| ChrisW | 12-09-2001 12:46 PM |
autox competition tires, Opinion wanted.
Ok,
I am on a limited budget this year... This past slush series I have run on Kumo V700s. For now that's my preffered tire, I can't afford hoosiers.
Here's the question. I need a low cost tire that is good for autox that has similar grip levels to the Kumos. My choices are
1) Another set of Kumos V700 ~$144/tire. The prefered tire, I might need 2 sets to last the season, can't really afford 2 sets for this year.
2) Yokohama A032R ~$151/tire. I have been looking at this tire. I know of several individuals in my region that have run this tire to STS-R to a championship in that class. Any opinions?
3) Toyo® Proxes RA-1 you know, the tire they use for the Speedvision GT series? Basically it's a DOT competition tire. For what it's worth, the tread wear rating is lower than the Kumos! huh....
4) Falken AZENIS RS. From what they advertise, it's legal for the SCCA street tire class. If you run a Novice class in your region, get this tire... Otherwise, any opinions?
My primary concern is tire wear, followed by grip levels. I am sticking with a 225/50/16 because that is the right size to fit on the stock WRX rims, and my race rims for my Talon. Eventually, I am going to be switching from the talon to the WRX, so I have a limited tire choice at this point.
I am on a limited budget this year... This past slush series I have run on Kumo V700s. For now that's my preffered tire, I can't afford hoosiers.
Here's the question. I need a low cost tire that is good for autox that has similar grip levels to the Kumos. My choices are
1) Another set of Kumos V700 ~$144/tire. The prefered tire, I might need 2 sets to last the season, can't really afford 2 sets for this year.
2) Yokohama A032R ~$151/tire. I have been looking at this tire. I know of several individuals in my region that have run this tire to STS-R to a championship in that class. Any opinions?
3) Toyo® Proxes RA-1 you know, the tire they use for the Speedvision GT series? Basically it's a DOT competition tire. For what it's worth, the tread wear rating is lower than the Kumos! huh....
4) Falken AZENIS RS. From what they advertise, it's legal for the SCCA street tire class. If you run a Novice class in your region, get this tire... Otherwise, any opinions?
My primary concern is tire wear, followed by grip levels. I am sticking with a 225/50/16 because that is the right size to fit on the stock WRX rims, and my race rims for my Talon. Eventually, I am going to be switching from the talon to the WRX, so I have a limited tire choice at this point.
| p-car | 12-09-2001 02:49 PM |
I run a032's on my 911. Not as good grip as the Kumho's, but they should last you a season (you didn't say what a season means for you) so they're easier on the wallet.
I know someone who swears he got over 5,000 miles out of a set of ao32's on his street legal 911sc race car. He drove to the track, raced(time trials not auto-x) and drove home on them b4 he bought a trailer, so most of those miles were freeway driving from Long Beach to Button Willow or Palmdale - say, 500 freeway miles for every 100 track miles.
john
P.S. I'd be interested in hearing any feedback on the Falken's as a dirt cheap street tire.
I know someone who swears he got over 5,000 miles out of a set of ao32's on his street legal 911sc race car. He drove to the track, raced(time trials not auto-x) and drove home on them b4 he bought a trailer, so most of those miles were freeway driving from Long Beach to Button Willow or Palmdale - say, 500 freeway miles for every 100 track miles.
john
P.S. I'd be interested in hearing any feedback on the Falken's as a dirt cheap street tire.
| jeddy | 12-09-2001 04:22 PM |
Well, i run Azenis' and love em for autocross, but they're too noisy and stiff for me on the street. I have another set of WRX wheels with RE92s that i normally use, in case i see a dirt road i want to go down. ;]
As for durability, the pair of Azenis that i just replaced lasted about 5 months (2-3 events per month, 4-10 runs per event). They were my daily driver tires for the first two months or so. I expect these to last till next summer, now that i know how to drive, hehe.
