| OnTheGas | 04-30-2003 03:59 PM |
F1 - Spanish GP - U Pick The Top 8
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[list][*]New [b]Ferrari[/b] F2003GA - fast yes, but reliable?[*][b]McLaren[/b] - Should suit this car, but who's faster here, DC or the iceman?[*][b]Williams[/b] - Constant developement has kept it fast, witness Ralfy fighting hard for the podium at Imola from the front row.
[b]Renault[/b] - The [b]Circuit de Catalunya[/b] likes much power, which the Renault doesn't have, and good handling, which the Renault does. Fernando mania will be in full force![*][b]The rest[/b] - This circuit is a test of reliability, power, and aero balance for the cars, and precision and consistancy for the drivers... Who can grab the last few points?[/list]
I will guess the following:[list=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - He wins often here. If the car don't break, he'll win[*][b]Rubens[/b] - Car will be faster, his mom didn't die recently, he could win... if his team-mate wasn't Schumie![*][b]DC[/b] - When his car is set-up well, he's very fast, and this is a major testing track[*][b]Kimi[/b] - Wicked fast...[*]Juan Pablo - He's due, his car could be better though[*][b]Ralfie[/b] - He's due, but he might be distracted...[*][b]Fernando mania![/b][*][b]Trulli[/b] - If he outperforms Fernando here, I'd be impressed![/list]
[b]Renault[/b] - The [b]Circuit de Catalunya[/b] likes much power, which the Renault doesn't have, and good handling, which the Renault does. Fernando mania will be in full force![*][b]The rest[/b] - This circuit is a test of reliability, power, and aero balance for the cars, and precision and consistancy for the drivers... Who can grab the last few points?[/list]
I will guess the following:[list=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - He wins often here. If the car don't break, he'll win[*][b]Rubens[/b] - Car will be faster, his mom didn't die recently, he could win... if his team-mate wasn't Schumie![*][b]DC[/b] - When his car is set-up well, he's very fast, and this is a major testing track[*][b]Kimi[/b] - Wicked fast...[*]Juan Pablo - He's due, his car could be better though[*][b]Ralfie[/b] - He's due, but he might be distracted...[*][b]Fernando mania![/b][*][b]Trulli[/b] - If he outperforms Fernando here, I'd be impressed![/list]
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-30-2003 04:05 PM |
K.Raikkonen
M.Schumacher
J.Montoya
D.Coulthard
R.Barrichello
F.Alonso
J.Button
J.Trulli
M.Schumacher
J.Montoya
D.Coulthard
R.Barrichello
F.Alonso
J.Button
J.Trulli
| tailout | 04-30-2003 05:21 PM |
MS
FA
KR
GF
MW
DC
RS
CD
Wild Picks for a wild race!
FA
KR
GF
MW
DC
RS
CD
Wild Picks for a wild race!
| LordBass | 04-30-2003 05:45 PM |
Tough to tell how this one will turn out.. Boring and conservative usually turns out ok:
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
R.Barrichello
D.Coulthard
J.Montoya
F.Alonso
R.Schumacher
M.Webber
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M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
R.Barrichello
D.Coulthard
J.Montoya
F.Alonso
R.Schumacher
M.Webber
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| OnTheGas | 04-30-2003 09:36 PM |
http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/
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For the impreza.net F1 Pick6 competition at [URL]http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/entry.asp?S=F1[/URL], the deadline is 6:00am, local time in Barcelona, on the day of first untimed practice, this Friday May 2nd.
So here in the states, that would be Thurdsay May 1st @ 12 midnight Eastern / 9PM Pacific.
If you haven't played, it's free, it tabulates our scores for us automagically, and you can sign up at [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/compete/register.asp]this link[/URL]. Where it asks for your "User group(s)", write "impreza.net".
Happy prognosticating!
So here in the states, that would be Thurdsay May 1st @ 12 midnight Eastern / 9PM Pacific.
If you haven't played, it's free, it tabulates our scores for us automagically, and you can sign up at [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/compete/register.asp]this link[/URL]. Where it asks for your "User group(s)", write "impreza.net".
Happy prognosticating!
| grandpa rex | 05-01-2003 09:10 AM |
1. MS
2. Raikkonen
3. Rubino
4. JPM
5. Freddie Alonso
6. DC
7. Trulli
8. Webber
2. Raikkonen
3. Rubino
4. JPM
5. Freddie Alonso
6. DC
7. Trulli
8. Webber
| ShockWave | 05-01-2003 10:11 AM |
for entertainment
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1) M. Schumacher ?EWill win significantly in the new car. Only mild damage as result of sonic boom as he crosses the speed of sound.
2) Barrrrichello ?EHis usual strong second.
3) M. Schumacher ?EMichael should have more then enough time to finish the race, take a short nap, and jump in the backup car to run the full length of the race again to take third.
4) Ron Dennis ?EWill actually run the length of the race in pursuit of FIA top officials at speeds good enough to come home in forth. Though the FIA officials are expected to finish ahead of Mr. Dennis, they will be disqualified for illegal use of Warhol hair (Ecclestone).
5) Raikkonen ?EOh yeah, there are some other people in race cars.
6) Button ?EWhat the heck, lets put Button here.
7) The Spanish Grand Prix Audience ?ESeventh, a superb effort given they waited to start moving toward the exits until after the cars get through the first turn of the first lap, the sum total of F1 competition.
8) The Minardi team ?EThe group, running from creditors, will finish just ahead this weekend to pick up their first point of the season.
As a special bonus,
9) Panis ?EConsistent as always.
