Car Club of America is pleased to introduce its all-new Closed Course Rally program. Overseen by the SCCA Rally Department, the objective of the closed course rally program is to provide new membership activities that blend the elements of SCCA�s traditional circuit programs (Solo and Race) with the key features of performance rally.�
Closed Course Rally features three distinct programs, including the existing RallyCross competitions, a revised RallySprint program and a new CircuitRally program. The three programs are targeted at a number of participants, including recreational rallyists in street cars, hobby rallyists in multi-purpose cars (street and rally), sportsman rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars and professional and semi-professional rallyists in fully-prepared rally cars.
Beginning in 2005, RallyCross, which is an off-road Solo (autocross), will hold approximately 125 events nationwide, with a focus on consistent operations, procedures and rules.
RallySprint combines elements of performance rally with the Performance Driving Clinic program and Club Racing. Events will be held on circuits in a primarily off-road setting. Events can either be of the lapping format, where participants navigate their cars on the course with others, or single-car events similar to hill climbs depending on the venue. Speeds will be limited in these events, as will the passing areas for a multi-car format to limit the risk of car-to-car incidents. Competition is based on fastest times turned by drivers around the course. There will be approximately 10 Regional RallySprint in 2005, expanding to 50 events by 2007.
CircuitRally is new to SCCA, combining road racing and performance rally. CircuitRally events will be held at existing motorsports facilities and feature wheel-to-wheel heat-based sprint races on mostly non-paved surfaces. Presently, there are several organizations holding similar events with motorcycles, ATVs and trucks. These organizations have thrived since adopting a controlled environment model as opposed to that of a wilderness adventure. CircuitRally fills a need for events featuring automobiles.
CircuitRally events will largely fill the void left by the cancellation of the SCCA ProRally Championship, as it is geared toward spectators and has a television-friendly format. There will be two CircuitRally events in 2005, expanding to 30 National events by 2007.
With the announcement of the Closed Course Rally program, SCCA also announced the restructuring of its Performance Rally department. Now simply called �Rally,� the department, headed by Sue Robinson, will also include RoadRally, which was previously managed by SCCA�s Solo department.
For more information regarding the Closed Course Rally program, please see the accompanying program announcement, or view it online at [url]www.scca.com[/url]. For additional information, please contact Sue Robinson at 800-770-2055 or [email][email�protected][/email].
-30-[/quote]
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| Butt Dyno | 12-13-2004 12:49 AM |
[QUOTE=Glenn Wallace]Specialstage thread:
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[quote]"wow, no posts for like 7 hours, that actually worked."
You remind me of my dog. He barks at the FedEx truck. After packages are delivered or picked up the truck leaves. My dog is so proud he scared away some perceived threat.
Stop wagging your tongue long enough and I'll give you a biscuit.[/quote]:lol:
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[quote]"wow, no posts for like 7 hours, that actually worked."
You remind me of my dog. He barks at the FedEx truck. After packages are delivered or picked up the truck leaves. My dog is so proud he scared away some perceived threat.
Stop wagging your tongue long enough and I'll give you a biscuit.[/quote]:lol:
| jr4jc | 12-13-2004 10:16 AM |
i talked to SCCA a month or two ago and they said they would like to run rally cross, [one car at a time against a clock no cage needed and no jumps...] and rally sprint [need a cage faster and jumps but still one car at a time] and this new--special staging event-- several cars with cages-up to speed with jumps [nascar in the dirt w turns etc...] all at the same place and similar time. like the rally cross could be one day and the next the rally sprint and special stage event. all the events and the spectators would play into deferring the cost of the place and insurance.
i have rally corssed before and it is a blast and i know people who have rally-sprinted with prepared cars and they said it was too rough on their cars, the jumps etc...
can't imagine what kinda thing this special staging will turn into, i see the spectator being a nascar/demolition derby type person, not a technical - rally - skilled driver appreciater
i have rally corssed before and it is a blast and i know people who have rally-sprinted with prepared cars and they said it was too rough on their cars, the jumps etc...
can't imagine what kinda thing this special staging will turn into, i see the spectator being a nascar/demolition derby type person, not a technical - rally - skilled driver appreciater
| CMJ | 12-13-2004 05:25 PM |
Got this from wrc live.
[quote]Speeds will be limited in these events, as will the passing areas for a multi-car format to limit the risk of car-to-car incidents. Competition is based on fastest times turned by drivers around the course. [/quote]
So multiple cars on track racing the clock, not other cars. Hmm, I think I would give every one a 10 sec. jump and let them battle it out while I lap a clean track.
[quote]Speeds will be limited in these events, as will the passing areas for a multi-car format to limit the risk of car-to-car incidents. Competition is based on fastest times turned by drivers around the course. [/quote]
So multiple cars on track racing the clock, not other cars. Hmm, I think I would give every one a 10 sec. jump and let them battle it out while I lap a clean track.
| Ice racer | 03-26-2006 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE=hillman]Umm, because they're cars?
Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of CircuitRally. It's basically what I already do. "w2w heat-based sprint races on non-paved surfaces". Sounds like ice racing, to me.[/QUOTE] Dave,
Funny you should mention that. A.M.E.C. is planning a European style "Circuit Rally" on dirt this for summer. Of course we are doing it for [i]fun[/i], and are not concerned with starting something big or TV coverage, etc. We have the caged cars and we know who we are racing against [because we race them all winter], so we're not worried about what others say will be a demo derby. I'm a bit disappointed that SCCA's series seems to be null and void. I'll bet there are plenty of people who race on dirt ovals that are tired of the same two corners every week and step up to Circuit Rally. You've got to start somewhere. Maybe SCCA was thinking too big, too soon?
[QUOTE=greg donovan]could be fun to watch if it is executed correctly.[/QUOTE] I couldn't agree more. :)
Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of CircuitRally. It's basically what I already do. "w2w heat-based sprint races on non-paved surfaces". Sounds like ice racing, to me.[/QUOTE] Dave,
Funny you should mention that. A.M.E.C. is planning a European style "Circuit Rally" on dirt this for summer. Of course we are doing it for [i]fun[/i], and are not concerned with starting something big or TV coverage, etc. We have the caged cars and we know who we are racing against [because we race them all winter], so we're not worried about what others say will be a demo derby. I'm a bit disappointed that SCCA's series seems to be null and void. I'll bet there are plenty of people who race on dirt ovals that are tired of the same two corners every week and step up to Circuit Rally. You've got to start somewhere. Maybe SCCA was thinking too big, too soon?
[QUOTE=greg donovan]could be fun to watch if it is executed correctly.[/QUOTE] I couldn't agree more. :)
| Ice racer | 05-21-2006 09:35 PM |
Can anyone tell me if there has ever been a Euro-style wheel to wheel Rallycross event in the States? Plans are coming together for our inagural event this summer and I want to know if it will be the first in the US.
Thanks,
Mike Kamm
A.M.E.C.
Thanks,
Mike Kamm
A.M.E.C.
| AlbaScoob | 05-21-2006 09:45 PM |
there's been talk for ages...we're still waiting to see it
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