Note that other than the noise, they are awesome street tires, very smooth at high speed, and very grippy. You could probably get around the stiffness by running low pressure, but then you lose the handling benefits as the sidewall starts flexing.
As for durability, the pair of Azenis that i just replaced lasted about 5 months (2-3 events per month, 4-10 runs per event). They were my daily driver tires for the first two months or so. I expect these to last till next summer, now that i know how to drive, hehe.
Note that other than the noise, they are awesome street tires, very smooth at high speed, and very grippy. You could probably get around the stiffness by running low pressure, but then you lose the handling benefits as the sidewall starts flexing.
| Clegg | 12-09-2001 04:27 PM |
I have seen a few people now use the Bridgestone RE730's with great results. ( DiscoStu on this forum... came in 1st at every autoX I have seen him at, and he runs them)
I am planning on going with them on the stock rims next summer.
I am planning on going with them on the stock rims next summer.
| Fitz | 12-09-2001 05:48 PM |
I ran set of yoko AO32R's for this past season. They held up ok in regards to wear but from everyone that I talked to I should be running a Kumho or a Hoosier since they're a "stickier" tire.
Where are you folks pricing out your tires??
Thanks,
Fitz
Where are you folks pricing out your tires??
Thanks,
Fitz
| LUME | 12-10-2001 08:09 AM |
I've run A032R's for autox and TT (and azenis for the street). The Azenis are NOT in the same catagory. Even though they are one of the grippiest street tires, they don't even compare to the A032R's. My A032R's have lasted 1.5 autox seasons and 4 time trials.
In fact, at the end of this season, we had 4 people driving my car at a SNJ region autocross trying to cord the tires.... we couldn't do it (total of 28 runs in one day... no cord....)
--Roy
In fact, at the end of this season, we had 4 people driving my car at a SNJ region autocross trying to cord the tires.... we couldn't do it (total of 28 runs in one day... no cord....)
--Roy
| ChrisW | 12-10-2001 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LUME [/i]
[B]I've run A032R's for autox and TT (and azenis for the street). The Azenis are NOT in the same catagory. Even though they are one of the grippiest street tires, they don't even compare to the A032R's. My A032R's have lasted 1.5 autox seasons and 4 time trials.
In fact, at the end of this season, we had 4 people driving my car at a SNJ region autocross trying to cord the tires.... we couldn't do it (total of 28 runs in one day... no cord....)
--Roy [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, the A032R's look great on the wear & tear, but how was the grip levels in an autox?
[B]I've run A032R's for autox and TT (and azenis for the street). The Azenis are NOT in the same catagory. Even though they are one of the grippiest street tires, they don't even compare to the A032R's. My A032R's have lasted 1.5 autox seasons and 4 time trials.
In fact, at the end of this season, we had 4 people driving my car at a SNJ region autocross trying to cord the tires.... we couldn't do it (total of 28 runs in one day... no cord....)
--Roy [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, the A032R's look great on the wear & tear, but how was the grip levels in an autox?
| LUME | 12-10-2001 04:46 PM |
Not terrible... I'll rate the autox tires like this:
hoosier
kuhmo victoracer
a032r
bfg g-force r1
with the hoosiers being the best and the r1's being the WORST (and I stress worst). If you are planning to be very competitive, then a032s are not for you, however:
Jeff Lloyd piloted my bone stock RS to a G-stock victory over several highly regarded drivers in nationally competitive Type R's running hoosiers in one Philly region event.... so if you're good, the a032r's are good enough...
--Roy
hoosier
kuhmo victoracer
a032r
bfg g-force r1
with the hoosiers being the best and the r1's being the WORST (and I stress worst). If you are planning to be very competitive, then a032s are not for you, however:
Jeff Lloyd piloted my bone stock RS to a G-stock victory over several highly regarded drivers in nationally competitive Type R's running hoosiers in one Philly region event.... so if you're good, the a032r's are good enough...
