| Natoe | 01-20-2006 08:01 PM |
Cheap rallycross suspension help?
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well id like to be able to rallycross my 95 impreza, i have enough power starting out, but my suspension is all stock crap right now. (just wrx wheels, brakes, and rear disc conversion)
no way can i afford any kinda coilover, but what is a good shock/spring combo for rallycross? i want it to improve handling on street overall but be able to endure some rallycross. "ride quality" doesnt matter to me. thanks a bunch!
no way can i afford any kinda coilover, but what is a good shock/spring combo for rallycross? i want it to improve handling on street overall but be able to endure some rallycross. "ride quality" doesnt matter to me. thanks a bunch!
| Sean | 01-20-2006 08:04 PM |
Struts: KYB GR-2 ($58/each from [url]www.tirerack.com[/url])
Springs: MY96 or higher stock Impreza L or MY98 or higher stock Impreza Outback Sport
The stock MY96+ L springs and the MY98+ OBS springs give you a nice lift. I rallycrossed the [url=http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/content/view/19/51/]Trunkmonkey Pink Impreza[/url] for two years on that setup and still use the KYB GR-2 setup for ice racing when I don't want to deal with cleaning the DMS 50s. :)
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Springs: MY96 or higher stock Impreza L or MY98 or higher stock Impreza Outback Sport
The stock MY96+ L springs and the MY98+ OBS springs give you a nice lift. I rallycrossed the [url=http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/content/view/19/51/]Trunkmonkey Pink Impreza[/url] for two years on that setup and still use the KYB GR-2 setup for ice racing when I don't want to deal with cleaning the DMS 50s. :)
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| iownaspec | 01-20-2006 08:06 PM |
i have my stock 05 outback sport springs laying around in my closet.
| Sean | 01-20-2006 08:07 PM |
Here's the ride height of the rally car on the KYB GR-2 with stock MY96 L springs plus the added weight of a roll cage:
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| Natoe | 01-20-2006 08:14 PM |
sweet, my next question was going to be if stock springs would work since lowering would be stupid. you say 96+ L springs, what about my 1995 springs? are they lower or something? or lesser spring rate?
thanks guys!
it looks like the GR2's at tirerack are 75 bucks a peice... hmm, i thought i had seen them for cheaper somewhere?
thanks guys!
it looks like the GR2's at tirerack are 75 bucks a peice... hmm, i thought i had seen them for cheaper somewhere?
| Rally_wgn | 01-20-2006 08:52 PM |
check ebay for the KYB's i paid $400 shipped for my AGX's GR2's were closer to $50 each
| Sean | 01-20-2006 08:55 PM |
Assuming your MY95 is AWD price out the KYB GR-2 for an MY98-MY01 Impreza 2.5 RS. Exact same strut for $58 instead of $75 assuming their prices haven't changed. Dunno why they charge more for the older L strut when it's the same part number.
If you have an FWD then you're stuck paying the higher price because the rear FWD strut is longer than the rear AWD strut.
Actually, scratch that MY96+ comment about the springs...now that I think about it I believe that it may be MY93-MY96 that the spring is taller. So your MY95 springs should work fine. :)
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If you have an FWD then you're stuck paying the higher price because the rear FWD strut is longer than the rear AWD strut.
Actually, scratch that MY96+ comment about the springs...now that I think about it I believe that it may be MY93-MY96 that the spring is taller. So your MY95 springs should work fine. :)
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| Natoe | 01-20-2006 10:00 PM |
hmm well tirerack must have jacked their prices cuz right now its all at 72 bucks, my car is FWD but im doing an AWD conversion so thats what ill be buying.
[url]http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=subaru+impreza+kyb&category0=[/url]
those seem like decent price... about 58x4 plus shipping
how firm are they with stock springs?
