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gauges in the cig lighter area part 1

xazzu 01-11-2007 01:15 PM

gauges in the cig lighter area
I've only seen mention of this in one thread (I think it was the huge DIY thread) - has anyone done it? I know that area's a bit low, but it'd be a good place to mount ones you don't check 24/7.

I was considering relocating the cig lighter (seen it in pics, still can't find that DIY, but I doubt it's that hard - cut a hole wherever you want it and move the lighter) and putting two gauges there. you'd have to fabricate some sort of holder, and the best looking IMO would be a recessed bracket painted to match the dash with two cylinders angled towards the driver. you could always leave the cig lighter and just mount one gauge, and/or leave the door on there to hide them when you're not watching them too.

anything I fabricate comes out to look like a 5 year-old child's art project, so I'm not about to attempt that part, just throwing the idea out there since I hadn't seen it yet.
kicking1012003 01-11-2007 01:24 PM

My car right now has them. But the previous owner put them in. You'd have to ask him how he did it. His sn is rayn4eleven. If you go down to the photostrip near the bottom, it's the 13th pic in. That would give you some idea. [URL]http://www.tunerzine.com/articles.asp?id=172[/URL]
~matt
2.5 SUBY 01-11-2007 02:05 PM

wwwooowwww you bought that car ^^^

but yea.. I would first make a template on where you want them.. lay it over the area.. grow some testies haha.. and cut.. just take your time
xazzu 01-11-2007 02:09 PM

[quote=2.5 SUBY;16627370].. grow some testies haha..[/quote]

Cute :) I'm not afraid to DIY, I just want it to look OEM/professional. It's like having someone who's never welded before set you up with a new header - you just don't do that.

All these parts that companies make for the gauge bezel, the A pillar, and the clock pod, and nothing for a perfectly good place for less inconspicious gauges.
Mayor McCheese 01-11-2007 02:23 PM

[QUOTE=xazzu;16627431]Cute :) I'm not afraid to DIY, I just want it to look OEM/professional. It's like having someone who's never welded before set you up with a new header - you just don't do that.

All these parts that companies make for the gauge bezel, the A pillar, and the clock pod, and nothing for a perfectly good place for less inconspicious gauges.[/QUOTE]

I don't think a "pod" would look half as good as the ones that are custom molded. I think its a great idea though, just have some apprehensions on how it would look. Go for it and keep us posted:D
khail19 01-11-2007 03:30 PM

You'll have to excuse the picture quality, my camera sucked when I took this. This is a very old pic from when I first bought my car, but you can see the general idea. I actually cut the little tray part off of the stock trim panel and replaced it with a flat piece of ABS plastic. Didn't change the actual lighter or ash tray at all. I now have VDO gauges, other than that it's still the same now.

[IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=47421&d=1034580777[/IMG]
Mayor McCheese 01-11-2007 04:16 PM

That looks great Khail:)
khail19 01-11-2007 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Rexor;16629672]That looks great Khail:)[/QUOTE]

Thanks man, maybe tonight I'll take some new pics. New gauges and a new camera deserve new pics, right? :D
whataboutno 01-11-2007 07:12 PM

here's mine

[URL=http://server5.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=IM001204.jpg][IMG]http://images5.theimagehosting.com/IM001204.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
wrxtasy555 01-11-2007 07:15 PM

Here's mine:

[URL="http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/"]gauge_bezel/[/URL]

I posted this in the DIY thread a little bit ago. I think I could have taken more time with the paint but I started getting impatient driving around without a shift knob.
xazzu 01-11-2007 09:58 PM

[quote=wrxtasy555;16632065]Here's mine:

[URL="http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/"]gauge_bezel/[/URL]

I posted this in the DIY thread a little bit ago. I think I could have taken more time with the paint but I started getting impatient driving around without a shift knob.[/quote]

that's the one I saw in the DIY thread, best one I've seen IMO. do you still happen to have the dimentions on that?
skate enjoi 01-11-2007 10:25 PM

i might have to try this... anyone have an extra one of those dash pieces? anyone want to donate
Matt92530 01-11-2007 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=wrxtasy555;16632065]Here's mine:

