| AdamRX | 11-29-2004 08:21 PM |
Has anyone contacted a European Subaru dealership to get HIDs?
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I was just curious if anyone has gotten a hold of a dealer over there and bought some BUGEYED HID projectors, and how much it was in the end. Anyone? I would assume it would be a bit cheaper to go direct than through a middle man. Not to mention if we had enough peeps to do a group buy.
Maybe its just not possible as Im sure it someone would have done it...
Maybe its just not possible as Im sure it someone would have done it...
| badboiWRX | 11-29-2004 08:42 PM |
europe doesnt get HID's and the Euro is more than the $.
| AdamRX | 11-29-2004 08:46 PM |
I know the Euro is more than the $, but I have some actually...However the extra cost of it being LHD may be worth it. I really dont know how bad the JDM's are at blinding people. I need to find someone around here and see whats up.
Then what about just the projector units?
Then what about just the projector units?
| WRXutopia | 11-29-2004 09:01 PM |
I have the Morettes with HID upgrade. The 'blinding' isn't much of an issue so long as you take the time (took quite a bit to get it just right) to adjust them properly. The breakoff in the light pattern is sharp enough that, when properly aligned, people shouldn't be too upset.
The HID upgrade is really nice. I appreciate it every time I turn them on. Well worth it IMO.
The HID upgrade is really nice. I appreciate it every time I turn them on. Well worth it IMO.
| AdamRX | 11-29-2004 09:04 PM |
Are the JDM just as easy to adjust/align?
| Mulder | 11-29-2004 09:52 PM |
The Morettes are LHD, the JDMs are RHD. While you can aim the JDMs down somewhat this doesn't fix the beam pattern which rises up to the left and into oncoming traffic. The only true fix is to open up the lights and file down the internal plate to make the pattern flat.
Also there are no EDM HIDs for the bugeye, only the JDMs were available in an HID version. That said you may be able to get a set of EDMs from overseas for a better price than ones that are already here, but you need to factor in all the costs involved to see if it will really be worth it (shipping, duty, etc.).
Also there are no EDM HIDs for the bugeye, only the JDMs were available in an HID version. That said you may be able to get a set of EDMs from overseas for a better price than ones that are already here, but you need to factor in all the costs involved to see if it will really be worth it (shipping, duty, etc.).
| teknisa | 11-30-2004 01:47 AM |
CC-B sells the Euro hid's
| Mulder | 11-30-2004 06:11 AM |
They do sell the EDM Sti lights, but they are NOT HIDs.
| AdamRX | 11-30-2004 08:43 AM |
^^^thats ok...
I would rather have the right beam pattern.
I could always get a HID kit
I would rather have the right beam pattern.
I could always get a HID kit
| SubNub | 11-30-2004 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=AdamRX]^^^thats ok...
I would rather have the right beam pattern.
I could always get a HID kit[/QUOTE]
This has been talked about and debated but putting a "kit" into a reflector that was not designed for High Intensity Discharge is not only illegal but very inconsiderate to yourself and other drivers. I know I know...but what if I "aim them down"? Well, great now you have some HID's that are aimed at the ground and you are suffering in your distance vision. Sure the added glare of the lights might spill a little into the distance but it is also spilling into the eyes of other traffic. You may think that is just fine but when someone hits you because they couldn't see...
The real problem is the OE (EDM, JDM, USDM) reflectors are designed with a specific bulb that emits a light source at a specific location. The reflector then bounces this light source onto the road in a specific pattern. Adding any sort of "kit" HID or not that changes the light source measurement will create unnecessary glare and improper vision for the driver. Sure there are kits that use types of "blockers" to "overcome" this problem but they are universal and most don't work.
One last thought. Before you venture into the HID kit world you should know that light output is measured in Lumens and not Color Temperature. This is to say that 8000K is not brighter than 4300K, it is only bluer on the color temperature scale. The color of light has little effect on the ability to see (unless you are talking about inclement weather bluer=worst). Color of light is a bling factor only but does not equate to brighter just because it "looks like the Audi color". Don't be fooled.
