| subusmday | 06-08-2002 11:16 AM |
OEM under spoiler woes
Just installed the OEM front underspoiler last night...
So I got it all mounted up and it looks nice..BUT the driver side does not want to stay stuck to the bumper.
First I washed the car before even working on it, then I toweled it dry and finally before the final installation I wiped it down with alcohol so it was very very clean. Before installing I heated up the tape with a hair drier and then finally pushed it all into place and had someone hold that corner with the double sided tape down for a good 10 - 15 mins while we tightened everything up. So after 10 - 15 mins we let go and it stays stuck to the bumper for maybe 10 mins then lets go! So we move on to the right side and do the exact same procedure and it sticks a little better and only the very very tip of the right side (that tiny piece of double sided tape was really not sticky) isn't sticking.
So we put the hair dryer to the left side again and heat it up while its still in place then press on it and again it will not stay down!
I did a seach before posting, and saw one post out of like 4 pages where a guy had the exact same issue and he was told to purchase 3M foamy double sided at an automotive shop. So has anyone else run into this issue after installing theirs?
Did this work for you?
I think a thicker double sided automotive quality tape should prob do it but I was wondering if any one else had this issue and resolved it?
Thanks,
-Eric
So I got it all mounted up and it looks nice..BUT the driver side does not want to stay stuck to the bumper.
First I washed the car before even working on it, then I toweled it dry and finally before the final installation I wiped it down with alcohol so it was very very clean. Before installing I heated up the tape with a hair drier and then finally pushed it all into place and had someone hold that corner with the double sided tape down for a good 10 - 15 mins while we tightened everything up. So after 10 - 15 mins we let go and it stays stuck to the bumper for maybe 10 mins then lets go! So we move on to the right side and do the exact same procedure and it sticks a little better and only the very very tip of the right side (that tiny piece of double sided tape was really not sticky) isn't sticking.
So we put the hair dryer to the left side again and heat it up while its still in place then press on it and again it will not stay down!
I did a seach before posting, and saw one post out of like 4 pages where a guy had the exact same issue and he was told to purchase 3M foamy double sided at an automotive shop. So has anyone else run into this issue after installing theirs?
Did this work for you?
I think a thicker double sided automotive quality tape should prob do it but I was wondering if any one else had this issue and resolved it?
Thanks,
-Eric
| jblaine | 06-08-2002 11:51 AM |
I've got the Prodrive WR "Aero" (aka UK300) lip. It comes with glue, in addition to the taped top edge. Mine's not going anywhere for a long time. Consider committing fully to the lip by expoying/gluing it with proper sticky stuff. Taping things to my car isn't my cup of tea.
| subusmday | 06-08-2002 12:08 PM |
Yes I was thinking about glueing or epoxying if this 3m stuff doesn't work out, I just want it to look clean and even. What would be a good epoxy to use I mean you figure that bumper is really smooth and shiny and both pieces are plastic so im not sure what would bond to that.
Thanks all in advance for your advice,
-Eric
Thanks all in advance for your advice,
-Eric
| subusmday | 06-08-2002 07:08 PM |
Update:
Looked for 3m double sided foam this evening, yet the only autoparts store open was VIP and I have yet to find any thing thicker then the 3m double sided that is as thin as a nickle (pretty much the same thing that comes with the kit).
So the search will continue Monday but the other issue is what type of two part epoxy works?
I saw a 15 minute 2 part (Rated at 1500 psi for strength)
and a 60 second two part (Rated at 1250 PSI) that said they were good for plastics, just not polyethelene or polypropelene.
The third two part epoxy was a 15 minute that dried in an off white (not really good) BUT was rated for 3500 PSI and did not have the warning about those two plastics.
So is the OEM front underlip or the plastic bumper either of these plastics?
The other option was a black tube of 3m trim / emblem plastic adhesive. This did not have the warning about either plastics but i'm just not sure which one will be strong enough to hold this thing.
Lastly has anyone been able to pop the OEM front lip spoiler thing back out after popping it into that hole? I am not even sure I
need to completely take the left side of the lip off before cleaning the area, re-adding thicker / stronger foam and finally applying a glue / epoxy.
