| slidewaysmike | 07-03-2001 03:06 PM |
Speedvision is lost to us....
Well, looks like it is official. Speedvision is no longer going to be our safe haven.
According to the July 2 issue of AutoWeek, Speedvision is officially going to be about NASCAR.
Quoting FOX Sports Chairman, David Hill:
[quote]"We will be working on the 'Evolution' of Speedvision into a NASCAR channel." "We're looking at various program grids with more NASCAR materials, we'd like to get all the chages done by February, but that may be a bit optimistic." Hill would not rule out a name change for the network, although he noted Speedvision has strong brand equity.[/quote]
So thats that, life is going to begin to suck.:(:(:(
Mike
According to the July 2 issue of AutoWeek, Speedvision is officially going to be about NASCAR.
Quoting FOX Sports Chairman, David Hill:
[quote]"We will be working on the 'Evolution' of Speedvision into a NASCAR channel." "We're looking at various program grids with more NASCAR materials, we'd like to get all the chages done by February, but that may be a bit optimistic." Hill would not rule out a name change for the network, although he noted Speedvision has strong brand equity.[/quote]
So thats that, life is going to begin to suck.:(:(:(
Mike
| Will | 07-03-2001 03:32 PM |
Well the only good thing I can see out of this is that the change isn't going to be made until February or later. Which means we will still get the WRC marathon on Jan. 1st 2002.
I will also be able to cancel my cable subscription, since there will be nothing else worthwhile.
-Will
I will also be able to cancel my cable subscription, since there will be nothing else worthwhile.
-Will
| Opie | 07-03-2001 04:42 PM |
Hopefully FOX will only replace the boring shows (boats and airplanes) with NASCAR and leave the WRC, F1, NHRA, etc. alone.
Here is some more of what was said:
[QUOTE]Industry experts say the revamped Speedvision will emphasize NASCAR while incorporating other forms of racing and automotive collectors' shows. Speedvision generates $75 million per year in revenue, with annual advertising gains of 40% to 50% the past five years. It became profitable last year. [/QUOTE]
Here is some more of what was said:
[QUOTE]Industry experts say the revamped Speedvision will emphasize NASCAR while incorporating other forms of racing and automotive collectors' shows. Speedvision generates $75 million per year in revenue, with annual advertising gains of 40% to 50% the past five years. It became profitable last year. [/QUOTE]
| RallyNavvie | 07-03-2001 05:39 PM |
silly American motorsports
Below is the full rant that was snipped from SpecialStage :D
Beware that this is quite a slippery-slope argument and is only intended for it's satirical value.
So now Speedvision really is going to be converted to a NASCAR channel. Even if they leave rally, F1, and BTCC programming on it I'll be dry-heaving because of the name of the darn thing as I watch. That means instead of aircraft and watercraft programming, that 2/3 of programming will be NASCAR in addition to whatever programming NASCAR already has. You had to see this coming folks, it's just too bad that they blindsided us with this purchase of our favorite cable channel.
Don't get my wrong, I'm not totally against NASCAR racing. I do find it horrifically boring though. "Ooh ooh, here comes the next left turn. Ooh ooh, here comes another left turn. Ooh, look how well he drafts other people, he's sure to win." There are a few races where these drivers are forced to make other turns but comparatively the BTCC blokes would rip these guys a new exhaust-hole. Do I even have to mention F1 or rally drivers? Too bad the best stock car racing in the US ended in 1970. I would have liked to have seen 4000lb cars going around in a circle at 220mph. Sort of like watching Group B cars.
I [B]do[/B] however have something against most American cars. They have this nasty habit of falling apart withing 30 miles of the warranty expiring. Actually I thought that part was rather clever. Leave it to us to be so shifty as to make an automobile scream of Capitalism. The least they could do is make them easier to work on.
So what's next NASCAR? Are you going to take over rally racing in the US and grind it into the tarmac until we become NASCAR automatons? The paranoid part of me thinks purchasing Speedvision means selective programming so that your rally programming (if you even decide to keep it) will be on at 3am amidst Dale Earnhardt memorabilia infomercials. Shame on you, taking advantage of our addiction to rally to leave morsels of it on the channel just so we don't cancel our cable!