--Roy
| imprezawrxsti.com | 12-10-2001 11:32 PM |
I have driven all of these tires on my car except RE-730's which I drove on another's car.
I will now rank them in order of how I like them, best first:
Kumho Victoracer
Yokohama A520
Bridgestone RE-730
Kumho Ecsta 711
Re-92's :lol: (only if I HAVE to)
My Yoko's have done great three events on them so far and 50 laps, my Kumho Victoracers lasted 13 events (3-4 runs/event) and 100 laps, the RE-730's I only drove twice, the 711's heated up way too much and got greasy, and RE-92's just plain flat out suck. :)
Come Spring, I am thinking of going to 17" wheels and Falken Azenis or the new Kumho STS tire. I want to go to 17's for the contact patch and the future. :) I have heard the new Kumho will kick some ass, with the absolute MINIMUM treadwear rating for STS. Maybe the cheater tire everybody in STS has been waiting for.. :devil:
JJ
[url]www.imprezawrxsti.com[/url]
All STi, All The Time
I will now rank them in order of how I like them, best first:
Kumho Victoracer
Yokohama A520
Bridgestone RE-730
Kumho Ecsta 711
Re-92's :lol: (only if I HAVE to)
My Yoko's have done great three events on them so far and 50 laps, my Kumho Victoracers lasted 13 events (3-4 runs/event) and 100 laps, the RE-730's I only drove twice, the 711's heated up way too much and got greasy, and RE-92's just plain flat out suck. :)
Come Spring, I am thinking of going to 17" wheels and Falken Azenis or the new Kumho STS tire. I want to go to 17's for the contact patch and the future. :) I have heard the new Kumho will kick some ass, with the absolute MINIMUM treadwear rating for STS. Maybe the cheater tire everybody in STS has been waiting for.. :devil:
JJ
[url]www.imprezawrxsti.com[/url]
All STi, All The Time
| Austin | 12-11-2001 01:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LUME [/i]
[B]and the r1's being the WORST (and I stress worst). [/B][/QUOTE]Why? They look to have a good tread pattern with large blocks on the outside, strong sidewalls, good compound... Do they just not stick?
[B]and the r1's being the WORST (and I stress worst). [/B][/QUOTE]Why? They look to have a good tread pattern with large blocks on the outside, strong sidewalls, good compound... Do they just not stick?
| NasaWRX | 12-11-2001 03:21 AM |
Tires
I have had experience w/ the azenis and they are a great tire. However If I had to suggest a tire for autox and road coarses is the BFG KDW. I had those on my rex and they were great tires. I still use them as race tires on my stock wheels
| LUME | 12-11-2001 08:05 AM |
The tread pattern on the R1's is merely a legal formality. It doesn't do anything and will be gone after one autox. The R1 compound is terrible. It requires a TON of heat to reach full "grippiness", and even then it doesn't compare to the other R compounds.
As for the KDW, I would go with the KD first.... more contact patch.
--Roy
As for the KDW, I would go with the KD first.... more contact patch.
--Roy
| Orion | 12-11-2001 08:18 AM |
[QUOTE][I]Originally posted by NasaWRX[/I]
[B]I have had experience w/ the azenis and they are a great tire. However If I had to suggest a tire for autox and road coarses is the BFG KDW. I had those on my rex and they were great tires. I still use them as race tires on my stock wheels[/B][/QUOTE]
I'll have to disagree here. I have KDW's on my car for everyday driving and AutoX. I've run 3 events on them and this last Sunday I ran a friends WRX auto wagon with Azenis. On the track, there's no comparison. The Azenis had [B]much[/B] more grip.
I definitelty wouldn't want the Azenis for everyday driving (lots of rain in Winter and Spring in Houston), but I'de seriously consider them for the ST class I'm in (we have 7 regional-only ST classes, for Divisionals I'll be in SM)
Next event I will have the same Azenis tires we ran on his car on my car, so I'll have a little better data to make a decision...
