| wonthanhboi | 02-13-2002 09:13 PM |
i've heard bad things about HID kits
Well, i forgot which site it was, but it was informative about lighting and HID-looking bulbs and HID conversions with stock housings. The editor said that any HID kits wouldn't work that well because of the stock housing doesn't have the arch patterns or something to support the HID light.
Something about how the beams would be scattered or something if the housing wasn't built for HID. IT would give lots of glare to oncoming cars etc etc. [url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/info/bulbs/HID/conversion/[/url]
Now, i don't know what to do to upgrade lighting if this is true. You'd have to go shell out 3 grand for jap HID lighting which are RHD. Mayn. LOST LOST LOST.:confused:
Something about how the beams would be scattered or something if the housing wasn't built for HID. IT would give lots of glare to oncoming cars etc etc. [url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/info/bulbs/HID/conversion/[/url]
Now, i don't know what to do to upgrade lighting if this is true. You'd have to go shell out 3 grand for jap HID lighting which are RHD. Mayn. LOST LOST LOST.:confused:
| sherifx | 02-13-2002 09:25 PM |
I can tell you that HID kits fitted within the Stock housings aren't that bad... you loose a bit of their effectiveness, but its nothing to worry about, its a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the stock headlights... to the point where I'm going to do the switch myself. Now all you have to do to take the time to adjust the headlights properly and you won't have the glare issues mentioned. Granted, the light will look nowhere near as good as in a dedicated HID housing, but again its soo much better then the stock halogens its worth it. Now another alternative for you, if you are running a WRX (sorry didn't look to see) is to run the Morrettes w/ the HIDs which will run you about $12-1500, this is a viable alternative to the $2500 you'll prolly spend on the J-spec housings. Regarding the RHD status of the J-spec housings, I've read that them being RHD is not that big an issue and there actually is a plate inside that if ground, can change the setup from RHD to LHD. hope this helps
sherif
sherif
| nhluhr | 02-13-2002 11:32 PM |
well, if you've ever seen a HID-equipped BMW oncoming, the lights are not bothersome at all, yet the driver has ultimate lighting for himself.
Most lighting reflectors that were originally made for incandescent bulbs scatter the light alot and putting a super-bright true HID bulb in there is going to become ridiculously bright to oncoming cars, but you'll still gain a lot of lighting from it. Just beware of people flashing you.
Most lighting reflectors that were originally made for incandescent bulbs scatter the light alot and putting a super-bright true HID bulb in there is going to become ridiculously bright to oncoming cars, but you'll still gain a lot of lighting from it. Just beware of people flashing you.
| Andrew | 02-13-2002 11:50 PM |
that site was basically saying that HIDs are not best suited for a reflector housing. they are best in the projectors you see in BMWs etc. this doenst mean that it doesnt make an improvement. on the contrary, it makes a HUGE improvement. ive seen the HIDs on stock housing and it lights up the road so much better.
| SilverWRX02 | 02-14-2002 12:24 AM |
I love my HIDs. :D
| Accurit Performance | 02-14-2002 05:15 AM |
best is to try for urself.....
i have sensitive eyes for bright lights so i need somethin brighter at night so HIDs would be best for me......IPF H4 Dual Beam is the ones i m goin for i need to save up again fo this expensive kit....
=)
damn those badly lit street lights.....too bad its not like Japan.....
Acc
i have sensitive eyes for bright lights so i need somethin brighter at night so HIDs would be best for me......IPF H4 Dual Beam is the ones i m goin for i need to save up again fo this expensive kit....
=)
damn those badly lit street lights.....too bad its not like Japan.....
Acc
| Yotsuya | 02-14-2002 11:51 AM |
Lots of bright light can be gained by putting on your high beams; it's no different from the view point of oncoming traffic than HIDs and you're saving a bundle.
I'd recommend some proper European lights if you're going to be driving in an unlit area, like the highways or a back road. If you're really driving around the city, where there are street lights, more or brighter lights are a show item.
