| Kitsune | 03-08-2003 11:25 PM |
Formula Hell?!
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Is the FIA trying to pull strings or is everyone just lossing their mind in this race. Kimi Penalized, Schumachers car fallen apart, Montoya just threw the race away...man it must be those new regulations I bet :lol:
| Osgood30 | 03-08-2003 11:49 PM |
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| Orbiter | 03-08-2003 11:51 PM |
Exciting and interesting race indeed.. i like the new rules =)
For once no Ferrari on the podium! WOW
too bad Christiano had a DNF. I was routing for him..
For once no Ferrari on the podium! WOW
too bad Christiano had a DNF. I was routing for him..
| nhluhr | 03-08-2003 11:58 PM |
just finished watching.... it was one of the most dynamic races I've seen in a LONG time. I for one am a fan of the rule changes... I was on edge watching for the whole race.
however, I think it ought to be evident that if Michael Schumacher had started on dry bridgestones instead of intermediates, he'd be the clean victor.
however, I think it ought to be evident that if Michael Schumacher had started on dry bridgestones instead of intermediates, he'd be the clean victor.
| DO | 03-09-2003 12:02 AM |
It looks like its going to be an interesting season!
I'm routing for Renault, but I'm happy that Mclaren and Williams are actually going to be able to challenge Ferrari this season.
I'm routing for Renault, but I'm happy that Mclaren and Williams are actually going to be able to challenge Ferrari this season.
| Orion | 03-09-2003 12:08 AM |
I haven't been a big fan of F1 for a long time, but I will be glued to my set EVERY race this season if it's that wacky!
JPM: "**** happens" :lol:
JPM: "**** happens" :lol:
| LordBass | 03-09-2003 12:13 AM |
Yep, a pretty interesting race, and JPM's comments at the end were great.. Can't wait to hear what the FIA says about him "getting screwed twice" and that "$*** happens". :D
As a side note, Speed Channel was dropped from basic cable in my area. I have no money upgrade to digital (and then to the special sports pack on top), but was glad to see that CBC carries F1 live in Quebec. Lucky for me my basic cable includes CKSH from Montreal. Yay Canada! Now I just need a crash-course in French. :) .. "Oui oui!!" :lol:
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As a side note, Speed Channel was dropped from basic cable in my area. I have no money upgrade to digital (and then to the special sports pack on top), but was glad to see that CBC carries F1 live in Quebec. Lucky for me my basic cable includes CKSH from Montreal. Yay Canada! Now I just need a crash-course in French. :) .. "Oui oui!!" :lol:
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| HoRo1 | 03-09-2003 12:56 AM |
I'm not a big Montoya fan, but does this guy find a way to not win or what. King of the overdrive.
| Adrian128 | 03-09-2003 02:45 AM |
I think it was a good race.. it was interesting to see Mark Webber in the Jaguar able to keep pace with the leaders, until the suspension broke. He's someone to keep an eye on the rest of the season. :)
| stumpz | 03-09-2003 08:01 AM |
No Eddie Irvine :D . The new rules will take some getting used to for me atleast. I was interesting, missed a little of it running out to get "foster's Beer".
Traditionally I drink a beer based on which country they are racing at.
Suresh
Traditionally I drink a beer based on which country they are racing at.
Suresh
| Leonardo | 03-09-2003 08:09 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nhluhr [/i]
[B]however, I think it ought to be evident that if Michael Schumacher had started on dry bridgestones instead of intermediates, he'd be the clean victor. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude, he switched to dry's before his car started falling apart and he couldn't be competitive. Couldn't even get passed Kimmi. He finished 4th but was due to people pitting in front of them. Also, He might be disqualified for that finish cuz his (what's it called, ride plate? under the car) was scrapping the ground and might have been worn more than the 1mm limit.
A great race!!!!!
[B]however, I think it ought to be evident that if Michael Schumacher had started on dry bridgestones instead of intermediates, he'd be the clean victor. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude, he switched to dry's before his car started falling apart and he couldn't be competitive. Couldn't even get passed Kimmi. He finished 4th but was due to people pitting in front of them. Also, He might be disqualified for that finish cuz his (what's it called, ride plate? under the car) was scrapping the ground and might have been worn more than the 1mm limit.
