| del105 | 08-12-2004 12:37 PM |
best tire for DS 03 wrx
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My girlfriend just got a WRX and I was thinking of running it in DS. What would be the best tire? Would a 255/50/16 A3S04 fit?
| Draken | 08-12-2004 12:42 PM |
Most people ran the 225/50-16 for NTs, and the shorty 215/40-16 for Pros. This was the S03 Hoosier.
The 255/50-16 will up your gearing, which could be hurtful for some events, and I have no idea if they will clear the rear struts without spacers.
Chris H.
The 255/50-16 will up your gearing, which could be hurtful for some events, and I have no idea if they will clear the rear struts without spacers.
Chris H.
| 04RedWRX | 08-12-2004 12:56 PM |
OK I'll Ask the Obvious Question
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Why differernt size between Nationial and Pro? Is it due to a differance in course design between the two 2 series?
Thanks
Bruce
Why differernt size between Nationial and Pro? Is it due to a differance in course design between the two 2 series?
Thanks
Bruce
| leecea | 08-12-2004 01:00 PM |
Since you can't get enough neg camber in stock, it seems like I'm cornering on the outside 4-5 inches of my 225s and the rest is dead weight except for braking. Does going wider even help?
| jmott | 08-12-2004 01:12 PM |
[QUOTE=leecea]Since you can't get enough neg camber in stock, it seems like I'm cornering on the outside 4-5 inches of my 225s and the rest is dead weight except for braking. Does going wider even help?[/QUOTE]
yes, always =)
yes, always =)
| Rebellion | 08-12-2004 01:34 PM |
255 is way too wide for a 6.5" wheel.
size difference between pro and national is because of pro's drag style starts. want the smaller diameter for better acceleration.
size difference between pro and national is because of pro's drag style starts. want the smaller diameter for better acceleration.
| del105 | 08-12-2004 01:59 PM |
Thats to bad, my neighbor has a set of the 255/50/16's in his garage, it would have been alot cheaper.
| jmott | 08-12-2004 02:01 PM |
[QUOTE=del105]Thats to bad, my neighbor has a set of the 255/50/16's in his garage, it would have been alot cheaper.[/QUOTE]
this for your gf to run or you?
youve got a much more fun autox car.
this for your gf to run or you?
youve got a much more fun autox car.
| del105 | 08-12-2004 04:37 PM |
No, I'm going to run it.
| Zuffy | 08-12-2004 04:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Rebellion]255 is way too wide for a 6.5" wheel.
size difference between pro and national is because of pro's drag style starts. want the smaller diameter for better acceleration.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Even the 225/50/16's look squished on the very narrow 6.5" stock rim... sigh.
size difference between pro and national is because of pro's drag style starts. want the smaller diameter for better acceleration.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Even the 225/50/16's look squished on the very narrow 6.5" stock rim... sigh.
| kwh29 | 08-12-2004 05:13 PM |
I doubt the 255 would even be mountable on the stock wheel.
However, for 95% of the cars I've ever driven or seen wider is better even when the tire is squished on the rim in the most ugly way. (think 225/45/13 Hoosier A3S03 on 5" CRX wheel)
Oh, you should be able to search for about 100 other threads on this same subject. There was one a few months back that got input from just about everyone who has ever driven a WRX in Stock.
--Kevin H.
However, for 95% of the cars I've ever driven or seen wider is better even when the tire is squished on the rim in the most ugly way. (think 225/45/13 Hoosier A3S03 on 5" CRX wheel)
Oh, you should be able to search for about 100 other threads on this same subject. There was one a few months back that got input from just about everyone who has ever driven a WRX in Stock.
--Kevin H.
| cooleyjb | 08-12-2004 05:52 PM |
Buy good shocks
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I had some hoosiers 225/50 on my wagon before my current STX upgrade. They were nice but the lack of suspension really took a LOT away from the tire. The tires corded on the outside edge way before teh inside was close.
joe
joe
| leecea | 08-12-2004 09:42 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb]I had some hoosiers 225/50 on my wagon before my current STX upgrade. They were nice but the lack of suspension really took a LOT away from the tire. The tires corded on the outside edge way before teh inside was close.
joe[/QUOTE]
Can you flip Hoosiers to use both edges?
joe[/QUOTE]
Can you flip Hoosiers to use both edges?
| cooleyjb | 08-12-2004 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE=leecea]Can you flip Hoosiers to use both edges?[/QUOTE]
You could but they corded on me when I didn't expect them too. sounds weird I know but I came in from a run and the tires had a pretty good amount of cord showing right on the outer edge.
Part of it was stock alignment. Part of it was 225 on a 6.5" rim and part of it was the soft sticky tire. They only last so long. That's why I think that the best thing to do for DS is shocks. You'll get the tires to do much better for you and last longer.
joe
You could but they corded on me when I didn't expect them too. sounds weird I know but I came in from a run and the tires had a pretty good amount of cord showing right on the outer edge.