These are my opinions only; don't get too riled if they don't jibe with your own.
I'd recommend some proper European lights if you're going to be driving in an unlit area, like the highways or a back road. If you're really driving around the city, where there are street lights, more or brighter lights are a show item.
These are my opinions only; don't get too riled if they don't jibe with your own.
| Avey | 02-14-2002 12:32 PM |
I have had my HID kit in for a few months now, I have driven in the city, on the highway, and have driven on country roads. I haven't had one person flash me. Before putting the kit in I had a set of blue xenon bulbs, and never had anyone flash me. I had the exact same brand of bulbs(same wattage) in my Ford Focus, and had people flash me a few times, I even got flashed with the stock bulbs in. In the WRX I haven't had to aim the lights at all. I couldn't imagine putting a kit on a Focus but the WRX seems to have glare free lights (aimed low from the factory).
| sherifx | 02-14-2002 12:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Yotsuya [/i]
[B]Lots of bright light can be gained by putting on your high beams; it's no different from the view point of oncoming traffic than HIDs and you're saving a bundle...
...These are my opinions only; don't get too riled if they don't jibe with your own. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not going to flame you but simply point out that you are wrong. The way High beams work is that they not only emit a higher intensity light, but the beam is actually focused up. As one of the members pointed out, the wrx housings seem to be pointed low, and even if they are pointed high, then you can always re-aim them so that they don't have a similar effect as high beams do on oncoming traffic as you argue. Most of the people who argue HIDs simply judge them on their appearance outside of the car. I've occasionally driven my friend's car which has HIDs in the stock housings, and when I hop in mine after driving his, the difference is soo blatant, if it weren't for the occasional street light, I could barely tell the road was lit. One can only truely judge the improvement HIDs make for themselves, but in my opinion, any "light lost" due to the reflector not being designed for HIDs, is a small loss indeed when compared to the gains in brightness and visibility.
sherif
ps. I've never gotten flashed when driving my friends car either... but then again, if they did, they'd get 4 85w Halogens and 2 Hella FF1000 HID fogs in their eye... trust me, I've gotten it, I almost passed out from the sudden burst of light :D (yeah, my friend is a bit excessive... don't yah think?)
[B]Lots of bright light can be gained by putting on your high beams; it's no different from the view point of oncoming traffic than HIDs and you're saving a bundle...
...These are my opinions only; don't get too riled if they don't jibe with your own. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not going to flame you but simply point out that you are wrong. The way High beams work is that they not only emit a higher intensity light, but the beam is actually focused up. As one of the members pointed out, the wrx housings seem to be pointed low, and even if they are pointed high, then you can always re-aim them so that they don't have a similar effect as high beams do on oncoming traffic as you argue. Most of the people who argue HIDs simply judge them on their appearance outside of the car. I've occasionally driven my friend's car which has HIDs in the stock housings, and when I hop in mine after driving his, the difference is soo blatant, if it weren't for the occasional street light, I could barely tell the road was lit. One can only truely judge the improvement HIDs make for themselves, but in my opinion, any "light lost" due to the reflector not being designed for HIDs, is a small loss indeed when compared to the gains in brightness and visibility.
sherif
ps. I've never gotten flashed when driving my friends car either... but then again, if they did, they'd get 4 85w Halogens and 2 Hella FF1000 HID fogs in their eye... trust me, I've gotten it, I almost passed out from the sudden burst of light :D (yeah, my friend is a bit excessive... don't yah think?)
| Yotsuya | 02-14-2002 02:09 PM |
It's light; no matter where the beam is aimed, HID glare will not be much different to the eye at night, maybe a little worse due to the shorter wavelength.
| subarumantoo | 02-14-2002 02:13 PM |
The biggest problem by far with the HID lights is the cost. They are still double what I would pay for a "light bulb", no matter how bright they are...
