| shorty5198 | 10-04-2006 11:20 PM |
how to get started?
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Hey, I am in highschool and I just got my STi that i have been saving up for for forever. I have always wanted to rally. I know its demanding and i know i cant just dive in, but how could i start to get into it? I am going to get my amature racing liscense next spring but i dont know who to talk to or where to go. There is a rally course a little north of where i live but i would want to get lessons first. Any reputable programs that you would recommend? How did you other rally drivers get started? Thanks alot guys.
Andrew
Andrew
| shikataganai | 10-05-2006 01:22 AM |
look at the top of this forum. informational sticky. then follow the link to the rally FAQ within that.
| Protege Menace | 10-05-2006 01:32 AM |
amature racing license :confused:
| mykrrrr | 10-05-2006 06:28 AM |
Read the sticky @ the top then:
Volunteer as a stage marshall, volunteer for a rally team, co-drive for someone. Repeat for a couple years. Sell the STi, buy a used 2WD G2 or Prod car, a tow vehicle and all the kit needed to be a rally driver. The $$$ left over from STi sale can fund a couple rallies if you don't wreck. Work yer arse off to afford to rally.
** this reply may sound elitist but that's how you do it @ a grassroots level.
Volunteer as a stage marshall, volunteer for a rally team, co-drive for someone. Repeat for a couple years. Sell the STi, buy a used 2WD G2 or Prod car, a tow vehicle and all the kit needed to be a rally driver. The $$$ left over from STi sale can fund a couple rallies if you don't wreck. Work yer arse off to afford to rally.
** this reply may sound elitist but that's how you do it @ a grassroots level.
| AlbaScoob | 10-05-2006 07:45 AM |
you already have an STi...great you're sorted
gut your new STi
bump about $15k into it to get it to PGT spec
buy a trailer
buy a tow truck
buy a bunch of spare parts, A-arms, brakes and gearboxes especially...
oh wait a minute...no, no, no, bad idea...
gut your new STi
bump about $15k into it to get it to PGT spec
buy a trailer
buy a tow truck
buy a bunch of spare parts, A-arms, brakes and gearboxes especially...
oh wait a minute...no, no, no, bad idea...
| bjorn240 | 10-05-2006 09:17 AM |
Mykrrrr is dead on. That's how to do it.
| mykrrrr | 10-05-2006 09:55 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15502309]Mykrrrr is dead on. That's how to do it.[/QUOTE]
w00t!!!! :D +1 for me. :lol:
See ya @ LSPR Bjorn240199mrcoolguysir :D
w00t!!!! :D +1 for me. :lol:
See ya @ LSPR Bjorn240199mrcoolguysir :D
| flyboymike | 10-05-2006 11:08 AM |
You could start off with rallycross events to get a taste for the dirt, assuming you don't mind getting your brand new car a bit dirty.
| RB5 Clone | 10-05-2006 11:12 AM |
everybody wants to be a rally driver, but few can afford to jump right in, and NOBODY can jump right in with an STI (you have to start out in 2wd)
there's a lot to learn first, it takes zero talent to buy a prepped car and wreck it at the first bend.
where are you located? that would help in recommending schools, rallyX programs, etc
...and yes, +12345 for what mykrrr sez. you can't go fast for long unless you start out slowly.
Dave G
there's a lot to learn first, it takes zero talent to buy a prepped car and wreck it at the first bend.
where are you located? that would help in recommending schools, rallyX programs, etc
...and yes, +12345 for what mykrrr sez. you can't go fast for long unless you start out slowly.
Dave G
| akuhner | 10-05-2006 11:37 AM |
Sell the STI now, get a 2.5RS (GC8 'cause it's hot!) and learn to drive that first!
Seriously. My rally car has 1.8 liters that puts 72hp to the wheels, it weighs in at 2,850 or so (no occupants), and I have 5+ years of auto-x, rally-x, ice racing, winter TSDs, etc.... yet my slow car still scares me at rallies! I'm finding that learning to conserve speed and manage the car is easier when you can't bail yourself out with horsepower (by that I mean it's harder without the power, but you learn to be more diciplined).
Either way, you are YOUNG, you have plenty of time to learn what's what if you get out and get involved. Become a crew member.
Then do a search, there's plenty of threads like this on here!
Oh, and tell us where you are from (don't give your address or anything specific though, never know if they are any Foley's around! :lol: ) so people can suggest where to go get involved.