2) Barrrrichello ?EHis usual strong second.
3) M. Schumacher ?EMichael should have more then enough time to finish the race, take a short nap, and jump in the backup car to run the full length of the race again to take third.
4) Ron Dennis ?EWill actually run the length of the race in pursuit of FIA top officials at speeds good enough to come home in forth. Though the FIA officials are expected to finish ahead of Mr. Dennis, they will be disqualified for illegal use of Warhol hair (Ecclestone).
5) Raikkonen ?EOh yeah, there are some other people in race cars.
6) Button ?EWhat the heck, lets put Button here.
7) The Spanish Grand Prix Audience ?ESeventh, a superb effort given they waited to start moving toward the exits until after the cars get through the first turn of the first lap, the sum total of F1 competition.
8) The Minardi team ?EThe group, running from creditors, will finish just ahead this weekend to pick up their first point of the season.
As a special bonus,
9) Panis ?EConsistent as always.
| Dr. WOT | 05-01-2003 11:01 AM |
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I must inform you that you are all wrong.
To avoid any further confusion, I will now post the correct results:
1> MS - if the car holds together he will win
2> DC- OTG is exactly correct, Adrian Newey's cars love the long corners at Barcelona
3> FA - the next big thing
4> JPM - Williams still looking for speed
5> JB - sticking it to ol' Jaques once again!!!
6> GF- building his case for a better ride next year
7> MW - continuing to impress
8> NH - a nice run for the Sauber
and of course, the bride's maid:
9> JV - yet again one place short of the points
To avoid any further confusion, I will now post the correct results:
1> MS - if the car holds together he will win
2> DC- OTG is exactly correct, Adrian Newey's cars love the long corners at Barcelona
3> FA - the next big thing
4> JPM - Williams still looking for speed
5> JB - sticking it to ol' Jaques once again!!!
6> GF- building his case for a better ride next year
7> MW - continuing to impress
8> NH - a nice run for the Sauber
and of course, the bride's maid:
9> JV - yet again one place short of the points
| gtguy | 05-01-2003 11:46 AM |
MS (The new car will be snakebit, but as usual, the lightning bolt will strike Rubens)
KR (Best of the rest, on a familiar track.)
RS (I think that Ralf still feels as if he has something to prove.)
DC (Because this guy is ALWAYS in the right place.)
JPM (I just don't think his driving style suits tire management, something necessary at Barcelona)
JFA (Alonso is the real deal.)
MW (The Jag is horsepower challenged, but Webber should pull something out.)
HHF (He's gotta do something sometime, why not here?)
Ferrari's new car is definitely fast, but how reliable is it? Rain could screw everything up again, too. I think that Ferrari is finally figuring out the rules, and that they are better off running the race from pole where they can run their own strategy, rather than trying to play the fuel load in qualifying game. They've shown that they have the speed to win even making one more stop than anyone else. Should be an interesting weekend.
DC has said that he isn't worried about the new F2003GA this weekend, because new cars always have teething pains, even though the 2002 won on its debut, and kept on winning. But with the revolutionary new setup, suspension rumble can cause problems with the engine, in addition to engine heat causing problems with the suspension (as Badoer found out at Fiorano...twice). Makes you wonder if they didn't debut the new car at Imola because of all the curb hopping the cars face.
Kevin
KR (Best of the rest, on a familiar track.)
RS (I think that Ralf still feels as if he has something to prove.)
DC (Because this guy is ALWAYS in the right place.)
JPM (I just don't think his driving style suits tire management, something necessary at Barcelona)
JFA (Alonso is the real deal.)
MW (The Jag is horsepower challenged, but Webber should pull something out.)
HHF (He's gotta do something sometime, why not here?)
Ferrari's new car is definitely fast, but how reliable is it? Rain could screw everything up again, too. I think that Ferrari is finally figuring out the rules, and that they are better off running the race from pole where they can run their own strategy, rather than trying to play the fuel load in qualifying game. They've shown that they have the speed to win even making one more stop than anyone else. Should be an interesting weekend.
DC has said that he isn't worried about the new F2003GA this weekend, because new cars always have teething pains, even though the 2002 won on its debut, and kept on winning. But with the revolutionary new setup, suspension rumble can cause problems with the engine, in addition to engine heat causing problems with the suspension (as Badoer found out at Fiorano...twice). Makes you wonder if they didn't debut the new car at Imola because of all the curb hopping the cars face.
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 05-02-2003 01:08 AM |
Life In The Spanish GP Garages
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| Fred Zaplitny | 05-02-2003 01:14 AM |
Re: Life In The Spanish GP Garages
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
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Man, the quality of F-1 pitbabes has substantially declined over the past few years. Just to demonstrate my point here is my all time #1 favorite from a few years ago:
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Still, it's good to get an early pitbabe pic in the thread. Nice work OTG! I've been slacking as of late.
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Man, the quality of F-1 pitbabes has substantially declined over the past few years. Just to demonstrate my point here is my all time #1 favorite from a few years ago:
[IMG]http://www.freebmw.net/fredz/New%20Folder/2001111803071481.jpg[/IMG]
Still, it's good to get an early pitbabe pic in the thread. Nice work OTG! I've been slacking as of late.
| OnTheGas | 05-02-2003 01:15 AM |
The Brunette In The Middle...
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...leaves me speechless.
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| Fred Zaplitny | 05-02-2003 01:23 AM |
Re: The Brunette In The Middle...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
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She's alright if you like girls with no hips.
I like them properly balanced myself!