Part of it was stock alignment. Part of it was 225 on a 6.5" rim and part of it was the soft sticky tire. They only last so long. That's why I think that the best thing to do for DS is shocks. You'll get the tires to do much better for you and last longer.
joe
| leecea | 08-12-2004 11:29 PM |
Thanks. I'm wondering about changing to Hoosiers next year (Victoracers are the current choice). I have Konis, though I wasn't aware that they'd help with tire wear.
| Storm | 08-13-2004 12:06 AM |
255s will go on the stock wheels. It may not be(even close to)ideal, but the extra width is a benefit just the same. You're gonna be killing the outside edges with a stock alignment no matter what tire you put on, so save money and get your neighbors tires (or give me his email addy). Shocks will help you immensely in the handling dept. but you're stuck with whatever camber adjustment you get by horsing the knuckle in on the eccentric bolts up front. Having said all that, 225s would be a better choice. The Kumho will last longer than the Hoosier, but the Hoosier will grip better. Depending on the driving style and experience level....you may not see much difference between the two other than price.
Jay Storm
Jay Storm
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-13-2004 02:40 AM |
Okay. Here's the deal. If you want to be FAST get the 215/40-16 Hoosiers. Ask Tom Hoppe what he thinks of them. If you want tires that last and you just want to play and you are not concerned about winning go for the 225/50 Kumhos. You can do well on the Kumhos (I did) but you'll most certainly be faster on the 215/40's. The gearing difference just ROCKS. I've been promoting the 215/40's to Andre Downey and Mr. Leece for a while now. I hope one of them does it soon. They might have a chance of keeping up with my Type R then. :D
Dave
Former DS WRX driver now in an ITR
Dave
Former DS WRX driver now in an ITR
| anti.team | 08-13-2004 07:30 AM |
Who carries that 215/40-16? TireRack doesn't seem to have it in the A3S04.
| KC | 08-13-2004 07:45 AM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]Former DS WRX driver now in an ITR[/QUOTE]
Traitore!!! (Or... can't beat 'em... join 'em) :D
--kC
Spent years fighting against the ITR with the 2.5RS and the WRX....
Traitore!!! (Or... can't beat 'em... join 'em) :D
--kC
Spent years fighting against the ITR with the 2.5RS and the WRX....
| leecea | 08-13-2004 10:12 AM |
Dave has hit the nail on the head with his comments about the ITRs (and SRT4s) that seem to dominate DS.
I know I have lots to learn, and that's the biggest thing right now, but it does seem that the WRX is less competitive than the other DS choices once you go up against good drivers.
If I thought that Hoosiers, in whatever size, would put my car on an equal footing, it would be a pretty simple decision. What I think will happen is that it will move me a few tenths closer to the leaders but will not bring the car to parity.
So, for example, I can save money with Kumhos and lose by 1 sec or spend money on Hoosiers to lose by 0.75 secs! It's harder to see the point of spending the money in that situation.
I know I have lots to learn, and that's the biggest thing right now, but it does seem that the WRX is less competitive than the other DS choices once you go up against good drivers.
If I thought that Hoosiers, in whatever size, would put my car on an equal footing, it would be a pretty simple decision. What I think will happen is that it will move me a few tenths closer to the leaders but will not bring the car to parity.
So, for example, I can save money with Kumhos and lose by 1 sec or spend money on Hoosiers to lose by 0.75 secs! It's harder to see the point of spending the money in that situation.
| anti.team | 08-13-2004 10:20 AM |
Yes, but this brings up the question: If you plan to autocross your daily driver, should you give that a large consideration when looking to purchase it? I guess a better way to word it would be: Should you turn down a car that would be a better daily driver in order to have a better autocross car?
It certainly was a factor for me when I was looking around and finally bought my WRX.
It certainly was a factor for me when I was looking around and finally bought my WRX.
| leecea | 08-13-2004 11:08 AM |
Here is the sequence that I went through:
1) I really want a WRX, it is so cool. :)
2) What is this autox? Maybe I'll try it.
3) Wow, autox is great. I want to do it a lot, just for fun. :banana:
4) Damn, now I'm addicted and must do better.
5) How the heck do those guys go so fast? I'll never catch them. :(
6) I guess the WRX is the wrong car for DS. Now what? STX? 89 Civic? :confused:
7) How much more money can I spend before my wife goes postal?
1) I really want a WRX, it is so cool. :)
2) What is this autox? Maybe I'll try it.
3) Wow, autox is great. I want to do it a lot, just for fun. :banana:
4) Damn, now I'm addicted and must do better.
5) How the heck do those guys go so fast? I'll never catch them. :(
6) I guess the WRX is the wrong car for DS. Now what? STX? 89 Civic? :confused:
7) How much more money can I spend before my wife goes postal?
| kwh29 | 08-13-2004 11:48 AM |
Well except when it rains (or if your local sites have a sucky surface) the WRX can win DS no problem. And Pros the WRX is much much closer, particularly to the ITR. The #$%^ 330Ci is flat out faster though. Too bad Subaru never actually delivered any of the port installed 17" wheels. That would have levelled the playing field a lot.
The other option of course is STX where the WRX is more or less the benchmark car. Or ESP and amuse yourself fighting ponycars, Winchell, and mullets. :D
--Kevin H.