Any information would be appreciated,
-Eric
Looked for 3m double sided foam this evening, yet the only autoparts store open was VIP and I have yet to find any thing thicker then the 3m double sided that is as thin as a nickle (pretty much the same thing that comes with the kit).
So the search will continue Monday but the other issue is what type of two part epoxy works?
I saw a 15 minute 2 part (Rated at 1500 psi for strength)
and a 60 second two part (Rated at 1250 PSI) that said they were good for plastics, just not polyethelene or polypropelene.
The third two part epoxy was a 15 minute that dried in an off white (not really good) BUT was rated for 3500 PSI and did not have the warning about those two plastics.
So is the OEM front underlip or the plastic bumper either of these plastics?
The other option was a black tube of 3m trim / emblem plastic adhesive. This did not have the warning about either plastics but i'm just not sure which one will be strong enough to hold this thing.
Lastly has anyone been able to pop the OEM front lip spoiler thing back out after popping it into that hole? I am not even sure I
need to completely take the left side of the lip off before cleaning the area, re-adding thicker / stronger foam and finally applying a glue / epoxy.
Any information would be appreciated,
-Eric
| CTKAG | 06-08-2002 08:06 PM |
I installed a body kit some years back on a pick-up truck - front air dam, 2-piece side skirts, rear skirts & apron. The kit used what was basically 'Liquid Nails' - applied by a caulking gun. This is often used to install panelling for household (& in vans/campers). Should still be available at Lowe's/Home Depot. I had the kit on for 10 years - never pulled/broke loose. I used some silicone sealer after the kit was installed to keep water from seeping betwwen the panels & freezing - which could have lifted them. You may need to pick up a couple of those vice-grip type adjustable clamps (not the metal pliers - the clamps) to hold the parts in place until it dries.
| Slappie | 06-08-2002 08:20 PM |
Clear RTV Silicone will hold it forever, but can be removed if needed. Don't use much so it does not ooze out. Test glue something overnight if you don't believe me.
Rich
Rich
| subusmday | 06-08-2002 09:36 PM |
Thanks guys I'll check these out tomorrow.
I need to also figure out how to clean out the double sided tape thats in there right now thats not sticking to the wing.
Good times Good times,
-Eric
I need to also figure out how to clean out the double sided tape thats in there right now thats not sticking to the wing.
Good times Good times,
-Eric
| skubysnak | 06-09-2002 02:34 PM |
I had the same issue
I used some tape to keep it stuck for the first few days, heated it with a heat gun to help the shape (be careful). Removed the tape and everything held well. If the tape has been damged you will have to replace it first, the 3m product is a good one.
| kenchan | 06-09-2002 04:21 PM |
huh!!! problems with the lip, huh?
i installed the factory rear valance yesterday and it seemed to adhere real well. were you installing it in really moist or cool (cold) climate? if so, yah, you may need to heat up not only the bumper but the lips before installing it.
is the factory front lip a 3 piece design like the rear?
laters.
i installed the factory rear valance yesterday and it seemed to adhere real well. were you installing it in really moist or cool (cold) climate? if so, yah, you may need to heat up not only the bumper but the lips before installing it.
is the factory front lip a 3 piece design like the rear?
laters.
| CirrusWRX | 06-10-2002 12:34 PM |
You may want to try and get in touch with LehighWRX -- I met him at a dinner/meet a few weeks ago, and he too was having some difficulty and needed some re-working with his OEM kit. I think he said he was taking it back to the place who installed it for him (might've even been "factory") and I think he mentioned it was installed during cold winter months or something.
Anyway, just thought I'd give you another lead -- sorry if it's a dead end, but worth a try!
/<
Anyway, just thought I'd give you another lead -- sorry if it's a dead end, but worth a try!
/<
| Weedy | 06-10-2002 06:54 PM |
Try finding the 3M "red" tape. It is some really strong tape that is double sided that I know a body shop here in town uses to hold body panels on with. I also know that that is what they use on the roof mount XM antennas. Not sure if this will solve your problem though. Hope it helps...
| subusmday | 06-11-2002 01:32 AM |
Wow you guys rock!!
Sorta long update with some good info...
Ok here is the scoop so far, I went and purchased the 3m double sided tape AND some JB weld for plastics.