[B]...leaves me speechless.
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She's alright if you like girls with no hips.
I like them properly balanced myself!
| OnTheGas | 05-02-2003 11:53 AM |
Top Six in First Qualifying
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include Trulli, da Matta, Button, & Panis! Read 'em and weep!
[CODE] Pos Driver Team T1 T2 Time
1. (3) M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 22.531 53.109 1:17.130
2. (9) Trulli Renault (M) 22.602 53.159 1:17.149 + 0.019
3. (5) Barrichello Ferrari (B) 22.487 53.114 1:17.218 + 0.088
4. (16) da Matta Toyota (M) 22.585 53.171 1:17.443 + 0.313
5. (12) Button BAR Honda (B) 22.656 53.400 1:17.613 + 0.483
6. (15) Panis Toyota (M) 22.586 53.444 1:17.746 + 0.616
7. (14) Webber Jaguar Cosworth (M) 22.700 53.579 1:17.793 + 0.663
8. (1) Raikkonen McLaren Mercedes (M) 22.783 53.578 1:17.862 + 0.732
9. (2) Coulthard McLaren Mercedes (M) 22.773 53.921 1:18.060 + 0.930
10. (4) Alonso Renault (M) 23.023 53.944 1:18.100 + 0.970
11. (6) R.Schumacher Williams BMW (M) 22.812 54.041 1:18.409 + 1.279
12. (11) Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) 22.902 54.042 1:18.461 + 1.331
13. (19) Pizzonia Jaguar Cosworth (M) 23.075 54.079 1:18.528 + 1.398
14. (8) Montoya Williams BMW (M) 23.041 53.967 1:18.607 + 1.477
15. (7) Fisichella Jordan Ford (B) 23.169 54.485 1:18.879 + 1.749
16. (10) Frentzen Sauber Petronas (B) 23.134 54.388 1:18.909 + 1.779
17. (13) Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) 23.012 54.365 1:19.050 + 1.920
18. (17) Firman Jordan Ford (B) 23.271 54.630 1:19.195 + 2.065
19. (18) Verstappen Minardi Cosworth (B) 23.705 55.646 1:20.822 + 3.692
20. (20) Wilson Minardi Cosworth (B) 23.960 56.006 1:21.100 + 3.951
Pos ----- Sector 1 ----- ----- Sector 2 ----- ----- Sector 3 -----
1. Barrichello 22.487 Trulli 30.557 Trulli 23.990
2. M.Schumacher 22.531 M.Schumacher 30.578 M.Schumacher 24.021
3. da Matta 22.585 da Matta 30.586 Barrichello 24.104
4. Panis 22.586 Barrichello 30.627 Coulthard 24.139
5. Trulli 22.602 Button 30.744 Alonso 24.156
6. Button 22.656 Raikkonen 30.795 Button 24.213
7. Webber 22.700 Panis 30.858 Webber 24.214
8. Coulthard 22.773 Webber 30.879 da Matta 24.272
9. Raikkonen 22.783 Alonso 30.921 Raikkonen 24.284
10. R.Schumacher 22.812 Montoya 30.926 Panis 24.302
11. Villeneuve 22.902 Pizzonia 31.004 R.Schumacher 24.368
12. Heidfeld 23.012 Villeneuve 31.140 Fisichella 24.394
13. Alonso 23.023 Coulthard 31.148 Villeneuve 24.419
14. Montoya 23.041 R.Schumacher 31.229 Pizzonia 24.449
15. Pizzonia 23.075 Frentzen 31.254 Frentzen 24.521
16. Frentzen 23.134 Fisichella 31.316 Firman 24.565
17. Fisichella 23.169 Heidfeld 31.353 Montoya 24.640
18. Firman 23.271 Firman 31.359 Heidfeld 24.685
19. Verstappen 23.705 Verstappen 31.941 Wilson 25.094
20. Wilson 23.960 Wilson 32.046 Verstappen 25.176
Top Speed: 320.3 (Barrichello, Ferrari)[/CODE]
[CODE] Pos Driver Team T1 T2 Time
1. (3) M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 22.531 53.109 1:17.130
2. (9) Trulli Renault (M) 22.602 53.159 1:17.149 + 0.019
3. (5) Barrichello Ferrari (B) 22.487 53.114 1:17.218 + 0.088
4. (16) da Matta Toyota (M) 22.585 53.171 1:17.443 + 0.313
5. (12) Button BAR Honda (B) 22.656 53.400 1:17.613 + 0.483
6. (15) Panis Toyota (M) 22.586 53.444 1:17.746 + 0.616
7. (14) Webber Jaguar Cosworth (M) 22.700 53.579 1:17.793 + 0.663
8. (1) Raikkonen McLaren Mercedes (M) 22.783 53.578 1:17.862 + 0.732
9. (2) Coulthard McLaren Mercedes (M) 22.773 53.921 1:18.060 + 0.930
10. (4) Alonso Renault (M) 23.023 53.944 1:18.100 + 0.970
11. (6) R.Schumacher Williams BMW (M) 22.812 54.041 1:18.409 + 1.279
12. (11) Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) 22.902 54.042 1:18.461 + 1.331
13. (19) Pizzonia Jaguar Cosworth (M) 23.075 54.079 1:18.528 + 1.398
14. (8) Montoya Williams BMW (M) 23.041 53.967 1:18.607 + 1.477
15. (7) Fisichella Jordan Ford (B) 23.169 54.485 1:18.879 + 1.749
16. (10) Frentzen Sauber Petronas (B) 23.134 54.388 1:18.909 + 1.779
17. (13) Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) 23.012 54.365 1:19.050 + 1.920
18. (17) Firman Jordan Ford (B) 23.271 54.630 1:19.195 + 2.065
19. (18) Verstappen Minardi Cosworth (B) 23.705 55.646 1:20.822 + 3.692
20. (20) Wilson Minardi Cosworth (B) 23.960 56.006 1:21.100 + 3.951
Pos ----- Sector 1 ----- ----- Sector 2 ----- ----- Sector 3 -----
1. Barrichello 22.487 Trulli 30.557 Trulli 23.990
2. M.Schumacher 22.531 M.Schumacher 30.578 M.Schumacher 24.021
3. da Matta 22.585 da Matta 30.586 Barrichello 24.104
4. Panis 22.586 Barrichello 30.627 Coulthard 24.139
5. Trulli 22.602 Button 30.744 Alonso 24.156
6. Button 22.656 Raikkonen 30.795 Button 24.213