| sherifx | 02-14-2002 02:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by subarumantoo [/i]
[B]The biggest problem by far with the HID lights is the cost. They are still double what I would pay for a "light bulb", no matter how bright they are... [/B][/QUOTE]
um yeah but for the price you are getting longevity, safety and night time visibility... small price to pay to avoid that giant pothole or to see a deer a few moments earlier or any other in the list of possible problems one can encounter on the road while driving at night. additionally its been rumored that the copyright on HIDs is about to expire. if so, the price will drop dramatically, yet at the same time the risk to recieving low quality parts increases... I'll pay the 3-500$ now personally.
sherif
[B]The biggest problem by far with the HID lights is the cost. They are still double what I would pay for a "light bulb", no matter how bright they are... [/B][/QUOTE]
um yeah but for the price you are getting longevity, safety and night time visibility... small price to pay to avoid that giant pothole or to see a deer a few moments earlier or any other in the list of possible problems one can encounter on the road while driving at night. additionally its been rumored that the copyright on HIDs is about to expire. if so, the price will drop dramatically, yet at the same time the risk to recieving low quality parts increases... I'll pay the 3-500$ now personally.
sherif
| Yotsuya | 02-14-2002 03:35 PM |
$3-500 will not get you HIDs, but it will get you some useful E-code lights (like Morettes); my original recommendation. They will have a proper beam pattern (no glare), and put light in all the right places.
There are a couple, more obscure points about HID kits, somewhere around [URL=http://lighting.mbz.org]This site[/URL].
There are a couple, more obscure points about HID kits, somewhere around [URL=http://lighting.mbz.org]This site[/URL].
| Shaggee | 02-14-2002 03:45 PM |
Ummmm werent eaglelites HID's going for like 325 in the group buy??? Thats not so bad my gripe is that i dont need them since i live in the city and all the streets are lit up nicely
| sherifx | 02-14-2002 03:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Yotsuya [/i]
[B]$3-500 will not get you HIDs,... [/B][/QUOTE]
um, I beg to differ:
1.
[url]www.vividracing.com[/url] - 9007HIDPRPL 9007HID Kit Purple $524.99
this is the 6000K set, which is better imho then your typical "blue" or "white" 5000K set.
2.
[url]www.vividracing.com[/url] - 9007HIDWHT 9007 HID Kit White $499.99
your typical 5000K set
those are just two examples I had off hand... I have found them for cheaper, but I'm just too lazy to pull them up right now
sherif
[B]$3-500 will not get you HIDs,... [/B][/QUOTE]
um, I beg to differ:
1.
[url]www.vividracing.com[/url] - 9007HIDPRPL 9007HID Kit Purple $524.99
this is the 6000K set, which is better imho then your typical "blue" or "white" 5000K set.
2.
[url]www.vividracing.com[/url] - 9007HIDWHT 9007 HID Kit White $499.99
your typical 5000K set
those are just two examples I had off hand... I have found them for cheaper, but I'm just too lazy to pull them up right now
sherif
| Yotsuya | 02-14-2002 07:35 PM |
Wow, those prices have come down from the research I did a year ago. I stand corrected, though I still like those E-codes.
Purple? That's an even shorter wavelength than blue. I would not want to have even mild humidity present when using them. Though I guess there's not much rain in Egypt (or East Detroit).