Alex
Seriously. My rally car has 1.8 liters that puts 72hp to the wheels, it weighs in at 2,850 or so (no occupants), and I have 5+ years of auto-x, rally-x, ice racing, winter TSDs, etc.... yet my slow car still scares me at rallies! I'm finding that learning to conserve speed and manage the car is easier when you can't bail yourself out with horsepower (by that I mean it's harder without the power, but you learn to be more diciplined).
Either way, you are YOUNG, you have plenty of time to learn what's what if you get out and get involved. Become a crew member.
Then do a search, there's plenty of threads like this on here!
Oh, and tell us where you are from (don't give your address or anything specific though, never know if they are any Foley's around! :lol: ) so people can suggest where to go get involved.
Alex
| shorty5198 | 10-05-2006 06:01 PM |
wow, thats alot of info. I know rallying is demanding and i know it would take years and years to be able to really do it, i just wanted to see if there are any programs out there for young guys like me who want to get a taste of it. I live right outside of minneapolis, MN.
| ryan j | 10-05-2006 06:38 PM |
There are alot of rally guys and even some girls in the Minneapolis area. What kind of racing license are you getting?
If you want to see it in person, make a trip up to the Houghton third weekend this month (MEA) to check out the rally. Spectators spots are lousy there, so you're better off volunteering to marshall. You'll see alot more, and you'll get to know how things work on the organizer level.
Stop by car #93, don't know which car we're running yet, and say hi if you make it up there.
- got started in this mess when I was 12, stealing my parent's VW rabbit after they went to bed and tearing down the snowmobile trails all night. It took me 10 years to find out that it's an actual sport.
If you want to race as soon as you can, find someone that needs a codriver, get a used suit and helmet and a Hans device, and learn as you go. Ask the other racers for help. Most will help you out, some will give you a headache.
If you want to see it in person, make a trip up to the Houghton third weekend this month (MEA) to check out the rally. Spectators spots are lousy there, so you're better off volunteering to marshall. You'll see alot more, and you'll get to know how things work on the organizer level.
Stop by car #93, don't know which car we're running yet, and say hi if you make it up there.
- got started in this mess when I was 12, stealing my parent's VW rabbit after they went to bed and tearing down the snowmobile trails all night. It took me 10 years to find out that it's an actual sport.
If you want to race as soon as you can, find someone that needs a codriver, get a used suit and helmet and a Hans device, and learn as you go. Ask the other racers for help. Most will help you out, some will give you a headache.
| leecea | 10-05-2006 06:42 PM |
Have you thought about autox? It's very cheap and the STi will be tons of fun to drive, with almost no risk. It may sound lame - racing around few cones in a parking lot - but get an instructor run and you'll be amazed at the fun factor and driving skill involved.
| WRX-ECE | 10-05-2006 06:44 PM |
do as the men say.
Keep the STi, its a great car, just don't plan on doing any Stage Rally in it any time soon. "If you had to save for it you can't afford to Rally it" is some of the best advice I've ever gotten.
I'm not unique in this situation it is the norm: I will be navigating in a '86 VW GTI starting next year, the car cost us $4500 and I have already spent $2000 on stuff (new seat, new helmet, fire suit, harnesses etc etc etc). We are budgeting $2000 per event (and thats for a budget team). That doesn't include when (not if) we wreck the car. I'm expecting to spend $15-$20K a year to do this right.
Oh, and I'm saving to go to Navi school too...
We'll be seeing many of you at SandBlast for our inagural Rally...
Jeremy
Keep the STi, its a great car, just don't plan on doing any Stage Rally in it any time soon. "If you had to save for it you can't afford to Rally it" is some of the best advice I've ever gotten.
I'm not unique in this situation it is the norm: I will be navigating in a '86 VW GTI starting next year, the car cost us $4500 and I have already spent $2000 on stuff (new seat, new helmet, fire suit, harnesses etc etc etc). We are budgeting $2000 per event (and thats for a budget team). That doesn't include when (not if) we wreck the car. I'm expecting to spend $15-$20K a year to do this right.
Oh, and I'm saving to go to Navi school too...
We'll be seeing many of you at SandBlast for our inagural Rally...
Jeremy
| fliz | 10-05-2006 06:47 PM |
There is a fairly active rallycross series around teh Twin Cities.
specialstage is down right now, but when it comes back (probably on Monday), go to the regional forum and read up on the local rallyx. Go, meet those guys, and find out who is running rallies and if they need any help.
There are a number of rally teams (and RallyAmerica HQ) based in Minneapolis, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to hook up with them, if you can bring any mechanical skills to the table.