A great race!!!!!
| TimStevens | 03-09-2003 10:37 AM |
A fantastic race. As much as I hated the rules changes, they lead to a great race. They were a little trigger-happy with the safety car, and I wonder how much of that was intentional, but it shaped up to a very exciting event.
-tim
(is biased because he's a DC fan)
-tim
(is biased because he's a DC fan)
| Osgood30 | 03-09-2003 10:52 AM |
I think that the real race was only during the last 15 laps, even that got ruined by penalties, though. The first part of the race, was just damage limitation strategies for most of the teams, and guess game for the fans.
| subiewrx | 03-09-2003 10:56 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Leonardo [/i]
[B]
Dude, he switched to dry's before his car started falling apart and he couldn't be competitive. Couldn't even get passed Kimmi. He finished 4th but was due to people pitting in front of them. Also, He might be disqualified for that finish cuz his (what's it called, ride plate? under the car) was scrapping the ground and might have been worn more than the 1mm limit.
A great race!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Umm, he finished 9.5sec down, having made one more pit stop than any one else in the points (and two of those stops were pretty long). He was clearly being held up by Raikkonen earlier in the race, though not enough to make it easy to pass. Plus, that ride over the curb Kimi gave him is almost assuredly what damaged the barge boards and undertray.
I'm not a big Schumi fan, but given a "straight", dry, business-as-usual fight, <I believe> the Ferraris would have walked away with this race. But weather, safety cars, blah blah - that's racing! Probably the most interesting race in quite a while. I hope things are this tight for the next few.
<*!#@% safety cars...>
[B]
Dude, he switched to dry's before his car started falling apart and he couldn't be competitive. Couldn't even get passed Kimmi. He finished 4th but was due to people pitting in front of them. Also, He might be disqualified for that finish cuz his (what's it called, ride plate? under the car) was scrapping the ground and might have been worn more than the 1mm limit.
A great race!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Umm, he finished 9.5sec down, having made one more pit stop than any one else in the points (and two of those stops were pretty long). He was clearly being held up by Raikkonen earlier in the race, though not enough to make it easy to pass. Plus, that ride over the curb Kimi gave him is almost assuredly what damaged the barge boards and undertray.
I'm not a big Schumi fan, but given a "straight", dry, business-as-usual fight, <I believe> the Ferraris would have walked away with this race. But weather, safety cars, blah blah - that's racing! Probably the most interesting race in quite a while. I hope things are this tight for the next few.
<*!#@% safety cars...>
| David03WRX | 03-09-2003 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DO [/i]
[B]It looks like its going to be an interesting season!
I'm routing for Renault, but I'm happy that Mclaren and Williams are actually going to be able to challenge Ferrari this season. [/B][/QUOTE]
I hate to say this, ESPECIALLY as a BMW owner/fan, but I'm not so sure that McLaren and Williams (or Renault for that matter) will pose as much of a challenge as I'd like. Last year's season's start was deceptive... The podium in the first five races was shared by some combination of Ferrari, MBZ, and BMW, making it appear that there was some challenge to the Scuderia. But after Montreal, Ferrari ran way with it.
Another thing - last year the challenge looked good until Ferrari brought out the F2002 (they started the season in the F2001), then they could barely be touched... and they're doing the same thing this year, delaying the F2003's intro until the races hit Europe.
But as many have mentioned, it's entirely possible that the rule changes will help considerably. But don't hold your breath... depending on how the F2003's intro impacts Ferrari's season, I suggest the FIA should rule that the new season's car needs to be raced ALL season - if the F2004 next year isn't ready for race one, then they race the F2003 all season. Just an opinion.
Cheers,
Dave
[B]It looks like its going to be an interesting season!