And what if NASCAR takes over rally? Two classes will be available to us: monster truck and production American car. Monster truck will inevitable be integrated to CORR which will become a NASCAR affiliate. Production American will only allow certain stock American cars with restrictor plates. Stages will try to be built with a dominance of safely cambered, moderate lefts and steer away from any sort of a hairpin, creek crossing, or yump. Eventually all rally stages will be on tarmac. Further evolution will make this tarmac stage a simpler oval so that spectators never have to leave their stadium seat. Besides, it's so much more difficult to charge people for sitting in the woods.
Anyway, that's my useless rant. I had time to kill here at work. Be sure to take that whole thing with a grain of salt, it's all in fun :lol:
Beware that this is quite a slippery-slope argument and is only intended for it's satirical value.
So now Speedvision really is going to be converted to a NASCAR channel. Even if they leave rally, F1, and BTCC programming on it I'll be dry-heaving because of the name of the darn thing as I watch. That means instead of aircraft and watercraft programming, that 2/3 of programming will be NASCAR in addition to whatever programming NASCAR already has. You had to see this coming folks, it's just too bad that they blindsided us with this purchase of our favorite cable channel.
Don't get my wrong, I'm not totally against NASCAR racing. I do find it horrifically boring though. "Ooh ooh, here comes the next left turn. Ooh ooh, here comes another left turn. Ooh, look how well he drafts other people, he's sure to win." There are a few races where these drivers are forced to make other turns but comparatively the BTCC blokes would rip these guys a new exhaust-hole. Do I even have to mention F1 or rally drivers? Too bad the best stock car racing in the US ended in 1970. I would have liked to have seen 4000lb cars going around in a circle at 220mph. Sort of like watching Group B cars.
I [B]do[/B] however have something against most American cars. They have this nasty habit of falling apart withing 30 miles of the warranty expiring. Actually I thought that part was rather clever. Leave it to us to be so shifty as to make an automobile scream of Capitalism. The least they could do is make them easier to work on.
So what's next NASCAR? Are you going to take over rally racing in the US and grind it into the tarmac until we become NASCAR automatons? The paranoid part of me thinks purchasing Speedvision means selective programming so that your rally programming (if you even decide to keep it) will be on at 3am amidst Dale Earnhardt memorabilia infomercials. Shame on you, taking advantage of our addiction to rally to leave morsels of it on the channel just so we don't cancel our cable!
And what if NASCAR takes over rally? Two classes will be available to us: monster truck and production American car. Monster truck will inevitable be integrated to CORR which will become a NASCAR affiliate. Production American will only allow certain stock American cars with restrictor plates. Stages will try to be built with a dominance of safely cambered, moderate lefts and steer away from any sort of a hairpin, creek crossing, or yump. Eventually all rally stages will be on tarmac. Further evolution will make this tarmac stage a simpler oval so that spectators never have to leave their stadium seat. Besides, it's so much more difficult to charge people for sitting in the woods.
Anyway, that's my useless rant. I had time to kill here at work. Be sure to take that whole thing with a grain of salt, it's all in fun :lol:
| garface | 07-03-2001 10:15 PM |
What happened to the owner of Prodrive doing something with Speedvision. I don't remember exactly what, maybe just the rally coverage, but I do remember something about him. Anyone remember?
| scotto | 07-03-2001 11:47 PM |
Well, let's hit speedvision with our "likes" so they know who is paying the bills. (Won't it be a surprise to them that NASCAR is not the end all in the US.)
The full 24 hour coverage of LeMans is kinda amazing.
Their announcing is pretty good too.
The full 24 hour coverage of LeMans is kinda amazing.
Their announcing is pretty good too.
| TOMMY B | 07-04-2001 07:33 AM |
I'm going to be sick//////////
Thanks for the bad news,:(
NASCAR makes me sick every SAT and SUNDAY "Removed comment"
Now I can make my self sick 7 days a week.
Go to: noright.com and see for your self.
RALLY ON ////////////////
NASCAR makes me sick every SAT and SUNDAY "Removed comment"
Now I can make my self sick 7 days a week.
Go to: noright.com and see for your self.
RALLY ON ////////////////
| PURE EPI | 07-04-2001 01:00 PM |
Look, I'm not going to get on here and bash NASCAR... we a;; have our feelings towards it. just like people of other religions, genders other ethinicities... even homosexuals...
JUST DON'T TRY TO INFRINGE ON MY LIKES AND BELIEFS!!!