7. Webber 22.700 Panis 30.858 Webber 24.214
8. Coulthard 22.773 Webber 30.879 da Matta 24.272
9. Raikkonen 22.783 Alonso 30.921 Raikkonen 24.284
10. R.Schumacher 22.812 Montoya 30.926 Panis 24.302
11. Villeneuve 22.902 Pizzonia 31.004 R.Schumacher 24.368
12. Heidfeld 23.012 Villeneuve 31.140 Fisichella 24.394
13. Alonso 23.023 Coulthard 31.148 Villeneuve 24.419
14. Montoya 23.041 R.Schumacher 31.229 Pizzonia 24.449
15. Pizzonia 23.075 Frentzen 31.254 Frentzen 24.521
16. Frentzen 23.134 Fisichella 31.316 Firman 24.565
17. Fisichella 23.169 Heidfeld 31.353 Montoya 24.640
18. Firman 23.271 Firman 31.359 Heidfeld 24.685
19. Verstappen 23.705 Verstappen 31.941 Wilson 25.094
20. Wilson 23.960 Wilson 32.046 Verstappen 25.176
Top Speed: 320.3 (Barrichello, Ferrari)[/CODE]
| Dr. WOT | 05-02-2003 12:39 PM |
Re: Re: The Brunette In The Middle...
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| ArtGecko | 05-02-2003 06:49 PM |
Here's my pick-6 (eight). sent them in yesterday, but forgot to post here.
M.Schumacher
R.Barrichello
D.Coulthard
K.Raikkonen
F.Alonso
J.Montoya
R.Schumacher
J.Button
Just the usual suspects. Nothing really risky, except I'd expect two to not finish...just which two?
M.Schumacher
R.Barrichello
D.Coulthard
K.Raikkonen
F.Alonso
J.Montoya
R.Schumacher
J.Button
Just the usual suspects. Nothing really risky, except I'd expect two to not finish...just which two?
| Fred Zaplitny | 05-03-2003 12:06 PM |
Spain: Qualifying session 2
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P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'17"762 218.976 Km/h 3
2. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'18"020 + 0'00"258 3
3. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'18"233 + 0'00"471 3
4. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'18"615 + 0'00"853 3
5. 17 BUTTON BAR Honda B 1'18"704 + 0'00"942 3
6. 20 PANIS Toyota M 1'18"811 + 0'01"049 3
7. 4 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1'19"006 + 0'01"244 3
8. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'19"128 + 0'01"366 3
9. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'19"377 + 0'01"615 3
10. 10 FRENTZEN Sauber Petronas B 1'19"427 + 0'01"665 3
11. 16 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 1'19"563 + 0'01"801 3
12. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'19"615 + 0'01"853 3
13. 21 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'19"623 + 0'01"861 3
14. 9 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1'19"646 + 0'01"884 3
15. 12 FIRMAN Jordan Ford B 1'20"215 + 0'02"453 3
16. 15 PIZZONIA Jaguar Cosworth M 1'20"308 + 0'02"546 3
17. 11 FISICHELLA Jordan Ford B 1'20"976 + 0'03"214 3
18. 18 WILSON Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"104 + 0'04"342 3
19. 19 VERSTAPPEN Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"237 + 0'04"475 3
20. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'31"900 + 0'14"138 2
107% time : 1'23"205
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P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'17"762 218.976 Km/h 3
2. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'18"020 + 0'00"258 3
3. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'18"233 + 0'00"471 3
4. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'18"615 + 0'00"853 3
5. 17 BUTTON BAR Honda B 1'18"704 + 0'00"942 3
6. 20 PANIS Toyota M 1'18"811 + 0'01"049 3
7. 4 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1'19"006 + 0'01"244 3
8. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'19"128 + 0'01"366 3
9. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'19"377 + 0'01"615 3
10. 10 FRENTZEN Sauber Petronas B 1'19"427 + 0'01"665 3
11. 16 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 1'19"563 + 0'01"801 3
12. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'19"615 + 0'01"853 3
13. 21 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'19"623 + 0'01"861 3
14. 9 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1'19"646 + 0'01"884 3
15. 12 FIRMAN Jordan Ford B 1'20"215 + 0'02"453 3
16. 15 PIZZONIA Jaguar Cosworth M 1'20"308 + 0'02"546 3
17. 11 FISICHELLA Jordan Ford B 1'20"976 + 0'03"214 3
18. 18 WILSON Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"104 + 0'04"342 3
19. 19 VERSTAPPEN Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"237 + 0'04"475 3
20. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'31"900 + 0'14"138 2
107% time : 1'23"205
| gtguy | 05-03-2003 03:53 PM |
Qualifying was quite interesting. I don't know if anyone noticed how fast the new Ferrari really is. They were running the most wing, and yet had the highest straightaway speeds. Scary.