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those seem like decent price... about 58x4 plus shipping
how firm are they with stock springs?
| mike270 | 01-20-2006 11:22 PM |
I run AGX's with V7 STi springs. I have been very happy with their performance. Didn't lower the car at all (except for possibly a slight drop in the rear) and noticibly stiffened the ride up. Performs very well at rallycrosses and significantly improved driving around town. Best part is the STi springs can be had for ~80 bucks shipped.
| Natoe | 01-21-2006 12:03 AM |
80 bucks shipped for your 2002? do they make them for a GC..? i thought the sti pinks were really expensive!
| mike270 | 01-21-2006 12:53 AM |
They were used springs I got from [url]www.jdmpartstx.com[/url] awhile ago. They were OEM takeoffs from a JDM STi. I would think you could make them work but I could be wrong. I'm not sure about all the compatability issues. Hopefully someone that knows more about GC's could answer?
| Fred | 01-21-2006 05:45 PM |
here's another option...
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=920116[/url]
I was using GR2's and did pretty well with them, but the STi suspension is working a lot better, especially with rally tires.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=920116[/url]
I was using GR2's and did pretty well with them, but the STi suspension is working a lot better, especially with rally tires.
| Natoe | 01-21-2006 09:41 PM |
awesome! i was having trouble finding the other threads that describe the sti swap in more detail, do you have those links? thanks again for reading my mind, that was another thing i was wondering about.
it seems like you would need the WHOLE suspension, including the multilink rear? and control arms?
thanks again, so the sti swap allows you to buy any suspension components for an 04+ sti? even rear sway bar?
it seems like you would need the WHOLE suspension, including the multilink rear? and control arms?
thanks again, so the sti swap allows you to buy any suspension components for an 04+ sti? even rear sway bar?
| Fred | 01-22-2006 10:29 AM |
don't know about all that, just swapped the struts and springs
| BrysImpreza | 01-22-2006 11:08 AM |
lotusTT has a REALLY nice set-up for sale CHEAP. SPT Springs and KYB AGX's
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=924765[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=924765[/url]
| Pakin | 01-22-2006 11:10 AM |
The struts should bolt on by themselves except for rear topmounts.
Fred, did you notice any changes with ride height when you swapped between the STi and Stock?
And are the GR2's inverted?
-paK +2
Fred, did you notice any changes with ride height when you swapped between the STi and Stock?
And are the GR2's inverted?
-paK +2
| silver04rs | 01-22-2006 03:58 PM |
I vote all stock everything with a biger rear sway bar....... This is a great set up and helps the car turn in much better at lower speeds
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Since these shots I have switched to Tokicko D-Specs, They work great but I was just as happy with my stock struts. Whoever said to put a taller spring on is an idiot. all thats going to do is make your car ride toped out on the strut and give it much more body roll
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Since these shots I have switched to Tokicko D-Specs, They work great but I was just as happy with my stock struts. Whoever said to put a taller spring on is an idiot. all thats going to do is make your car ride toped out on the strut and give it much more body roll
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| Stealth_RS | 01-22-2006 04:22 PM |
well travis knows whats hes talking about oh yeah!!
| Natoe | 01-22-2006 07:51 PM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]I vote all stock everything with a biger rear sway bar....... This is a great set up and helps the car turn in much better at lower speeds
Since these shots I have switched to Tokicko D-Specs, They work great but I was just as happy with my stock struts. Whoever said to put a taller spring on is an idiot. all thats going to do is make your car ride toped out on the strut and give it much more body roll
Travis- the gravel crew
[url]www.gcrallyx.com[/url][/QUOTE]
i thought about trying it with stock suspension to save some money, but do you ever bottom out..? i dont think he meant to say "raise" with those springs, he said to keep the stock ones from an L, which is what your suggesting too. im guessing your 04 RS has way better stock suspension than my 95 L anyways, so im not sure. thats why im considering sti suspension if its not too spendy.
with a rear sway bar, ive heard of people even taking off their front sway bar for rallies? it seems that would help with turn in and throttle steer i guess.