I'm not saying that Speedvision is a Constitutional right (God knows it should be) but, what's next honestly? I know that if you own something, you have the right to do whatever you want... but COME ON!!! Even the NASCAR fans can only take so much coverage.... Speedvision is aobut just that....speed..... land ...air....sea.... I'm SURE that their are people in FL and other coastals that follow the offshore racing and are VERY thankful for a channel such as this. We were ecstatic when WRC was still HALF AN HOUR!!!!
To all people associated with this merger, pleae don't change anything... keep the diversity. Or you could end up losing your target audience.
Thank you.
JUST DON'T TRY TO INFRINGE ON MY LIKES AND BELIEFS!!!
I'm not saying that Speedvision is a Constitutional right (God knows it should be) but, what's next honestly? I know that if you own something, you have the right to do whatever you want... but COME ON!!! Even the NASCAR fans can only take so much coverage.... Speedvision is aobut just that....speed..... land ...air....sea.... I'm SURE that their are people in FL and other coastals that follow the offshore racing and are VERY thankful for a channel such as this. We were ecstatic when WRC was still HALF AN HOUR!!!!
To all people associated with this merger, pleae don't change anything... keep the diversity. Or you could end up losing your target audience.
Thank you.
| PURE EPI | 07-04-2001 01:08 PM |
soemthing I just tought of.... maybe we could STEER them in that direction...
Is it FOX sports that is buying it? as in channel 5 ...X files and all that? they are all abotu cutting edge "dangerous" and XTREME sports right? WELL THEN THERE YOU GO!!!! that's what rally is.... I'd love to see it on Prime time... can you imagine that?
tonite on Fox..... from the hills of Italy comes the San Remo Rally!! steeped in tradition for decades, this race tests not just machine but man as well. In a run not against each other, but against the clock. Run at impossible speeds, some of the best drivers in the world tempt disaster waiting just a few inches off the roads... and you thought NASCAR was intense!! Join us for a head-first dive into the world of International Rallying...
tonite on Fox 35. at 8pm E/C
Is it FOX sports that is buying it? as in channel 5 ...X files and all that? they are all abotu cutting edge "dangerous" and XTREME sports right? WELL THEN THERE YOU GO!!!! that's what rally is.... I'd love to see it on Prime time... can you imagine that?
tonite on Fox..... from the hills of Italy comes the San Remo Rally!! steeped in tradition for decades, this race tests not just machine but man as well. In a run not against each other, but against the clock. Run at impossible speeds, some of the best drivers in the world tempt disaster waiting just a few inches off the roads... and you thought NASCAR was intense!! Join us for a head-first dive into the world of International Rallying...
tonite on Fox 35. at 8pm E/C
| garface | 07-04-2001 01:15 PM |
PURE EPI, that actually gave me chills.
| slidewaysmike | 07-04-2001 01:39 PM |
I've said this before and I'm gonna say it again.
FOX has their own sports channels already!!!! They have like 20 FOX Sports Net affiliates!!! [b]Why don't they just use those???[/b] Instead they think they need to buy out another network and ruin it for all of those people that currently like the programming on Speedvision.:mad::mad:
I mean here is the thing thats confusing. First of all, if you notice from Opie's post,
[quote]Industry experts say the revamped Speedvision will emphasize NASCAR while incorporating other forms of racing and automotive collectors' shows. Speedvision generates $75 million per year in revenue, with annual advertising gains of 40% to 50% the past five years. It became profitable last year.[/quote]
it is obvious that the way Speedvision is run, and the programming that you find there are working for that channel. So why go in and change it? I mean I could understand why FOX might want to buy a profitable channel and reap the benefits of it, but why not just dedicate one of your other millions of Sports channels to NASCAR and sit back and enjoy the profits of both?
I'm just really angry about this. It doesn't make any sense.
Mike
FOX has their own sports channels already!!!! They have like 20 FOX Sports Net affiliates!!! [b]Why don't they just use those???[/b] Instead they think they need to buy out another network and ruin it for all of those people that currently like the programming on Speedvision.:mad::mad:
I mean here is the thing thats confusing. First of all, if you notice from Opie's post,
[quote]Industry experts say the revamped Speedvision will emphasize NASCAR while incorporating other forms of racing and automotive collectors' shows. Speedvision generates $75 million per year in revenue, with annual advertising gains of 40% to 50% the past five years. It became profitable last year.[/quote]
it is obvious that the way Speedvision is run, and the programming that you find there are working for that channel. So why go in and change it? I mean I could understand why FOX might want to buy a profitable channel and reap the benefits of it, but why not just dedicate one of your other millions of Sports channels to NASCAR and sit back and enjoy the profits of both?