I went home and tested it first on the passenger side because that one stuck pretty good except for the tip because the tape wore out.
So I made up a batch of the jb weld and smeared it just on that tip that used to have the very small piece of double sided tape.
I Held the tip down for 4 minutes and let go and it stuck and looks good.
So the driver side was the real bugger!! I had some help from my father because he is an excellent mechanic. So his idea was to pop the left one back out..(never happened) and re-bend the tip so it followed the curve of the bumper better, so we undid the screws and could not get the OEM clip on the back side of the bumper back out. Plus we were looking at where you pop it into the hole you drilled....ya that would take some serious yankin to get it outa there.
So having the driver side still mounted up I cleaned the area again with 3m wax / tar remover then hit it with the alcohol. Next I cleaned out all the old tape in that driver side lip and took 3 pieces of the 3m double sided tape to match it back up with the bumper and slid it into place on the lip, what I didn't like was the double sided tape makes contact with 3 ridges on the inside of the lip which I would think you would want more surface area to stick to then just 3 ridges but who knows.
After carefully placing the new double sided tape in place I wipped up a batch of that jd weld stuff. Now I put the same amount as the passenger side and then pressed it all together, which it looks really good because its black so it just looks like the rubber trim.
Well after waiting and holding for 13 minutes (says 4 minutes but it was still kinda tacky) I let go....................only to watch it pull back away!!! You son of a......
So now im really starting to thinking I'm fighting a losing battle here...So this time because the tape is holding just the tip is not following the curve of the bumper I make a very very big batch of jb weld. This was very very nerve racking because as im stuffing this stuff underneath and above the lip tip Im also wiping the extra stuff as fast as I can because it sets in 4 minutes. Now after pressing it into position I put a big ole clamp pressed against a piece of wood wrapped in cloth putting constant pressure against it. And let that baby sit over night.
I woke up, took the clamp off..........it stuck...*phew*
Oh but wait..I have the worlds worst luck!!
So I decide to let it sit for an hour and then come back out to see if it held. I come back and they are both still stuck down (COOL) so I wonder..hmmmm time for the 100 mph test. (lets not pay to much attention to this part) moving on....
I get back and check out the tips...both still stuck down!! Alright im feeling like this nightmare is totally over.
Then I go inside and get ready for work, come back out 2 hours later and the PASSENGER SIDE UNSTUCK!!!
So I clean the jb weld stuff out wipe it back down with the wax / tar remover and will use alot more jb weld with the constant pressure of the clamps again. I think my mistake with the first one was
A. It was a very small contact area for the glue to bond to.
B. I had a hard time maintaining the same constant pressure so the glue was probably setting then rebonding then resetting then rebonding as my thumbs kept shaking.
So as it sits the really bad tip is doing good (hope I didn't just jinx myself, I will be going outside to look again before going to bed).
The other tip will be getting the same treatment Wed.
I really like this idea of heating it up and was wondering if I could do this with just a hair dryer?
Thanks again and I apologize if its really long but I just needed to vent / share.
-Eric
Sorta long update with some good info...
Ok here is the scoop so far, I went and purchased the 3m double sided tape AND some JB weld for plastics.
I went home and tested it first on the passenger side because that one stuck pretty good except for the tip because the tape wore out.
So I made up a batch of the jb weld and smeared it just on that tip that used to have the very small piece of double sided tape.
I Held the tip down for 4 minutes and let go and it stuck and looks good.
So the driver side was the real bugger!! I had some help from my father because he is an excellent mechanic. So his idea was to pop the left one back out..(never happened) and re-bend the tip so it followed the curve of the bumper better, so we undid the screws and could not get the OEM clip on the back side of the bumper back out. Plus we were looking at where you pop it into the hole you drilled....ya that would take some serious yankin to get it outa there.
So having the driver side still mounted up I cleaned the area again with 3m wax / tar remover then hit it with the alcohol. Next I cleaned out all the old tape in that driver side lip and took 3 pieces of the 3m double sided tape to match it back up with the bumper and slid it into place on the lip, what I didn't like was the double sided tape makes contact with 3 ridges on the inside of the lip which I would think you would want more surface area to stick to then just 3 ridges but who knows.
