| MNbiker | 01-25-2003 01:21 PM |
Best setup for SM?
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I know there was a thread on this subject a while back, but darned if I can find it! :confused:
Anyhow, I'd like to hear what you guys (and gals) think of the feasibility of building up a '95 Impreza 2 dr AWD for SM? I thought about 2WD, but at 2400lbs, it's pretty porky for the 1900lb FWD turbo minimum. HOWEVER, the AWD L is only 2605lbs, right at the 2600lb turbo minimum. Even with a slew of parts changes/upgrades, you'd think it would be pretty easy to keep right at the minimum weight with a few lightened parts to offset a heavier engine, etc. On the surface, this seems like a cheaper/better route to go for an SM car than a WRX or STi.
Continuing down this path:
1) How easy would it be to drop a 2.5L engine into an L? I'm assuming the optimal setup would be a 350+hp 2.5L turbo, although a 2.0L WRX engine might also be an option.
[EDIT]
Here are a few threads I found, related to engine swaps. Sounds like using an EJ20 (US WRX) engine would be the best option for now. The dream engine would be one from a new 2.5L USDM STi, but that would up the cost considerably, until a few people start wrecking them!
Engine conversion thread
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85223&highlight=turbo+conversion[/url]
Another engine conversion thread
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295052&highlight=turbo+conversion[/url]
Yet another (an excellent thread)
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=276668[/url]
2) Can WRX/STi drivetrain pieces bolt up to the L? I'm guessing the stock L AWD drivetrain would be instantly shredded by a high HP engine. I assume drivetrain upgrades would be the most expensive part of this project, as top-notch differentials would be imperative.
3) Any significant suspension deficiencies with the L's? In SM, I think you can change out pretty much anything, as long as it bolts to the same places.
95 AWD L's are cheap, especially if I could find one with a blown engine. This could make for a really interesting & unique project. Thoughts, ideas?
Thx
-Steve
p.s. I can already hear my wife groaning about another project car sitting in the front of the garage.....:devil: :D
Anyhow, I'd like to hear what you guys (and gals) think of the feasibility of building up a '95 Impreza 2 dr AWD for SM? I thought about 2WD, but at 2400lbs, it's pretty porky for the 1900lb FWD turbo minimum. HOWEVER, the AWD L is only 2605lbs, right at the 2600lb turbo minimum. Even with a slew of parts changes/upgrades, you'd think it would be pretty easy to keep right at the minimum weight with a few lightened parts to offset a heavier engine, etc. On the surface, this seems like a cheaper/better route to go for an SM car than a WRX or STi.
Continuing down this path:
1) How easy would it be to drop a 2.5L engine into an L? I'm assuming the optimal setup would be a 350+hp 2.5L turbo, although a 2.0L WRX engine might also be an option.
[EDIT]
Here are a few threads I found, related to engine swaps. Sounds like using an EJ20 (US WRX) engine would be the best option for now. The dream engine would be one from a new 2.5L USDM STi, but that would up the cost considerably, until a few people start wrecking them!
Engine conversion thread
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85223&highlight=turbo+conversion[/url]
Another engine conversion thread
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295052&highlight=turbo+conversion[/url]
Yet another (an excellent thread)
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=276668[/url]
2) Can WRX/STi drivetrain pieces bolt up to the L? I'm guessing the stock L AWD drivetrain would be instantly shredded by a high HP engine. I assume drivetrain upgrades would be the most expensive part of this project, as top-notch differentials would be imperative.
3) Any significant suspension deficiencies with the L's? In SM, I think you can change out pretty much anything, as long as it bolts to the same places.
95 AWD L's are cheap, especially if I could find one with a blown engine. This could make for a really interesting & unique project. Thoughts, ideas?
Thx
-Steve
p.s. I can already hear my wife groaning about another project car sitting in the front of the garage.....:devil: :D
| MNbiker | 01-26-2003 10:13 AM |
Found lots of good info on engine conversions, but very little on drivetrain issues. any experts out there?
-Steve
-Steve
| Storm | 01-26-2003 11:51 AM |
Well, until folks who have swapped more powerful motors onto the existing L drivetrain develop problems, we won't really know how weak they are.
Most WRX swaps use the WRX tranny and rear diff as well. There's a few 2.5s going around now with L drivetrains as well as a few turbo'd 1.8's running around with the stock drivetrain. Those people will be the ones who can say for sure that the L stuff is weak.