[B]I have had experience w/ the azenis and they are a great tire. However If I had to suggest a tire for autox and road coarses is the BFG KDW. I had those on my rex and they were great tires. I still use them as race tires on my stock wheels[/B][/QUOTE]
I'll have to disagree here. I have KDW's on my car for everyday driving and AutoX. I've run 3 events on them and this last Sunday I ran a friends WRX auto wagon with Azenis. On the track, there's no comparison. The Azenis had [B]much[/B] more grip.
I definitelty wouldn't want the Azenis for everyday driving (lots of rain in Winter and Spring in Houston), but I'de seriously consider them for the ST class I'm in (we have 7 regional-only ST classes, for Divisionals I'll be in SM)
Next event I will have the same Azenis tires we ran on his car on my car, so I'll have a little better data to make a decision...
| ColinL | 12-11-2001 09:12 AM |
LUME, actually my biggest complain about the g-Force R1 is that they are hard to drive. unpredictable breakaway characteristics.
| Austin | 12-11-2001 05:24 PM |
I did around 20 events last year on a set of 17" S-02pp's. Since they're basically dead, I bought some 16" BFG R1's... Are the R1's so crappy that I'm gonna notice lower cornering speed limits compared to s-o2's, or are they just crappy compared to all the other dedicated autox tires being discussed here?
Also, how unhealthy for an R1 would driving ~30 miles to the track be?
Also, how unhealthy for an R1 would driving ~30 miles to the track be?
| ColinL | 12-11-2001 05:38 PM |
no, the g-Force R1 is much grippier than an S-02. much firmer sidewalls too. you might find it hard to know where the limits are, that's all.
and ~30 miles is OK. just watch the treadwear (especially if you don't have ABS or disable it for some reason) and bring street tires with you when they're near worn out.
and ~30 miles is OK. just watch the treadwear (especially if you don't have ABS or disable it for some reason) and bring street tires with you when they're near worn out.
| ChrisW | 12-11-2001 05:48 PM |
My $0.02 on BFG g-Farce R1 tires
These tires suck so bad that I never want to put those POS tires on my car ever again. I actually debated putting the stock re-92's back on because the grip levels were so inconsistant with those g-farces that you could not predict what the tire was going to do. One minute the tire is perfect, the next it's greasy:monkey:
If you think your doing good with the G-farces, get a set of kumos and you will be at least 3-4 seconds faster, with Hoosiers, expect more time savings, but I have not used Hoosiers yet.
So no one has tried the Toyo's? Otherwise it looking more like the A032R.
Thanks for all the responses
If you think your doing good with the G-farces, get a set of kumos and you will be at least 3-4 seconds faster, with Hoosiers, expect more time savings, but I have not used Hoosiers yet.
So no one has tried the Toyo's? Otherwise it looking more like the A032R.
Thanks for all the responses
| LUME | 12-12-2001 08:18 AM |
g-farces.... thats classic... :lol:
| Patrick Olsen | 12-12-2001 11:08 AM |
First of all, Chris, check the Tire Rack for better tire pricing. The V700s in 225/50-16 or $129 per tire (or were you adding in $15 for heat cycling?).
What about the new Kumho ECSTA V700? Tire Rack has them now. The new design addresses a lot of the weak points of the original V700 - about 4-4.5# lighter per tire, better grip, and equal or better wear characteristics. They're still heavier than the Hoosiers, and still don't have quite as much grip as the Hoosiers, but they'll last a heckuva lot longer and they're way cheaper. Basically, it sounds like Kumho made the budget auto-x tire even better - heck, it's even $1 cheaper in your size! ;)
As for the BFG R-1s, it seems to be a love/hate tire. I've never driven on them myself, so I can't give any personal inputs. But, I've met guys at auto-x and track events who love them, and I've met guys who hate them. In both cases I'm talking about experienced drivers who have driven on other R-compound tires and therefore have something to compare to. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the R1 has been discontinued, so availability might not be that great.