I'm just really angry about this. It doesn't make any sense.
Mike
| Tony | 07-04-2001 03:33 PM |
As much as I hate it too it makes sense from a business standpoint. They chose Speedvision because it's carried by a lot more cable companies than their various FOX sports channels and is already know for automobile racing (good for advertising money). They'd get their foot in the door faster by assimilating (Star-Trek reference intended) Speedvision.
Last time I looked there were about 28000 signatures on the petition. How many *millions* watch roundy-round racing?
Doesn't look good for us. I'm hoping another channel will fill the void within a year.
Tony
Last time I looked there were about 28000 signatures on the petition. How many *millions* watch roundy-round racing?
Doesn't look good for us. I'm hoping another channel will fill the void within a year.
Tony
| wrxcanada | 07-05-2001 01:26 AM |
Don't just complain, send them a note and tell them how much you love WRC and F1.
[[email protected] ][email protected] [/EMAIL]
[[email protected] ][email protected] [/EMAIL]
| Greg Sharpe | 07-05-2001 03:51 AM |
I find this ironic... Just a few months ago, NASCAR signed a cable deal with someone (who?), and because of that deal Speedvisions SpeedWeek show wasn't allowed to show clips of the weeks NASCAR racing. So the poor 'ol anchors have to talk about the racing without any footage of it! BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE... now FOX wants to turn SV into NASCAR central. How ironic!
| SubEd | 07-05-2001 07:03 AM |
Thanks for the link, Canada! Everyone send them a quick note!
Ed
Ed
| Tkacik | 07-05-2001 09:43 AM |
Wow, even my mom is upset about this news....Wow.:(:(:(
| the_gille | 07-05-2001 11:22 AM |
I think that Ill go home and cry on my lunch break:( :mad: :( What a load of crap this whole deal is! No NASCAR is one of the reasons that I like Speedvision so much. Hopefully they will just fill in the gaps with this NASCAR crap.(sport truck connection can go) Must have F1, WRC, Le Mans, 2-wheele Tues., Grand Am, and for Gods sake they need to bring back British Touring Cars!
Ben
Ben
| Opie | 07-05-2001 11:26 AM |
the_gille - Speedvision (for now) still carries the British Touring Cars, unfortuneatlely (sp), because of foot and mouth disease many races have been cancelled this year.
| the_gille | 07-05-2001 12:14 PM |
Ahhh, I see. Just sent them an e-mail. Not that it will do much good.
Ben
Ben
| skuttledude | 07-05-2001 01:46 PM |
link please
would somebody please give a link about the fox sports acquiring Speedvision news?
I need evidence that Fox actually bought SPV (for NASCAR purposes)...it can't be true! Dreaming right? Link?
Thanks,
Davis
I need evidence that Fox actually bought SPV (for NASCAR purposes)...it can't be true! Dreaming right? Link?
Thanks,
Davis
| scotto | 07-05-2001 02:44 PM |
Thanks wrxcanada for the link, I wrote them and also signed the above petition! Hope all who care will write.
| slidewaysmike | 07-05-2001 03:35 PM |
Davis K. Powers---> Click on this link:[URL=http://www.autoweek.com/]Autoweek[/URL] and then go to the motorsports news section. Look for an article about NASCAR wrapping up there network coverage on FOX or something like that.
Mike
Mike
| mjiWRX | 07-05-2001 10:16 PM |
NASCAR is the most boring thing ever. I swear to God I will be pissed if they mess up WRC on Monday nights. Plus I love all the Legend of Motorsport series and the classic sports and musclecar programs they show. Heck, I even love the Barrett-Jackson auction that they have live; what unbelievable cars they have (too bad you need Bill Gates money to purchase some of them.) Ah, and one of my all time favorite shows is the History of Ferrari sports cars with that lucky Brit driving them all in the streets (friggin' he drove a racecar on the street!!! What beats that?!?!)
RIP Speedvision...I will miss thee.