Soon, I'll be one of those who'll know for sure.....as this is my current course. 2.5 first, light NA build, then later on, F.I. Only upgrading drivetrain parts as they fail, if they fail.
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
Most WRX swaps use the WRX tranny and rear diff as well. There's a few 2.5s going around now with L drivetrains as well as a few turbo'd 1.8's running around with the stock drivetrain. Those people will be the ones who can say for sure that the L stuff is weak.
Soon, I'll be one of those who'll know for sure.....as this is my current course. 2.5 first, light NA build, then later on, F.I. Only upgrading drivetrain parts as they fail, if they fail.
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
| mlambert | 01-26-2003 12:32 PM |
Would be kinda a pain swapping in the STi EJ25 with all the wiring (drive by wire comes to mind). Id think that a legacy closed deck EJ22 would make for a nice 2600lb L motor. More low end grunt and able to withstand alot of boost. You might wanna give Jeff Perrin, hes done a few swaps into L's with EJ205's.
| MNbiker | 01-26-2003 12:41 PM |
Jay,
I agree a WRX engine/tranny/diff swap would probably be the cleanest. For AutoX, the WRX tranny would probably be OK for 300+ HP, so I could probably get by without forking out the $$$ for a 6sp or upgraded tranny parts. An upgraded clutch would probably be in order.
However, some upgraded diff's would be critical to making the car competitive in SM. I confess to being pretty ignorant on the intricacies of Suby diff. alternatives - Anyone have recommendations on what would work best? I'm guessing DCCD would be ideal, but I'm not sure how feasible/available the parts are.
-Steve
I agree a WRX engine/tranny/diff swap would probably be the cleanest. For AutoX, the WRX tranny would probably be OK for 300+ HP, so I could probably get by without forking out the $$$ for a 6sp or upgraded tranny parts. An upgraded clutch would probably be in order.
However, some upgraded diff's would be critical to making the car competitive in SM. I confess to being pretty ignorant on the intricacies of Suby diff. alternatives - Anyone have recommendations on what would work best? I'm guessing DCCD would be ideal, but I'm not sure how feasible/available the parts are.
-Steve
| MNbiker | 01-26-2003 04:45 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mlambert [/i]
[B]Id think that a legacy closed deck EJ22 would make for a nice 2600lb L motor. More low end grunt and able to withstand alot of boost. You might wanna give Jeff Perrin, hes done a few swaps into L's with EJ205's. [/B][/QUOTE]
In shopping around for 95-97 L's & Brighton's, I'm finding quite a few with 2.2L engines. Is this the same closed deck EJ22 as in the Legacy? It would be a whole lot easier to rebuild an engine, vs. a complete swap-out!
You're right, all the electronics on the new 2.5L engine would liekly be a pain to get installed/sorted out.
-Steve
[B]Id think that a legacy closed deck EJ22 would make for a nice 2600lb L motor. More low end grunt and able to withstand alot of boost. You might wanna give Jeff Perrin, hes done a few swaps into L's with EJ205's. [/B][/QUOTE]
In shopping around for 95-97 L's & Brighton's, I'm finding quite a few with 2.2L engines. Is this the same closed deck EJ22 as in the Legacy? It would be a whole lot easier to rebuild an engine, vs. a complete swap-out!
You're right, all the electronics on the new 2.5L engine would liekly be a pain to get installed/sorted out.
-Steve
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-27-2003 12:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]
In shopping around for 95-97 L's & Brighton's, I'm finding quite a few with 2.2L engines. Is this the same closed deck EJ22 as in the Legacy? It would be a whole lot easier to rebuild an engine, vs. a complete swap-out!
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
No, only the Legacy turbo (and the 22B) had a closed deck 2.2L block
and the rules have changed on minimum wieght, it would now be 2300lbs for that set up.
But I see no [COLOR=red]legal[/COLOR] way of getting the wieght down that low w/o spending an enormous amount of money
Right now I'll be happy if I can get my car down to 2600lbs
Alan
[URL=http://www.team-arg.com]Team ARG![/URL]
[B]
In shopping around for 95-97 L's & Brighton's, I'm finding quite a few with 2.2L engines. Is this the same closed deck EJ22 as in the Legacy? It would be a whole lot easier to rebuild an engine, vs. a complete swap-out!