This information is meant to be helpful but those with other opinions are free to share theirs as well. I recommend you check out [url]www.danielsternlighting.com[/url]
-Ken
I would rather have the right beam pattern.
I could always get a HID kit[/QUOTE]
This has been talked about and debated but putting a "kit" into a reflector that was not designed for High Intensity Discharge is not only illegal but very inconsiderate to yourself and other drivers. I know I know...but what if I "aim them down"? Well, great now you have some HID's that are aimed at the ground and you are suffering in your distance vision. Sure the added glare of the lights might spill a little into the distance but it is also spilling into the eyes of other traffic. You may think that is just fine but when someone hits you because they couldn't see...
The real problem is the OE (EDM, JDM, USDM) reflectors are designed with a specific bulb that emits a light source at a specific location. The reflector then bounces this light source onto the road in a specific pattern. Adding any sort of "kit" HID or not that changes the light source measurement will create unnecessary glare and improper vision for the driver. Sure there are kits that use types of "blockers" to "overcome" this problem but they are universal and most don't work.
One last thought. Before you venture into the HID kit world you should know that light output is measured in Lumens and not Color Temperature. This is to say that 8000K is not brighter than 4300K, it is only bluer on the color temperature scale. The color of light has little effect on the ability to see (unless you are talking about inclement weather bluer=worst). Color of light is a bling factor only but does not equate to brighter just because it "looks like the Audi color". Don't be fooled.
This information is meant to be helpful but those with other opinions are free to share theirs as well. I recommend you check out [url]www.danielsternlighting.com[/url]
-Ken
| AdamRX | 11-30-2004 03:47 PM |
projectors I thought werent reflectors???
So, putting an HID kit to them would work
So, putting an HID kit to them would work
| Mulder | 11-30-2004 06:11 PM |
There is an HID FAQ sticky thread in the Electrical forum, you might want to read it.
It is true that HID retrofits in projector housings will give better results than in reflectors, however they will still not be up to the quality of OEM HIDs. As with reflectors, projector housings are specifically designed for either halogens or HIDs and will only produce optimum lighting with the intended type of bulbs.
It is true that HID retrofits in projector housings will give better results than in reflectors, however they will still not be up to the quality of OEM HIDs. As with reflectors, projector housings are specifically designed for either halogens or HIDs and will only produce optimum lighting with the intended type of bulbs.
| Acostafan | 12-01-2004 11:45 AM |
Incorrect in saying the color temperature doesn't affect your ability to see. While it is true the more lumens the brighter, the part of the visible light spectrum reflecting off objects to your eyes does make a big difference. A certain color temperature range( I forget, I can find out if anyone is interested) more closely mimics natural sunlight, thus maximizing your eye's ability to detect and discern objects. Ever try standing in a photo darkroom with near-infrared lighting? That color temp is very low and does not reflect back the whole spectrum to your eye. Raising the lumens would alleviate the problem but not cure it as the color temp remains the same. HID's are not just bling, they will reflect a greater part of the visible light spectrum back to your eyes. I designed and sold home theater systems for years in school and we used a special light behind big screens (CRI index of 93-98 I believe) to even the light out in a room without affecting color reference for the eyes.
| hey1 | 12-01-2004 12:38 PM |
so do anyone on NASIOC have JDM HID? worth getting?
| Chalm | 12-01-2004 01:08 PM |
I love my JDM HID lights! However, they came with the car when I purchased it. The beams are reversed, but that's not too much of an issue for me. Every time I switch them on, I thank the original owner for installing them.
| hey1 | 12-01-2004 01:37 PM |
awesome.. thanks for your comment. Normal, IL? hmm.. last time iwas there for Zwan concert at ISU. now i'm in LA
| OCD | 12-01-2004 03:06 PM |
so whats ur best option for new headlights for bugeyes if u have a hid kit already, is there any projector style headlights available. I am asking this for a friend, i personally have a 04 so i don't know to much about the bugeyes as far as headlights go.
Dan
Dan
| AdamRX | 12-01-2004 04:27 PM |
There are the JDM HID's, but they are JDM...
Since you have a kit already projector (EDM, JDM, UK300, Morettes) units seem to be the best over the reflector type.
