| vinny176 | 05-10-2004 06:49 PM |
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Ok, I was cleaning the WRX today and was about to start using armor all to clean the dash, when I was interrupted and told that armor all is not good for the dash. That in the long run it fades the color. I wanted to see what people felt, and what they use. For now I just used a wet paper towel to get the dust off and that seemed to be fine, but i still wanted to see if armor all is really not good for it.
Also I am looking to get a car cover for the car, and didnt know if subaru made one ecspecially for the WRX and where I could purchase it.
Thanks for the time.
Also I am looking to get a car cover for the car, and didnt know if subaru made one ecspecially for the WRX and where I could purchase it.
Thanks for the time.
| BJamerican | 05-10-2004 07:00 PM |
I've been using Armor All on the vinyl dashboard in my Subaru for nearly 10 years, and it looks just as good as new. Armor All is a protectant, and is meant to prevent fading.
I would make sure your dashboard is in fact vinyl first. I know the dashboard in my mom's newer Legacy is made from a different, textured material. I'm not sure if Armor All is safe on that stuff.
I would make sure your dashboard is in fact vinyl first. I know the dashboard in my mom's newer Legacy is made from a different, textured material. I'm not sure if Armor All is safe on that stuff.
| CatchMyDrift | 05-10-2004 07:42 PM |
I believe Armor All also softens up the material to prevent cracking. My Uncle used it on his 69' RS Camaro for years. I will say that it does attract alot of unwanted dust, but so would not doing ANYTHING. Stick w/ the Armor All bro. You'll be glad you did. :D
| seasons | 05-10-2004 08:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CatchMyDrift [/i]
[B]I believe Armor All also softens up the material to prevent cracking. My Uncle used it on his 69' RS Camaro for years. I will say that it does attract alot of unwanted dust, but so would not doing ANYTHING. Stick w/ the Armor All bro. You'll be glad you did. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Armor All used to leave the dash all greasy. don't know if it still does
by far the best and only protectant you should use is 303 aerospace protectant
[url]http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant[/url]
[B]I believe Armor All also softens up the material to prevent cracking. My Uncle used it on his 69' RS Camaro for years. I will say that it does attract alot of unwanted dust, but so would not doing ANYTHING. Stick w/ the Armor All bro. You'll be glad you did. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Armor All used to leave the dash all greasy. don't know if it still does
by far the best and only protectant you should use is 303 aerospace protectant
[url]http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant[/url]
| vinny176 | 05-10-2004 09:14 PM |
yea, im not sure if the 04 wrx's dashboard is vinyl, i think it may be leather wrapped but im not sure. Does anyone know. Thanks for the responses. What is 303 aero?
| WRX-VFR | 05-10-2004 10:31 PM |
The dash is made of a vinyl/plastic material. I use a product called [URL=http://www.protectall.com]Protect-All[/URL]. I use this on my motorcycles and cars both. It does a great job on all plastic/vinyl parts and paint too. The only thing I don't like about using Protect-All or Armor All on the dash, is the reflection in the windshield from the shiny dash.
Kim
Kim
| Poppa smurf | 05-10-2004 10:59 PM |
try the 303 for a nice matte finish or maybe lexol for vinyl found at pepboys or similar store.
| links_courses | 05-11-2004 06:10 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by seasons[/i]
[B] Armor All used to leave the dash all greasy. don't know if it still does
by far the best and only protectant you should use is 303 aerospace protectant
[url]http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
^^^^
AGREED!
:banana:
[B] Armor All used to leave the dash all greasy. don't know if it still does
by far the best and only protectant you should use is 303 aerospace protectant
[url]http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
^^^^
AGREED!
:banana:
| quest | 05-11-2004 06:31 AM |
i like having a shiny dash, so it's armor-all for me:)
| MasiveMunkey | 05-11-2004 07:54 AM |
My friend told me that armor-all cracks the dash, that is why I don't use it.
| vinny176 | 05-11-2004 09:58 AM |
thanks everyone, I think the 303 aerospace looks like a great product...
| TortoiseAWD | 05-11-2004 10:26 AM |
The old formula of ArmorAll (clear, viscous, greasy liquid) was evil, and should be avoided. The new formulation, however, is a thin, milky colored liquid. It's water-borne instead of being solvent based like the old formula, and shares its active ingredient with 303 and Vinylex (polydimethal siloxane). Whether you like the shine AA provides on a dash is up to you, but at least the current forumula doesn't break down vinyl over time. Also, since it's water-borne, you can dilute it as you like to get less gloss.