I'm routing for Renault, but I'm happy that Mclaren and Williams are actually going to be able to challenge Ferrari this season. [/B][/QUOTE]
I hate to say this, ESPECIALLY as a BMW owner/fan, but I'm not so sure that McLaren and Williams (or Renault for that matter) will pose as much of a challenge as I'd like. Last year's season's start was deceptive... The podium in the first five races was shared by some combination of Ferrari, MBZ, and BMW, making it appear that there was some challenge to the Scuderia. But after Montreal, Ferrari ran way with it.
Another thing - last year the challenge looked good until Ferrari brought out the F2002 (they started the season in the F2001), then they could barely be touched... and they're doing the same thing this year, delaying the F2003's intro until the races hit Europe.
But as many have mentioned, it's entirely possible that the rule changes will help considerably. But don't hold your breath... depending on how the F2003's intro impacts Ferrari's season, I suggest the FIA should rule that the new season's car needs to be raced ALL season - if the F2004 next year isn't ready for race one, then they race the F2003 all season. Just an opinion.
Cheers,
Dave
| TimStevens | 03-09-2003 11:07 AM |
Well, don't forget, McLaren has a new car coming too...
I agree, though. I don't like this bring out new cars half-way through the season BS. Seems like the teams with the bigger budgets can basically come out with two new cars every year, more or less. IMHO, they should put in restrictions about what sort of mid-year changes can be made to the car. I think THAT would save some money.
I agree, though. I don't like this bring out new cars half-way through the season BS. Seems like the teams with the bigger budgets can basically come out with two new cars every year, more or less. IMHO, they should put in restrictions about what sort of mid-year changes can be made to the car. I think THAT would save some money.
| gtguy | 03-09-2003 02:49 PM |
What a fantastic race. Coulthard must still be stunned, because think of what had to happen for him to win:
Ferrari makes the bad tire choice to start the race.
Safery car
Schumacher has a 14-second pit stop
Kimi drives fabulously, then gets the drive-through
Schumacher makes one more stop than he should have had to
Montoya does the hose job in the lead
Unbelievable race, and the dicing among drivers was a joy to see. There were new faces on the podium and in the standings. I'm blown away. The racing was absolutely thrilling. My only complaint were the cutaways to meaningless cars (Minardi, Jaguar) when there was real racing going on.
Now, if Ferrari doesn't hose off the tire choice, they make their two scheduled stops, and Schumacher is gone. He isn't back there dicking around with Kimi, which means he isn't pushing too hard and damaging the car, which means another Scuderia steamroller.
Kimi's "payback" for Magny-Cours was interesting, in that he essentially said, "I'll crash us both, I don't care." Ballsy, but not too bright in the first race of the season. I don't know what to say about Montoya... :rolleyes: He was clearly fast, but man, what a hose-off.
As of today, Schumacher isn't DQed, nor should he have been. It was clearly accident damage, caused by another driver's actions. Oh, and McLaren is getting astounding gas mileage. If that keeps up, they're going to be a factor this season.
Kevin
Ferrari makes the bad tire choice to start the race.
Safery car
Schumacher has a 14-second pit stop
Kimi drives fabulously, then gets the drive-through
Schumacher makes one more stop than he should have had to
Montoya does the hose job in the lead
Unbelievable race, and the dicing among drivers was a joy to see. There were new faces on the podium and in the standings. I'm blown away. The racing was absolutely thrilling. My only complaint were the cutaways to meaningless cars (Minardi, Jaguar) when there was real racing going on.
Now, if Ferrari doesn't hose off the tire choice, they make their two scheduled stops, and Schumacher is gone. He isn't back there dicking around with Kimi, which means he isn't pushing too hard and damaging the car, which means another Scuderia steamroller.
Kimi's "payback" for Magny-Cours was interesting, in that he essentially said, "I'll crash us both, I don't care." Ballsy, but not too bright in the first race of the season. I don't know what to say about Montoya... :rolleyes: He was clearly fast, but man, what a hose-off.
As of today, Schumacher isn't DQed, nor should he have been. It was clearly accident damage, caused by another driver's actions. Oh, and McLaren is getting astounding gas mileage. If that keeps up, they're going to be a factor this season.