RIP Speedvision...I will miss thee.
| umop-apisdn | 07-06-2001 10:39 AM |
Online petition to save SpeedVision content
You all know by now that Fox Television has bought SpeedVision and is planning on turning it into an "All Nascar, All the Time" only channel. This would mean an end to the minimal amount of coverage that WRC, Formula 1 and Endurance Racing gets in the US. There is a petition online which is taking signatures to try to convince Fox that there already is a fanbase watching SpeedVision and we have no where else to go. There are already 34,000+ signature on it but every additional one counts. If there are enough people, then hopfully Fox will realize that they have a captive market and will decide against making yet another Nascar channel. If we can get enough names on there than maybe Fox will realize that not only would it be a crime against all humanity, but more importantly (well to them anyway) it would not make good business sense.
Please go to the following link to help...
[url]http://www.PetitionOnline.com/svsn/[/url]
If you are members of other forums, online groups, or clubs please send this link to their members as well so that we can try to save SpeedVision before it is too late. Let's not just fall back and watch one of the only channels which appreciates the fact that there ARE other types of racing than Nascar be turned into yet another straight, left, straight, left (ad infinum).... channel.
James Elliott
umop-apisdn
Please go to the following link to help...
[url]http://www.PetitionOnline.com/svsn/[/url]
If you are members of other forums, online groups, or clubs please send this link to their members as well so that we can try to save SpeedVision before it is too late. Let's not just fall back and watch one of the only channels which appreciates the fact that there ARE other types of racing than Nascar be turned into yet another straight, left, straight, left (ad infinum).... channel.
James Elliott
umop-apisdn
| mclmk8d | 07-06-2001 03:39 PM |
email to Speedvision
This is the e-mail I sent to Speedvision:
I read this on th I-Club (Subaru board) regarding the buyout of Speedvision by Fox.
Quoting FOX Sports Chairman, David Hill:
quote:
We will be working on the 'Evolution' of Speedvision into a NASCAR channel." "We're looking at various program grids with more NASCAR
materials, we'd like to get all the chages done by February, but that
may be a bit optimistic." Hill would not rule out a name change for the
network, although he noted Speedvision has strong brand equity.
If this is true, then you will be losing a lot of viewers like myself and my family who don't care one bit about NASCAR; and watch Speedvision for their fantastic coverage of F1, rallying, LeMans and endurance racing, and other forms of road racing. There is enough coverage of Nascar (too much, as far as I am concerned). Look at the resurgence of Formula 1 and rallyong in the US; look at the growth of the ALMS and endurance racing. This is the true Motorsports world. I, for one, intend to start a national campaign against this change, including letter-writing, petitions, and a boycott of EVERY ADVERTISER that buys time on Speedvision.
Does anyone have the link to Fox? If so, please post it.
I read this on th I-Club (Subaru board) regarding the buyout of Speedvision by Fox.
Quoting FOX Sports Chairman, David Hill:
quote:
We will be working on the 'Evolution' of Speedvision into a NASCAR channel." "We're looking at various program grids with more NASCAR
materials, we'd like to get all the chages done by February, but that
may be a bit optimistic." Hill would not rule out a name change for the
network, although he noted Speedvision has strong brand equity.
If this is true, then you will be losing a lot of viewers like myself and my family who don't care one bit about NASCAR; and watch Speedvision for their fantastic coverage of F1, rallying, LeMans and endurance racing, and other forms of road racing. There is enough coverage of Nascar (too much, as far as I am concerned). Look at the resurgence of Formula 1 and rallyong in the US; look at the growth of the ALMS and endurance racing. This is the true Motorsports world. I, for one, intend to start a national campaign against this change, including letter-writing, petitions, and a boycott of EVERY ADVERTISER that buys time on Speedvision.
Does anyone have the link to Fox? If so, please post it.
| bat | 07-06-2001 04:12 PM |
Argh
It's stuff like this that makes me want to move to Europe. (Not to mention that they actually drive some of these cars.) Bah!
Brian
Brian
| Scooby do | 07-07-2001 01:02 PM |
I was just told that Fox lost NASCAR for 2002? Is that true?
Later
Later
| Streetman | 07-11-2001 03:54 PM |
WAIT JUST A MINUTE!
Check out this link:
[url]http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/ama_superbike/010708d.html[/url]
If you don't have time to read the article, basically it's about speedvision carrying the Daytona 200 AMA motorcycle race in 2002.
