| cvalle-sd | 03-23-2003 11:51 AM |
Formula 1 is REBORN
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After last season, I thought I'd seen (back in 1998) the last of real racing in F1. Well, It's all shook up now. I LOVE the new rules, or more specifically, the way they've affected the action. no more forgone Ferrari podiums (hopefully), and a fighting chance for most teams to win points, or at least get a few minutes on camera. I just found out that there are more than three reams competing!;) Ironically, It's WRC that is getting more predictable, with the dropping of Kenya, nighttime stages, and the dominance of the French teams. As long as I don't feel tempted to watch the Food City 6000, or ***E CrapCar is running...because honestly, all of that Winston Cup in-car and telemetry stuff was way more interesting than F1 was last year.
| rkkwan | 03-23-2003 12:19 PM |
Yes, I too have enjoyed the first two races greatly. Now, FIA just have to fire that local Malaysian TV team, which was just awful throughout the weekend!
-Ray
-Ray
| Fred Zaplitny | 03-23-2003 12:57 PM |
It was great to see Renault be competative. Everyone thought that because they took the front row in qualifying that they were on an extremely light fuel load when in fact they were on a two stop strategy like most of the other teams. Getting a solid 3rd and 6th is HUGE for that team. Not to mention Schumacher could get part Trulli in the last laps of the race. Nice to see another team get competative in F-1. Even if they are representing the stupidest country in the world.
At least the drivers aren't French!
At least the drivers aren't French!
| gtguy | 03-23-2003 01:25 PM |
The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact America is presently the stupidest country in the world.
That M. Schu got 6th, given four pit stops plus a drive-through is pretty amazing, and says a lot for the pace of the Ferrari. Had he not tried to make a hole where there wasn't one, he would have been in great shape.
Alonso is truly talented, and Kimi! Man! I am continually impressed with his driving. Villeneuve must be smarting at Button's 7th (would have been 5th had his torsion bar held up).
The new rules certainly are shaking things up, I think, but Ferrari still hasn't learned how to deal with them, which is suprising, given Ross Brawn. What's frightening is that Schumacher M is right in there, points-wise.
Things should get really interesting once the new McLaren and Ferrari come on line. Should be a great season.
Kevin
That M. Schu got 6th, given four pit stops plus a drive-through is pretty amazing, and says a lot for the pace of the Ferrari. Had he not tried to make a hole where there wasn't one, he would have been in great shape.
Alonso is truly talented, and Kimi! Man! I am continually impressed with his driving. Villeneuve must be smarting at Button's 7th (would have been 5th had his torsion bar held up).
The new rules certainly are shaking things up, I think, but Ferrari still hasn't learned how to deal with them, which is suprising, given Ross Brawn. What's frightening is that Schumacher M is right in there, points-wise.
Things should get really interesting once the new McLaren and Ferrari come on line. Should be a great season.
Kevin
| Osgood30 | 03-23-2003 02:06 PM |
did anyone notice that the main commentator was the guy who did World SuperBikes in 2001 (damn, can never remember his name) !!!?:D
| gtguy | 03-23-2003 02:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Osgood30 [/i]
[B]did anyone notice that the main commentator was the guy who did World SuperBikes in 2001 (damn, can never remember his name) !!!?:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, he was excellent. Does anyone know if he's the permanent replacement, or just for Malaysia?
Oh, another interesting question: Given that Schumacher admitted (rightly so) that the corner tiff between he and Trulli was his fault, did he back off to in effect give Trulli the position?
Kevin
[B]did anyone notice that the main commentator was the guy who did World SuperBikes in 2001 (damn, can never remember his name) !!!?:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, he was excellent. Does anyone know if he's the permanent replacement, or just for Malaysia?
Oh, another interesting question: Given that Schumacher admitted (rightly so) that the corner tiff between he and Trulli was his fault, did he back off to in effect give Trulli the position?
Kevin
| robp | 03-23-2003 05:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
Oh, another interesting question: Given that Schumacher admitted (rightly so) that the corner tiff between he and Trulli was his fault, did he back off to in effect give Trulli the position?