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
No, only the Legacy turbo (and the 22B) had a closed deck 2.2L block
and the rules have changed on minimum wieght, it would now be 2300lbs for that set up.
But I see no [COLOR=red]legal[/COLOR] way of getting the wieght down that low w/o spending an enormous amount of money
Right now I'll be happy if I can get my car down to 2600lbs
Alan
[URL=http://www.team-arg.com]Team ARG![/URL]
| MNbiker | 01-27-2003 03:22 PM |
Alan,
Turbo Legacy only for the closed-deck eh? That makes parts sourcing a bit more challenging. Simply sliding in an EJ20 sounds a lot easier, although it sure would be nice to have the extra displacement. LaChute has some nice STi engine/drivetrain combos w/adjustable diff's that sound pretty intiguing. Anyone know how much weight an STiV5 engine/drivetrain would add, vs. the stock 93-97 L setup?
Are you sure abut the 2,300lb minimum? I thought that was the minimum for SM2, not SM.
Have you spent much time calculating weights? Although 2,300 would be a huge stretch, it sure seems like <2,500 would be attainable with some simple mods (lighter seats, lose the spare & A/C, lose the rear seat).
-Steve
Turbo Legacy only for the closed-deck eh? That makes parts sourcing a bit more challenging. Simply sliding in an EJ20 sounds a lot easier, although it sure would be nice to have the extra displacement. LaChute has some nice STi engine/drivetrain combos w/adjustable diff's that sound pretty intiguing. Anyone know how much weight an STiV5 engine/drivetrain would add, vs. the stock 93-97 L setup?
Are you sure abut the 2,300lb minimum? I thought that was the minimum for SM2, not SM.
Have you spent much time calculating weights? Although 2,300 would be a huge stretch, it sure seems like <2,500 would be attainable with some simple mods (lighter seats, lose the spare & A/C, lose the rear seat).
-Steve
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-27-2003 03:40 PM |
Parts are not that hard to find since so many of the Subaru parts are interchangeble.
well since I've been adding wieght to the car; strut tower bars, camber plates, rear anti-sway bar, turbo, intercooler, bigger front brakes.....getting it back down to it's original wieght won't be that easy. :rolleyes:
I won't be taking the AC out for while, it's my only car. New seats are in the plans for the near future and the rear seat is a heavy 1lb that I can loose :lol:
I got the 2300lb from one of the new Sports Car issues. They also changed the engine sizes, 4.0L and under now.
Alan
Team ARG!
well since I've been adding wieght to the car; strut tower bars, camber plates, rear anti-sway bar, turbo, intercooler, bigger front brakes.....getting it back down to it's original wieght won't be that easy. :rolleyes:
I won't be taking the AC out for while, it's my only car. New seats are in the plans for the near future and the rear seat is a heavy 1lb that I can loose :lol:
I got the 2300lb from one of the new Sports Car issues. They also changed the engine sizes, 4.0L and under now.
Alan
Team ARG!
| zzyzx | 01-27-2003 05:11 PM |
Ok, it was high time to dispel the "back seat weighs nothing myth". I happened to read this thread, have my back seat on my 2000 2.5 RS out, and have my handy-dandy Normark IGFA certified 50lb. fishing scale at my disposal.
Here are the facts, gentlemen:
Upper rear seat unit: 10 lbs, 1 ounce
Lower rear sear unit: 10 lbs, 11 ounces
Horizontal support bar for upper sear unit: 1 lb, 15 ounces
Total weight: 22 pounds, 11 ounces, or in decimal, 22.69 lbs.
Good luck trying to find something else so easy to remove that weighs near 23 lbs and costs nothing.
- Steve
Here are the facts, gentlemen:
Upper rear seat unit: 10 lbs, 1 ounce
Lower rear sear unit: 10 lbs, 11 ounces
Horizontal support bar for upper sear unit: 1 lb, 15 ounces
Total weight: 22 pounds, 11 ounces, or in decimal, 22.69 lbs.
Good luck trying to find something else so easy to remove that weighs near 23 lbs and costs nothing.
- Steve
| Midwayman | 01-27-2003 07:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zzyzx [/i]
[B]Good luck trying to find something else so easy to remove that weighs near 23 lbs and costs nothing.