Car 687 G2 - 1988 VW GTI
specialstage is down right now, but when it comes back (probably on Monday), go to the regional forum and read up on the local rallyx. Go, meet those guys, and find out who is running rallies and if they need any help.
There are a number of rally teams (and RallyAmerica HQ) based in Minneapolis, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to hook up with them, if you can bring any mechanical skills to the table.
Car 687 G2 - 1988 VW GTI
| davis10 | 10-05-2006 06:50 PM |
there is alos another thread about this in this forum right now in addition to the sticky
| shorty5198 | 10-05-2006 06:57 PM |
right on. all i want to do is get involved. helping out with a crew would be my dream. Do those teams accept help on the spot or how should i go about getting to know the people there?
| shorty5198 | 10-05-2006 07:02 PM |
yea autox would be fun. I definatly wanna try it next summer.
| shorty5198 | 10-05-2006 07:05 PM |
what liscense would you guys recommend that i look at for a guy my age?
| WRX-ECE | 10-05-2006 07:22 PM |
none, for Auto-x you need a drivers license, for RallyX you need a drivers license.
I would recommend getting a membership in SCCA if you plan on doing a bunch of events a year, our region gives a $5-10 discount per event it pays for itself+ if you run a whole season.
No reason to pay for an Rally America or NASA license if you wont be competing. If you start doing HPDE (track days) you might need to get a membership from the sponsoring club, but again, not a license.
Jeremy
PS - most "licenses" don't require you to prove skill or competince, just pay a fee so you can compete
I would recommend getting a membership in SCCA if you plan on doing a bunch of events a year, our region gives a $5-10 discount per event it pays for itself+ if you run a whole season.
No reason to pay for an Rally America or NASA license if you wont be competing. If you start doing HPDE (track days) you might need to get a membership from the sponsoring club, but again, not a license.
Jeremy
PS - most "licenses" don't require you to prove skill or competince, just pay a fee so you can compete
| fliz | 10-05-2006 07:35 PM |
If you really want a "license", a Rally America worker/crew license is $10.
It's not required, and won't get you on a service crew...but it will get you on rally mailing lists and you get a T-Shirt.
It's not required, and won't get you on a service crew...but it will get you on rally mailing lists and you get a T-Shirt.
| leecea | 10-05-2006 08:02 PM |
If you're under 18, most places will want parents' signatures to compete.
| silver arrow | 10-05-2006 09:45 PM |
I autocross. Reasonably inexpensive, fun, meet other motorheads, and learn car control. This is my rookie year and I've done pretty well and have really enjoyed it. I want to go to Nationals next year and get spanked :lol:
| akuhner | 10-05-2006 10:07 PM |
[QUOTE=shorty5198;15509246] i just wanted to see if there are any programs out there for young guys like me who want to get a taste of it. [/QUOTE]
You make your own program! You could go to Team O'Neil for rally school if you can scam $3,000+ off someone, but don't bother yet, just find a rally and sign up to work.
Here's a good rally for you to check out (next year):
[url]http://ojibweforestrally.com/[/url]
Or pick from something else on here:
[url]http://www.rally-america.com/[/url]
or here:
[url]http://www.nasarallysport.com/[/url]
Somewhere out there we had a google maps community thing going that showed a lot of people around Minneapolis in the rally community. Also note that Rally America is based in MN too, if you want to get in email someone there and ask how you can help and get involved. Maybe they want an "intern" or something next summer... the possibilities are endless! ;)
Alex
PS - how the heck does a high schooler save up for an STI? I'm 30 and I can't seem to save up for one! Then again, I spent about 15k on rally this year (including buying my car).
You make your own program! You could go to Team O'Neil for rally school if you can scam $3,000+ off someone, but don't bother yet, just find a rally and sign up to work.
Here's a good rally for you to check out (next year):
[url]http://ojibweforestrally.com/[/url]
Or pick from something else on here:
[url]http://www.rally-america.com/[/url]
or here:
[url]http://www.nasarallysport.com/[/url]
Somewhere out there we had a google maps community thing going that showed a lot of people around Minneapolis in the rally community. Also note that Rally America is based in MN too, if you want to get in email someone there and ask how you can help and get involved. Maybe they want an "intern" or something next summer... the possibilities are endless! ;)
Alex
PS - how the heck does a high schooler save up for an STI? I'm 30 and I can't seem to save up for one! Then again, I spent about 15k on rally this year (including buying my car).
| M. Hurst | 10-05-2006 11:02 PM |
[QUOTE=shorty5198;15499109]that i have been saving up for for forever. [/QUOTE]
From a guy who is wearing a pair of boots that I bought before you born, and was driving in rallies 6+ years earlier than that...I find your concept of "forever" entertaining.