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I doubt it. He wouldn't be where he is if he approached racing that way.
[B]
Oh, another interesting question: Given that Schumacher admitted (rightly so) that the corner tiff between he and Trulli was his fault, did he back off to in effect give Trulli the position?
[/B][/QUOTE]
I doubt it. He wouldn't be where he is if he approached racing that way.
| HomerJay | 03-23-2003 06:25 PM |
Anyone else notice that, minus Barrichelo, all the top finishers were on Michelins. I think Michelin has come out w/ a better tire this year. I'm not saying that that is the only reason, but that is a major factor.
| ellisnc | 03-23-2003 07:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact America is presently the stupidest country in the world.
[/B][/QUOTE]
then leave... :rolleyes:
[B]The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact America is presently the stupidest country in the world.
[/B][/QUOTE]
then leave... :rolleyes:
| rkkwan | 03-23-2003 08:10 PM |
1. I remembered hearing that the main commentator is only a substitute for this event. They probably said it during either Friday or Saturday's qualifying show. And I don't think the team do such a great job. More than once, two people were speaking at the same time.
2. Who knows what M Schumacher was doing at the end of the race. Remember before his last pit-stop, he passed the dueling Trulli and Button relatively easily and pulled away very quickly. So, maybe his tires weren't there at the end or something.
-Ray
2. Who knows what M Schumacher was doing at the end of the race. Remember before his last pit-stop, he passed the dueling Trulli and Button relatively easily and pulled away very quickly. So, maybe his tires weren't there at the end or something.
-Ray
| gtguy | 03-23-2003 08:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ellisnc [/i]
[B]
then leave... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, piffle. Separate dissent with a nation's foreign policy from everything else, please.
Now, back to the racing. It still seemed odd to me that Schumacher, who was so fast, was suddenly so slow. Perhaps he is mellowing in his old age.
What this race also shows is the value of that Friday free practice that Renault is a part of. It seems to have really helped them in Malaysia. I thought for sure that they would be running a three-stop race, given their qualifying performance. If they can run like that for the rest of the season, there will be another team to add to mix, ready to pounce when the big two (which look to be Ferrari and McLaren, both with new cars waiting in the wings) falter a bit.
Meanwhile, does anyone want to resurrect the predictions thread to see how poorly we all fared? :lol:
Kevin
[B]
then leave... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, piffle. Separate dissent with a nation's foreign policy from everything else, please.
Now, back to the racing. It still seemed odd to me that Schumacher, who was so fast, was suddenly so slow. Perhaps he is mellowing in his old age.
What this race also shows is the value of that Friday free practice that Renault is a part of. It seems to have really helped them in Malaysia. I thought for sure that they would be running a three-stop race, given their qualifying performance. If they can run like that for the rest of the season, there will be another team to add to mix, ready to pounce when the big two (which look to be Ferrari and McLaren, both with new cars waiting in the wings) falter a bit.
Meanwhile, does anyone want to resurrect the predictions thread to see how poorly we all fared? :lol:
Kevin
| TyrannoSullyRex | 03-23-2003 09:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact America is presently the stupidest country in the world.
[/B][/QUOTE]
What the hell does one have to do with the other??
The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact oranges are the most efficient means of electricity.
See, how idiotic that sounds?? Some people.:rolleyes:
Anyways, congrats to Kimi.
[B]The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact America is presently the stupidest country in the world.
[/B][/QUOTE]
What the hell does one have to do with the other??
The Renault drives are impressive, even if in fact oranges are the most efficient means of electricity.
See, how idiotic that sounds?? Some people.:rolleyes:
Anyways, congrats to Kimi.
| ellisnc | 03-23-2003 10:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
Oh, piffle. Separate dissent with a nation's foreign policy from everything else, please.
[/B][/QUOTE]
No, seriously, if America is so stupid just leave... may I remind you that you live in the "stupidest" country in the world. So would that mean you're contributing?