Since these shots I have switched to Tokicko D-Specs, They work great but I was just as happy with my stock struts. Whoever said to put a taller spring on is an idiot. all thats going to do is make your car ride toped out on the strut and give it much more body roll
Travis- the gravel crew
[url]www.gcrallyx.com[/url][/QUOTE]
i thought about trying it with stock suspension to save some money, but do you ever bottom out..? i dont think he meant to say "raise" with those springs, he said to keep the stock ones from an L, which is what your suggesting too. im guessing your 04 RS has way better stock suspension than my 95 L anyways, so im not sure. thats why im considering sti suspension if its not too spendy.
with a rear sway bar, ive heard of people even taking off their front sway bar for rallies? it seems that would help with turn in and throttle steer i guess.
| Sean | 01-22-2006 10:54 PM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]Whoever said to put a taller spring on is an idiot. all thats going to do is make your car ride toped out on the strut and give it much more body roll[/QUOTE]
Travis,
Thank you for calling me an idiot. I was sure an idiot when I was winning rallycrosses and ice races using the taller stock L springs on the KYB GR-2s to get more ground clearance. A stock spring is a stock spring...the stock spring I chose just happened to give me as much ground clearance as possible. Or is dragging your underbody across rocks a performance modification that you recommend?
I guess I'm also an idiot for squeezing as much ride height as legally possible out of my DMS 50s to clear the cantaloupe-sized rocks at Maine Forest Rally. Oh, that's right, I finished the event to take third place in class on day 2 while other teams DNFed due to damage. Not bad for my first ProRally in a non-turbo Impreza 2.2 L.
I realize that you Gravel Crew guys out West have amazing groomed rally parks to play around in with perfectly graded mini-stages. But out here in New England our gravel parking lot and gravel pit rallycrosses routinely kick up huge rocks that I'd rather not hit even with my dual-layer skid plates.
So thanks again for calling me an idiot. I really appreciate it.
- Sean Sosik-Hamor (Driver, 762 PGT Trunkmonkey Pink Impreza)
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Travis,
Thank you for calling me an idiot. I was sure an idiot when I was winning rallycrosses and ice races using the taller stock L springs on the KYB GR-2s to get more ground clearance. A stock spring is a stock spring...the stock spring I chose just happened to give me as much ground clearance as possible. Or is dragging your underbody across rocks a performance modification that you recommend?
I guess I'm also an idiot for squeezing as much ride height as legally possible out of my DMS 50s to clear the cantaloupe-sized rocks at Maine Forest Rally. Oh, that's right, I finished the event to take third place in class on day 2 while other teams DNFed due to damage. Not bad for my first ProRally in a non-turbo Impreza 2.2 L.
I realize that you Gravel Crew guys out West have amazing groomed rally parks to play around in with perfectly graded mini-stages. But out here in New England our gravel parking lot and gravel pit rallycrosses routinely kick up huge rocks that I'd rather not hit even with my dual-layer skid plates.
So thanks again for calling me an idiot. I really appreciate it.
- Sean Sosik-Hamor (Driver, 762 PGT Trunkmonkey Pink Impreza)
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| Natoe | 01-22-2006 11:02 PM |
yeah that was kind of rude. it seems you would not want to lower ANY rally car, i know that and all ive done is "tear up" some logging roads in my FWD impreza :lol: :lol: :lol: and yeah i hit rocks without a skidplate :rolleyes:
if its a stock spring, but is higher than its not going to raise it enough to top out the strut... its still a STOCK spring.
when im done with my awd swap, ill be looking at either GR2's with stock springs, MAYBE AGX's, or possibly an sti suspension swap? i need to research that more. thanks for all the info guys
if its a stock spring, but is higher than its not going to raise it enough to top out the strut... its still a STOCK spring.
when im done with my awd swap, ill be looking at either GR2's with stock springs, MAYBE AGX's, or possibly an sti suspension swap? i need to research that more. thanks for all the info guys
| Sean | 01-22-2006 11:13 PM |
Also, before the DMS 50s went on the rally car, I tried various suspension combinations. The 2.5 RS strut/spring combo was nice but the KYB GR-2 and stock taller Impreza L spring was the best compromise I found between handling and ground clearance for both rallycross and ice racing in rough New England conditions.