Kevin
| DO | 03-09-2003 03:58 PM |
[QUOTE]I hate to say this, ESPECIALLY as a BMW owner/fan, but I'm not so sure that McLaren and Williams (or Renault for that matter) will pose as much of a challenge as I'd like. Last year's season's start was deceptive... The podium in the first five races was shared by some combination of Ferrari, MBZ, and BMW, making it appear that there was some challenge to the Scuderia. But after Montreal, Ferrari ran way with it.[/QUOTE]
I know deep down inside that Ferrari is more then likely going to dominate, but I really hope that a few teams will be able to challenge them. I'm routing for Renault to be different; however, I think they'll do well on tight twisty circuits, like Monaco.
The races better be more interesting this year then the last couple of seasons. Between my father and I we watched every race since 1993 (its a family thing), but last season the races were pretty boring with M Shumacher leading and the rest of the drivers following behind.
For races to be interesting, the driver has to be the key player.
I know deep down inside that Ferrari is more then likely going to dominate, but I really hope that a few teams will be able to challenge them. I'm routing for Renault to be different; however, I think they'll do well on tight twisty circuits, like Monaco.
The races better be more interesting this year then the last couple of seasons. Between my father and I we watched every race since 1993 (its a family thing), but last season the races were pretty boring with M Shumacher leading and the rest of the drivers following behind.
For races to be interesting, the driver has to be the key player.
| PaulC | 03-09-2003 04:26 PM |
I'm not trying to hijack this thread but I dont have a TV so I rely on the 'net for F1 news. The site I used to like, formula1.com, has been assimilated into the Formula One Group and is now officially crappy. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good website that has good, unofficial coverage of Formla One?
Thanks.
Thanks.
| vik | 03-09-2003 04:26 PM |
I enjoyed the race. I think the new rules place a lot more emphasis on strategy for the whole race weekend. But I must say not knowing how much fuel was on board in qualifying and in the race confused me quite a bit, not to mention the rain.
The jury is still out for me in regards to the rules. I will have to wait for Malaysia to get a good idea (hopefully no rain)
I am definately glad that the level of competition has gone way up.
Edit: Adding link to f1 sites
[URL=http://www.dailyf1.com]www.dailyf1.com[/URL]
[URL=http://www.itv-f1.com]itv-f1[/URL]
The jury is still out for me in regards to the rules. I will have to wait for Malaysia to get a good idea (hopefully no rain)
I am definately glad that the level of competition has gone way up.
Edit: Adding link to f1 sites
[URL=http://www.dailyf1.com]www.dailyf1.com[/URL]
[URL=http://www.itv-f1.com]itv-f1[/URL]
| DO | 03-09-2003 04:46 PM |
[URL=http://f1.racing-live.com/]http://f1.racing-live.com/[/URL]
This is a good site for F1 and WRC.
This is the site I use to follow the practise sessions.
This is a good site for F1 and WRC.
This is the site I use to follow the practise sessions.
| AndyRoo | 03-09-2003 05:45 PM |
hot damn that was even exciting to read about.
p.s., check your fantasy f1 if your on the dreamracers nasioc league.
p.s., check your fantasy f1 if your on the dreamracers nasioc league.
| wistful | 03-09-2003 06:10 PM |
OMG I got destroyed in the league.
Bridgestone tires - pfffft
Honda engines - dead last.. both of 'em.
BAR chassis - read above
da Matta - Crashed
Barchiello - NEGATIVE POINTS!
*sigh*
Don
Bridgestone tires - pfffft
Honda engines - dead last.. both of 'em.
BAR chassis - read above
da Matta - Crashed
Barchiello - NEGATIVE POINTS!
*sigh*
Don
| OnTheGas | 03-10-2003 12:14 AM |
Must Be Something In The Water
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No matter what, it was very nice to see dogfights all through-out the race.
I'm not the biggest DC fan around, but he should be congratulated, as he started mid-pack (11th!), then went into the pits on lap 2 to change to dry tires, which normally would be the kiss of death as far as being likely to earn points. Ironically, all three of the drivers who finished immediately behind him had legitimate chances to win this race too.
