| Achilles38WRX | 08-22-2002 04:14 PM |
Someone close the gate! (bad nascar crash)
[URL=http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/bg/08/22/mharmon_crash/index.html]http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/bg/08/22/mharmon_crash/index.html[/URL]
somone didnt lock the gate at bristol motor speedway, the guy walked away with only bruises but the car was absolutly demolished:
hoping this links work
[IMG]http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/bg/08/22/mharmon_crash/huge-crash_xl.jpg[/IMG]
mark
somone didnt lock the gate at bristol motor speedway, the guy walked away with only bruises but the car was absolutly demolished:
hoping this links work
[IMG]http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/bg/08/22/mharmon_crash/huge-crash_xl.jpg[/IMG]
mark
| johnfelstead | 08-22-2002 04:37 PM |
errrrm, thats the second time that gate has been left unlocked and has caused a major crash.
Maybe they get confused with the Rodeo? :lol:
What a lucky SOB!
Maybe they get confused with the Rodeo? :lol:
What a lucky SOB!
| Achilles38WRX | 08-22-2002 05:04 PM |
yeah i believe it was michael waltrip back in the late 80's who hit the fence and had is car burst into pieces, both very lucky gentelmen!
mark
mark
| WagonMonster | 08-22-2002 05:08 PM |
"what do you mean this isn't the beer stand?"
Whoops
Natural Selection hard at work
:lol:
Whoops
Natural Selection hard at work
:lol:
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-23-2002 11:45 AM |
How is that natural selection? Looks like just a racing accident to me. I don't think he was responsible for leaving the gate unlatched.
| johnfelstead | 08-23-2002 11:58 AM |
you having a bad day Fred? ;):lol:
| OAKOS Automotive | 08-23-2002 12:01 PM |
:eek: :eek:
I just saw the crash replayed on TV and HOLY COW! That driver is SO lucky, I can't believe the luck that guy has. Not only did he survive one unbelievable impact but when he was hit by the other car after his own car had been sliced in two he was missed by a very small amount. He was totally unprotected and had that other car struck him he would have been horribly injured or most likely killed.
I can't believe the negligence on the part of NASCAR! For the gate to be forgotten twice is simply unaccepable!
I remember last year after DE was killed there was a NASCAR official on TV talking about how they were considering using computers to aid in the design of the crash structure of the cars. What, they don't do that already?!? And there was a lot of negative talk about using dataloggers to record and analyze bad crashes because the teams may use them for traction control. Wouldn't it be pretty obvious if the datalogger had a few wires running to the MSD ignition box? How hard would it be to put a black box in each car that is completely sealed and controlled by the NASCAR officials? Not very. :rolleyes:
NASCAR needs to remove their heads from their arses before someone else is needlessly killed or maimed by their complete incompetence.
Sincerely,
David Kearney
Oakos Automotive
[url]www.oakos.com[/url]
[[email protected]][email protected][/EMAIL]
I just saw the crash replayed on TV and HOLY COW! That driver is SO lucky, I can't believe the luck that guy has. Not only did he survive one unbelievable impact but when he was hit by the other car after his own car had been sliced in two he was missed by a very small amount. He was totally unprotected and had that other car struck him he would have been horribly injured or most likely killed.
I can't believe the negligence on the part of NASCAR! For the gate to be forgotten twice is simply unaccepable!
I remember last year after DE was killed there was a NASCAR official on TV talking about how they were considering using computers to aid in the design of the crash structure of the cars. What, they don't do that already?!? And there was a lot of negative talk about using dataloggers to record and analyze bad crashes because the teams may use them for traction control. Wouldn't it be pretty obvious if the datalogger had a few wires running to the MSD ignition box? How hard would it be to put a black box in each car that is completely sealed and controlled by the NASCAR officials? Not very. :rolleyes:
NASCAR needs to remove their heads from their arses before someone else is needlessly killed or maimed by their complete incompetence.