[URL="http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/"]gauge_bezel/[/URL]

I posted this in the DIY thread a little bit ago. I think I could have taken more time with the paint but I started getting impatient driving around without a shift knob.[/QUOTE]

So I got to ask, whats the RCA's for?
PinnacleChronos 01-11-2007 10:40 PM

whats the point of it down there, you won't ever look there while you're driving
kicking1012003 01-11-2007 10:46 PM

[quote=PinnacleChronos;16634497]whats the point of it down there, you won't ever look there while you're driving[/quote]
You do if you have gauges there...;) :banana: lol
wrxtasy555 01-11-2007 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=xazzu;16633988]that's the one I saw in the DIY thread, best one I've seen IMO. do you still happen to have the dimentions on that?[/QUOTE]

Thanks. The first time I saw it I decided I had to do it.

Ok, first off I need to mention that this was not my idea, but I did make it myself. Some really good information and other pictures, as well as a list of materials used for the gauges can be found here:

[URL="http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/forums/showthread.php?t=10697"]http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/forums/showthread.php?t=10697[/URL]

I don't have any dimension right here, but when I get a chance I can get some rough measurements for you. I am trying to get someone to manufacture these but no one has gotten back to me.

[QUOTE=skate enjoi] i might have to try this... anyone have an extra one of those dash pieces? anyone want to donate[/QUOTE]

There are no dash pieces that need to be modified to do this. It actually uses the stock screws from where the ashtray/cig outlet screw onto the shifter surround. I started with two pieces of rectangular polycarbonate (about 1/4 think). Looking back I really don't suggest using the polycarbonate. While it may be strong and easy to grind down into shape and the epoxy works great on it, it was brittle. I f'ed up my first one because, and you'll see if you look at the bezel without gauges in them, the holes have to be drilled so close to the edge. This weakened the plastic and it snapped. I may have been rushing though, but still. It also makes a huge mess so I don't recommend doing it in the kitchen like I did (no garage).

Now, eventhough you don't actually mess with any dash pieces you will still need to take the shifter surround in and out to make sure it fits. Any part that I mod I always buy a second piece just in case I screw up and so that I have a stock piece when I get rid of it. When I went to get the shifter surround I was told that it wasn't sold separately (at least not for the Forester but i'm almost certain that it's the same piece for all models. If it's not please let me know) and you have to buy it as a package including the shifter boot AND ashtray, cig adapter, etc and costs $160. Well I didn't get it and I just mad damn sure I was careful. Like I said I buy secondary parts and I didn't want to use vampire clips on the stock harness so I went to buy another harness and of course couldn't buy it separately. It was about $25 and I had to buy the whole ashtray assembly. It was worth it to me as I like using the stock harness for plug n play.

[QUOTE=Matt92530]So I got to ask, whats the RCA's for?[/QUOTE]

I have an Eclipse AVN5435 Nav head unit with A/V inputs.

[QUOTE=PinnacleChronos]whats the point of it down there, you won't ever look there while you're driving[/QUOTE]

The point is to have gauges in a less pronounced area than like, say, the a-pillar. I wanted to have the ability to monitor the oil pressure and temp without looking ricey. Plus I don't know anyone that stares at the oil temp or pressure gauge. It's there because I would only glance at it from time to time. The sender I have can also be hooked up to a warning light that I might install at a later date. Pinnacle is right though. It is nowhere near my line of sight and so I would not recommend installing a more critical gauge like a boost gauge or EGT. But I think it is a...ummmm... classier spot to put a less critical gauge such as an oil temp/pressure, or A/F gauge or voltage gauge and so on.

Let me know if I can provide any more help and i'll try to get those rough measurements out to you. One thing to make note of, I went the extra step and added pieces on the side (that screw into the side holes) for added strength because I would be pushing on the bezel when connecting the RCA cables. The guy on the link above did not add those and still said it is very stable.