Tort
Tort
| vinny176 | 05-11-2004 10:37 AM |
Tort,
That makes perfect sense! Cause it was my uncle who said it was bad and I'm sure it was probably because he was using the old formula years ago. Aright, now I know it is fine to use. Thanks a lot! You really know your stuff.
-Ross
That makes perfect sense! Cause it was my uncle who said it was bad and I'm sure it was probably because he was using the old formula years ago. Aright, now I know it is fine to use. Thanks a lot! You really know your stuff.
-Ross
| [email�protected] | 05-11-2004 12:26 PM |
Armorall is honestly the worst stuff. "Why" you ask? Silicone. The more silicone the worse it is for your car parts. I know for a fact that detail shops and dealerships do NOT use armorall for that very reason. It really does fade materials that are porous.
As far as cleaning goes - use windex and papertowels and don't spare with either. It will come perfectly clean and will not fade or or destroy. Do not use windex with ammonia though - that will hurt it.
Protecting the dash: It really doesn't matter what you use as long as there is as little silicone as possible. Silicone makes it look shiny but attracts more dirt than it helps keep off. You can also find yourself a good non-silicone tireshine and use that on your dash.
Hope that helps a little.
As far as cleaning goes - use windex and papertowels and don't spare with either. It will come perfectly clean and will not fade or or destroy. Do not use windex with ammonia though - that will hurt it.
Protecting the dash: It really doesn't matter what you use as long as there is as little silicone as possible. Silicone makes it look shiny but attracts more dirt than it helps keep off. You can also find yourself a good non-silicone tireshine and use that on your dash.
Hope that helps a little.
| CatchMyDrift | 05-11-2004 12:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by [email�protected] [/i]
[B]Armorall is honestly the worst stuff. "Why" you ask? Silicone. The more silicone the worse it is for your car parts. I know for a fact that detail shops and dealerships do NOT use armorall for that very reason. It really does fade materials that are porous.
As far as cleaning goes - use windex and papertowels and don't spare with either. It will come perfectly clean and will not fade or or destroy. Do not use windex with ammonia though - that will hurt it.
Protecting the dash: It really doesn't matter what you use as long as there is as little silicone as possible. Silicone makes it look shiny but attracts more dirt than it helps keep off. You can also find yourself a good non-silicone tireshine and use that on your dash.
Hope that helps a little. [/B][/QUOTE]
I used to work at SkyWay AutoDetail here locally for a year. When it came to protectant and such like that, ArmorAll is all we used. It's not some cheap detail place either.
[B]Armorall is honestly the worst stuff. "Why" you ask? Silicone. The more silicone the worse it is for your car parts. I know for a fact that detail shops and dealerships do NOT use armorall for that very reason. It really does fade materials that are porous.
As far as cleaning goes - use windex and papertowels and don't spare with either. It will come perfectly clean and will not fade or or destroy. Do not use windex with ammonia though - that will hurt it.
Protecting the dash: It really doesn't matter what you use as long as there is as little silicone as possible. Silicone makes it look shiny but attracts more dirt than it helps keep off. You can also find yourself a good non-silicone tireshine and use that on your dash.
Hope that helps a little. [/B][/QUOTE]
I used to work at SkyWay AutoDetail here locally for a year. When it came to protectant and such like that, ArmorAll is all we used. It's not some cheap detail place either.
| [email�protected] | 05-11-2004 12:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CatchMyDrift [/i]
[B]I used to work at SkyWay AutoDetail here locally for a year. When it came to protectant and such like that, ArmorAll is all we used. It's not some cheap detail place either. [/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe so... but I was a detailer as well...
I guess it's potato-potato
all an opinion
[B]I used to work at SkyWay AutoDetail here locally for a year. When it came to protectant and such like that, ArmorAll is all we used. It's not some cheap detail place either. [/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe so... but I was a detailer as well...