The other option of course is STX where the WRX is more or less the benchmark car. Or ESP and amuse yourself fighting ponycars, Winchell, and mullets. :D
--Kevin H.
| KC | 08-13-2004 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE=kwh29]ponycars, Winchell, and mullets. :D
--Kevin H.[/QUOTE]
Is that like "One bourbon, one scotch, one beer"? :)
--kC
--Kevin H.[/QUOTE]
Is that like "One bourbon, one scotch, one beer"? :)
--kC
| jmott | 08-13-2004 01:18 PM |
unless you have some national champ contenders in ITRs in your region, the WRX will do fine as a DS car. you just gotta develop ninjas skillz
| Robin2 | 08-13-2004 02:15 PM |
for the 215/40's... no prob in mounting them on the stock wrx rims?
I had posted about this size in the tire forum but it didn't go anywhere.....
I'm on 225-50-16 on my RS wheels but I have 2 sets of WRX wheels also.... I could use either if rim width is an issue....
so the 215-40's fit on the 6.5" or 7" wide rim (16's) or both....
tks
Robin
I had posted about this size in the tire forum but it didn't go anywhere.....
I'm on 225-50-16 on my RS wheels but I have 2 sets of WRX wheels also.... I could use either if rim width is an issue....
so the 215-40's fit on the 6.5" or 7" wide rim (16's) or both....
tks
Robin
| leecea | 08-13-2004 04:03 PM |
The Hoosier web site says 7.5"-9" for the 215s and 7"-9" for the 225s. I know people put the 225s on, but I've not seen the 215s on stock rims.
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-13-2004 08:39 PM |
They fit on the stockers dudes. They are a pain in the butt to put on, but they do fit. Here's the dealio for driving the WRX fast in stock form. Other than the obvious "go to Evo school" notes here are some to follow.
#1. Sticky rubber, preferably 215/40 Hoosiers
#2. BFFSB. BIG FU***** front sway bar
#3. KONIS
#4. Be patient. There was a great thread somewhere on driving techniques for FWD, AWD and RWD lines. The deal is with the WRX is you MUST be smooth and do more turning earlier. You cannot overdrive this car and expect to be fast. I'm talking starting to turn when you think you shouldn't. Your movement of the steering wheel should be very minute at first and then feed in a lot more steering. Before you apex mash the gas, when you apex unwind the wheel quickly to un-bind the drivetrain. Trail braking really helps the car too. Also when you are driving try to keep your foot on the gas all of the time (learn to left foot brake). If you lose manifold pressure (boost) you have to build it again so don't let it go away.
That is what worked for me anyway.
I am sure KC, Mike and Tom Hoppe could add a lot more but we have all beat this horse many times.
Dave
#1. Sticky rubber, preferably 215/40 Hoosiers
#2. BFFSB. BIG FU***** front sway bar
#3. KONIS
#4. Be patient. There was a great thread somewhere on driving techniques for FWD, AWD and RWD lines. The deal is with the WRX is you MUST be smooth and do more turning earlier. You cannot overdrive this car and expect to be fast. I'm talking starting to turn when you think you shouldn't. Your movement of the steering wheel should be very minute at first and then feed in a lot more steering. Before you apex mash the gas, when you apex unwind the wheel quickly to un-bind the drivetrain. Trail braking really helps the car too. Also when you are driving try to keep your foot on the gas all of the time (learn to left foot brake). If you lose manifold pressure (boost) you have to build it again so don't let it go away.
That is what worked for me anyway.
I am sure KC, Mike and Tom Hoppe could add a lot more but we have all beat this horse many times.
Dave
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-13-2004 08:43 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Traitore!!! (Or... can't beat 'em... join 'em) :D
--kC
Spent years fighting against the ITR with the 2.5RS and the WRX....[/QUOTE]
Yeah. It was tough. What tipped me over the edge was winning an event in the WRX by .4 sec. Then I drove one of my competitors Type R's and beat my time by over a second. I was like; hmmmmm.... :alien:
Dave
Who is co-driving a MR2 in ES at Nationals this year so I can get beat up in a RWD class too. I'll answer it for you.....YES I am a car whore. :D
--kC
Spent years fighting against the ITR with the 2.5RS and the WRX....[/QUOTE]
Yeah. It was tough. What tipped me over the edge was winning an event in the WRX by .4 sec. Then I drove one of my competitors Type R's and beat my time by over a second. I was like; hmmmmm.... :alien:
Dave
Who is co-driving a MR2 in ES at Nationals this year so I can get beat up in a RWD class too. I'll answer it for you.....YES I am a car whore. :D
| del105 | 08-13-2004 09:07 PM |
This wrx isn't for national or even divisional competition. I just wanted to try out a DS car regionally and see how I fare. I'm also hopping driving my girlfriends car will get he excited about auto-x. I'm still working toward a national level STU car because if/when the STi gets moved to BSP thats where their all going to go. I ordered a set of 215/40/16 and as they sound like a excellent fit.
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-14-2004 12:19 AM |
You are going to have a blast with the car. Enjoy!
Dave
Dave
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