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*cough* spare tire *cough*
*cough* jack *cough*
However the real issue with turbo impreza is getting weight off the front of the car. Thats a bit harder, or at least more spendy.
[B]Good luck trying to find something else so easy to remove that weighs near 23 lbs and costs nothing.
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*cough* spare tire *cough*
*cough* jack *cough*
However the real issue with turbo impreza is getting weight off the front of the car. Thats a bit harder, or at least more spendy.
| MNbiker | 01-27-2003 08:39 PM |
Guys,
I finally found the old thread on this topic.
[B]Building an SM Class Killer WRX[/B]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259757&perpage=50&highlight=parts%20weight&pagenumber=1[/url]
It mostly discusses the WRX, but there's quite a bit of useful information on potential weight reductions. In reading through the thread, it quickly becomes apparent it would be LOTS easier & cheaper to get an old L closer to the weight limit. It will be a bit nose heavy, but so are the real lightweights (older Hondas, Ford Fiestas, etc.).
Speaking of which, I just confirmed the new displacement & weight limits in the January 2003 FasTrack:
Forced Induction OHC - 4.0 Liters
AWD - 2300lbs
That's a LOT of engine & not much weight.
-Steve
I finally found the old thread on this topic.
[B]Building an SM Class Killer WRX[/B]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259757&perpage=50&highlight=parts%20weight&pagenumber=1[/url]
It mostly discusses the WRX, but there's quite a bit of useful information on potential weight reductions. In reading through the thread, it quickly becomes apparent it would be LOTS easier & cheaper to get an old L closer to the weight limit. It will be a bit nose heavy, but so are the real lightweights (older Hondas, Ford Fiestas, etc.).
Speaking of which, I just confirmed the new displacement & weight limits in the January 2003 FasTrack:
Forced Induction OHC - 4.0 Liters
AWD - 2300lbs
That's a LOT of engine & not much weight.
-Steve
| Kostamojen | 01-28-2003 01:36 AM |
:p Dude, stop stealing my idea's!!!
I made a whole subject about this exact topic... Turning a '95 L into an Autocross monster:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165770&highlight=weight[/url]
Granted, the post needs some admendents... Like increasing fender space to fit 245+ series racing tires on the car...
Oh, and if you do alot of this stuff its possible you might end up in SM2 instead of regular SM... Which is supposedly not as competitive of a division.
I made a whole subject about this exact topic... Turning a '95 L into an Autocross monster:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165770&highlight=weight[/url]
Granted, the post needs some admendents... Like increasing fender space to fit 245+ series racing tires on the car...
Oh, and if you do alot of this stuff its possible you might end up in SM2 instead of regular SM... Which is supposedly not as competitive of a division.
| MNbiker | 01-28-2003 08:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]:p Dude, stop stealing my idea's!!![/B][/QUOTE]
I think we're all just renting this idea, until one of us actually does it! (still working on an angle that will sell this idea to the wife):p
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]Granted, the post needs some admendents... Like increasing fender space to fit 245+ series racing tires on the car...[/B][/QUOTE]
Nahh.....275/45-16 Hoosiers! Flares are free in SM - think big!:devil:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]Oh, and if you do alot of this stuff its possible you might end up in SM2 instead of regular SM... Which is supposedly not as competitive of a division. [/B][/QUOTE]
There were some ideas proposed in your thread that would take you completely out of SM/SM2. I'm thinking more along the lines of building specifically to SM rules. I'm gonna start putting together a build list for everyone to critique/ridicule, just to see how expensive this thing would be:rolleyes:
-Steve
[B]:p Dude, stop stealing my idea's!!![/B][/QUOTE]
I think we're all just renting this idea, until one of us actually does it! (still working on an angle that will sell this idea to the wife):p
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]Granted, the post needs some admendents... Like increasing fender space to fit 245+ series racing tires on the car...[/B][/QUOTE]
Nahh.....275/45-16 Hoosiers! Flares are free in SM - think big!:devil:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]Oh, and if you do alot of this stuff its possible you might end up in SM2 instead of regular SM... Which is supposedly not as competitive of a division. [/B][/QUOTE]
There were some ideas proposed in your thread that would take you completely out of SM/SM2. I'm thinking more along the lines of building specifically to SM rules. I'm gonna start putting together a build list for everyone to critique/ridicule, just to see how expensive this thing would be:rolleyes:
-Steve
| AWMIII | 01-28-2003 08:45 AM |
Steal Mark Daddio's skills. If he can be even a little competitive in his POS neon, any reasonable car can compete. Its all skills.