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| silver04rs | 01-22-2006 11:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Natoe]i thought about trying it with stock suspension to save some money, but do you ever bottom out..? i dont think he meant to say "raise" with those springs, he said to keep the stock ones from an L, which is what your suggesting too. im guessing your 04 RS has way better stock suspension than my 95 L anyways, so im not sure. thats why im considering sti suspension if its not too spendy.
with a rear sway bar, ive heard of people even taking off their front sway bar for rallies? it seems that would help with turn in and throttle steer i guess.[/QUOTE]
yes i do bottom out when the tracks get rough but i feel having the softer valving is to my/your advantage on a low speed track. honestly just go out there with what you have and have a good time. Rally-X comes down to driver skill not power. ya it makes a big difference in the top classes but right now just get out there and kick up some dirt!!
[QUOTE=Sean]Travis,
Thank you for calling me an idiot. I was sure an idiot when I was winning rallycrosses and ice races using the taller stock L springs on the KYB GR-2s to get more ground clearance. A stock spring is a stock spring...the stock spring I chose just happened to give me as much ground clearance as possible. Or is dragging your underbody across rocks a performance modification that you recommend?
I guess I'm also an idiot for squeezing as much ride height as legally possible out of my DMS 50s to clear the cantaloupe-sized rocks at Maine Forest Rally. Oh, that's right, I finished the event to take third place in class on day 2 while other teams DNFed due to damage. Not bad for my first ProRally in a non-turbo Impreza 2.2 L.
I realize that you Gravel Crew guys out West have amazing groomed rally parks to play around in with perfectly graded mini-stages. But out here in New England our gravel parking lot and gravel pit rallycrosses routinely kick up huge rocks that I'd rather not hit even with my dual-layer skid plates.
So thanks again for calling me an idiot. I really appreciate it.
- Sean Sosik-Hamor (Driver, 762 PGT Trunkmonkey Pink Impreza)
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first off im sorry for what I said..... Ive driven a L that was on forester springs at a rally-X and it felt like the mirrors were dragging on the ground in tighter switchbacks. Im sure that having them on a stiffer strut would make a big difference
also his question was based on a rally-X set up not a stage rally with jumps, rocks and other things which would require more clearance. the person that took 3rd overall in 4WD open for CRS was on prodrive springs, which are lower than stock yet did great
and props to you for doing real stage rally, As for now I can only dream
Travis- the gravel crew
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with a rear sway bar, ive heard of people even taking off their front sway bar for rallies? it seems that would help with turn in and throttle steer i guess.[/QUOTE]
yes i do bottom out when the tracks get rough but i feel having the softer valving is to my/your advantage on a low speed track. honestly just go out there with what you have and have a good time. Rally-X comes down to driver skill not power. ya it makes a big difference in the top classes but right now just get out there and kick up some dirt!!
[QUOTE=Sean]Travis,
Thank you for calling me an idiot. I was sure an idiot when I was winning rallycrosses and ice races using the taller stock L springs on the KYB GR-2s to get more ground clearance. A stock spring is a stock spring...the stock spring I chose just happened to give me as much ground clearance as possible. Or is dragging your underbody across rocks a performance modification that you recommend?
I guess I'm also an idiot for squeezing as much ride height as legally possible out of my DMS 50s to clear the cantaloupe-sized rocks at Maine Forest Rally. Oh, that's right, I finished the event to take third place in class on day 2 while other teams DNFed due to damage. Not bad for my first ProRally in a non-turbo Impreza 2.2 L.
I realize that you Gravel Crew guys out West have amazing groomed rally parks to play around in with perfectly graded mini-stages. But out here in New England our gravel parking lot and gravel pit rallycrosses routinely kick up huge rocks that I'd rather not hit even with my dual-layer skid plates.
So thanks again for calling me an idiot. I really appreciate it.