Also, Schumacher and Barrichello both drove very conservative laps, with hardly any steering input, and not using that much of the track compared to everyone else. I think if that car doesn't break, we could see a return of last year, with the red cars running off and hiding. Then what will the FIA do?
Bummer for Kimi, who bobbled, then had an off. He starts from the pit lane. Lucky for him you can pass at Barcelona. The question is, how far gone will the front runners be?
You can't tell anything real from qualifying times because you don't know fuel loads, but it would surprise me if someone tried a one-stop race, given how notoriously hard this circuit is on tyres. Kimi is going to have to try something radical, to keep from losing too many points to Ferrari, should the new cars turn out to be reliable. He has some very tough men to pass. Speed-wise, I would guess three stops for Renault, two for everyone else.
Finally, M. Schumacher continues to impress me. Did any of you notice, not only with this press conference, but all of his others, his rule seems to be that "I" screwed up, while "we" or "the team" did fantastic. Even when someone puts a question to him about the car that is phrased in a way that you'd think he'd have to say "I," he still uses the collective, "we." It's never his driving, it's always the car, and the excellence thereof. That just blows me away every time I see it.
Kevin
Also, Schumacher and Barrichello both drove very conservative laps, with hardly any steering input, and not using that much of the track compared to everyone else. I think if that car doesn't break, we could see a return of last year, with the red cars running off and hiding. Then what will the FIA do?
Bummer for Kimi, who bobbled, then had an off. He starts from the pit lane. Lucky for him you can pass at Barcelona. The question is, how far gone will the front runners be?
You can't tell anything real from qualifying times because you don't know fuel loads, but it would surprise me if someone tried a one-stop race, given how notoriously hard this circuit is on tyres. Kimi is going to have to try something radical, to keep from losing too many points to Ferrari, should the new cars turn out to be reliable. He has some very tough men to pass. Speed-wise, I would guess three stops for Renault, two for everyone else.
Finally, M. Schumacher continues to impress me. Did any of you notice, not only with this press conference, but all of his others, his rule seems to be that "I" screwed up, while "we" or "the team" did fantastic. Even when someone puts a question to him about the car that is phrased in a way that you'd think he'd have to say "I," he still uses the collective, "we." It's never his driving, it's always the car, and the excellence thereof. That just blows me away every time I see it.
Kevin
| HoRo1 | 05-04-2003 10:52 AM |
Couldn't sleep, so I watched the procession - sorry, race. Looks like F1 is back to normal. I think that I'll go out on a limb and say that the greatest of all time will win yet another championship.
Incidentally, some of the chicks above look like they've been around the Barcelona track a lot more than any driver. Ewwwwww
Two of them look like sisters - Chlamydia and Gonorrhea. ;)
Incidentally, some of the chicks above look like they've been around the Barcelona track a lot more than any driver. Ewwwwww
Two of them look like sisters - Chlamydia and Gonorrhea. ;)
| gtguy | 05-04-2003 05:50 PM |
Hats off to Tailout, for the Alonso pick. I should have been able to sense the home track advantage, from the performance of Sato last year at Suzuka...
That Renault is fast! Granted, we don't really know how hard Ferrari were running the car, but Schumacher seemed to be able to put time on Alonso whenever he needed, and the straight line speed of that car is astounding.
What can you say about Schumacher? Brilliant drive, even though Bridgestone wasn't up to the Michelin challenge. Barrichello, however, wasn't up to snuff. Alonso spanked him, which is the difference between he and Schumacher. The latter can improvise when things aren't going all that well.
Bummer for Raikkonen. I still don't know how Wilson got the heck out of the way, but whoever was behind him was assuredly hosed. Between that, and Coulthard running off, suddenly it's a 4-point gap in the driver's standings, and three points in manufacturers.
The folks at the FIA must be saying "Well NOW what?" Ferrari has made a mockery of their rules changes, it seems. Actually, Michelin and the great strides their tires have made has done more for the racing than anything else. But if Renault can find some more horsepower...I think that Alonso got the extra goose (Renault de-tuned the engines for reliability...they might have turned up Alonso's) from his car, and the home track adrenaline.
But that new Ferrari is fast, no mistake about it. It seems to have the best straight line speed, and can run the most downforce, in addition to the lower center of gravity helping the car handle exceptionally well.
That new McLaren better be some kind of car.
Hats off to DaMatta, though Ralf surely circumvented the rules to keep Cristiano behind him. Montoya did well, but was lost in the frenzy, too. Webber gets points, too.
Considering that Ferrari will be able to develop their new car as the season progresses, while McLaren won't be debuting their newbie until Canada at the earliest, I dunno. I hope the new McLaren is fast, and I hope that Renault can find the power to go with their handling. Williams is a lost cause, I fear.
Kevin
That Renault is fast! Granted, we don't really know how hard Ferrari were running the car, but Schumacher seemed to be able to put time on Alonso whenever he needed, and the straight line speed of that car is astounding.
What can you say about Schumacher? Brilliant drive, even though Bridgestone wasn't up to the Michelin challenge. Barrichello, however, wasn't up to snuff. Alonso spanked him, which is the difference between he and Schumacher. The latter can improvise when things aren't going all that well.