I still don't understand how your comment related at all to the subject of the thread.
Anyway, yes the Renault drives were very impressive... I think Reubens did a pretty decent job too. Also M. Schumacher did well to finish where he did considering he had 4 pit stops plus one drive through penalty. :eek:
[B]
Oh, piffle. Separate dissent with a nation's foreign policy from everything else, please.
[/B][/QUOTE]
No, seriously, if America is so stupid just leave... may I remind you that you live in the "stupidest" country in the world. So would that mean you're contributing?
I still don't understand how your comment related at all to the subject of the thread.
Anyway, yes the Renault drives were very impressive... I think Reubens did a pretty decent job too. Also M. Schumacher did well to finish where he did considering he had 4 pit stops plus one drive through penalty. :eek:
| gtguy | 03-23-2003 10:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]Nice to see another team get competative in F-1. Even if they are representing the stupidest country in the world.
At least the drivers aren't French! [/B][/QUOTE]
My comment was a tongue-in-cheek riposte to the above, gentlemen, and let's leave it at that. I do in fact plan to retire to France, the south to be specific, in the Languedoc region. :D
But, I contribute nothing to the foreign policy that I find so reprehensible, nor do I contribute to the domestic policy idiocy that substitutes hooey about "national security" for real concerns about the plight of Americans who aren't at all useful to the powers that be. We (our government) wants Iraq to live in a "real democracy," while people on Lower Wacker sleep in refrigerator boxes at night. Sorry, but I just don't get it, and I've thought about it long and hard.
At any rate, apologies for the sidetrack into seriousness, but if you read up a post of two from my original one, it all makes sense.
Kevin
[B]Nice to see another team get competative in F-1. Even if they are representing the stupidest country in the world.
At least the drivers aren't French! [/B][/QUOTE]
My comment was a tongue-in-cheek riposte to the above, gentlemen, and let's leave it at that. I do in fact plan to retire to France, the south to be specific, in the Languedoc region. :D
But, I contribute nothing to the foreign policy that I find so reprehensible, nor do I contribute to the domestic policy idiocy that substitutes hooey about "national security" for real concerns about the plight of Americans who aren't at all useful to the powers that be. We (our government) wants Iraq to live in a "real democracy," while people on Lower Wacker sleep in refrigerator boxes at night. Sorry, but I just don't get it, and I've thought about it long and hard.
At any rate, apologies for the sidetrack into seriousness, but if you read up a post of two from my original one, it all makes sense.
Kevin
| cvalle-sd | 03-23-2003 11:40 PM |
As thread starter, I feel I have the right to say "shut it"
Leave the French alone, stay on topic. America has by no means cornered the market on stupidity...but it'd be more effective for each of us to try and minimize our own stupidity than to compare national averages.
PS - It's nice to see Schuey have to act like he's a member of a group of drivers, rather than the Parade Grand Marshall.:disco:
Leave the French alone, stay on topic. America has by no means cornered the market on stupidity...but it'd be more effective for each of us to try and minimize our own stupidity than to compare national averages.
PS - It's nice to see Schuey have to act like he's a member of a group of drivers, rather than the Parade Grand Marshall.:disco:
| ForceFed4 | 03-24-2003 12:29 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Now, back to the racing. It still seemed odd to me that Schumacher, who was so fast, was suddenly so slow. Perhaps he is mellowing in his old age.[/B][/QUOTE]Slow is relative. By race result, yes, not so impressive. However, he did set fastest lap, which was a track record according to the announcers. And as you pointed out a few posts up, you have to factor in 4 pit stops and the drive through.
Had he not been so aggresive in turns 1/2, he would've been right up there I suspect. But I think the incident is a pretty good sign that he hasn't mellowed out, and is still the same driver that people love (to hate?).
And JV got smacked by kharma fairly smartly there. Maybe he'll be less of a jerk, but I doubt it.