- Sean Sosik-Hamor (Driver, 762 PGT Trunkmonkey Pink Impreza)
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first off im sorry for what I said..... Ive driven a L that was on forester springs at a rally-X and it felt like the mirrors were dragging on the ground in tighter switchbacks. Im sure that having them on a stiffer strut would make a big difference
also his question was based on a rally-X set up not a stage rally with jumps, rocks and other things which would require more clearance. the person that took 3rd overall in 4WD open for CRS was on prodrive springs, which are lower than stock yet did great
and props to you for doing real stage rally, As for now I can only dream
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[url]www.gcrallyx.com[/url]
| Sean | 01-22-2006 11:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Natoe]if its a stock spring, but is higher than its not going to raise it enough to top out the strut... its still a STOCK spring.[/quote]
Precisely. Stock is stock and I just settled on a stock spring from a different year. I know the older Impreza L and the newer Impreza L have different ride heights after seeing various stock Ls show up at events. I forget exactly where the model year cutoff is but when I was on the GR-2 and taller stock L springs I rarely bottomed out or got high-centered while ice racing while the newer lower Ls and 2.5 RSs were constantly scraping rocks and beaching on snowbanks.
[QUOTE=Natoe]when im done with my awd swap, ill be looking at either GR2's with stock springs, MAYBE AGX's, or possibly an sti suspension swap? i need to research that more. thanks for all the info guys[/QUOTE]
I don't know if the AGX build quality has gotten better but there have been numerous complaints in New England with rallycrossers blowing up AGXs. I've heard just as many guys having great luck with them but figured I'd just toss out the concern.
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Precisely. Stock is stock and I just settled on a stock spring from a different year. I know the older Impreza L and the newer Impreza L have different ride heights after seeing various stock Ls show up at events. I forget exactly where the model year cutoff is but when I was on the GR-2 and taller stock L springs I rarely bottomed out or got high-centered while ice racing while the newer lower Ls and 2.5 RSs were constantly scraping rocks and beaching on snowbanks.
[QUOTE=Natoe]when im done with my awd swap, ill be looking at either GR2's with stock springs, MAYBE AGX's, or possibly an sti suspension swap? i need to research that more. thanks for all the info guys[/QUOTE]
I don't know if the AGX build quality has gotten better but there have been numerous complaints in New England with rallycrossers blowing up AGXs. I've heard just as many guys having great luck with them but figured I'd just toss out the concern.
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| Sean | 01-22-2006 11:44 PM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]honestly just go out there with what you have and have a good time. Rally-X comes down to driver skill not power. ya it makes a big difference in the top classes but right now just get out there and kick up some dirt!![/quote]
Definitely! :lol: One of the reasons for my el-cheapo suggestion to his el-cheapo question. Skill trumps power...especially in low-speed conditions.
[QUOTE=silver04rs]first off im sorry for what I said..... Ive driven a L that was on forester springs at a rally-X and it felt like the mirrors were dragging on the ground in tighter switchbacks. Im sure that having them on a stiffer strut would make a big difference[/quote]
Yes. Forester springs on an L equals a bouncy almost uncontrollable ride. But the taller springs I suggested were taller stock springs for the same weight and model car; just a different model year.
[QUOTE=silver04rs]also his question was based on a rally-X set up not a stage rally with jumps, rocks and other things which would require more clearance.[/quote]
And I gave him a suggestion based on my experience with New England rallycross conditions that [b]do[/b] have rocks and other things which require more clearance. There's nothing quite as satisfying as working a corner at a rallycross and pulling out a rock that requires [b]four[/b] people to move. As much ground clearance as possible has always been an advantage at every New England rallycross I've ever driven at.
[QUOTE=silver04rs]the person that took 3rd overall in 4WD open for CRS was on prodrive springs, which are lower than stock yet did great[/quote]
I've seen video of GCRallyX and CRS events...very smooth amazing conditions that I'm absolutely jealous of! Some of our rallycrosses use boulders in lieu of cones. ;)
[QUOTE=silver04rs]and props to you for doing real stage rally, As for now I can only dream[/QUOTE]
Werd. Thanks. You'll get there... :)
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Definitely! :lol: One of the reasons for my el-cheapo suggestion to his el-cheapo question. Skill trumps power...especially in low-speed conditions.