Edit: Now with pictures.
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02164.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02165.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02166.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02167.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02168.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02169.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.toddlampone.com/pictures/forester/gauge_bezel/images/DSC02170.jpg[/IMG]
xazzu 01-11-2007 11:16 PM

[quote=PinnacleChronos;16634497]whats the point of it down there, you won't ever look there while you're driving[/quote]

for me, it's so you don't look pretentious "oh look at me I have bunches of gauges." I'd really rather just recreate the gauge pod if I had my way. or maybe I should just try to find a digital gauge pac that fits in the second din.
wrxtasy555 01-11-2007 11:32 PM

[QUOTE=xazzu;16634936]for me, it's so you don't look pretentious "oh look at me I have bunches of gauges." I'd really rather just recreate the gauge pod if I had my way. or maybe I should just try to find a digital gauge pac that fits in the second din.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Pretentious was the word I was looking for.

I would have gone with a second din gauge setup but I have the nav unit. I also would have gone with a setup to replace the storage bin (I think it's the clock on the WRX) at top but re-read quote at top.

So, this seemed like a good alternative. Oh, and those are standard 52mm gauges. The gauges and wires and senders cost just over $100 shipped. The list can be seen within the SubaruForester.org link above. No they are not fancy gauges (I would have LOVED to put in some Omori full color gauges) that cost a fortune but they work just fine. Oh, and at night the background is green with a red needle. They are slightly brighter than the rest of the dash but it's not that bad, especially because they are low and out of sight. There is a night picture at the forester.org link above as well.
khail19 01-13-2007 01:22 AM

I've got the same VDO Vision gauges, and I like them a lot. They replaced the Autometer Ultralites I had before, the backlighting is far superior on the VDOs and they look better in the daytime as well. They were cheaper than the Autometers too. Here's mine.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/khail19/Gauges3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/khail19/Gauges5.jpg[/IMG]
wrxtasy555 01-13-2007 02:19 AM

Nice. It's like VDO made these gauges for Subarus since they come with a green bulb cover for Imprezas/Foresters and red for the STi's. Color combo matches great.

Those must be hard to see down there. Do you have any problems seeing them? I guess it wouldn't really be any more difficult than where my gauges are.
khail19 01-13-2007 02:36 AM

Not hard at all, the angle they are at points them right at my head almost. Just a quick glance down is all it takes. I don't drive around constantly staring at my gauges anyways, so it's not a big deal. My car is not an STi, but I've modded all the lighting to amber/red, so the gauges match great.
wrxtasy555 01-13-2007 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=khail19;16650198]Not hard at all, the angle they are at points them right at my head almost. Just a quick glance down is all it takes. I don't drive around constantly staring at my gauges anyways, so it's not a big deal. My car is not an STi, but I've modded all the lighting to amber/red, so the gauges match great.[/QUOTE]

Looks nice. How hard was it to mod the lighting? I see posts about it alot but never knew just how intense it was to do. Where did you get those gauges at? And how much did you pay?
khail19 01-13-2007 01:14 PM

[QUOTE=wrxtasy555;16651779]Looks nice. How hard was it to mod the lighting? I see posts about it alot but never knew just how intense it was to do. Where did you get those gauges at? And how much did you pay?[/QUOTE]

Everything in my car was lit up green when it was stock. I bought the red lamp covers in a few different sizes and took apart my cluster and my dash to change everything to red. It's not too hard, but the cluster is time consuming if you do it right. There was a big thread about it a while back, I'm sure a search will bring it up.

The gauges I bought from my work (Napa Auto Parts). I think I paid around $125 for the 5 gauges and the sending units with my employee discount. Summit Racing sells them too, and they have decent prices. I bought the upper factory gauge pod from the dealer for around $60, and I made the two faceplates myself out of acrylic scraps from a plastic store here in town.
madmanmlh 01-13-2007 01:28 PM

looks good khail
stupid question of the day: isnt the temp gauge in the main cluster water temp? or is it oil temp? If its water temp why have a spare gague.