[B]Now, back to the racing. It still seemed odd to me that Schumacher, who was so fast, was suddenly so slow. Perhaps he is mellowing in his old age.[/B][/QUOTE]Slow is relative. By race result, yes, not so impressive. However, he did set fastest lap, which was a track record according to the announcers. And as you pointed out a few posts up, you have to factor in 4 pit stops and the drive through.
Had he not been so aggresive in turns 1/2, he would've been right up there I suspect. But I think the incident is a pretty good sign that he hasn't mellowed out, and is still the same driver that people love (to hate?).
And JV got smacked by kharma fairly smartly there. Maybe he'll be less of a jerk, but I doubt it.
| OnTheGas | 03-24-2003 01:08 AM |
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ForceFed4 [/i]
[B]However, he did set fastest lap, which was a track record according to the announcers. And as you pointed out a few posts up, you have to factor in 4 pit stops and the drive through.
Had he not been so aggresive in turns 1/2, he would've been right up there I suspect...[/B][/QUOTE]I think that race just shows us that Michael and Ferrari are still the team to beat, despite his unlucky start to the season. It is very likely that Schumacher would have won if he hadn't screwed up the first turn...
Michael was dog-fighting his way up through the pack, setting a lap-record, pitting four times, and still getting into the points...
To put Michael's talent in perspective, look at Rubens who was stomping around the circuit for the whole race fighting for 3rd, then 2nd...
The only difference from last year which I'm seeing, besides Saturday qualifying being the first lap of the race, is that Renault is able to fight for the podium positions now. At any race, it seems likely that eight drivers from the four top teams are likely to gain the podium. And that is wonderful! But Michael is still the one to beat.
[B]However, he did set fastest lap, which was a track record according to the announcers. And as you pointed out a few posts up, you have to factor in 4 pit stops and the drive through.
Had he not been so aggresive in turns 1/2, he would've been right up there I suspect...[/B][/QUOTE]I think that race just shows us that Michael and Ferrari are still the team to beat, despite his unlucky start to the season. It is very likely that Schumacher would have won if he hadn't screwed up the first turn...
Michael was dog-fighting his way up through the pack, setting a lap-record, pitting four times, and still getting into the points...
To put Michael's talent in perspective, look at Rubens who was stomping around the circuit for the whole race fighting for 3rd, then 2nd...
The only difference from last year which I'm seeing, besides Saturday qualifying being the first lap of the race, is that Renault is able to fight for the podium positions now. At any race, it seems likely that eight drivers from the four top teams are likely to gain the podium. And that is wonderful! But Michael is still the one to beat.
| johnfelstead | 03-24-2003 06:37 AM |
Dont get too excited about Renault. Last year Jenson Button (then Renault) was 1 lap from a podium when his car let him down, the Renault suits that track, it's nothing more than a one off IMHO.
| StuBeck | 03-24-2003 09:09 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ellisnc [/i]
[B]Anyway, yes the Renault drives were very impressive... I think Reubens did a pretty decent job too. Also M. Schumacher did well to finish where he did considering he had 4 pit stops plus one drive through penalty. :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
Just a clairification, the drive throguh counted as a pit stop...I think that Schumacher has to calm down. Two years in a row he has taken out another driver in the first complex of turns.
[B]Anyway, yes the Renault drives were very impressive... I think Reubens did a pretty decent job too. Also M. Schumacher did well to finish where he did considering he had 4 pit stops plus one drive through penalty. :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
Just a clairification, the drive throguh counted as a pit stop...I think that Schumacher has to calm down. Two years in a row he has taken out another driver in the first complex of turns.
| steve_d | 03-24-2003 09:16 AM |
I'll only throw in that this was still last years ferrari...as it will be in Brazil...
F2003 won't show until imola? after that
sjd
F2003 won't show until imola? after that
sjd
| rkkwan | 03-24-2003 10:20 AM |
steve_d - The McLarens that have won both rounds are also upgraded 2002 cars. They will also have a drastic new car later in the year.
-Ray
-Ray
| Fred Zaplitny | 03-24-2003 10:29 AM |
I apologize for starting the political stuff. I will not however, tolerate being called a gentleman!