I guess it's potato-potato
all an opinion
| CatchMyDrift | 05-11-2004 01:43 PM |
nice.... lets just say Heintz 57. :lol:
| vinny176 | 05-11-2004 07:54 PM |
does 303 aerospace products have silicone in them?
| Poppa smurf | 05-11-2004 08:53 PM |
I think its petroleum distillates which use the silicon as a carrier that actually cause the cracking.
| TortoiseAWD | 05-12-2004 10:43 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vinny176 [/i]
[B]does 303 aerospace products have silicone in them? [/B][/QUOTE]
Well . . . sort of. "Silicones" are an entire family of chemicals. There are "good" silicones (such as the PDMS in 303/Vinylex/new ArmorAll, or the "amino functional siloxanes" that are part of many sealants and waxes) that are not harmful to paint or rubber, and play an important part in the makeup of car care products. Then there are the "bad" silicones, such as solvent-borne dimethyl silicone oils (old school ArmorAll, greasy tire shine formulas, etc.) that can over time break down vinyl and plastic, and can cause repaint problems (fisheyes) unless great care is taken during prep.
In general, I just stay away from the clear, oily, solvent-laden stuff, and don't worry about the rest. To directly answer your question, the active ingredient in 303 is polydimethyl siloxane, and is related to silicone. It is, however, a water-borne resin rather than a solvent-borne silicone oil, and that's a Good Thing. When the water carrier in 303 (or other PDMS dressings) dries, a resin is left behind rather than silicone oils. The resin actually cures and "sets up", whereas silicone oils just lay there and are, well, [b]oily[/b].
Tort
Caveat: I'm not a chemist, and I don't play one on TV. The information above is correct to the best of my knowledge, but I picked it up hanging out over at [URL=http://www.autopia.org]Autopia[/URL]. I trust the sources, but if I screwed up any chem details, mea culpa.
[B]does 303 aerospace products have silicone in them? [/B][/QUOTE]
Well . . . sort of. "Silicones" are an entire family of chemicals. There are "good" silicones (such as the PDMS in 303/Vinylex/new ArmorAll, or the "amino functional siloxanes" that are part of many sealants and waxes) that are not harmful to paint or rubber, and play an important part in the makeup of car care products. Then there are the "bad" silicones, such as solvent-borne dimethyl silicone oils (old school ArmorAll, greasy tire shine formulas, etc.) that can over time break down vinyl and plastic, and can cause repaint problems (fisheyes) unless great care is taken during prep.
In general, I just stay away from the clear, oily, solvent-laden stuff, and don't worry about the rest. To directly answer your question, the active ingredient in 303 is polydimethyl siloxane, and is related to silicone. It is, however, a water-borne resin rather than a solvent-borne silicone oil, and that's a Good Thing. When the water carrier in 303 (or other PDMS dressings) dries, a resin is left behind rather than silicone oils. The resin actually cures and "sets up", whereas silicone oils just lay there and are, well, [b]oily[/b].
Tort
Caveat: I'm not a chemist, and I don't play one on TV. The information above is correct to the best of my knowledge, but I picked it up hanging out over at [URL=http://www.autopia.org]Autopia[/URL]. I trust the sources, but if I screwed up any chem details, mea culpa.
| [email�protected] | 05-12-2004 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TortoiseAWD [/i]
[B]Well . . . sort of. "Silicones" are an entire family of chemicals. There are "good" silicones (such as the PDMS in 303/Vinylex/new ArmorAll, or the "amino functional siloxanes" that are part of many sealants and waxes) that are not harmful to paint or rubber, and play an important part in the makeup of car care products. Then there are the "bad" silicones, such as solvent-borne dimethyl silicone oils (old school ArmorAll, greasy tire shine formulas, etc.) that can over time break down vinyl and plastic, and can cause repaint problems (fisheyes) unless great care is taken during prep.
In general, I just stay away from the clear, oily, solvent-laden stuff, and don't worry about the rest. To directly answer your question, the active ingredient in 303 is polydimethyl siloxane, and is related to silicone. It is, however, a water-borne resin rather than a solvent-borne silicone oil, and that's a Good Thing. When the water carrier in 303 (or other PDMS dressings) dries, a resin is left behind rather than silicone oils. The resin actually cures and "sets up", whereas silicone oils just lay there and are, well, [b]oily[/b].
Tort
Caveat: I'm not a chemist, and I don't play one on TV. The information above is correct to the best of my knowledge, but I picked it up hanging out over at [URL=http://www.autopia.org]Autopia[/URL]. I trust the sources, but if I screwed up any chem details, mea culpa. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what I had been told/taught (except in simpler words). It's usually pretty easy to tell if you should be using it or not... if it feels greasy don't do it... if it doesn't go for it.