Sincerely,
David Kearney
Oakos Automotive
[url]www.oakos.com[/url]
[[email protected]][email protected][/EMAIL]
| KC | 08-23-2002 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]How is that natural selection? Looks like just a racing accident to me. I don't think he was responsible for leaving the gate unlatched. [/B][/QUOTE]What's he doing hitting it in the 1st place? :D
Is that how they check to see if they're locked? :lol:
--kC
[B]How is that natural selection? Looks like just a racing accident to me. I don't think he was responsible for leaving the gate unlatched. [/B][/QUOTE]What's he doing hitting it in the 1st place? :D
Is that how they check to see if they're locked? :lol:
--kC
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-23-2002 12:20 PM |
They should just fire the guy responsible for keeping the gate latched.
No John I'm not having a bad day, I just get kind of sick of people around here always picking on NASCAR. It's still auto racing. And beleive it or not some of the drivers are not inbred retards who are married to their sisters. :lol:
Fred
[SIZE=1]Huge Bill Elliot fan![/SIZE]
No John I'm not having a bad day, I just get kind of sick of people around here always picking on NASCAR. It's still auto racing. And beleive it or not some of the drivers are not inbred retards who are married to their sisters. :lol:
Fred
[SIZE=1]Huge Bill Elliot fan![/SIZE]
| Jaxx | 08-23-2002 02:50 PM |
[quote]They should just fire the guy responsible for keeping the gate latched[/quote]
woo like that will solve the proublem...
how about not having a gate .. or perhaps having a security protocol that check the gate befor releasing the cars to the track
i am sorry its not just the drivers that are backwoods fools it is the orginzers and sanctioning body as well....
yes it was natural selection...
woo like that will solve the proublem...
how about not having a gate .. or perhaps having a security protocol that check the gate befor releasing the cars to the track
i am sorry its not just the drivers that are backwoods fools it is the orginzers and sanctioning body as well....
yes it was natural selection...
| Achilles38WRX | 08-23-2002 04:20 PM |
nascar is not responsible for leaving the gate unlocked, that responisbility lies with the track. unlike most other forms of pro racing, the saftey crews and such are not controlled or supplied by nascar, but are supplied by the track. yes, i think its the wrong way to go about it (obviously, mistakes like this are allowed to happen), but thats how its done.
i belive the gate should be moved, so its not on the EXIT of a turn, i think the gate should be at the entrance of a turn if anything. the sad part is, this is the second time this has happened, as we mentioned earlier, and it looks like it will take a death for nascar to tell the owner of bristol motor speedway to make changes.
they will not boycott the track, every race sells out at the place because the action is constant, and the racing is close and competitve.
mark
i belive the gate should be moved, so its not on the EXIT of a turn, i think the gate should be at the entrance of a turn if anything. the sad part is, this is the second time this has happened, as we mentioned earlier, and it looks like it will take a death for nascar to tell the owner of bristol motor speedway to make changes.
they will not boycott the track, every race sells out at the place because the action is constant, and the racing is close and competitve.
mark
| Fitz | 08-23-2002 04:55 PM |
Poke-y-yoke time... stage 1 solution needed. I'm thinking Allen Bradley Slick 500 with a proximity sensor on the latch... keyed either to a loudspeaker..or even better.. keyed to the indicator lights on the track. It'd be a pretty simple circuit. If the prox bit isn't high, the light won't turn green....
****, even cheaper than that would be a simple CTC controller with a prox. We're talking less than $1k to purchase and integrate.
Fitz
****, even cheaper than that would be a simple CTC controller with a prox. We're talking less than $1k to purchase and integrate.
Fitz
| johnfelstead | 08-23-2002 05:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]And beleive it or not some of the drivers are not inbred retards who are married to their sisters. :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Can you prove that Fred? :D:lol:
[B]And beleive it or not some of the drivers are not inbred retards who are married to their sisters. :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Can you prove that Fred? :D:lol:
| grumbly | 08-23-2002 05:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Achilles38WRX [/i]
[B]nascar is not responsible for leaving the gate unlocked, that responisbility lies with the track. unlike most other forms of pro racing, the saftey crews and such are not controlled or supplied by nascar, but are supplied by the track. yes, i think its the wrong way to go about it (obviously, mistakes like this are allowed to happen), but thats how its done.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok but what about the safety steward or race control? I sure hope they are NASCAR. They are the one ultimately responsible for the condition of the track. Yes some local corner worker might have forgotten to buttress the gate but it all boils up to NASCAR for opening the track when it was in an unsafe condition. Im almost surprised that it's not someone's job to watch that gate.