Bummer for Raikkonen. I still don't know how Wilson got the heck out of the way, but whoever was behind him was assuredly hosed. Between that, and Coulthard running off, suddenly it's a 4-point gap in the driver's standings, and three points in manufacturers.
The folks at the FIA must be saying "Well NOW what?" Ferrari has made a mockery of their rules changes, it seems. Actually, Michelin and the great strides their tires have made has done more for the racing than anything else. But if Renault can find some more horsepower...I think that Alonso got the extra goose (Renault de-tuned the engines for reliability...they might have turned up Alonso's) from his car, and the home track adrenaline.
But that new Ferrari is fast, no mistake about it. It seems to have the best straight line speed, and can run the most downforce, in addition to the lower center of gravity helping the car handle exceptionally well.
That new McLaren better be some kind of car.
Hats off to DaMatta, though Ralf surely circumvented the rules to keep Cristiano behind him. Montoya did well, but was lost in the frenzy, too. Webber gets points, too.
Considering that Ferrari will be able to develop their new car as the season progresses, while McLaren won't be debuting their newbie until Canada at the earliest, I dunno. I hope the new McLaren is fast, and I hope that Renault can find the power to go with their handling. Williams is a lost cause, I fear.
Kevin
| Dr. WOT | 05-05-2003 01:08 PM |
I agree. I think Renault took the rev limit off of Alonso's car yesterday. Steve Matchet made the same point and it makes sense: we know the real area of concern with the wide angle V10 is reliability due to vibration cause by the unusual firing order. The best way to control that is to limit the revs, thus the lack of power.
Clearly the car handles beautifully-- those cars ate up the long sweeping corners. I think much or the credit here must go to the wide angle 10 as well. The lower COG is most likely the advantage that separates this car from the rest. Either way the other teams should be worried because Renault has dominated in their two previous F1 campaigns and this current ascent is very reminiscent of how they came to prominence in the early 90's.
Clearly the car handles beautifully-- those cars ate up the long sweeping corners. I think much or the credit here must go to the wide angle 10 as well. The lower COG is most likely the advantage that separates this car from the rest. Either way the other teams should be worried because Renault has dominated in their two previous F1 campaigns and this current ascent is very reminiscent of how they came to prominence in the early 90's.
| gtguy | 05-05-2003 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dr. WOT [/i]
[B]Either way the other teams should be worried because Renault has dominated in their two previous F1 campaigns and this current ascent is very reminiscent of how they came to prominence in the early 90's. [/B][/QUOTE]
And as with the Schumacher years, they have the driver in Alonso. I do think Alonso was driving over his head, being in Spain and all. And I don't care what Ferrari says, Barrichello's car wasn't running right. I just don't think Alonso was THAT much faster than the other Ferrari. Once Schumacher got a stable set of tires (the third set) he could seemingly put time on Alonso at will.
Kevin
[B]Either way the other teams should be worried because Renault has dominated in their two previous F1 campaigns and this current ascent is very reminiscent of how they came to prominence in the early 90's. [/B][/QUOTE]
And as with the Schumacher years, they have the driver in Alonso. I do think Alonso was driving over his head, being in Spain and all. And I don't care what Ferrari says, Barrichello's car wasn't running right. I just don't think Alonso was THAT much faster than the other Ferrari. Once Schumacher got a stable set of tires (the third set) he could seemingly put time on Alonso at will.
Kevin
| Fred Zaplitny | 05-06-2003 12:49 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
And as with the Schumacher years, they have the driver in Alonso. I do think Alonso was driving over his head, being in Spain and all. And I don't care what Ferrari says, Barrichello's car wasn't running right. I just don't think Alonso was THAT much faster than the other Ferrari. Once Schumacher got a stable set of tires (the third set) he could seemingly put time on Alonso at will.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes he could put time on him, but not as much as he would have liked. The Ferrari wasn't running away with the race like MS has been doing in the past three seasons. There was no huge lead. The biggest lead I saw in the last stint was just over 9 seconds. Now sure that's too much for Alonso to make up in normal circumstances, but what if something happened where Schuey had an off and lost about... oh say 9 seconds? Then that small lead becomes a huge deal.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I hope Renault is the real deal. I think they are, and I certainly think Alonso is.
[B]
And as with the Schumacher years, they have the driver in Alonso. I do think Alonso was driving over his head, being in Spain and all. And I don't care what Ferrari says, Barrichello's car wasn't running right. I just don't think Alonso was THAT much faster than the other Ferrari. Once Schumacher got a stable set of tires (the third set) he could seemingly put time on Alonso at will.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes he could put time on him, but not as much as he would have liked. The Ferrari wasn't running away with the race like MS has been doing in the past three seasons. There was no huge lead. The biggest lead I saw in the last stint was just over 9 seconds. Now sure that's too much for Alonso to make up in normal circumstances, but what if something happened where Schuey had an off and lost about... oh say 9 seconds? Then that small lead becomes a huge deal.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I hope Renault is the real deal. I think they are, and I certainly think Alonso is.
| gtguy | 05-06-2003 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]
Yes he could put time on him, but not as much as he would have liked. The Ferrari wasn't running away with the race like MS has been doing in the past three seasons. There was no huge lead. The biggest lead I saw in the last stint was just over 9 seconds. Now sure that's too much for Alonso to make up in normal circumstances, but what if something happened where Schuey had an off and lost about... oh say 9 seconds? Then that small lead becomes a huge deal.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I hope Renault is the real deal. I think they are, and I certainly think Alonso is. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are correct Fred, but I still think that Schumacher was doing pace management, running as slowly as he could to win the race. I don't know if Ferrari was really interested in running that hard. Once he drove past and saw Raikkonen's car, then Coulthard's, I think that the team breathed a sigh of relief, and treated the race like an extended, race conditions test. Alonso was flying, for sure, but when you look at the race tape, you can see that Schumacher was being quite conservative, not using much of the track, with nice, tight lines, except when the call would come from the pit, then he'd run 1:20s for a while, and get a cushion.