Purple? That's an even shorter wavelength than blue. I would not want to have even mild humidity present when using them. Though I guess there's not much rain in Egypt (or East Detroit).
| wonthanhboi | 02-14-2002 08:13 PM |
yeah DUDE! Theres a groupbuy somewhere that people are selling for like 335?!?!? Yeah, prices are way low. I'd rather keep the prices there so that we don't get cheap products. If newer companies make them after the patent ends, i'd still rather buy them from phillips or eaglite. BTW, do they have the 6000k for 9007 wrx lights?
| sherifx | 02-14-2002 09:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wonthanhboi [/i]
[B]yeah DUDE! Theres a groupbuy somewhere that people are selling for like 335?!?!? Yeah, prices are way low. I'd rather keep the prices there so that we don't get cheap products. If newer companies make them after the patent ends, i'd still rather buy them from phillips or eaglite. BTW, do they have the 6000k for 9007 wrx lights? [/B][/QUOTE]
sorry, you seem to keep getting this confused... Philips [B]does not[/B] sell their own kit. Currently [B]all[/B] kits include Ballasts by Philips, but are sold by companies such as Eaglites (all kits are Philips kits... so you [B]cannot[/B] choose btwn Philips or Eaglites... they are one in the same). In regards to the 6000K 9007, the first price for about $530 from [url]www.vividracing.com[/url] was for the 6000K HID kit.
sherif
[B]yeah DUDE! Theres a groupbuy somewhere that people are selling for like 335?!?!? Yeah, prices are way low. I'd rather keep the prices there so that we don't get cheap products. If newer companies make them after the patent ends, i'd still rather buy them from phillips or eaglite. BTW, do they have the 6000k for 9007 wrx lights? [/B][/QUOTE]
sorry, you seem to keep getting this confused... Philips [B]does not[/B] sell their own kit. Currently [B]all[/B] kits include Ballasts by Philips, but are sold by companies such as Eaglites (all kits are Philips kits... so you [B]cannot[/B] choose btwn Philips or Eaglites... they are one in the same). In regards to the 6000K 9007, the first price for about $530 from [url]www.vividracing.com[/url] was for the 6000K HID kit.
sherif
| Frederf | 02-27-2002 03:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Yotsuya [/i]
[B]Wow, those prices have come down from the research I did a year ago. I stand corrected, though I still like those E-codes.
Purple? That's an even shorter wavelength than blue. I would not want to have even mild humidity present when using them. Though I guess there's not much rain in Egypt (or East Detroit). [/B][/QUOTE]
Shorter wavelenghts of light are BETTER at penetrating water particles in the air. Although the purple lights are probably red+blue and not a shorter wavelength than blue.
[B]Wow, those prices have come down from the research I did a year ago. I stand corrected, though I still like those E-codes.
Purple? That's an even shorter wavelength than blue. I would not want to have even mild humidity present when using them. Though I guess there's not much rain in Egypt (or East Detroit). [/B][/QUOTE]
Shorter wavelenghts of light are BETTER at penetrating water particles in the air. Although the purple lights are probably red+blue and not a shorter wavelength than blue.
| TaiChih | 02-27-2002 04:53 AM |
I believe that the blue light(shorter wavelength) is actually worse at penetrating water particles in the air. Water tends to [I]reflect[/I] more blue light, so the bad news about HID's is, it is not good for foggy weather. The best kind of light for misty/foggy weather is yellow light and having the lights mounted closer to the ground so it may light up the road in front and not the water at eye level.;)
| Frederf | 02-27-2002 05:30 AM |
I could have sworn the short wavelength was better at getting between particles in fog. And I though it trasmitted through water better, hence why ocean depths appear blue. Geez, you'd think a college physics student could figure this out :P well, 40B (or is it 40C?) is coming up, so I'll know by then.
| gtguy | 02-27-2002 09:31 AM |
That "splashing" effect is the reason that any car you see that's running properly designed HIDs will have projector lenses, which work perfectly with HIDs to focus the light.
The problem is the cost, vs. what people are willing to spend for what is essentially a cosmetic mod, since the stock WRX headlights are fine and dandy. Were I going to do HID, I would do either Morettes with the HID kit, or Prodrive tri-lamps with an H4 HID kit. Both of those setups will be exceptional. My experiences with WRXs and HID setups have been less than impressive, frankly.
Will an HID kit in your stock reflector throw off more light? Absolutely. But the losses, that is, the light that is thrown to places where it doesn't do you any good, are also great. Remember, just because people don't flash you, doesn't mean that you aren't annoying them with your lights.