I totally agree with you about moving that gate though. That would be the ultimate correct solution.
Also a note about the "natural selection" comment. You all honestly think it's a good thing that someone almost died in an auto racing accident? I cant really say I like NASCAR but to call a possibly life ending accident "natural selection" only because you don't like the venue of racing is pretty cold blooded. Maybe Solberg will lose a wheel causing him to go side ways into a tree and loose his legs as a result during the rally Germany. Opps! Natural Selection! :rolleyes:
[B]nascar is not responsible for leaving the gate unlocked, that responisbility lies with the track. unlike most other forms of pro racing, the saftey crews and such are not controlled or supplied by nascar, but are supplied by the track. yes, i think its the wrong way to go about it (obviously, mistakes like this are allowed to happen), but thats how its done.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok but what about the safety steward or race control? I sure hope they are NASCAR. They are the one ultimately responsible for the condition of the track. Yes some local corner worker might have forgotten to buttress the gate but it all boils up to NASCAR for opening the track when it was in an unsafe condition. Im almost surprised that it's not someone's job to watch that gate.
I totally agree with you about moving that gate though. That would be the ultimate correct solution.
Also a note about the "natural selection" comment. You all honestly think it's a good thing that someone almost died in an auto racing accident? I cant really say I like NASCAR but to call a possibly life ending accident "natural selection" only because you don't like the venue of racing is pretty cold blooded. Maybe Solberg will lose a wheel causing him to go side ways into a tree and loose his legs as a result during the rally Germany. Opps! Natural Selection! :rolleyes:
| Patrick Olsen | 08-23-2002 06:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grumbly [/i]
[B]Also a note about the "natural selection" comment. You all honestly think it's a good thing that someone almost died in an auto racing accident? I cant really say I like NASCAR but to call a possibly life ending accident "natural selection" only because you don't like the venue of racing is pretty cold blooded. Maybe Solberg will lose a wheel causing him to go side ways into a tree and loose his legs as a result during the rally Germany. Oops! Natural Selection! :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I couldn't have said it any better, grumbly.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
[B]Also a note about the "natural selection" comment. You all honestly think it's a good thing that someone almost died in an auto racing accident? I cant really say I like NASCAR but to call a possibly life ending accident "natural selection" only because you don't like the venue of racing is pretty cold blooded. Maybe Solberg will lose a wheel causing him to go side ways into a tree and loose his legs as a result during the rally Germany. Oops! Natural Selection! :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I couldn't have said it any better, grumbly.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| johnfelstead | 08-23-2002 08:11 PM |
I could! There is no need to write stuff like that about Petter, or anyone for that matter, just to get your point accross.
I find that very offensive.
I find that very offensive.
| 8Complex | 08-23-2002 09:51 PM |
What are you ninnies arguing about?
Whoever claims it to be natural selection is a moron. If you agree with him, you're still wrong.
End of story.
Just because Nascar gets all the attention in the world, draws a ton of cash, and gets unbelievably sized crowds doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve any respect. They are drivers, and they have a LOT of skill just to be there -- especially considering that a good 50% of the skills they need, they DON'T acquire on the street (think that rally drivers drive best in their own countries just because? :rolleyes: ).
You guys keep this up and we'll see to it that rallying is slandered and that drag racing is talked about only in this forum. :p
Whoever claims it to be natural selection is a moron. If you agree with him, you're still wrong.
End of story.
Just because Nascar gets all the attention in the world, draws a ton of cash, and gets unbelievably sized crowds doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve any respect. They are drivers, and they have a LOT of skill just to be there -- especially considering that a good 50% of the skills they need, they DON'T acquire on the street (think that rally drivers drive best in their own countries just because? :rolleyes: ).