I'm not putting you down..it just takes me back to when I was your age, and time crept along....I'm jealous.
My best advice is to plan for the future so you can afford to rally...a good education and the ability to have a flexible job or business and make good money is what will get you the most time behind the wheel of a rally car. (or become an extreme sports / MX legend first?)
Come to Houghton MI in a couple of weeks and check it out..Rally is an awesome sport...enjoy the ride!
From a guy who is wearing a pair of boots that I bought before you born, and was driving in rallies 6+ years earlier than that...I find your concept of "forever" entertaining.
I'm not putting you down..it just takes me back to when I was your age, and time crept along....I'm jealous.
My best advice is to plan for the future so you can afford to rally...a good education and the ability to have a flexible job or business and make good money is what will get you the most time behind the wheel of a rally car. (or become an extreme sports / MX legend first?)
Come to Houghton MI in a couple of weeks and check it out..Rally is an awesome sport...enjoy the ride!
| fliz | 10-05-2006 11:03 PM |
Oh, and before Ojibwe, there will be a regional, [url]www.shootingstarrally.com[/url]
| shorty5198 | 10-05-2006 11:24 PM |
yea, i know. I have had a job since i was 14 and never spent any of my money and i worked 40+ hours a week last summer. I put down a hefty amount on it and my parents bought the rest of it and i have to maintain the grades to keep it. I know i probobly sound spolied but i put in over 80% of the money for this car. I know i am very lucky. I worked my ass off for this car. Then again, its alot easier to save up when you have a house with no bills to pay:). I appreciate the input guys. Thanks
| WRX-ECE | 10-05-2006 11:34 PM |
[QUOTE=shorty5198;15512829] I know i am very lucky. I worked my ass off for this car. [/QUOTE]
Than don't destroy it by turning it into a rally car just yet. Keep working hard and treat that STi to some less damaging fun.
If you can go to LSPR and see some great racing, I was only thinking about taking the dive into rally, but going to my first rally cemented the idea for me, its a total blast to just be there.
It's refreshing to see a thread around here answered instead of flamed, I guess something good did come from SpecialStage being down, you got yourself some advice from people who actually do (not me yet, but others) instead of the usual hoard of keyboard racers...
Jeremy
Than don't destroy it by turning it into a rally car just yet. Keep working hard and treat that STi to some less damaging fun.
If you can go to LSPR and see some great racing, I was only thinking about taking the dive into rally, but going to my first rally cemented the idea for me, its a total blast to just be there.
It's refreshing to see a thread around here answered instead of flamed, I guess something good did come from SpecialStage being down, you got yourself some advice from people who actually do (not me yet, but others) instead of the usual hoard of keyboard racers...
Jeremy
| shorty5198 | 10-05-2006 11:41 PM |
yea now that i think about it, autox would be a good substitute for now. I still would really like to get involved at meets and events and learn how the rally world works.
| AlbaScoob | 10-06-2006 07:14 AM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15512573]From a guy who is wearing a pair of boots that I bought before you born, and was driving in rallies 6+ years earlier than that...I find your concept of "forever" entertaining.
I'm not putting you down..it just takes me back to when I was your age, and time crept along....I'm jealous.
My best advice is to plan for the future so you can afford to rally...a good education and the ability to have a flexible job or business and make good money is what will get you the most time behind the wheel of a rally car. (or become an extreme sports / MX legend first?)
Come to Houghton MI in a couple of weeks and check it out..Rally is an awesome sport...enjoy the ride![/QUOTE]
Great words of wisdom from the Master�
I'm not putting you down..it just takes me back to when I was your age, and time crept along....I'm jealous.
My best advice is to plan for the future so you can afford to rally...a good education and the ability to have a flexible job or business and make good money is what will get you the most time behind the wheel of a rally car. (or become an extreme sports / MX legend first?)
Come to Houghton MI in a couple of weeks and check it out..Rally is an awesome sport...enjoy the ride![/QUOTE]
Great words of wisdom from the Master�
| akuhner | 10-06-2006 08:56 AM |
[QUOTE=M. Hurst;15512573]Come to Houghton MI in a couple of weeks and check it out..Rally is an awesome sport...enjoy the ride![/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.lsprorally.com/[/url]
That might seem far from you, but in rally terms, it's practically your home event!
[url]http://www.lsprorally.com/[/url]
That might seem far from you, but in rally terms, it's practically your home event!
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