Since you have a kit already projector (EDM, JDM, UK300, Morettes) units seem to be the best over the reflector type.
| hey1 | 12-01-2004 06:49 PM |
anyone know how many K's there are for the luminosity of jdm hid?
| skyhawk | 12-01-2004 07:08 PM |
[QUOTE=OCD]so whats ur best option for new headlights for bugeyes if u have a hid kit already, is there any projector style headlights available. I am asking this for a friend, i personally have a 04 so i don't know to much about the bugeyes as far as headlights go.
Dan[/QUOTE]
The morrettes for the 02-03 are projectors whereas the morrettes for the 04+ are reflectors. If the 04's were projectors I would have them, but since they are not I will stick with stock and go with better bulbs. Just ordered some Osram silverstars for my low beams. Thinking about the HIR mod for the highbeams.
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3122&highlight=hir[/url]
Dan[/QUOTE]
The morrettes for the 02-03 are projectors whereas the morrettes for the 04+ are reflectors. If the 04's were projectors I would have them, but since they are not I will stick with stock and go with better bulbs. Just ordered some Osram silverstars for my low beams. Thinking about the HIR mod for the highbeams.
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3122&highlight=hir[/url]
| Mulder | 12-01-2004 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE=hey1]anyone know how many K's there are for the luminosity of jdm hid?[/QUOTE]
All OEM HIDs, these included, are 4100 or 4300K. Anything higher is strictly aftermarket.
All OEM HIDs, these included, are 4100 or 4300K. Anything higher is strictly aftermarket.
| AdamRX | 12-01-2004 08:23 PM |
does anyone else think morettes are ugly????
| hey1 | 12-01-2004 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE=AdamRX]does anyone else think morettes are ugly????[/QUOTE]
not unless you have a WRC grill. hehe.. its all preference
not unless you have a WRC grill. hehe.. its all preference
| sevendhappy | 12-01-2004 09:36 PM |
Here's a pic of my STI EDMs w/ 4100k HID kit in them.
[img]http://cakeru.image.pbase.com/image/37020403.jpg[/img]
While people are correct in saying that putting an HID kit into a halogen projector won't be as good as an OEM HID setup, that doesn't mean that it produces horrible results. I bought the EDM STI lights strictly because I didn't want to deal with modifying the JDM ones (plus I'm too much of n00b to attempt doing that, but that's a whole 'nother story :D). Unfortunately they do not come in HIDs so I decided to install an HID kit into them. As you can see from the picture, because its a halogen projector, there are some "dark spots" in the foreground lighting, but it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Anyways, my fogs fill in whatever "dark spots" there may be, so I'm satisfied. In my eyes, overall the foreground lighting is a lot better than stock, plus they shoot out a lot farther. My distance lighting with these lights right now is better than what the stock headlights could achieve.
As you can see also in the picture, the cutoff on the beam is pretty sharp and I intentionally took a picture next to parked cars on the road so you can see where my cutoff hits. I did a test in my cousin's s2k in an empty parking lot, where we faced the cars to each other as if we were driving right by each other. I can honestly say that I'm not blinding anyone no more as much as an s2k is that comes w/ HIDs from the factory. In fact, I've never been flashed by any oncoming drivers.
Just thought I'd share some thoughts on this (hey, at least someone with EDMs has to speak up. :) ) All I can say is that I love my HIDs. A banana for correct cutoffs. :banana: Haha.
[img]http://cakeru.image.pbase.com/image/37020403.jpg[/img]
While people are correct in saying that putting an HID kit into a halogen projector won't be as good as an OEM HID setup, that doesn't mean that it produces horrible results. I bought the EDM STI lights strictly because I didn't want to deal with modifying the JDM ones (plus I'm too much of n00b to attempt doing that, but that's a whole 'nother story :D). Unfortunately they do not come in HIDs so I decided to install an HID kit into them. As you can see from the picture, because its a halogen projector, there are some "dark spots" in the foreground lighting, but it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Anyways, my fogs fill in whatever "dark spots" there may be, so I'm satisfied. In my eyes, overall the foreground lighting is a lot better than stock, plus they shoot out a lot farther. My distance lighting with these lights right now is better than what the stock headlights could achieve.