:lol:
I really hope the new Ferrari is a dud.
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I really hope the new Ferrari is a dud.
| gtguy | 03-24-2003 10:35 AM |
I think that the real season will begin when the new McLaren and Ferrari come on line, and the driver aids go away. Then, it's party time.
Does anyone have speculation about how much Renault is benefitting from the Friday practice? We know that Minardi isn't, but it would appear that Renault certainly is.
It's funny about M. Schumacher. I think he was really trying to get past the Renaults because he, like everyone else, assumed that the qualifying performance was a fluke, and that they would be slow in race conditions. Well, surprise, surprise! More circumspection would do him good, I think.
Oh, hats off to Rubens for a nice, workmanlike drive to second place. Ralf's one-stop was thwarted, and Ralph Firman showed some fun driving during his scrap with one of the Renaults (Trulli?). That re-pass when Trulli came by too hot was so funny.
Whatever happened to Coulthard, anyhow?
As much as any of us can quibble with the new regulations, they do seem to have had the effect of sprucing up the racing. We can say "if," in the case of Ferrari's tire choice at Australia and "if" again, had Schuey shown a bit of maturity in the second corner. But none of those "ifs" happened, and we have had two excellent races, so far, with more to come, I believe.
Kevin
p.s. apologies to all for getting a bit off-topic earlier
Does anyone have speculation about how much Renault is benefitting from the Friday practice? We know that Minardi isn't, but it would appear that Renault certainly is.
It's funny about M. Schumacher. I think he was really trying to get past the Renaults because he, like everyone else, assumed that the qualifying performance was a fluke, and that they would be slow in race conditions. Well, surprise, surprise! More circumspection would do him good, I think.
Oh, hats off to Rubens for a nice, workmanlike drive to second place. Ralf's one-stop was thwarted, and Ralph Firman showed some fun driving during his scrap with one of the Renaults (Trulli?). That re-pass when Trulli came by too hot was so funny.
Whatever happened to Coulthard, anyhow?
As much as any of us can quibble with the new regulations, they do seem to have had the effect of sprucing up the racing. We can say "if," in the case of Ferrari's tire choice at Australia and "if" again, had Schuey shown a bit of maturity in the second corner. But none of those "ifs" happened, and we have had two excellent races, so far, with more to come, I believe.
Kevin
p.s. apologies to all for getting a bit off-topic earlier
| NC2.5RS | 03-24-2003 11:10 AM |
So far this season has been much more competitive. Here's to hoping it stays like that. I love seeing Ferrari come out ahead, but it does get kinda boring seeing them dominate EVERY race. It was awesome to see the Renault team whoop ass in qualifying.
| cvalle-sd | 03-24-2003 11:52 AM |
Renault, McLaren, whoever - It's just awesome to see some RACING:cool:
| ForceFed4 | 03-24-2003 12:03 PM |
Just on a bit of a lighter note, did anyone catch the english announcer (David Hobbs?) calling R. Schumacher "Ralphie" during the race? I remember that from his first couple of seasons (which weren't so hot) when the announcers would talk about "poor Ralphie", usually with more than a bit of a snicker, whenever he had a "moment".
Guess he's pretty well shut them up, but I heard a slip yesterday, though it was funny:D .
Guess he's pretty well shut them up, but I heard a slip yesterday, though it was funny:D .
| Dr. WOT | 03-24-2003 01:54 PM |
I'm not sold on the new regs being the reason these races we so exciting. Just as easily MS could have walked away with both (bad tire choice in Australia, first corner crash Sepang) in which case the topic of this thread would be how useless the new regs are.
Now it could be that this is a bad-luck year for Schumi. Sometimes it seems to go all wrong and sitting on 8 pit lane visits after 2 events doesn't speak of good fortunes.
I feel terrible for DC. Obviously you need to complete a good portion of the race to be considered in a position to win, but he was out from, and if the car held together he could easily have been going into Brazil with 20 points. Something tells me that a confidence boost like that would lead to some more consistant performances.