You guys keep this up and we'll see to it that rallying is slandered and that drag racing is talked about only in this forum. :p
| tt_ttf | 08-24-2002 02:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 8Complex [/i]
[B]
They are drivers, and they have a LOT of skill just to be there -- especially considering that a good 50% of the skills they need, they DON'T acquire on the street (think that rally drivers drive best in their own countries just because? :rolleyes: ).
[/B][/QUOTE]
You are mistaken if you think NASCAR drivers are that good.
Put most of these guys in a WRC or F1 car and they would be out of their league
As for why the fins are so good at rallying....well yes the fact they have a national program to develop talents helps but they spend a lot of time driving in very very bad conditions
I'll bet you would find that the average skill of a scandianvian driver is better than the US for the same reason
[B]
They are drivers, and they have a LOT of skill just to be there -- especially considering that a good 50% of the skills they need, they DON'T acquire on the street (think that rally drivers drive best in their own countries just because? :rolleyes: ).
[/B][/QUOTE]
You are mistaken if you think NASCAR drivers are that good.
Put most of these guys in a WRC or F1 car and they would be out of their league
As for why the fins are so good at rallying....well yes the fact they have a national program to develop talents helps but they spend a lot of time driving in very very bad conditions
I'll bet you would find that the average skill of a scandianvian driver is better than the US for the same reason
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-24-2002 04:05 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fitz [/i]
[B]Poke-y-yoke time... stage 1 solution needed. I'm thinking Allen Bradley Slick 500 with a proximity sensor on the latch... keyed either to a loudspeaker..or even better.. keyed to the indicator lights on the track. It'd be a pretty simple circuit. If the prox bit isn't high, the light won't turn green....
****, even cheaper than that would be a simple CTC controller with a prox. We're talking less than $1k to purchase and integrate.
Fitz [/B][/QUOTE]
I can do it! I'm a controls engineer for a machine tool company. I'm well versed in the SLC 500. I would use a redundant system with a safety relay tied to a locking safety switch for the hardware end of things.
Thanks for backing me up guys on this NOT being a case of natural selection.
And grumbly, if something bad happens to Petter now (God forbid) we are holding you personally responsible for the bad karma.
:monkey:
[B]Poke-y-yoke time... stage 1 solution needed. I'm thinking Allen Bradley Slick 500 with a proximity sensor on the latch... keyed either to a loudspeaker..or even better.. keyed to the indicator lights on the track. It'd be a pretty simple circuit. If the prox bit isn't high, the light won't turn green....
****, even cheaper than that would be a simple CTC controller with a prox. We're talking less than $1k to purchase and integrate.
Fitz [/B][/QUOTE]
I can do it! I'm a controls engineer for a machine tool company. I'm well versed in the SLC 500. I would use a redundant system with a safety relay tied to a locking safety switch for the hardware end of things.
Thanks for backing me up guys on this NOT being a case of natural selection.
And grumbly, if something bad happens to Petter now (God forbid) we are holding you personally responsible for the bad karma.
:monkey:
| Patrick Olsen | 08-24-2002 07:20 PM |
Well, it would serve him right for driving way too fast on public roads. Natural selection and all that...
:rolleyes:
Pat
:rolleyes:
Pat
| 666BPM | 08-25-2002 01:58 AM |
Does anyone have a link to a streaming video of this?
| grumbly | 08-25-2002 04:15 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]I could! There is no need to write stuff like that about Petter, or anyone for that matter, just to get your point accross.
I find that very offensive. [/B][/QUOTE]
And I find it offensive that Mike Harmon was thought better off as dead. I explicitly chose Solberg as my example to drive home because he is a golden boy loved by all. Maybe Alex Zanardi would have been a better example?