[B]Well . . . sort of. "Silicones" are an entire family of chemicals. There are "good" silicones (such as the PDMS in 303/Vinylex/new ArmorAll, or the "amino functional siloxanes" that are part of many sealants and waxes) that are not harmful to paint or rubber, and play an important part in the makeup of car care products. Then there are the "bad" silicones, such as solvent-borne dimethyl silicone oils (old school ArmorAll, greasy tire shine formulas, etc.) that can over time break down vinyl and plastic, and can cause repaint problems (fisheyes) unless great care is taken during prep.
In general, I just stay away from the clear, oily, solvent-laden stuff, and don't worry about the rest. To directly answer your question, the active ingredient in 303 is polydimethyl siloxane, and is related to silicone. It is, however, a water-borne resin rather than a solvent-borne silicone oil, and that's a Good Thing. When the water carrier in 303 (or other PDMS dressings) dries, a resin is left behind rather than silicone oils. The resin actually cures and "sets up", whereas silicone oils just lay there and are, well, [b]oily[/b].
Tort
Caveat: I'm not a chemist, and I don't play one on TV. The information above is correct to the best of my knowledge, but I picked it up hanging out over at [URL=http://www.autopia.org]Autopia[/URL]. I trust the sources, but if I screwed up any chem details, mea culpa. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what I had been told/taught (except in simpler words). It's usually pretty easy to tell if you should be using it or not... if it feels greasy don't do it... if it doesn't go for it.
| vinny176 | 05-12-2004 01:50 PM |
so tort,
basically the new armor all (not the one even 5 yrs. ago) is water based silicone and is therefor fine right?
basically the new armor all (not the one even 5 yrs. ago) is water based silicone and is therefor fine right?
| aznatama | 05-12-2004 03:19 PM |
armor all will leave a hazy film that hard to get off on your winshield if your car sits in a hot parking lot... I've had horrible experiences w/ armor all on the dash... it tends to dry our vinyl in the long run, and thus causing cracks.
| CatchMyDrift | 05-12-2004 03:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by aznatama [/i]
[B]armor all will leave a hazy film that hard to get off on your winshield if your car sits in a hot parking lot... I've had horrible experiences w/ armor all on the dash... it tends to dry our vinyl in the long run, and thus causing cracks. [/B][/QUOTE]
get a window shade..... :rolleyes:
[B]armor all will leave a hazy film that hard to get off on your winshield if your car sits in a hot parking lot... I've had horrible experiences w/ armor all on the dash... it tends to dry our vinyl in the long run, and thus causing cracks. [/B][/QUOTE]
get a window shade..... :rolleyes:
| SIMPFLY | 05-12-2004 07:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by [email�protected] [/i]
[B]Armorall is honestly the worst stuff. "Why" you ask? Silicone. [/B][/QUOTE]
Armor-all cracked the dash of my ae92. I don't recommend using it.
[B]Armorall is honestly the worst stuff. "Why" you ask? Silicone. [/B][/QUOTE]
Armor-all cracked the dash of my ae92. I don't recommend using it.
| riverarob | 05-12-2004 08:08 PM |
Clean damp rag
| obyone | 05-12-2004 09:22 PM |
I use Vinylex to clean the dirt off and then use only the staticly charged kitchen mop replacements (those things used to sweep your floor) to remove dust.
| vinny176 | 05-13-2004 03:36 AM |
Yea, but how long ago did you use it. Like 5 yrs. ago, because what i have been told it is now water based and harmless.
| vinny176 | 05-13-2004 03:41 AM |
Yea, but how long ago did you use Armor-all. Was it like 5 yrs. ago, because I am being told that it is now water based and harmless.
| TortoiseAWD | 05-14-2004 04:33 PM |
vinny176,
If the ArmorAll you're looking at is clear and thick, then it's either an old bottle, or it's a bottle of their "extreme shine" dressing (solvent-borne silicone oil). Currently, regular formula ArmorAll is a thin, milky-looking liquid; that's the "good" PDMS formulation (water-borne resin).
In general, just check the contents of the bottle:
Clear, thick, and greasy == evil
Milky-colored, watery liquid == OK
Tort
If the ArmorAll you're looking at is clear and thick, then it's either an old bottle, or it's a bottle of their "extreme shine" dressing (solvent-borne silicone oil). Currently, regular formula ArmorAll is a thin, milky-looking liquid; that's the "good" PDMS formulation (water-borne resin).
In general, just check the contents of the bottle:
Clear, thick, and greasy == evil
Milky-colored, watery liquid == OK
Tort
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