| MNbiker | 01-28-2003 08:58 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII [/i]
[B]Steal Mark Daddio's skills. If he can be even a little competitive in his POS neon, any reasonable car can compete. Its all skills. [/B][/QUOTE]
Skilled co-driver would be considered a must for car to be competitive!:D
-Steve
[B]Steal Mark Daddio's skills. If he can be even a little competitive in his POS neon, any reasonable car can compete. Its all skills. [/B][/QUOTE]
Skilled co-driver would be considered a must for car to be competitive!:D
-Steve
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-28-2003 10:02 AM |
uuummmmmm.........
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]
I think we're all just renting this idea, until one of us actually does it!
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
I have been racing in SM for the last 2 seasons w/my Brighton frankenstien :D [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=227226]some of it here[/URL] [URL=http://www.team-arg.com]and here[/URL]
Alan
[B]
I think we're all just renting this idea, until one of us actually does it!
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
I have been racing in SM for the last 2 seasons w/my Brighton frankenstien :D [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=227226]some of it here[/URL] [URL=http://www.team-arg.com]and here[/URL]
Alan
| BOY | 01-28-2003 10:36 AM |
The L is a great platform for a SM killer. I'd follow a similar engine build as Conebasher, 2.5L closed deck (9.0:1 compression!), cams, fmic, big turbo (only ~19 psi though). Now, seeing as you're already in a very light platform a closed deck 2.2L from a Legacy would be an very good choice also, as would a standard 2.2L with block reinforcement (probably the best trade off between lightness and weight). Shoot, you could get real crazy and try to shoehorn an H-6 or EJ33 in there... now that'd be fun! As for drivetrain, Conebasher uses the stock WRX tranny so it is more than capable of handling the power if taken care of... You may be able to save some weight and get better gearing if you go with a complete tranny swap.
| bemani | 01-28-2003 10:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Midwayman [/i]
[B]
*cough* spare tire *cough*
*cough* jack *cough*
[/B][/QUOTE]
That is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said ;) They'll make you take them out in tech anyway, not like you have a choice in such matter.
[B]
*cough* spare tire *cough*
*cough* jack *cough*
[/B][/QUOTE]
That is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said ;) They'll make you take them out in tech anyway, not like you have a choice in such matter.
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-28-2003 10:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]You may be able to save some weight and get better gearing if you go with a complete tranny swap. [/B][/QUOTE]
been there, done that.....'95 JDM WRX tranny w/'01 RS rear LSD :D
but it added some wieght do to having to replace my cable clutch with a hydralic clutch :(
[B]You may be able to save some weight and get better gearing if you go with a complete tranny swap. [/B][/QUOTE]
been there, done that.....'95 JDM WRX tranny w/'01 RS rear LSD :D
but it added some wieght do to having to replace my cable clutch with a hydralic clutch :(
| MNbiker | 01-28-2003 12:51 PM |
Re: uuummmmmm.........
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Scoobyslack1 [/i]
[B]I have been racing in SM for the last 2 seasons w/my Brighton frankenstien.[/URL]
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Alan,
I checked out your car on the Team Arg website - nice work! You're definitely a trailblazer!
Question - what are you doing for race wheels/tires? It doesn't look like you've done any fender mods to allow for serious rubber. Also, have you done any diff. upgrades? The standard Impreza parts leave a little to be desired for ultimate traction.
Thx!
-Steve
[B]I have been racing in SM for the last 2 seasons w/my Brighton frankenstien.[/URL]
[/B][/QUOTE]
Alan,
I checked out your car on the Team Arg website - nice work! You're definitely a trailblazer!
Question - what are you doing for race wheels/tires? It doesn't look like you've done any fender mods to allow for serious rubber. Also, have you done any diff. upgrades? The standard Impreza parts leave a little to be desired for ultimate traction.
Thx!
-Steve
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-28-2003 01:29 PM |
Re: Re: uuummmmmm.........
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]Question - what are you doing for race wheels/tires? It doesn't look like you've done any fender mods to allow for serious rubber. Also, have you done any diff. upgrades? The standard Impreza parts leave a little to be desired for ultimate traction.