The point being made is that there needs to be a distinction made between dislike of an organization and dislike for a driver. NASCAR I think of as a piss poor racing venue. Having this same type of crash happen [i]twice[/i] on their watch is totally inexcusable and is more then enough grounds to wish them swift returns from Mr. Darwin. Mike Harmon on the other hand is a lucky SOB and by all means should be in the bar buying shots for his chassis designer. That boy should go out and buy lottery tickets.
John I wish [b]NO[/b] driver to come to any harm. It is always a terrible thing when there is a crash on track and its everyones hope that all the safety measures work to protect the life of the driver. The idea should always be that each and every accident should be a chance to learn something more about crash dynamics and how to improve on safety. I also find it chilling that this is the second such accident in recent NASCAR history involving the exact same circumstances. There is an obvious and very simple lession being missed here and we can only hope some where internally to NASCAR this grievous safety issue will be resolved.
-chris
[edit.. fixed typo]
[B]I could! There is no need to write stuff like that about Petter, or anyone for that matter, just to get your point accross.
I find that very offensive. [/B][/QUOTE]
And I find it offensive that Mike Harmon was thought better off as dead. I explicitly chose Solberg as my example to drive home because he is a golden boy loved by all. Maybe Alex Zanardi would have been a better example?
The point being made is that there needs to be a distinction made between dislike of an organization and dislike for a driver. NASCAR I think of as a piss poor racing venue. Having this same type of crash happen [i]twice[/i] on their watch is totally inexcusable and is more then enough grounds to wish them swift returns from Mr. Darwin. Mike Harmon on the other hand is a lucky SOB and by all means should be in the bar buying shots for his chassis designer. That boy should go out and buy lottery tickets.
John I wish [b]NO[/b] driver to come to any harm. It is always a terrible thing when there is a crash on track and its everyones hope that all the safety measures work to protect the life of the driver. The idea should always be that each and every accident should be a chance to learn something more about crash dynamics and how to improve on safety. I also find it chilling that this is the second such accident in recent NASCAR history involving the exact same circumstances. There is an obvious and very simple lession being missed here and we can only hope some where internally to NASCAR this grievous safety issue will be resolved.
-chris
[edit.. fixed typo]
| Jaxx | 08-25-2002 12:50 PM |
i recall my natural selection comment .. if they guy that was suppose to close it had been standing next to it perhaps
how about making the owner of the track stand next to the gate ..
i am sure that would make things happen alot sooner
how about making the owner of the track stand next to the gate ..
i am sure that would make things happen alot sooner
| Opie | 08-26-2002 08:24 AM |
[QUOTE]How hard would it be to put a black box in each car that is completely sealed and controlled by the NASCAR officials? Not very. [/QUOTE]
These have been in place on the Busch and Winston Cup cars for several months already.
[QUOTE]You are mistaken if you think NASCAR drivers are that good.
Put most of these guys in a WRC or F1 car and they would be out of their league[/QUOTE]
The same as if you put WRC or F1 drivers in a NASCAR car, they would be out of their league. For 1 the F1 drivers would actually have to drive instead of electronics doing the driving for them, and even thought there are only left turns in Nascar, the WRC drivers wouldn't have a co-driver telling them to turn left. ;)
I really wish this anomosity between different motorsports franchises would stop.
These have been in place on the Busch and Winston Cup cars for several months already.
[QUOTE]You are mistaken if you think NASCAR drivers are that good.
Put most of these guys in a WRC or F1 car and they would be out of their league[/QUOTE]
The same as if you put WRC or F1 drivers in a NASCAR car, they would be out of their league. For 1 the F1 drivers would actually have to drive instead of electronics doing the driving for them, and even thought there are only left turns in Nascar, the WRC drivers wouldn't have a co-driver telling them to turn left. ;)
I really wish this anomosity between different motorsports franchises would stop.
| LordBass | 08-26-2002 12:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Opie [/i]
[B]I really wish this anomosity between different motorsports franchises would stop. [/B][/QUOTE]As things stand now it never will, thanfully, and I believe for good reason. One could write a book on the reasons why, but apart from the on-track bits, a big one for me is marketing. I can't stand the fact that I can't take a crap without using Officially Licensed NASCRAP toilet paper, that no driver is able to speak three words without throwing a sponsor name in there, and that everything is so dumbed down to a point where the actual racing barely matters.