[QUOTE=silver04rs]first off im sorry for what I said..... Ive driven a L that was on forester springs at a rally-X and it felt like the mirrors were dragging on the ground in tighter switchbacks. Im sure that having them on a stiffer strut would make a big difference[/quote]
Yes. Forester springs on an L equals a bouncy almost uncontrollable ride. But the taller springs I suggested were taller stock springs for the same weight and model car; just a different model year.
[QUOTE=silver04rs]also his question was based on a rally-X set up not a stage rally with jumps, rocks and other things which would require more clearance.[/quote]
And I gave him a suggestion based on my experience with New England rallycross conditions that [b]do[/b] have rocks and other things which require more clearance. There's nothing quite as satisfying as working a corner at a rallycross and pulling out a rock that requires [b]four[/b] people to move. As much ground clearance as possible has always been an advantage at every New England rallycross I've ever driven at.
[QUOTE=silver04rs]the person that took 3rd overall in 4WD open for CRS was on prodrive springs, which are lower than stock yet did great[/quote]
I've seen video of GCRallyX and CRS events...very smooth amazing conditions that I'm absolutely jealous of! Some of our rallycrosses use boulders in lieu of cones. ;)
[QUOTE=silver04rs]and props to you for doing real stage rally, As for now I can only dream[/QUOTE]
Werd. Thanks. You'll get there... :)
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| pcowan | 01-23-2006 02:15 AM |
[QUOTE=Natoe]well id like to be able to rallycross my 95 impreza, i have enough power starting out, but my suspension is all stock crap right now. (just wrx wheels, brakes, and rear disc conversion)
no way can i afford any kinda coilover, but what is a good shock/spring combo for rallycross? i want it to improve handling on street overall but be able to endure some rallycross. "ride quality" doesnt matter to me. thanks a bunch![/QUOTE]
just 3 suggestions:
a) Stock WRX struts and springs if you can find someone who's taking them off... don't know if it's an easy swap though.
b) Put your rear drum back on. It'll grab much better for handbrake turns than a mini-drum inside the rear disc combo. (left foot braking is good but there's nothing like a handbrake to snap you around a hairpin)
c) Remove your swaybars for the races. Having your wheels moving independantly will allow you to get better traction over the uneven surfaces. Play with cheap aftermarket springs of different rates to stiffen up the back instead.
no way can i afford any kinda coilover, but what is a good shock/spring combo for rallycross? i want it to improve handling on street overall but be able to endure some rallycross. "ride quality" doesnt matter to me. thanks a bunch![/QUOTE]
just 3 suggestions:
a) Stock WRX struts and springs if you can find someone who's taking them off... don't know if it's an easy swap though.
b) Put your rear drum back on. It'll grab much better for handbrake turns than a mini-drum inside the rear disc combo. (left foot braking is good but there's nothing like a handbrake to snap you around a hairpin)
c) Remove your swaybars for the races. Having your wheels moving independantly will allow you to get better traction over the uneven surfaces. Play with cheap aftermarket springs of different rates to stiffen up the back instead.
| Natoe | 01-23-2006 02:33 AM |
[QUOTE=pcowan]just 3 suggestions:
a) Stock WRX struts and springs if you can find someone who's taking them off... don't know if it's an easy swap though.
b) Put your rear drum back on. It'll grab much better for handbrake turns than a mini-drum inside the rear disc combo. (left foot braking is good but there's nothing like a handbrake to snap you around a hairpin)
c) Remove your swaybars for the races. Having your wheels moving independantly will allow you to get better traction over the uneven surfaces. Play with cheap aftermarket springs of different rates to stiffen up the back instead.[/QUOTE]
thanks, yeah i really need to figure out what needs to be done for new to old impreza swaps. wouldnt a rear sway bar help get the butt around corners? i had the idea of taking off the front one though, that makes sense. i want the rear discs for street driving and autocross though, so as long as the handbrake still functions ill deal with it. good input thanks
a) Stock WRX struts and springs if you can find someone who's taking them off... don't know if it's an easy swap though.