Thx!
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
thanks
my 'race' tires are just Falken Azenis right now and the wheels are Legacy 15" alloys. I'll get something better after I get the car tuned, trying to get a Tec II from someone.
no fender mods beyond rolling the back
as stated above, I had to get a new rear diff, so I got a '01 RS LSD. Maybe I'll get a front one someday.
Alan
[B]Question - what are you doing for race wheels/tires? It doesn't look like you've done any fender mods to allow for serious rubber. Also, have you done any diff. upgrades? The standard Impreza parts leave a little to be desired for ultimate traction.
Thx!
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
thanks
my 'race' tires are just Falken Azenis right now and the wheels are Legacy 15" alloys. I'll get something better after I get the car tuned, trying to get a Tec II from someone.
no fender mods beyond rolling the back
as stated above, I had to get a new rear diff, so I got a '01 RS LSD. Maybe I'll get a front one someday.
Alan
| dwx | 01-28-2003 03:25 PM |
My perfect SM setup would be the Conebasher car with a different gearbox into like a 1993-1995 L. The problem with SM with a Subaru is some component in the equation is going to cost a bit of money. Bare bones setup would be like Alan's, put a EJ22T into one of the lighter weight chassis, do suspension mods, tighter gearing, front/rear LSDs. I'd opt for one of the 4.44 RA transmissions. (the bit of money part) Run a ECU that has launch control and/or antilag :) (another bit of money). Find a way to run some 255+ tires on it. Get custom piping to run one of the quicker spooling DSM turbos which are a bit cheaper.
The current SM kings are high horsepower but relatively heavy cars like M3s, one S4, and Supras. I think the turbo Civic hatches which are popular are traction limited to an extent. I really think a lightweight Subaru with a big engine could be competitive nationally in SM. And you could probably build the car for less than $10k.
Phil
The current SM kings are high horsepower but relatively heavy cars like M3s, one S4, and Supras. I think the turbo Civic hatches which are popular are traction limited to an extent. I really think a lightweight Subaru with a big engine could be competitive nationally in SM. And you could probably build the car for less than $10k.
Phil
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-28-2003 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx [/i]
[B] Find a way to run some 255+ tires on it. Get custom piping to run one of the quicker spooling DSM turbos which are a bit cheaper. Phil [/B][/QUOTE]
I am accepting donations to get the 22B body kit for my car , then I could run 255's :p
I was looking into getting something in a ball-bearing type turbo, anyone have a GT25 they don't need? ;)
Alan
[B] Find a way to run some 255+ tires on it. Get custom piping to run one of the quicker spooling DSM turbos which are a bit cheaper. Phil [/B][/QUOTE]
I am accepting donations to get the 22B body kit for my car , then I could run 255's :p
I was looking into getting something in a ball-bearing type turbo, anyone have a GT25 they don't need? ;)
Alan
| BOY | 01-28-2003 05:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Scoobyslack1 [/i]
[B]I am accepting donations to get the 22B body kit for my car , then I could run 255's :p
Alan [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, fenders can be flared/modified to fit larger wheels/tires but you cannot remove the original fender completely.
[B]I am accepting donations to get the 22B body kit for my car , then I could run 255's :p
Alan [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, fenders can be flared/modified to fit larger wheels/tires but you cannot remove the original fender completely.