Except for the last paragraph, in which [B]Speedvision Productions President Dan Murphy states, "That's what is going to come in 2002 so I don't see the NASCAR Channel coming anytime soon. When you see what we do with the Daytona 200 you'll be proud to know us." [/B]
That's speedvision's productions president. Looks like we might be spared.
Josh
Check out this link:
[url]http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/motorcycles/ama_superbike/010708d.html[/url]
If you don't have time to read the article, basically it's about speedvision carrying the Daytona 200 AMA motorcycle race in 2002.
Except for the last paragraph, in which [B]Speedvision Productions President Dan Murphy states, "That's what is going to come in 2002 so I don't see the NASCAR Channel coming anytime soon. When you see what we do with the Daytona 200 you'll be proud to know us." [/B]
That's speedvision's productions president. Looks like we might be spared.
Josh
| Subi Chicky | 07-12-2001 08:47 AM |
:rolleyes:
Good things never last.
Well, I work for a cable TV station, and I know they like to listen to their viewers, so my fingers are crossed. I also like to stay optimistic, so I'll be monitoring the programming very closely throughout the next month or two in hopes that they keep following the types of racing I've really come to love (F1, WRC, BTCC, AMA and FIM MotoGP, etc.)
As a single female who supports myself, I can barely afford to buy myself a new outfit once a month, yet I gladly shell out the $40++ a month for cable for one reason: Speedvision. Even as a music freak, I was never willing to get cable for MTV or VH1, but I did it for Speedvision.
I have been to live NASCAR races. I was bored to tears. I have been to live rallies. I loved them.
I understand that NASCAR is a well-loved sport here in the US, especially the South (believe me, as a 12th generation Southerner, I get stereotyped as a NASCAR fan all the time). NASCAR is racing, and I love racing. But in this case it does not follow that because NASCAR is racing and I love racing that I love NASCAR.
I will certainly cancel my cable subscription if the programming on Speedvision shifts to a mostly-NASCAR focus.
Sad but true.
And I intend to let Speedvision know.
Good things never last.
Well, I work for a cable TV station, and I know they like to listen to their viewers, so my fingers are crossed. I also like to stay optimistic, so I'll be monitoring the programming very closely throughout the next month or two in hopes that they keep following the types of racing I've really come to love (F1, WRC, BTCC, AMA and FIM MotoGP, etc.)
As a single female who supports myself, I can barely afford to buy myself a new outfit once a month, yet I gladly shell out the $40++ a month for cable for one reason: Speedvision. Even as a music freak, I was never willing to get cable for MTV or VH1, but I did it for Speedvision.
I have been to live NASCAR races. I was bored to tears. I have been to live rallies. I loved them.
I understand that NASCAR is a well-loved sport here in the US, especially the South (believe me, as a 12th generation Southerner, I get stereotyped as a NASCAR fan all the time). NASCAR is racing, and I love racing. But in this case it does not follow that because NASCAR is racing and I love racing that I love NASCAR.
I will certainly cancel my cable subscription if the programming on Speedvision shifts to a mostly-NASCAR focus.
Sad but true.
And I intend to let Speedvision know.
| Scoobyslack1 | 07-12-2001 10:00 AM |
I haven't had cable for almost 2 years because the place I lived didn't offer Speedvision. Now I moved and have some more money I might get cable, but only if they have Speedvision. I might be forced to get Direct TV or something like that, I don't want to be locked into a contract if Speedvision changes their format. My father and older brother love NASCAR, but I think its boring.
I did put my name on that petition and hopefully they will listen.
I did put my name on that petition and hopefully they will listen.
| Marquis | 07-13-2001 08:10 AM |
OMG, that is absolutely abominable. I think all the top execs at NASCAR must have sold their soul to the devil. How else can a completely boring and pointless form of racing become America's leading motorsport? I mean, I know people are stupid, but are they *all* really that stupid? Ugh...
What little faith I had left in society has been wiped away by this decision. May the Apocalypse come soon so that I don't have to endure this any longer...
What little faith I had left in society has been wiped away by this decision. May the Apocalypse come soon so that I don't have to endure this any longer...
| nitrousjunkie68 | 07-13-2001 07:48 PM |
that link is hilarious!!!!! that jenson button comparison thing was funny!!!:) :) i will admit, it is cool to see the final 5 laps of a race, and it was col to see Dale Jr. win at Daytona, but by taking away Rally Racing, Formula 1, and shifter kart racing, they are losing me as a viewer. they probably dont care, though.:mad:
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