I really hope that Renault is the real thing. I don't want to see the red cars just drive off into the distance every race, like they did last year. Usually, it's exciting just to watch Schumacher drive, but he didn't appear to be driving that hard. Whether the car was working really well, or he was pace managing, is the question.
But given how crappy the Bridgestones worked, and how well the Michelins were working, Ferrari's opponents should be scared...very scared to see that Schumacher still easily won that race. Michelin has made great strides this year. Their tires are very fast, and very consistent. At Barcelona, the Bridgestones were like the Michelins of last year...very inconsistent.
Now, Monaco, given how well the Renault handles, should be interesting. Ditto for the Hungaroring. Qualifying is essentially the race at those tracks, barring any oddness.
BTW, did everyone see that Renault's chief engine guy just left?
Kevin
[B]
Yes he could put time on him, but not as much as he would have liked. The Ferrari wasn't running away with the race like MS has been doing in the past three seasons. There was no huge lead. The biggest lead I saw in the last stint was just over 9 seconds. Now sure that's too much for Alonso to make up in normal circumstances, but what if something happened where Schuey had an off and lost about... oh say 9 seconds? Then that small lead becomes a huge deal.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I hope Renault is the real deal. I think they are, and I certainly think Alonso is. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are correct Fred, but I still think that Schumacher was doing pace management, running as slowly as he could to win the race. I don't know if Ferrari was really interested in running that hard. Once he drove past and saw Raikkonen's car, then Coulthard's, I think that the team breathed a sigh of relief, and treated the race like an extended, race conditions test. Alonso was flying, for sure, but when you look at the race tape, you can see that Schumacher was being quite conservative, not using much of the track, with nice, tight lines, except when the call would come from the pit, then he'd run 1:20s for a while, and get a cushion.
I really hope that Renault is the real thing. I don't want to see the red cars just drive off into the distance every race, like they did last year. Usually, it's exciting just to watch Schumacher drive, but he didn't appear to be driving that hard. Whether the car was working really well, or he was pace managing, is the question.
But given how crappy the Bridgestones worked, and how well the Michelins were working, Ferrari's opponents should be scared...very scared to see that Schumacher still easily won that race. Michelin has made great strides this year. Their tires are very fast, and very consistent. At Barcelona, the Bridgestones were like the Michelins of last year...very inconsistent.
Now, Monaco, given how well the Renault handles, should be interesting. Ditto for the Hungaroring. Qualifying is essentially the race at those tracks, barring any oddness.
BTW, did everyone see that Renault's chief engine guy just left?
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 05-06-2003 04:10 PM |
Renaults, and Youngsters @ Barcelona
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...I do think Alonso was driving over his head, being in Spain and all.[/B][/QUOTE]I disagree... The nature of that track is that it will punish imprecision... So if a driver misses his turn in point, braking point, apex, etc., just once, he can go off in a big way. Witness Ralfie when he was being hounded for position by Fernando. Ralfie was overdriving on his used up tires, bobbled once, went off-line, travelled across the gravel trap and nearly into the barriers.
In other words, Fernando's performance was the real deal to my mind, as I don't think he ever bobbled, he pushed pretty hard thru-out the race to keep Michael honest.
[b]Les Renaults[/b]
However, the Renault's weakness is somewhat masked by the Barcelona track, because the track has many medium and high speed sweepers. That chassis appears to work very well both aero and mechanically. While some have speculated that the Renault showed up at Barcelona w/additional HP, Renault does not need the added HP there to perform well because the turns leading onto the straights are medium or high speed sweepers. That means the renault carries more speed onto the straights which masks hp deficits.
[b]Youngsters[/b]
I think we saw the coming of age of four inexperienced young drivers at Barcelona:[list][*][b]Alonso[/b][*][b]da Matta[/b][*][b]Firman[/b][*][b]Pizzonia[/b][/list]Obviously, for any young driver to fight for the win in a F1 race for the first time will give them a great deal of confidence and hunger to chase for the win in future F1 races. [b]Alonso's[/b] fire has been lit, and he will only get faster.
Like wise, [b]da Matta[/b] drove a great race... He turned very fast times, and was climbing and climbing up thru the field, until he got stuck behind Ralfie wounded car. Scored some nice points!
[b]Firman[/b]! In the points! As is often the case, he endured a few on track dog-fights to obtain those lessor points. It was probably good for him that Giancarlo's car was wounded, as it allowed the team to concentrate on him, and he pulled through. Within the Jordan team, I would guess that his star has been raised.
You may ask yourself, did OTG say [b]Pizzonia[/b]? Yes, Pizzonia! If you look at his practise times, all weekend he was running much faster in relation to Webber than he has in the past. The threat of being fired often lites a big fire under one's seat, and it showed on Friday and Saturday's time sheets. The car stalled on the grid, so he couldn't show his mettle during the race, but notice that the F1 rumor mill has changed their tone about this guy.
It is all a matter of confidence when you're a young driver new to F1, and these four drivers all had their confidence levels raised at the Spanish GP weekend.