| dwx | 01-28-2003 06:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]
Nope, fenders can be flared/modified to fit larger wheels/tires but you cannot remove the original fender completely. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think he was kidding...:rolleyes:
[B]
Nope, fenders can be flared/modified to fit larger wheels/tires but you cannot remove the original fender completely. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think he was kidding...:rolleyes:
| zzyzx | 01-29-2003 02:54 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Midwayman [/i]
[B]
*cough* spare tire *cough*
*cough* jack *cough*
[/B][/QUOTE]
Not [b]that[/b] was and intelligent and insightful comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
- Steve
[B]
*cough* spare tire *cough*
*cough* jack *cough*
[/B][/QUOTE]
Not [b]that[/b] was and intelligent and insightful comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
- Steve
| Kostamojen | 01-29-2003 03:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]
I think we're all just renting this idea, until one of us actually does it! (still working on an angle that will sell this idea to the wife):p
Nahh.....275/45-16 Hoosiers! Flares are free in SM - think big!:devil:
There were some ideas proposed in your thread that would take you completely out of SM/SM2. I'm thinking more along the lines of building specifically to SM rules. I'm gonna start putting together a build list for everyone to critique/ridicule, just to see how expensive this thing would be:rolleyes:
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ya, I know, it wouldnt be neccesarily SM... But alot of stuff does apply. I would probably end up shooting for some other cadigory just because I would end up tracking the car as well as autocrossing it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Scoobyslack1 [/i]
[B]but it added some wieght do to having to replace my cable clutch with a hydralic clutch :( [/B][/QUOTE]
I would think keeping the L tranny would be ideal to a point, possibly have some sort of custom LSD built instead, just to save weight. If it werent good enough, just screw weight and install a USDM STI tranny when they start becoming availible (mmmmm, DCCD, *droooooool*)
[B]
I think we're all just renting this idea, until one of us actually does it! (still working on an angle that will sell this idea to the wife):p
Nahh.....275/45-16 Hoosiers! Flares are free in SM - think big!:devil:
There were some ideas proposed in your thread that would take you completely out of SM/SM2. I'm thinking more along the lines of building specifically to SM rules. I'm gonna start putting together a build list for everyone to critique/ridicule, just to see how expensive this thing would be:rolleyes:
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ya, I know, it wouldnt be neccesarily SM... But alot of stuff does apply. I would probably end up shooting for some other cadigory just because I would end up tracking the car as well as autocrossing it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Scoobyslack1 [/i]
[B]but it added some wieght do to having to replace my cable clutch with a hydralic clutch :( [/B][/QUOTE]
I would think keeping the L tranny would be ideal to a point, possibly have some sort of custom LSD built instead, just to save weight. If it werent good enough, just screw weight and install a USDM STI tranny when they start becoming availible (mmmmm, DCCD, *droooooool*)
| Kostamojen | 01-29-2003 03:13 AM |
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!! Why hasnt anyone shown me pics of that green L with an RS hood before!!! :mad: :mad: :(
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-29-2003 10:36 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]
Nope, fenders can be flared/modified to fit larger wheels/tires but you cannot remove the original fender completely. [/B][/QUOTE]
update/backdate ;)
[B]
Nope, fenders can be flared/modified to fit larger wheels/tires but you cannot remove the original fender completely. [/B][/QUOTE]
update/backdate ;)
| BOY | 01-29-2003 11:22 AM |
Never sold the 22B here... sorry. Besides for update/backdate the 22B fenders would have to be Subaru part #s which you need a 22B vin for... sorry. You can add fender flares, you can cut your fenders to allow for wheel/tire clearance but you cannot swap fenders completely. Then again, in SM you don't have to have your wheels/tires contained under the fenders... just get some big azz mud flaps ;)
| Scoobyslack1 | 01-29-2003 11:50 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Scoobyslack1 [/i]
[B]
update/backdate ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
;) <----I used this to try to convey humor, I [COLOR=red]KNOW[/COLOR] that the 22B was never sold here, besides there has been talk about changing the rules on foreign models/variations
:rolleyes: damn you have no sense of humor ;) [SIZE=1]<--- look I used it again[/SIZE]
[B]
update/backdate ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
;) <----I used this to try to convey humor, I [COLOR=red]KNOW[/COLOR] that the 22B was never sold here, besides there has been talk about changing the rules on foreign models/variations
:rolleyes: damn you have no sense of humor ;) [SIZE=1]<--- look I used it again[/SIZE]
| MNbiker | 01-29-2003 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]Then again, in SM you don't have to have your wheels/tires contained under the fenders... just get some big azz mud flaps ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
ROTFL:D
It would be hilarious kicking some bimmer a$$ with a mud-encrusted Impreza L sporting some REALLY big rally mud flaps!
-Steve
[B]Then again, in SM you don't have to have your wheels/tires contained under the fenders... just get some big azz mud flaps ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
ROTFL:D
It would be hilarious kicking some bimmer a$$ with a mud-encrusted Impreza L sporting some REALLY big rally mud flaps!
-Steve
| BOY | 01-29-2003 11:55 AM |
ahhh, humor
| Kostamojen | 01-30-2003 02:54 AM |
Ok, I have this figured out now... Scoobyslack = Mini = dude I just emailed :p
I got it now :)
I got it now :)
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