Kevin
The problem is the cost, vs. what people are willing to spend for what is essentially a cosmetic mod, since the stock WRX headlights are fine and dandy. Were I going to do HID, I would do either Morettes with the HID kit, or Prodrive tri-lamps with an H4 HID kit. Both of those setups will be exceptional. My experiences with WRXs and HID setups have been less than impressive, frankly.
Will an HID kit in your stock reflector throw off more light? Absolutely. But the losses, that is, the light that is thrown to places where it doesn't do you any good, are also great. Remember, just because people don't flash you, doesn't mean that you aren't annoying them with your lights.
Kevin
| sherifx | 02-27-2002 01:35 PM |
gtguy, yeah I hear yer points... but for somebody like me, who has had a corneal ulcer, HIDs, even in the stock housings, are a [B]Dramatic[/B] improvement. My eyes have a lot of trouble at night... when I'm driving down a dark road or even a dimly lit road at night, if there is an oncoming car, almost everything in my vision goes black b/c their headlights are shooting right in my eyes and therefore appear brighter then my headlights therefore causing me to loose sight of what is on the road in front of me. Having HIDs, yes even in the stock housing, seems to eliminate this probelm, b/c since they are brighter, my eyes give them "priority" as it were... so I don't loose focus of what is on the road. Granted I will get morrettes or the STi projector housings to accompany my upgrade to HIDs, but none the less, even in this one very rare instance, the value of HIDs is highly incomperable due to their increase in safety due to aiding my vision at night.
| Yotsuya | 02-27-2002 03:05 PM |
Short (blue, purple) wavelenghts are more easily redirected by water. If you live in the east anywhere the Pennsylvania Railroad ran, look at their light signals, many of which are still used. They are a series of yellow lights arranged in patterns to reflect stop, slow or go. They did this rather than use color signals because the yellow lights were more visable in fog. Today, of course, they use computers, but the signals are still out there.
| jacobhorn | 02-27-2002 04:52 PM |
I would recommend both E-Spec Headlights (Morettes) and HIDs.
My 98 Legacy GT with Morettes and HID low beams.
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pe7ab6a5f266ab7634bcb99fa91467776/fe099cf4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p44d420e8c50566cee9b0bd00a008093b/fe099d84.jpg[/img]
:)
Jacob
My 98 Legacy GT with Morettes and HID low beams.
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pe7ab6a5f266ab7634bcb99fa91467776/fe099cf4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p44d420e8c50566cee9b0bd00a008093b/fe099d84.jpg[/img]
:)
Jacob
| mr2guru | 02-27-2002 06:44 PM |
HID conversion at least for the WRX is great. Beam pattern is perfect. You loose high beam but then again you don't need it.
GTguy, Don't most Acuras w/ oem hids have reflector lenses? I think so.... anyway here a decent pic of the beam pattern on mine
[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129896[/url]
GTguy, Don't most Acuras w/ oem hids have reflector lenses? I think so.... anyway here a decent pic of the beam pattern on mine
[url]http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129896[/url]
| gtguy | 02-27-2002 07:42 PM |
I don't think that Acuras use projector lenses. That's also why they annoy the hell out of me when they're behind me at night, while BMWs and Audis don't, I think. Hence the "properly designed" caveat. I don't think that Acura's way is the best way.
But when there's an Acura coming up behind me at night, I always think it's some butthead with his brights on. When an Audi or BMW come up at the same point (there are tons of all three in my neighborhood), I know that the car has HIDs, but I don't need to flip my mirror to the night setting.
Kevin
But when there's an Acura coming up behind me at night, I always think it's some butthead with his brights on. When an Audi or BMW come up at the same point (there are tons of all three in my neighborhood), I know that the car has HIDs, but I don't need to flip my mirror to the night setting.
Kevin
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