[B]...I do think Alonso was driving over his head, being in Spain and all.[/B][/QUOTE]I disagree... The nature of that track is that it will punish imprecision... So if a driver misses his turn in point, braking point, apex, etc., just once, he can go off in a big way. Witness Ralfie when he was being hounded for position by Fernando. Ralfie was overdriving on his used up tires, bobbled once, went off-line, travelled across the gravel trap and nearly into the barriers.
In other words, Fernando's performance was the real deal to my mind, as I don't think he ever bobbled, he pushed pretty hard thru-out the race to keep Michael honest.
[b]Les Renaults[/b]
However, the Renault's weakness is somewhat masked by the Barcelona track, because the track has many medium and high speed sweepers. That chassis appears to work very well both aero and mechanically. While some have speculated that the Renault showed up at Barcelona w/additional HP, Renault does not need the added HP there to perform well because the turns leading onto the straights are medium or high speed sweepers. That means the renault carries more speed onto the straights which masks hp deficits.
[b]Youngsters[/b]
I think we saw the coming of age of four inexperienced young drivers at Barcelona:[list][*][b]Alonso[/b][*][b]da Matta[/b][*][b]Firman[/b][*][b]Pizzonia[/b][/list]Obviously, for any young driver to fight for the win in a F1 race for the first time will give them a great deal of confidence and hunger to chase for the win in future F1 races. [b]Alonso's[/b] fire has been lit, and he will only get faster.
Like wise, [b]da Matta[/b] drove a great race... He turned very fast times, and was climbing and climbing up thru the field, until he got stuck behind Ralfie wounded car. Scored some nice points!
[b]Firman[/b]! In the points! As is often the case, he endured a few on track dog-fights to obtain those lessor points. It was probably good for him that Giancarlo's car was wounded, as it allowed the team to concentrate on him, and he pulled through. Within the Jordan team, I would guess that his star has been raised.
You may ask yourself, did OTG say [b]Pizzonia[/b]? Yes, Pizzonia! If you look at his practise times, all weekend he was running much faster in relation to Webber than he has in the past. The threat of being fired often lites a big fire under one's seat, and it showed on Friday and Saturday's time sheets. The car stalled on the grid, so he couldn't show his mettle during the race, but notice that the F1 rumor mill has changed their tone about this guy.
It is all a matter of confidence when you're a young driver new to F1, and these four drivers all had their confidence levels raised at the Spanish GP weekend.
| gtguy | 05-06-2003 04:31 PM |
OTG, I don't think Pizzonia was driving over his head in the sense that he was doing a Ralf. I think that (which is why I used the Sato reference in one of my posts) that he was doing a Takuma Sato, who drove over his head in last year's Suzuka race.
He was more focussed, more intense, and closer to the edge because he was at the home track. I think Alonso was driving the same way.
Kevin
He was more focussed, more intense, and closer to the edge because he was at the home track. I think Alonso was driving the same way.
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 05-06-2003 04:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]OTG, I don't think Pizzonia was driving over his head...[/B][/QUOTE][URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/editpost.php?s=&action=editpost&postid=3839345]Did you mean Alonzo?[/URL] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...in the sense that he was doing a Ralf. I think that (which is why I used the Sato reference in one of my posts) that he was doing a Takuma Sato, who drove over his head in last year's Suzuka race.
He was more focussed, more intense, and closer to the edge because he was at the home track. I think Alonso was driving the same way.[/B][/QUOTE]Ahh yes... driving closer to his maximum potential, closer to 100% in other words. Something that Michael does most everytime he turns a wheel on a race track, which is why he's won so many WDC titles.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
With the added confidence of having fought for a race win w/Schumacher's Ferrari, I expect we will see more of Alonso driving closer to his maximum potential.
[B]OTG, I don't think Pizzonia was driving over his head...[/B][/QUOTE][URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/editpost.php?s=&action=editpost&postid=3839345]Did you mean Alonzo?[/URL] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...in the sense that he was doing a Ralf. I think that (which is why I used the Sato reference in one of my posts) that he was doing a Takuma Sato, who drove over his head in last year's Suzuka race.
He was more focussed, more intense, and closer to the edge because he was at the home track. I think Alonso was driving the same way.[/B][/QUOTE]Ahh yes... driving closer to his maximum potential, closer to 100% in other words. Something that Michael does most everytime he turns a wheel on a race track, which is why he's won so many WDC titles.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
With the added confidence of having fought for a race win w/Schumacher's Ferrari, I expect we will see more of Alonso driving closer to his maximum potential.
| gtguy | 05-07-2003 10:41 AM |
Ai, yi, yi...Alonso, yes, not Pizzonia. Raikkonen was almost driving over Pizzonia'a head. :lol: I still don't know how Wilson got around the Jaguar.
I hope you're right about Alonso, OTG. I think of men's tennis as an analogous situation. The top 50 players can pretty much beat any one of the others on any occasion. But what diffrentiates a top 10 player from one ranked in the 20s in consistency and confidence that he will win. Often, all it takes is a big-time win to give a player ranked, say, 22nd the confidence to go for his shots, and suddenly move up the rankings.
I think (hope), now that Alonso knows how hard he can drive, that he will.
Kevin
I hope you're right about Alonso, OTG. I think of men's tennis as an analogous situation. The top 50 players can pretty much beat any one of the others on any occasion. But what diffrentiates a top 10 player from one ranked in the 20s in consistency and confidence that he will win. Often, all it takes is a big-time win to give a player ranked, say, 22nd the confidence to go for his shots, and suddenly move up the rankings.
I think (hope), now that Alonso knows how hard he can drive, that he will.
Kevin
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