When was the last time you heard M. Schumacher say "Marlboro", Montoya say "Compaq" or "HP", Burns say "Nicorette" or "TOTAL", or C McRae say anything but "if you kin ansah that, you kin ddlive!" Next time I see one of those damn Stacker 2 ads with that WWF (WWE?) chick my size 13 shoe is going thru the TV.
I could spend hours writing about this, but you get the idea. F1 & WRC (rally in general) come off as much more intelligent, and for the most part, more classy.
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
[B]I really wish this anomosity between different motorsports franchises would stop. [/B][/QUOTE]As things stand now it never will, thanfully, and I believe for good reason. One could write a book on the reasons why, but apart from the on-track bits, a big one for me is marketing. I can't stand the fact that I can't take a crap without using Officially Licensed NASCRAP toilet paper, that no driver is able to speak three words without throwing a sponsor name in there, and that everything is so dumbed down to a point where the actual racing barely matters.
When was the last time you heard M. Schumacher say "Marlboro", Montoya say "Compaq" or "HP", Burns say "Nicorette" or "TOTAL", or C McRae say anything but "if you kin ansah that, you kin ddlive!" Next time I see one of those damn Stacker 2 ads with that WWF (WWE?) chick my size 13 shoe is going thru the TV.
I could spend hours writing about this, but you get the idea. F1 & WRC (rally in general) come off as much more intelligent, and for the most part, more classy.
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| 8Complex | 08-26-2002 05:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Opie [/i]
[B]The same as if you put WRC or F1 drivers in a NASCAR car, they would be out of their league. For 1 the F1 drivers would actually have to drive instead of electronics doing the driving for them, and even thought there are only left turns in Nascar, the WRC drivers wouldn't have a co-driver telling them to turn left. ;)[/B][/QUOTE]
Thank you. I haven't gotten back to this thread until now and that is just my point. It's like asking a Drywaller to do masonry. They're both building a house, but it's two different trades/skills.
[B]The same as if you put WRC or F1 drivers in a NASCAR car, they would be out of their league. For 1 the F1 drivers would actually have to drive instead of electronics doing the driving for them, and even thought there are only left turns in Nascar, the WRC drivers wouldn't have a co-driver telling them to turn left. ;)[/B][/QUOTE]
Thank you. I haven't gotten back to this thread until now and that is just my point. It's like asking a Drywaller to do masonry. They're both building a house, but it's two different trades/skills.
| bullseye17 | 08-26-2002 08:58 PM |
and i suppose people being let allowed to stand .5ft away from cars going by at 140mph sideways in the dirt, midair even is safe?????? Racing is racing, there are different kinds and they are different types of drivers.. .they all are talented in thier own respects.
People get hurt in racing, people get hurt in hockey, and football, its part of the game. Im not saying that some lazy moron shouldnt have locked that gate.... but **** happens, and these guys know that.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grumbly [/i]
[B]
And I find it offensive that Mike Harmon was thought better off as dead. I explicitly chose Solberg as my example to drive home because he is a golden boy loved by all. Maybe Alex Zanardi would have been a better example?
The point being made is that there needs to be a distinction made between dislike of an organization and dislike for a driver. NASCAR I think of as a piss poor racing venue. Having this same type of crash happen [i]twice[/i] on their watch is totally inexcusable and is more then enough grounds to wish them swift returns from Mr. Darwin. Mike Harmon on the other hand is a lucky SOB and by all means should be in the bar buying shots for his chassis designer. That boy should go out and buy lottery tickets.
John I wish [b]NO[/b] driver to come to any harm. It is always a terrible thing when there is a crash on track and its everyones hope that all the safety measures work to protect the life of the driver. The idea should always be that each and every accident should be a chance to learn something more about crash dynamics and how to improve on safety. I also find it chilling that this is the second such accident in recent NASCAR history involving the exact same circumstances. There is an obvious and very simple lession being missed here and we can only hope some where internally to NASCAR this grievous safety issue will be resolved.