For those who have mentioned street tires (RE730s, Azenis, KDWs, etc) - there's no comparison. [b]ChrisW's[/b] initial post said, [i]"I need a low cost tire that is good for autox that has [b]similar grip levels to the Kumos.[/b]"[/i] (emphasis added) The Azenis has pretty damn good grip for a relatively inexpensive street tire, but even it can't touch a V700 or A032R. The RE730s and KDWs aren't even in the same zip code, let alone the same ballpark.
If your primary concern is tire wear, followed by grip level, you've got a tough choice. Both the A032R and (from what I've heard) the Toyo RA-1 are somewhat less grippy than the Kumhos, but they also have somewhat better wear characteristics. I think the Toyos cost about the same as the Kumhos, while the Yokos are $20+ more per tire. That's kind of a toss up. Personally, I'd stick with what I know - if you know and like the Kumhos, stay with them.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
What about the new Kumho ECSTA V700? Tire Rack has them now. The new design addresses a lot of the weak points of the original V700 - about 4-4.5# lighter per tire, better grip, and equal or better wear characteristics. They're still heavier than the Hoosiers, and still don't have quite as much grip as the Hoosiers, but they'll last a heckuva lot longer and they're way cheaper. Basically, it sounds like Kumho made the budget auto-x tire even better - heck, it's even $1 cheaper in your size! ;)
As for the BFG R-1s, it seems to be a love/hate tire. I've never driven on them myself, so I can't give any personal inputs. But, I've met guys at auto-x and track events who love them, and I've met guys who hate them. In both cases I'm talking about experienced drivers who have driven on other R-compound tires and therefore have something to compare to. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the R1 has been discontinued, so availability might not be that great.
For those who have mentioned street tires (RE730s, Azenis, KDWs, etc) - there's no comparison. [b]ChrisW's[/b] initial post said, [i]"I need a low cost tire that is good for autox that has [b]similar grip levels to the Kumos.[/b]"[/i] (emphasis added) The Azenis has pretty damn good grip for a relatively inexpensive street tire, but even it can't touch a V700 or A032R. The RE730s and KDWs aren't even in the same zip code, let alone the same ballpark.
If your primary concern is tire wear, followed by grip level, you've got a tough choice. Both the A032R and (from what I've heard) the Toyo RA-1 are somewhat less grippy than the Kumhos, but they also have somewhat better wear characteristics. I think the Toyos cost about the same as the Kumhos, while the Yokos are $20+ more per tire. That's kind of a toss up. Personally, I'd stick with what I know - if you know and like the Kumhos, stay with them.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| G2 | 12-12-2001 11:49 AM |
[B]Toyo Prox RA-1's!!![/B]
Here's why...firend of mine did a little testing at Sear's Point here in Cali. He ran Kumho's, Falken's & Hoosier's in a test for Falken Tires, who were trying to debate bringing over their comp tires in Aug 2000...
These tests were done in a 2000 SCCA Show Room Stock Civic Si, but my buddy also runs in World Challenge in a different car, so this wasn't a rookie.
Results:
well he ran decent times on full tread kumho's, but they started to [B]chunk![/B]:( (too soft...Note: Victor Racers only come in one compound for AutoX & Road Race, which is VERY BAD for tire wear on road courses...TOO SOFT, they'll come appart)
Then he ran the Hoosier's got a little better 0.2-0.3 sec faster, but the Hoosier's have Nylon cores to save weight, so they flatspot EASY!
Falken's were next, Faster by almost 1 sec per lap, but he said they're hard to know when you're at the limit (he felt the car slip a few times when he was REALLY pushing it.:)
Then back to a set of shaved Kumho's...better than the non-shaved set (less chunking) but still not as fast as any of the others. Plus he said they got kinda "greasy" feeling when really hot (slippery) :(.