As you can see also in the picture, the cutoff on the beam is pretty sharp and I intentionally took a picture next to parked cars on the road so you can see where my cutoff hits. I did a test in my cousin's s2k in an empty parking lot, where we faced the cars to each other as if we were driving right by each other. I can honestly say that I'm not blinding anyone no more as much as an s2k is that comes w/ HIDs from the factory. In fact, I've never been flashed by any oncoming drivers.
Just thought I'd share some thoughts on this (hey, at least someone with EDMs has to speak up. :) ) All I can say is that I love my HIDs. A banana for correct cutoffs. :banana: Haha.
| AdamRX | 12-01-2004 11:11 PM |
This is exactly what I want^^^^^^
were did u get the EDMS and what kit are you using..
were did u get the EDMS and what kit are you using..
| sevendhappy | 12-02-2004 01:06 AM |
[QUOTE=AdamRX]This is exactly what I want^^^^^^
were did u get the EDMS and what kit are you using..[/QUOTE]
I was fortunate enough to get my EDMs in a group buy done by Subydude last year. It was a lot cheaper than buying them at the retail price they are now. Btw, [url=http://www.subydude.com][u]Subydude[/u][/url] does sell the EDM lights w/ a plug-n-play adapter. If you're wondering why the EDMs cost so much it's because they are a lot harder to get a hold of compared to the JDMs. Only a couple vendors carry the EDMs I think. As far as the HID kit, it was actually pieced together separately. I went the route another member went through ([url=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=450704&perpage=25&pagenumber=1][u]Click here[/u][/url]). I'm not sure if you can still piece it all together the same way, so I'd recommend going with an all in one kit. Do a search in the electrical forum, there is someone there who posted pics of the Brightstar HID kit in his EDM headlights.
:)
On a side note, if you buy the HID bulbs separately, don't buy the cheap ones that were mentioned in the link above. Buy the [url=http://www.xenonfactory.com][u]Philips rebased[/u][/url] ones. They cost more, but are worth it. I recently switched HID bulbs and the difference is huge. All I can say is you get what you pay for.
were did u get the EDMS and what kit are you using..[/QUOTE]
I was fortunate enough to get my EDMs in a group buy done by Subydude last year. It was a lot cheaper than buying them at the retail price they are now. Btw, [url=http://www.subydude.com][u]Subydude[/u][/url] does sell the EDM lights w/ a plug-n-play adapter. If you're wondering why the EDMs cost so much it's because they are a lot harder to get a hold of compared to the JDMs. Only a couple vendors carry the EDMs I think. As far as the HID kit, it was actually pieced together separately. I went the route another member went through ([url=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=450704&perpage=25&pagenumber=1][u]Click here[/u][/url]). I'm not sure if you can still piece it all together the same way, so I'd recommend going with an all in one kit. Do a search in the electrical forum, there is someone there who posted pics of the Brightstar HID kit in his EDM headlights.
:)
On a side note, if you buy the HID bulbs separately, don't buy the cheap ones that were mentioned in the link above. Buy the [url=http://www.xenonfactory.com][u]Philips rebased[/u][/url] ones. They cost more, but are worth it. I recently switched HID bulbs and the difference is huge. All I can say is you get what you pay for.
| AdamRX | 12-02-2004 08:17 AM |
yeah castle corner sells them for 950...cheaper than subydudes 1100
I still dont know how much they where from CC-b as their site kept frezzing in me (only tried twice though).
What I originally asked was about contacting a dealer directly in Europe. I dont know if it would be cheaper that way, instead of going through a middle man like SubyD or others..I have a friend in Sweden and other parts of Europe. I would ask them to find out, but I rather tell them "go here and get this", instead of "could you find this out for me."
I still dont know how much they where from CC-b as their site kept frezzing in me (only tried twice though).
What I originally asked was about contacting a dealer directly in Europe. I dont know if it would be cheaper that way, instead of going through a middle man like SubyD or others..I have a friend in Sweden and other parts of Europe. I would ask them to find out, but I rather tell them "go here and get this", instead of "could you find this out for me."
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