b) Put your rear drum back on. It'll grab much better for handbrake turns than a mini-drum inside the rear disc combo. (left foot braking is good but there's nothing like a handbrake to snap you around a hairpin)
c) Remove your swaybars for the races. Having your wheels moving independantly will allow you to get better traction over the uneven surfaces. Play with cheap aftermarket springs of different rates to stiffen up the back instead.[/QUOTE]
thanks, yeah i really need to figure out what needs to be done for new to old impreza swaps. wouldnt a rear sway bar help get the butt around corners? i had the idea of taking off the front one though, that makes sense. i want the rear discs for street driving and autocross though, so as long as the handbrake still functions ill deal with it. good input thanks
| Fred | 01-23-2006 10:01 AM |
[QUOTE]Fred, did you notice any changes with ride height when you swapped between the STi and Stock? [/QUOTE]
It's all there in the referenced thread -> STi suspension = stock RS height.
When I was using the GR2's I had stock 03 WRX front springs on it, which raised the front end about 5/8" - so I guess I'm an idiot too. Of course, the RS has been fastest overall at every rallycross I've raced it in, so I guess being an idiot isn't so bad. :)
Also, I wouldn't recommend removing your anti-roll bars unless you have a real rally suspension that's stiff enough to keep the body roll minimized without the bars. I have the stock bar on the front and a 20mm bar on the rear. For optimal rotation out of corners, I would be using a rear 17mm - except that when I traded in my WRX wagon the stock bar had to go back on the WRX.
It's all there in the referenced thread -> STi suspension = stock RS height.
When I was using the GR2's I had stock 03 WRX front springs on it, which raised the front end about 5/8" - so I guess I'm an idiot too. Of course, the RS has been fastest overall at every rallycross I've raced it in, so I guess being an idiot isn't so bad. :)
Also, I wouldn't recommend removing your anti-roll bars unless you have a real rally suspension that's stiff enough to keep the body roll minimized without the bars. I have the stock bar on the front and a 20mm bar on the rear. For optimal rotation out of corners, I would be using a rear 17mm - except that when I traded in my WRX wagon the stock bar had to go back on the WRX.
| Fred | 01-23-2006 10:11 AM |
more proof that ground clearance (along with 8" of suspension travel) isn't such a bad thing...
[url]http://www.thscc.com/rallycross/events/2005/2005-0917overall.html[/url]
[url]http://www.thscc.com/rallycross/events/2005/2005-0917overall.html[/url]
| BrysImpreza | 01-23-2006 10:36 AM |
Or if you want the understeer and do not want to remove the swaybar, I have a 13mm with bushings sitting in my garage taking up space :D
| Chromer | 01-23-2006 10:56 AM |
[QUOTE=Natoe]well id like to be able to rallycross my 95 impreza, i have enough power starting out, but my suspension is all stock crap right now. (just wrx wheels, brakes, and rear disc conversion)
[/QUOTE]
Forget about the suspension for now. Get the best tires the new rules allow, armor your underside and learn not to lift except to make it turn-in/rotate.
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Forget about the suspension for now. Get the best tires the new rules allow, armor your underside and learn not to lift except to make it turn-in/rotate.
| Fred | 01-23-2006 12:04 PM |
Well, that's one way to look at it, but if you have the money to get a decent suspension on it right now, you might as well do it.
I've driven some of the POS rally beaters that run at our events, and the ones that have new dampers aren't nearly as scary as the ones with old, beat-up 200k mile dampers.
:eek: :lol:
If your struts are worn out, replace them. Not too many things will kill your times and frustrate you like a set of busted dampers.
I've driven some of the POS rally beaters that run at our events, and the ones that have new dampers aren't nearly as scary as the ones with old, beat-up 200k mile dampers.
:eek: :lol:
If your struts are worn out, replace them. Not too many things will kill your times and frustrate you like a set of busted dampers.
| SQB SNX | 01-23-2006 12:29 PM |
I have STi struts,which are stiffer than the WRX struts with WXR springs which are stiffer than the STi springs. This is a cheap way to get a bit of extra ride hieght with out excesive body roll. Add a stiffer rear sway bar and your set.The STi struts are also inverted, so if you happen to bend the front strut you do not lock up the valving. It has worked great for me.