After carefully placing the new double sided tape in place I wipped up a batch of that jd weld stuff. Now I put the same amount as the passenger side and then pressed it all together, which it looks really good because its black so it just looks like the rubber trim.
Well after waiting and holding for 13 minutes (says 4 minutes but it was still kinda tacky) I let go....................only to watch it pull back away!!! You son of a......
So now im really starting to thinking I'm fighting a losing battle here...So this time because the tape is holding just the tip is not following the curve of the bumper I make a very very big batch of jb weld. This was very very nerve racking because as im stuffing this stuff underneath and above the lip tip Im also wiping the extra stuff as fast as I can because it sets in 4 minutes. Now after pressing it into position I put a big ole clamp pressed against a piece of wood wrapped in cloth putting constant pressure against it. And let that baby sit over night.
I woke up, took the clamp off..........it stuck...*phew*
Oh but wait..I have the worlds worst luck!!
So I decide to let it sit for an hour and then come back out to see if it held. I come back and they are both still stuck down (COOL) so I wonder..hmmmm time for the 100 mph test. (lets not pay to much attention to this part) moving on....
I get back and check out the tips...both still stuck down!! Alright im feeling like this nightmare is totally over.
Then I go inside and get ready for work, come back out 2 hours later and the PASSENGER SIDE UNSTUCK!!!
So I clean the jb weld stuff out wipe it back down with the wax / tar remover and will use alot more jb weld with the constant pressure of the clamps again. I think my mistake with the first one was
A. It was a very small contact area for the glue to bond to.
B. I had a hard time maintaining the same constant pressure so the glue was probably setting then rebonding then resetting then rebonding as my thumbs kept shaking.
So as it sits the really bad tip is doing good (hope I didn't just jinx myself, I will be going outside to look again before going to bed).
The other tip will be getting the same treatment Wed.
I really like this idea of heating it up and was wondering if I could do this with just a hair dryer?
Thanks again and I apologize if its really long but I just needed to vent / share.
-Eric
| subusmday | 06-11-2002 01:37 AM |
The Rear piece is also 3 parts and requires more double sided tape?? Man I hope not this has made me a little double sided tape shy. I thought the rear might be two pieces that maybe clip to those parts of the rear quarter that swing down and around back?
Good times Good times
-Eric
Good times Good times
-Eric
| SoLo OnE | 06-11-2002 10:49 AM |
I don't think there is a way to get the tips to stick just because the tape stops like a half inch before the end of the tip and because of the body lines of the car.
I had mine installed by a body shop and they were popping off of the front bumper. I looked at it and was like "You gotta fix that with epoxy or something."
He pointed out how the very edge of the tips don't have tape and was worried that bending them flush to the bumper would break something or put too much stress on the back of the piece.
So they took them COMPLETELY off and realigned them. The shop I go to does excellent work and I give them alot of business so he was as pissed as I was that they weren't lined up right.
I've had them on for about two months and they aren't moving anywhere. But we'll see what happens after winter. They might just break right off my car. :rolleyes:
I had mine installed by a body shop and they were popping off of the front bumper. I looked at it and was like "You gotta fix that with epoxy or something."
He pointed out how the very edge of the tips don't have tape and was worried that bending them flush to the bumper would break something or put too much stress on the back of the piece.
So they took them COMPLETELY off and realigned them. The shop I go to does excellent work and I give them alot of business so he was as pissed as I was that they weren't lined up right.
I've had them on for about two months and they aren't moving anywhere. But we'll see what happens after winter. They might just break right off my car. :rolleyes:
| kenchan | 06-11-2002 01:29 PM |
man, wonder why it's so tough to get the front ones on... and think all the bad luck you might have curve-ing it or hitting a tirestop at a parking lot.. ouch. :(
the rear valance is a 3 piece design and does have many bolts and clips to hold it in place along with a strip of double stick tape across the top of the center piece. on mine it stuck very well..but did wait until a really warm dry day to do the install.
now im thinking twice about getting the factory lip. hummmm...
the rear valance is a 3 piece design and does have many bolts and clips to hold it in place along with a strip of double stick tape across the top of the center piece. on mine it stuck very well..but did wait until a really warm dry day to do the install.
now im thinking twice about getting the factory lip. hummmm...
| jblaine | 06-11-2002 04:43 PM |
Damn, what a fiasco, submusday! Sheesh. I had mine (the Prodrive one) installed for free by the people who painted it (nice people). It hasn't flinched. The install was done on a 45 degree day here in MA even. Sorry to hear yours is being a royal pain. I know I probably would have smashed it by now if it was mine :)
| Cosworth | 06-11-2002 05:21 PM |
Drill it and bolt it!
| subusmday | 06-12-2002 01:24 AM |
Yeah thats my fear too, hit one cone and BOOM they break off leaving a mess behind!!