Then, just to see where he was, my friend asked them to time him on a set of [B]4 year old[/B] Toyo RA1's...which he used as a test session set, well...he ran [B]3.5 to 4.0 sec FASTER!!![/B]:D...yes that is 3-4 SECONDS, NOT TENTHS faster!
The Falken guys were BLOWN away, and they all had a laugh...:lol:
needless to say, the RA1's are sticky til the END...know from 12 hour enduro's & having the driver pull in on the cords, and still placing 1st & 2nd in class.
FYI on the Yok's; the tread has a good life, but not as soft as the others in question...but most wear life.:)
I hope my rant helps.:D
Here's why...firend of mine did a little testing at Sear's Point here in Cali. He ran Kumho's, Falken's & Hoosier's in a test for Falken Tires, who were trying to debate bringing over their comp tires in Aug 2000...
These tests were done in a 2000 SCCA Show Room Stock Civic Si, but my buddy also runs in World Challenge in a different car, so this wasn't a rookie.
Results:
well he ran decent times on full tread kumho's, but they started to [B]chunk![/B]:( (too soft...Note: Victor Racers only come in one compound for AutoX & Road Race, which is VERY BAD for tire wear on road courses...TOO SOFT, they'll come appart)
Then he ran the Hoosier's got a little better 0.2-0.3 sec faster, but the Hoosier's have Nylon cores to save weight, so they flatspot EASY!
Falken's were next, Faster by almost 1 sec per lap, but he said they're hard to know when you're at the limit (he felt the car slip a few times when he was REALLY pushing it.:)
Then back to a set of shaved Kumho's...better than the non-shaved set (less chunking) but still not as fast as any of the others. Plus he said they got kinda "greasy" feeling when really hot (slippery) :(.
Then, just to see where he was, my friend asked them to time him on a set of [B]4 year old[/B] Toyo RA1's...which he used as a test session set, well...he ran [B]3.5 to 4.0 sec FASTER!!![/B]:D...yes that is 3-4 SECONDS, NOT TENTHS faster!
The Falken guys were BLOWN away, and they all had a laugh...:lol:
needless to say, the RA1's are sticky til the END...know from 12 hour enduro's & having the driver pull in on the cords, and still placing 1st & 2nd in class.
FYI on the Yok's; the tread has a good life, but not as soft as the others in question...but most wear life.:)
I hope my rant helps.:D
| Gary (gg) | 12-12-2001 12:41 PM |
Chris, Be wary of people giving tire advice and never have ran on R tires. I have used A-032R's, G-Force R1's, Falken Azenis's, A008RS's, Michelin Pilots, Yokohama Nexus on the 2.5Rs autoxing at different levels of competition. I can tell you from experience that there is a performance gap between R-tires and street tires. Generally, R-tires on a stock class car is faster than STS cars. From what you are wanting, go with the Kuhmo Ecsta V-700. That seems to fit your needs better. If you are on stock struts, go with the 205/45R16. If you have stiffer ones, go with the 225/50R16. Make sure you get an alignment that maxes out the negative camber in the front and be sure to flip the tires on the rim if one side looks more worn out than the other. I can't help with tire pressures though.
| Tony | 12-12-2001 06:19 PM |
Pat Olsen Wrote:
[quote]The new design addresses a lot of the weak points of the original V700 - about 4-4.5# lighter per tire, better grip, and equal or better wear characteristics.[/quote]
The word I got from the Kumho tech support guy was that wear was going to be worse. Basically they made a compromise between the old V700 and a Hoosier type tire. Lighter, grippier but wears quicker. I'll be using the old V700 next year since I value life over competitivness.
Tony
[quote]The new design addresses a lot of the weak points of the original V700 - about 4-4.5# lighter per tire, better grip, and equal or better wear characteristics.[/quote]
The word I got from the Kumho tech support guy was that wear was going to be worse. Basically they made a compromise between the old V700 and a Hoosier type tire. Lighter, grippier but wears quicker. I'll be using the old V700 next year since I value life over competitivness.