-chris
[edit.. fixed typo] [/B][/QUOTE]
People get hurt in racing, people get hurt in hockey, and football, its part of the game. Im not saying that some lazy moron shouldnt have locked that gate.... but **** happens, and these guys know that.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grumbly [/i]
[B]
And I find it offensive that Mike Harmon was thought better off as dead. I explicitly chose Solberg as my example to drive home because he is a golden boy loved by all. Maybe Alex Zanardi would have been a better example?
The point being made is that there needs to be a distinction made between dislike of an organization and dislike for a driver. NASCAR I think of as a piss poor racing venue. Having this same type of crash happen [i]twice[/i] on their watch is totally inexcusable and is more then enough grounds to wish them swift returns from Mr. Darwin. Mike Harmon on the other hand is a lucky SOB and by all means should be in the bar buying shots for his chassis designer. That boy should go out and buy lottery tickets.
John I wish [b]NO[/b] driver to come to any harm. It is always a terrible thing when there is a crash on track and its everyones hope that all the safety measures work to protect the life of the driver. The idea should always be that each and every accident should be a chance to learn something more about crash dynamics and how to improve on safety. I also find it chilling that this is the second such accident in recent NASCAR history involving the exact same circumstances. There is an obvious and very simple lession being missed here and we can only hope some where internally to NASCAR this grievous safety issue will be resolved.
-chris
[edit.. fixed typo] [/B][/QUOTE]
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-26-2002 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 8Complex [/i]
[B]
Thank you. I haven't gotten back to this thread until now and that is just my point. It's like asking a Drywaller to do masonry. They're both building a house, but it's two different trades/skills. [/B][/QUOTE]
And then the mason accidentally drops a brick on the drywaller's head and kills him. Hey, that's natural selection. :rolleyes: Stupid drywaller shouldn't have been walking there.
:rolleyes:
[B]
Thank you. I haven't gotten back to this thread until now and that is just my point. It's like asking a Drywaller to do masonry. They're both building a house, but it's two different trades/skills. [/B][/QUOTE]
And then the mason accidentally drops a brick on the drywaller's head and kills him. Hey, that's natural selection. :rolleyes: Stupid drywaller shouldn't have been walking there.
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| grumbly | 08-27-2002 02:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bullseye17 [/i]
[B]and i suppose people being let allowed to stand .5ft away from cars going by at 140mph sideways in the dirt, midair even is safe?????? Racing is racing, there are different kinds and they are different types of drivers.. .they all are talented in thier own respects.
People get hurt in racing, people get hurt in hockey, and football, its part of the game. Im not saying that some lazy moron shouldnt have locked that gate.... but **** happens, and these guys know that.
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So. Whats your point? No one claimed racing isnt dangerous.
[B]and i suppose people being let allowed to stand .5ft away from cars going by at 140mph sideways in the dirt, midair even is safe?????? Racing is racing, there are different kinds and they are different types of drivers.. .they all are talented in thier own respects.
People get hurt in racing, people get hurt in hockey, and football, its part of the game. Im not saying that some lazy moron shouldnt have locked that gate.... but **** happens, and these guys know that.
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So. Whats your point? No one claimed racing isnt dangerous.
| Subie Gal | 08-27-2002 09:57 AM |
erm... i dont really see a need for this thread to continue.
hey you guys wanna flame each other over an accident that nearly killed someone? do it via email... the rest of us dont care to read it....
(and fwiw... there should be NO GATE.
they should eliminate it as they have "another" gate entrance at Bristol that they use now.... that gent is very, very lucky indeed.)
end of discussion erm... flaming... erm... laming.... enough.
Jamie
hey you guys wanna flame each other over an accident that nearly killed someone? do it via email... the rest of us dont care to read it....
(and fwiw... there should be NO GATE.
they should eliminate it as they have "another" gate entrance at Bristol that they use now.... that gent is very, very lucky indeed.)
end of discussion erm... flaming... erm... laming.... enough.
Jamie
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