I'm thinking the next one might be a one piece but I really like the look of the OEM one so its a tough call.
The whole time I have been messin with these things im thinking....I could just drill one good ole dry wall screw with the makita right through the bumper and it would solve this problem!!
But no must resist listening to this guy---->:devil:
hehe,
-Eric
I'm thinking the next one might be a one piece but I really like the look of the OEM one so its a tough call.
The whole time I have been messin with these things im thinking....I could just drill one good ole dry wall screw with the makita right through the bumper and it would solve this problem!!
But no must resist listening to this guy---->:devil:
hehe,
-Eric
| kenchan | 06-12-2002 01:45 PM |
hey, i took my chances and got the factory front lip anyways. hahaha. :D there aren't any other ones other than the prodrive one that will be able to give the kind of ground clearance as the factory... and my car is lowered quite a bit. i was thinking about the c-west or greddy, but those are too low for my car, especially in snow weather. right now the lowest part of the front bumper on the side is approx 14cm. with the factory lip it will be some where in the range of 13cm, so not bad.
anyway, im gonna wait until a dryer day here in chi-town before the install. rain forecasted for tomorrow....not enough time for the double stick tape to adhere.
will keep you guys posted. :p
anyway, im gonna wait until a dryer day here in chi-town before the install. rain forecasted for tomorrow....not enough time for the double stick tape to adhere.
will keep you guys posted. :p
| Ride Operator | 06-12-2002 01:52 PM |
Heh, heh count me in as another having a little trouble with the front lip. My right side one is coming off and there's a small gap for about 2 inches or so near the front most part of the lip. I'm just gonna glue that bad boy down tonight, stay tuned.
The left side went on fine though.
In related news, I just took my side skirts in to get painted today. Price $100, I'll be picking them up Thursday.
The left side went on fine though.
In related news, I just took my side skirts in to get painted today. Price $100, I'll be picking them up Thursday.
| kenchan | 06-12-2002 04:34 PM |
didn't you guys heatgun the pieces to test fit them first? just typical steps during test fitting tougher ground efx.. :confused: im going to test fit them first, then heat gun that tip so that it curves more towards the bumper... then peel off the backing and smack that baby on there.:lol:
IF that piece does come peeling off, Im going to drill a countersunk bolt through it and mount it into the bumper. then I will paster, sand, and touch up the screw head with paint. no biggie.
btw, have you guys seen the imitation factory lip? it might be a 1 piece design, not sure.. they painted the middle part the same color as the side pieces...on a lighter colored car like my silver, it looks good. i might get some silver tape and tape the middle gray piece to make it a silver/chrome finish. hell, i might just paint silver over it. ;)
i painted the sideskirts at $14including tax. :p
IF that piece does come peeling off, Im going to drill a countersunk bolt through it and mount it into the bumper. then I will paster, sand, and touch up the screw head with paint. no biggie.
btw, have you guys seen the imitation factory lip? it might be a 1 piece design, not sure.. they painted the middle part the same color as the side pieces...on a lighter colored car like my silver, it looks good. i might get some silver tape and tape the middle gray piece to make it a silver/chrome finish. hell, i might just paint silver over it. ;)
i painted the sideskirts at $14including tax. :p
| Ride Operator | 06-12-2002 05:27 PM |
I test fitted it and all. I think the hole I made was a little off, go figure. We'll see If I can get it under control after work.
$14 nice! I was thinking about doing it myself, but wimped out. My bro did his sideskirts himself a few years back. He said it lasted long enough (~2yrs) but eventually started to chip off.