He can still do it, and with any luck the new McLaren will be a ligitamate challenger. Because sooner or later MS is going to get a clear run, and you don't need me to tell you how that turns out. ;)
*looking foward to interlagos
PS--- Way to go Button for sticking it to that wanker Villeneuve
Now it could be that this is a bad-luck year for Schumi. Sometimes it seems to go all wrong and sitting on 8 pit lane visits after 2 events doesn't speak of good fortunes.
I feel terrible for DC. Obviously you need to complete a good portion of the race to be considered in a position to win, but he was out from, and if the car held together he could easily have been going into Brazil with 20 points. Something tells me that a confidence boost like that would lead to some more consistant performances.
He can still do it, and with any luck the new McLaren will be a ligitamate challenger. Because sooner or later MS is going to get a clear run, and you don't need me to tell you how that turns out. ;)
*looking foward to interlagos
PS--- Way to go Button for sticking it to that wanker Villeneuve
| gtguy | 03-24-2003 02:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dr. WOT [/i]
[B]I'm not sold on the new regs being the reason these races we so exciting. Just as easily MS could have walked away with both (bad tire choice in Australia, first corner crash Sepang) in which case the topic of this thread would be how useless the new regs are.
Now it could be that this is a bad-luck year for Schumi. Sometimes it seems to go all wrong and sitting on 8 pit lane visits after 2 events doesn't speak of good fortunes.
I feel terrible for DC. Obviously you need to complete a good portion of the race to be considered in a position to win, but he was out from, and if the car held together he could easily have been going into Brazil with 20 points. Something tells me that a confidence boost like that would lead to some more consistant performances.
He can still do it, and with any luck the new McLaren will be a ligitamate challenger. Because sooner or later MS is going to get a clear run, and you don't need me to tell you how that turns out. ;)
*looking foward to interlagos
PS--- Way to go Button for sticking it to that wanker Villeneuve [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed, Ferrari seemed to still not have figured out that they couldn't just change tires on the grid, like they would have last year. :lol: The red car is definitely still the fastest on the grid (at least in the hands of MS).
But the rules certainly prohibited Ferrari from making tire changes, which meant MS had to pit to change rubber. The parc ferme rules mean that people have to run race setups in qualifying, and the extra practice day appears to have really worked the magic for Renault.
I agree that the rules aren't entirely the reason for the good racing, but they are contributing factors. But yes, once Ferrari gets it all figured out, things will change pretty quickly.
I'm with you on Button, too. JV is being a prat.
Kevin
[B]I'm not sold on the new regs being the reason these races we so exciting. Just as easily MS could have walked away with both (bad tire choice in Australia, first corner crash Sepang) in which case the topic of this thread would be how useless the new regs are.
Now it could be that this is a bad-luck year for Schumi. Sometimes it seems to go all wrong and sitting on 8 pit lane visits after 2 events doesn't speak of good fortunes.
I feel terrible for DC. Obviously you need to complete a good portion of the race to be considered in a position to win, but he was out from, and if the car held together he could easily have been going into Brazil with 20 points. Something tells me that a confidence boost like that would lead to some more consistant performances.
He can still do it, and with any luck the new McLaren will be a ligitamate challenger. Because sooner or later MS is going to get a clear run, and you don't need me to tell you how that turns out. ;)
*looking foward to interlagos
PS--- Way to go Button for sticking it to that wanker Villeneuve [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed, Ferrari seemed to still not have figured out that they couldn't just change tires on the grid, like they would have last year. :lol: The red car is definitely still the fastest on the grid (at least in the hands of MS).
But the rules certainly prohibited Ferrari from making tire changes, which meant MS had to pit to change rubber. The parc ferme rules mean that people have to run race setups in qualifying, and the extra practice day appears to have really worked the magic for Renault.
I agree that the rules aren't entirely the reason for the good racing, but they are contributing factors. But yes, once Ferrari gets it all figured out, things will change pretty quickly.
I'm with you on Button, too. JV is being a prat.
Kevin
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