Anyway i really want a voltimeter, being in vermont i never know if its a cold battery or something worse
Web Foot STi 01-13-2007 02:46 PM

Quick question khail:

What do the VDO gages look like in day light with the lights on?

I'm just wondering what they would look like with an STi dash.

Thanks.
wrxtasy555 01-13-2007 03:26 PM

[QUOTE=madmanmlh;16652747]looks good khail
stupid question of the day: isnt the temp gauge in the main cluster water temp? or is it oil temp? If its water temp why have a spare gague.[/QUOTE]

I always thought that too but having a seperate, and hopefully more accurate, gauge should provide more insight as to the coolant level. Yes it might be a little overkill, but if you're really tricking out your ride its just added insurance IMHO.
xazzu 01-13-2007 07:32 PM

[quote=wrxtasy555;16651779]Looks nice. How hard was it to mod the lighting? I see posts about it alot but never knew just how intense it was to do. Where did you get those gauges at? And how much did you pay?[/quote]

afaik, it requires taking appart your cluster and sanding off the green film on the back of the gauges. Also, a lot of the times it ends up splotchy. definately requires a lot of time and effort to get it right. I'm sticking with green, I just wish the stock lighting was brighter.

I hope that we can make this post a good resource for putting gauges down there, maybe get a little write up with measurements. Thanks for all the input so far, keep it up.
wrxtasy555 01-13-2007 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=xazzu;16655678]afaik, it requires taking appart your cluster and sanding off the green film on the back of the gauges. Also, a lot of the times it ends up splotchy. definately requires a lot of time and effort to get it right. I'm sticking with green, I just wish the stock lighting was brighter.

I hope that we can make this post a good resource for putting gauges down there, maybe get a little write up with measurements. Thanks for all the input so far, keep it up.[/QUOTE]

Getting those measurements is on my list. I'm hoping that a company will be interested in actually manufacturing them.
xazzu 01-13-2007 09:11 PM

[quote=wrxtasy555;16655940]Getting those measurements is on my list. I'm hoping that a company will be interested in actually manufacturing them.[/quote]

I don't see why not, seems like the perfect niche market to grab a hold of. Just make sure when you sell the idea, I get to sample the product ;)
khail19 01-13-2007 10:42 PM

[QUOTE=madmanmlh;16652747]looks good khail
stupid question of the day: isnt the temp gauge in the main cluster water temp? or is it oil temp? If its water temp why have a spare gague.

Anyway i really want a voltimeter, being in vermont i never know if its a cold battery or something worse[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wrxtasy555;16653689]I always thought that too but having a seperate, and hopefully more accurate, gauge should provide more insight as to the coolant level. Yes it might be a little overkill, but if you're really tricking out your ride its just added insurance IMHO.[/QUOTE]

wrxtasy555 basically got it, it's just more accurate. The stock temperature gauge really only has 3 positions, cold, normal, and overheating. I like knowing the actual temp, even if it is overkill. Plus I needed 5 gauges or I'd have empty holes! :lol: And a voltmeter is a must have for me, especially with the addition of stereo equipment.

[QUOTE=Web Foot STi;16653367]Quick question khail:

What do the VDO gages look like in day light with the lights on?

I'm just wondering what they would look like with an STi dash.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Basically that first pic shows what they look like in the daytime. Just white lettering on a black background. Even with the lights on the color is too washed out to really show up in the daytime. Mine would probably be a very faint pink if I looked close enough.
Blubullt02 01-18-2010 06:02 AM

diggin it from the grave! I just did this with a piece of sheet metal...

[url]http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad188/blubullt02/some%20rattle%20cans%20can%20do%20alot/painting179.jpg[/url]
Pearl04 01-18-2010 03:12 PM

Subtle makes these. I think you can get one gauge or two gauge holes.
Pearl04 01-18-2010 03:14 PM

Yep.

[url]http://www.subtle-solutions.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_23_34_75&products_id=61[/url]

I think this is what you guys are looking for.

I just want a gauge in there but I still want to keep the door to hide it for a clean look.

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