$14 nice! I was thinking about doing it myself, but wimped out. My bro did his sideskirts himself a few years back. He said it lasted long enough (~2yrs) but eventually started to chip off.
| kenchan | 06-12-2002 10:14 PM |
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hi guys, i installed the front lip tonite...took me less than one hour and took my dandiest time. :p yah, when I test fitted it, that point part did point away from the bumper...so as I would with any ground efx, i heatgunned it and bent it alittle.
when i went to drill the hole with that paper template, i made a tiny mark based on the template. then I put the side pieces against the bumper and pressed on the bumper to make a mark with that pointy thing that goes into the front bumper hole. I drilled between the template hole and the mark that I made from the side pieces. as I installed the side pieces for good, i heat gunned it again and MADE SURE it was hot enough to get a little soft...then jammed the pointy thing into the front bumper and pressed on the side piece for a good 10-15sec. no problems, not coming off...i even pulled on it a few times... it aint coming off.
so the trick, use a heat gun. :p
car looks great now. :) enjoy!
yeh, if the self-paint lasts a good year or 2, that's good enough. just sand it again and repaint...or get some cool aftermarket ones (non factory). :p
when i went to drill the hole with that paper template, i made a tiny mark based on the template. then I put the side pieces against the bumper and pressed on the bumper to make a mark with that pointy thing that goes into the front bumper hole. I drilled between the template hole and the mark that I made from the side pieces. as I installed the side pieces for good, i heat gunned it again and MADE SURE it was hot enough to get a little soft...then jammed the pointy thing into the front bumper and pressed on the side piece for a good 10-15sec. no problems, not coming off...i even pulled on it a few times... it aint coming off.
so the trick, use a heat gun. :p
car looks great now. :) enjoy!
yeh, if the self-paint lasts a good year or 2, that's good enough. just sand it again and repaint...or get some cool aftermarket ones (non factory). :p
| Ride Operator | 06-12-2002 11:53 PM |
Sweet ride ken. :cool: Where'd you get the drop from?
As for myself, I was able to get that piece down using the above mentioned JB weld. I bought the 4 minute cure. Held it down with a piece of tape and it worked out.
Wish I had a heat gun, shoulda used the hairdryer at least.. oh well.
As for myself, I was able to get that piece down using the above mentioned JB weld. I bought the 4 minute cure. Held it down with a piece of tape and it worked out.
Wish I had a heat gun, shoulda used the hairdryer at least.. oh well.
| kenchan | 06-13-2002 12:10 AM |
wrxlarc - thanx. :D im using tein HA's. :p
yeh, a hair dryer 'might' work if you were in a garage (no wind) and you held it like less than an inch away. subaru needs to make that sharp tip so that it curves more into the bumper w/o any heatgun procedure.
im happy with the lip. matches the lines with the rear valance real well.
yeh, a hair dryer 'might' work if you were in a garage (no wind) and you held it like less than an inch away. subaru needs to make that sharp tip so that it curves more into the bumper w/o any heatgun procedure.
im happy with the lip. matches the lines with the rear valance real well.
| subusmday | 06-13-2002 03:06 AM |
ken that is a sweet looking setup!!
I was playing around tonight with the hairdryer on the passenger side tip before I glued it finally and I did get it to bend a bit but was really nervous to blister the paint.
This is my first experience with ground effects so I wasn't sure how much heat they could take before messing the paint up but it seems like you could get them pretty warm.
Yep all is well and looking at kenchan's car I will be buying the OEM back diffuser because it just looks too nice:D
-Eric
I was playing around tonight with the hairdryer on the passenger side tip before I glued it finally and I did get it to bend a bit but was really nervous to blister the paint.
This is my first experience with ground effects so I wasn't sure how much heat they could take before messing the paint up but it seems like you could get them pretty warm.
Yep all is well and looking at kenchan's car I will be buying the OEM back diffuser because it just looks too nice:D
-Eric
| kenchan | 06-13-2002 01:12 PM |
subusmday - thanx :D hey, glad to hear the heating worked out on your lip too. :p yeh, you can get that thing pretty darn hot (VERY HOT) without ruining your paint. i had leather working gloves on while i held the lip to bend so that i didn't burn myself with the heatgun. hehehe.
yeh the factory lip compliments the factory rear valance VERY WELL. :)
yeh the factory lip compliments the factory rear valance VERY WELL. :)
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