Tony
| Coati | 12-20-2001 07:08 PM |
Okay, slight modification to the previous selection criteria:
Novice driver, stock class wagon with stock struts.
Tires will be driven ~25mi to and ~25mi back from the auto-x each time.
Would like to get 1 full season of autocrossing out of the set.
Unless there are real extremes, price is not a factor.
Falken? Yoko? Kumho? xxx?
Also, I noticed some other sizes besides 205/55 were recommended. Any thoughts on that?
Novice driver, stock class wagon with stock struts.
Tires will be driven ~25mi to and ~25mi back from the auto-x each time.
Would like to get 1 full season of autocrossing out of the set.
Unless there are real extremes, price is not a factor.
Falken? Yoko? Kumho? xxx?
Also, I noticed some other sizes besides 205/55 were recommended. Any thoughts on that?
| ColinL | 12-20-2001 09:54 PM |
if price isn't a factor, why worry about getting a season out of a set?
anyway, unless you'll do open track or a whole bunch of autocrosses a set of kumho victoracer v700s would last the season. well a Kansas season-- in SD you could probably have an autocross in January. ;) they're also fine for considerable street driving, 30-60 miles per event is no sweat. if you had piles of money they'd actually make an excellent street tire. :devil:
I don't know about the new ecsta V700, we'll find out this year assuming they finally got the production sorted out.
225/50-16s definitely fit on stock class WRX sedans, I've seen it. I don't know about your wagon, the fender openings are a bit smaller.
anyway, unless you'll do open track or a whole bunch of autocrosses a set of kumho victoracer v700s would last the season. well a Kansas season-- in SD you could probably have an autocross in January. ;) they're also fine for considerable street driving, 30-60 miles per event is no sweat. if you had piles of money they'd actually make an excellent street tire. :devil:
I don't know about the new ecsta V700, we'll find out this year assuming they finally got the production sorted out.
225/50-16s definitely fit on stock class WRX sedans, I've seen it. I don't know about your wagon, the fender openings are a bit smaller.
| p-car | 12-20-2001 10:20 PM |
Coati - make sure that running R compound tires won't bump you out of stock class in San Diego.
I'd recommend learning to drive on street tires if this is your first season. Something like Bridgestone S03's work well.
Race rubber sticks well and you will be doing yourself a disservice not to improve your car handling skills at the lower speeds on regular tires first. Especially if you plan to do big track events in the future - having your car break loose at 100mph is exciting when you've practiced at lower speeds, it can be dangerous if you haven't.
john
I'd recommend learning to drive on street tires if this is your first season. Something like Bridgestone S03's work well.
Race rubber sticks well and you will be doing yourself a disservice not to improve your car handling skills at the lower speeds on regular tires first. Especially if you plan to do big track events in the future - having your car break loose at 100mph is exciting when you've practiced at lower speeds, it can be dangerous if you haven't.
john
| Coati | 12-21-2001 11:08 AM |
Thanks for those good tips, folks!:)
[QUOTE]a set of kumho victoracer v700s would last the season. well a Kansas season-- in SD you could probably have an autocross in January. [/QUOTE]
Actually the first event of the season is 1/20/02:D
[QUOTE]225/50-16s definitely fit on stock class WRX sedans, I've seen it. I don't know about your wagon, the fender openings are a bit smaller[/QUOTE]
Hmmm... there's a thought. Time for some research in the suspension/tire forum on that one.
[QUOTE]I'd recommend learning to drive on street tires if this is your first season. [/QUOTE]
First season with AWD, but I used to be a teenage dirtbag autocrosser in the 80s. I had a ~75hp '82 Scirocco and only enough cash for two good tires, so I ran 175/70-13 Yoko A001Rs on the front and Michelin XZX on the back. If you dont know what an XZX is, let's just say those no-season pieces of poo made RE-92s look great in all conditions.:alien:
This was a good setup until you lost the back end, and then it was unrecoverable. Made life very entertaining.
