| neuspeed | 08-31-2005 10:44 AM |
06 WRX & DS?
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Well for the MY2006 WRX how well would it fair in DS? Against a Mini Cooper S(has a LSD that's a factory optinos now). The ever so classic Type R, Previous (02-05WRX)-we know that the 06>that, and a SRT4 ACR(competiton prep package- has tokico's and better sways, with 16x7 tires).
| dwx | 08-31-2005 11:14 AM |
This has come up a few times, but I think it will be much more competitive than the previous years models. You are still camber limited in the front, but the new car has almost no lag, much better throttle response, better brakes. You can negate the increased gearing with 245/40/17 tires. I've been contemplating getting a TR and trying to run it in DS.
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-31-2005 11:16 AM |
On paper it seems like it could be a contender regionally. Not sure about national events at this point. We'll have to wait for someone to prep one and run it. Aside from Tom Hoppe and Keith Casey nobody was particularly fast in the WRX. I did well with my WRX in Phila, Susquehanna, and NJ but I bailed and bought a Type R. Most of what was wrong with the WRX has been potentially fixed with the 06. Very little lag, better brakes, better wheels, light weight suspension bits. It appears that you can fit 245/35-17's up front and 225/40-17's in the rear and have the same rolling diameter. Fit the Strano 32mm bar up front and some re-valved Koni's and you may have a winner.
Dave
Dave
| neuspeed | 08-31-2005 11:40 AM |
But in STU level who holds the trophy? STi, Evo, or WRX?
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-31-2005 05:18 PM |
I suspect the STi will get the nod of the 3 in STU, IF it is set up properly. If not the Evo will take it(of the 3 mentioned). Well have to see the new WRX run before we can say any further. As far as Nationals this year I think Mike Neary will take the 1st trophy for STU. Mike is quick in his Bimmer.
Dave
Dave
| neuspeed | 09-01-2005 12:50 AM |
But when gearing is thought of the new WRX can do redline @ 65 in 2nd which is pretty good for an AX course. And it has no boost lag like an evo. But power otta the hole might be a problem.
| Scoobie Doogie | 09-01-2005 07:43 AM |
Well have to wait and see how the WRX does. The torque is decent but it is no STi. I don't think it will have a problem on launch if done correctly.
Dave
Dave
| Scooby Freak | 09-01-2005 10:11 AM |
[QUOTE=neuspeed]in DS? Against a Mini Cooper S.[/QUOTE]
Did I miss something? I also think it shouldn't be in GS, but I haven't seen any sign of that changing.
Did I miss something? I also think it shouldn't be in GS, but I haven't seen any sign of that changing.
| Scoobie Doogie | 09-01-2005 10:17 AM |
No sign of it changing, yet. We really need to wait until later when SCCA does classing post Nationals. Many of us suspect that the MCS will end up in DS; it is all still speculation at this point.
Dave
Dave
| jcroy66 | 09-01-2005 10:47 AM |
I would be very surprised if the 05+ MCS stays in GS after this year. I would not be surprised to see them either move to DS or move to an even higher class, given the Works version coming out. Andy Hollis has stated that the SEB is very reluctant to classify the normal 06+ MCS in a different class than the Works version, given that the Works version is a line-item option, not a different model.
| neuspeed | 09-01-2005 11:36 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]I would be very surprised if the 05+ MCS stays in GS after this year. I would not be surprised to see them either move to DS or move to an even higher class, given the Works version coming out. Andy Hollis has stated that the SEB is very reluctant to classify the normal 06+ MCS in a different class than the Works version, given that the Works version is a line-item option, not a different model.[/QUOTE]
Well why not then keep the MS protege in the same class as the 05+ MCS (w/LSD)? They do run well against each other
Well why not then keep the MS protege in the same class as the 05+ MCS (w/LSD)? They do run well against each other
| TheWRX | 09-01-2005 12:15 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]It appears that you can fit 245/35-17's up front and 225/40-17's in the rear and have the same rolling diameter.[/QUOTE]
And where do you find competitive R-compounds in those sizes? The closest you can find are the 245/40-17 and 225/45-17 Hoosiers. With V710's, you have to go to a larger diameter, probably the 245/45-17, the 275/40-17 would probably be a very difficult fit on a stock car. Hopefully the 245/40-17 V710 will become available next year.
And where do you find competitive R-compounds in those sizes? The closest you can find are the 245/40-17 and 225/45-17 Hoosiers. With V710's, you have to go to a larger diameter, probably the 245/45-17, the 275/40-17 would probably be a very difficult fit on a stock car. Hopefully the 245/40-17 V710 will become available next year.
| dwx | 09-01-2005 01:21 PM |
I think 245/40/17 would be the tire of choice on the car currently. It would be nice if they made a V710 in that size. 245/45/17 is just too tall for a car with already tall gearing.