Jack
Jack
| Jaxx | 01-23-2006 01:08 PM |
if you went back in the i-club/nasioc/impreza-rs archives
the answer would be agxs+outback sport springs ..
the answer would be agxs+outback sport springs ..
| Fred | 01-23-2006 02:10 PM |
[QUOTE]I have STi struts,which are stiffer than the WRX struts with WXR springs which are stiffer than the STi springs.[/QUOTE]
What's a WXR? If it's the same thing as a WRX, the springs aren't stiffer than the WRX/STi springs - they're a little taller and a lot softer.
What's a WXR? If it's the same thing as a WRX, the springs aren't stiffer than the WRX/STi springs - they're a little taller and a lot softer.
| Sir_Xenon | 01-23-2006 02:40 PM |
I think people remove their sways so as to free each suspension (at each corner of the car) from the others. Removing the swaybar would prob give you more overall grip as each strut/spring can work independantly to remain in contact with the ground.
| GRMPer | 01-23-2006 02:56 PM |
I'll second/third/infinity the AGX+OBS suspension set-up. I had AGXs with L rear springs and 2004 WRX front springs....not as good through the bumpies as the AGX/OBS package that I have recently put on.
Per
[url]http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com[/url]
Per
[url]http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com[/url]
| SQB SNX | 01-23-2006 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred]What's a WXR? If it's the same thing as a WRX, the springs aren't stiffer than the WRX/STi springs - they're a little taller and a lot softer.[/QUOTE]
My bad, WRX and no they are not softer. The WRX strut is softer with stiffer, maybe because the height difference, springs. the STI is stiffer strut with softer spring. I know this because I did the change myself and it was much harder to compress.
My bad, WRX and no they are not softer. The WRX strut is softer with stiffer, maybe because the height difference, springs. the STI is stiffer strut with softer spring. I know this because I did the change myself and it was much harder to compress.
| Natoe | 01-23-2006 04:31 PM |
[QUOTE=GRMPer]I'll second/third/infinity the AGX+OBS suspension set-up. I had AGXs with L rear springs and 2004 WRX front springs....not as good through the bumpies as the AGX/OBS package that I have recently put on.
Per
[url]http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com[/url][/QUOTE]
aha my friend said one of the editors for GRM was a subie guy, i really should have subscribed already, have only looked around the forum a bit.
it seems that for a CHEAP setup, better for street and good for rallycross are my stock L springs with GR-2's since i know my stock shocks are shot. and a FRONT skidplate? it probably isnt necessary but i would feel safer hitting things when i do my little offroad excursions :) how necessary are skidplates for just recreational fun?
Per
[url]http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com[/url][/QUOTE]
aha my friend said one of the editors for GRM was a subie guy, i really should have subscribed already, have only looked around the forum a bit.
it seems that for a CHEAP setup, better for street and good for rallycross are my stock L springs with GR-2's since i know my stock shocks are shot. and a FRONT skidplate? it probably isnt necessary but i would feel safer hitting things when i do my little offroad excursions :) how necessary are skidplates for just recreational fun?
| Fred | 01-23-2006 04:39 PM |
[QUOTE]I know this because I did the change myself and it was much harder to compress.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
they were "harder to compress" because they were longer. :)
also the STi front struts are shorter than the WRX front struts, so I bet you had a b*tch of a time getting the longer springs on there. :eek: :lol:
stock WRX sedan springs are around 160 lb/in front & 120 lb/in rear
stock STi springs are around 225 lb/in front and 195 lb/in rear
:lol:
they were "harder to compress" because they were longer. :)
also the STi front struts are shorter than the WRX front struts, so I bet you had a b*tch of a time getting the longer springs on there. :eek: :lol:
stock WRX sedan springs are around 160 lb/in front & 120 lb/in rear
stock STi springs are around 225 lb/in front and 195 lb/in rear
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