[QUOTE]a set of kumho victoracer v700s would last the season. well a Kansas season-- in SD you could probably have an autocross in January. [/QUOTE]
Actually the first event of the season is 1/20/02:D
[QUOTE]225/50-16s definitely fit on stock class WRX sedans, I've seen it. I don't know about your wagon, the fender openings are a bit smaller[/QUOTE]
Hmmm... there's a thought. Time for some research in the suspension/tire forum on that one.
[QUOTE]I'd recommend learning to drive on street tires if this is your first season. [/QUOTE]
First season with AWD, but I used to be a teenage dirtbag autocrosser in the 80s. I had a ~75hp '82 Scirocco and only enough cash for two good tires, so I ran 175/70-13 Yoko A001Rs on the front and Michelin XZX on the back. If you dont know what an XZX is, let's just say those no-season pieces of poo made RE-92s look great in all conditions.:alien:
This was a good setup until you lost the back end, and then it was unrecoverable. Made life very entertaining.
| ChrisW | 12-21-2001 01:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Coati [/i]
[B]Okay, slight modification to the previous selection criteria:
Novice driver, stock class wagon with stock struts.
Tires will be driven ~25mi to and ~25mi back from the auto-x each time.
Would like to get 1 full season of autocrossing out of the set.
Unless there are real extremes, price is not a factor.
Falken? Yoko? Kumho? xxx?
Also, I noticed some other sizes besides 205/55 were recommended. Any thoughts on that? [/B][/QUOTE]
If cost is no object I would go for a separete set of rims for street tires, then use the stockers for autoX, but that's just me.
If all your driving it <30mi just get Kumos V700s. They are DOT approved, and when events are within this distance I just swap to the race tires and drive to the event on them. I know of others that drive further on kumos, but that adds unnessesary tire wear.
If you go with dedicated race rims, I would try a 225 in the front (where it's needed and where it fits), and the 205 in the rear. The Acura TypeR folks do that in my region.
[B]Okay, slight modification to the previous selection criteria:
Novice driver, stock class wagon with stock struts.
Tires will be driven ~25mi to and ~25mi back from the auto-x each time.
Would like to get 1 full season of autocrossing out of the set.
Unless there are real extremes, price is not a factor.
Falken? Yoko? Kumho? xxx?
Also, I noticed some other sizes besides 205/55 were recommended. Any thoughts on that? [/B][/QUOTE]
If cost is no object I would go for a separete set of rims for street tires, then use the stockers for autoX, but that's just me.
If all your driving it <30mi just get Kumos V700s. They are DOT approved, and when events are within this distance I just swap to the race tires and drive to the event on them. I know of others that drive further on kumos, but that adds unnessesary tire wear.
If you go with dedicated race rims, I would try a 225 in the front (where it's needed and where it fits), and the 205 in the rear. The Acura TypeR folks do that in my region.
| Coati | 12-21-2001 01:06 PM |
Yeah, I'm gonna pick up another set of stock rims this weekend. From what I've read, Kumhos in 225/50-16 all around might be the way to go (ECSTA or not, I still dont know), since KC has fit them on his wagon with no problems.
Going asymmetric with F/R size makes me nervous, since I'll also be driving them to the event, and it would also preclude my rotating the tires to eek out a little more tread life.
Going asymmetric with F/R size makes me nervous, since I'll also be driving them to the event, and it would also preclude my rotating the tires to eek out a little more tread life.
| ChrisW | 12-22-2001 11:18 AM |
Well, my advice is if KC has mounted a 225 on his rims with no problems, then you should do the same. I would stick with Victoracers, Let someone else be a ginny pig.
Không có nhận xét nào:
Đăng nhận xét