As for the WRX versus the STI/EVO in STU, it doesn't have a chance against those two cars imho. Power isn't everything in autocross, but when you are down that much hp/tq from the getgo it does make a difference. With the 2.5, more power, and open front diff, the WRX would be a wheelspin machine which the EVO/STI are not.
As for the WRX versus the STI/EVO in STU, it doesn't have a chance against those two cars imho. Power isn't everything in autocross, but when you are down that much hp/tq from the getgo it does make a difference. With the 2.5, more power, and open front diff, the WRX would be a wheelspin machine which the EVO/STI are not.
| neuspeed | 09-01-2005 05:05 PM |
Not even a limited slip for the front end could give the WRX a chance? (in STU)?
| TheWRX | 09-02-2005 01:16 AM |
[QUOTE=neuspeed]Not even a limited slip for the front end could give the WRX a chance? (in STU)?[/QUOTE]
You can't modify/replace diffs on an AWD car in STU.
You can't modify/replace diffs on an AWD car in STU.
| neuspeed | 09-02-2005 01:22 AM |
O/T question but why doesn't the 2003 Evolution run in STX in ST trim? 03/04 Evoltutions have an open front and center diff like the WRX and is under the 2.0 displacement?
| TheWRX | 09-02-2005 08:31 AM |
[QUOTE=neuspeed]O/T question but why doesn't the 2003 Evolution run in STX in ST trim?[/QUOTE]
They were excluded. As far as I remember, that happened even before their US availability was officially announced. The SEB probably expected it to be an overdog in a currently healthy class with many different competitive cars. And I think they were right, the Evo would be an STX killer.
They were excluded. As far as I remember, that happened even before their US availability was officially announced. The SEB probably expected it to be an overdog in a currently healthy class with many different competitive cars. And I think they were right, the Evo would be an STX killer.
| KC | 09-02-2005 08:43 AM |
[QUOTE=TheWRX]They were excluded. As far as I remember, that happened even before their US availability was officially announced. The SEB probably expected it to be an overdog in a currently healthy class with many different competitive cars. And I think they were right, the Evo would be an STX killer.[/QUOTE]
Correct.
As far as the WRX in DS... it'll be a good fit I believe.
Where it will shine is the ProSolos... nothing like an AWD launch to get a head start. For Solo-II it would be course dependant... but I think the WRX will also be able to take the MCS.... but would be close with the JCW 'option'.
It would need a good set of Konis, some decent tires, and a good driver.
--kC
Correct.
As far as the WRX in DS... it'll be a good fit I believe.
Where it will shine is the ProSolos... nothing like an AWD launch to get a head start. For Solo-II it would be course dependant... but I think the WRX will also be able to take the MCS.... but would be close with the JCW 'option'.
It would need a good set of Konis, some decent tires, and a good driver.
--kC
| neuspeed | 09-02-2005 11:45 AM |
But the MCS now gets the LSD in the front as an option...
| ratt_finkel | 09-02-2005 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=neuspeed]But the MCS now gets the LSD in the front as an option...[/QUOTE]
Yes, and it's good and could probably take an 02-05 WRX. But I think will be outclassed by the "new" wrx.
Yes, and it's good and could probably take an 02-05 WRX. But I think will be outclassed by the "new" wrx.
| PKer | 09-02-2005 12:54 PM |
The new bimmer 330 is the next DS car. The ITR guys are scared.
| ratt_finkel | 09-02-2005 12:56 PM |
[QUOTE=PKer]The new bimmer 330 is the next DS car. The ITR guys are scared.[/QUOTE]
DS, will be fun to watch next year, no doubt.
DS, will be fun to watch next year, no doubt.
| DrBiggly | 09-02-2005 01:15 PM |
[QUOTE=PKer]The new bimmer 330 is the next DS car. The ITR guys are scared.[/QUOTE]
Apparently 275s will fit the new 330. :eek:
Apparently 275s will fit the new 330. :eek:
| neuspeed | 09-02-2005 01:17 PM |
Didn't some guys already do a 285 in the back :eek:
| ratt_finkel | 09-02-2005 03:00 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Apparently 275s will fit the new 330. :eek:[/QUOTE]
They will fit on the "old" models as well.
They will fit on the "old" models as well.
| Scoobie Doogie | 09-02-2005 07:08 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Yes, and it's good and could probably take an 02-05 WRX. But I think will be outclassed by the "new" wrx.[/QUOTE]
There is NO doubt that the MCS will take the 02-05 WRX. Heck the MCS is competitive with the ITR as it is right now. My concern is the fact that the JCW package is an option for the MCS from the factory and would most likely not be separated as it is an option package. (I pulled this from the SCCA Forums) It will be interesting to see how this all works out. I LOVE my ITR but I will drop that mutha in a minute if it proves to be un-competitive next year; the insurance is too damn expensive for a WRX and an ITR. I've been eyeballing the 330i and the new WRX. I need to drive the scooby as soon as one is available; already drove the 330i and it's sweet. :devil:
Dave
ITR guy who is skeered of the new 330 :eek: :eek:
There is NO doubt that the MCS will take the 02-05 WRX. Heck the MCS is competitive with the ITR as it is right now. My concern is the fact that the JCW package is an option for the MCS from the factory and would most likely not be separated as it is an option package. (I pulled this from the SCCA Forums) It will be interesting to see how this all works out. I LOVE my ITR but I will drop that mutha in a minute if it proves to be un-competitive next year; the insurance is too damn expensive for a WRX and an ITR. I've been eyeballing the 330i and the new WRX. I need to drive the scooby as soon as one is available; already drove the 330i and it's sweet. :devil:
Dave
ITR guy who is skeered of the new 330 :eek: :eek:
| neuspeed | 09-03-2005 04:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]There is NO doubt that the MCS will take the 02-05 WRX. Heck the MCS is competitive with the ITR as it is right now. My concern is the fact that the JCW package is an option for the MCS from the factory and would most likely not be separated as it is an option package. (I pulled this from the SCCA Forums) It will be interesting to see how this all works out. I LOVE my ITR but I will drop that mutha in a minute if it proves to be un-competitive next year; the insurance is too damn expensive for a WRX and an ITR. I've been eyeballing the 330i and the new WRX. I need to drive the scooby as soon as one is available; already drove the 330i and it's sweet. :devil:
Dave
ITR guy who is skeered of the new 330 :eek: :eek:[/QUOTE]
But still the WRX has a negative camber problem so the ITR is still :devil:
Dave
ITR guy who is skeered of the new 330 :eek: :eek:[/QUOTE]
But still the WRX has a negative camber problem so the ITR is still :devil:
| Corn-Picker | 09-03-2005 05:41 PM |
[QUOTE=neuspeed]But still the WRX has a negative camber problem so the ITR is still :devil:[/QUOTE]
The Imprezas don't have a negative camber problem, unless you want to go around a corner :lol:
The Imprezas don't have a negative camber problem, unless you want to go around a corner :lol:
| Butt Dyno | 09-03-2005 06:57 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]
Where it will shine is the ProSolos... nothing like an AWD launch to get a head start. For Solo-II it would be course dependant... but I think the WRX will also be able to take the MCS.... but would be close with the JCW 'option'. [/QUOTE]
I thought the JCW automatically went to some SP class? But I don't read all the Fastracks religiously..
Where it will shine is the ProSolos... nothing like an AWD launch to get a head start. For Solo-II it would be course dependant... but I think the WRX will also be able to take the MCS.... but would be close with the JCW 'option'. [/QUOTE]
I thought the JCW automatically went to some SP class? But I don't read all the Fastracks religiously..
| KC | 09-03-2005 07:10 PM |
The JCW 'edition' that exists right now is in SP... ASP.
Since MINI is having it as a factory line option with full factory/warranty support for '06, the MCS with the JCW 'option' will be classed someplace in Stock for '06.
The questions are:
1) Will a JCW optioned MCS be in the same class as the MCS?
2) If not, what class will they be in. The 'MCS' is being considered for DS... but there's little talk about the JCW.
--kC
Since MINI is having it as a factory line option with full factory/warranty support for '06, the MCS with the JCW 'option' will be classed someplace in Stock for '06.
The questions are:
1) Will a JCW optioned MCS be in the same class as the MCS?
2) If not, what class will they be in. The 'MCS' is being considered for DS... but there's little talk about the JCW.
--kC
| neuspeed | 09-03-2005 08:04 PM |
Hmnn mini's have front camber adjustment, its in the front subframe bolts.. and saftey is just :devil: in the mini [IMG]http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/gallery/data/500/18922mini_rollover_1-med.jpg[/IMG] ...BTW that was in a roll over look at the damage almost nada :eek:
| Student Driver | 09-04-2005 08:47 PM |
Hmm, a co-worker rolled his trying to avoid a hay bale (no, seriously...) and completely destroyed the car. In the process, no airbags went off and the roof collapsed on the driver's side. While he did survive it, and has another on order (even bought a '68 in the mean time) he was a bit "confused" as to why his tire came off the rim, causing the roll, and why no airbags went off.
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