But I agree w/David03WRX. We shouldn't get too excited yet. I would say that the main cause for the action in this race was the rain which preceded the race, and left the circuit damp and drying. The teams were all having problems getting their dry tires to come up to temp. Jacques said afterwards that it was about 10 laps before they came on, and of course JPM kept his old tires on at his last pit-stop for the very same reason.
By Imola we should know fairly well how the teams stack up. Remember last year at Imola? Williams realized on that Sunday afternoon that Ferrari was going to walk away with the championship... I think Ralfie mentioned that in an interview after the race. Williams had figured that Imola would suit their chassis and motor last season, but the Ferrari's simply walked away from Williams.
Last year, before Imola, it had been fairly exciting, with a wild race at Melbourne featuring aerial combat between Ralfie and Rubens, and later a nice dogfight between JPM and Michael. Then Malaysia melted the Bridgestone tires off of the Ferraris, and Ralf won, while his brother and JPM bounced off of each other. Finally, at Brazil, JPM and Michael had another contre-temps on track, while Ralfie chased his brother home, but Ralfie didn't have the speed to make the pass. Everyone was fairly excited by these three races. But when the circus went back home to Europe, Ferrari rolled out the F2002, and walked away from everyone at Imola, and the championship was essentially theirs. Everyone just had to go through the motions during the required number of races while Ferrari won 1st and 2nd in the drivers championship, and the constructors championship. Meanwhile, McLaren and Williams started doing their homework early on in the season to develope the 2003 cars.
But this year, I noticed some positive things at Albert Park. Perhaps most importantly, the Michelin tires were more competitive this year than they were last year at this circuit. Michelin being outperformed by Bridgestone was a theme that started at Albert Park in 2002, and carried on through out the season. It was said over the weekend that Michelin has done their homework also during the winter. Maybe so... Three of three on the podium is good, and JPM found it wise to not bother changing his tires at last stop, and he nearly won on that strategy of racing his old Michelins.
Another positive was the Japanese teams showing much potential (BAR/Honda & Toyota), though both failed to gain points due to poor strategy and attrition respectively. And Renault is fairly fast again. It was nice to see HHF coming home again to Sauber in a rather successful way. He was very good in the Sauber. If young Mr. Heidfeld wants to land a seat a top team, he needs to beat HHF on a fairly consistant basis this season.
The only team that worries me is Jordan... I don't recall them showing much speed this weekend... Is that Ford V10 a motor or an anchor?
Two weeks to Malaysia!
I'm not the biggest DC fan around, but he should be congratulated, as he started mid-pack (11th!), then went into the pits on lap 2 to change to dry tires, which normally would be the kiss of death as far as being likely to earn points. Ironically, all three of the drivers who finished immediately behind him had legitimate chances to win this race too.
But I agree w/David03WRX. We shouldn't get too excited yet. I would say that the main cause for the action in this race was the rain which preceded the race, and left the circuit damp and drying. The teams were all having problems getting their dry tires to come up to temp. Jacques said afterwards that it was about 10 laps before they came on, and of course JPM kept his old tires on at his last pit-stop for the very same reason.
By Imola we should know fairly well how the teams stack up. Remember last year at Imola? Williams realized on that Sunday afternoon that Ferrari was going to walk away with the championship... I think Ralfie mentioned that in an interview after the race. Williams had figured that Imola would suit their chassis and motor last season, but the Ferrari's simply walked away from Williams.
Last year, before Imola, it had been fairly exciting, with a wild race at Melbourne featuring aerial combat between Ralfie and Rubens, and later a nice dogfight between JPM and Michael. Then Malaysia melted the Bridgestone tires off of the Ferraris, and Ralf won, while his brother and JPM bounced off of each other. Finally, at Brazil, JPM and Michael had another contre-temps on track, while Ralfie chased his brother home, but Ralfie didn't have the speed to make the pass. Everyone was fairly excited by these three races. But when the circus went back home to Europe, Ferrari rolled out the F2002, and walked away from everyone at Imola, and the championship was essentially theirs. Everyone just had to go through the motions during the required number of races while Ferrari won 1st and 2nd in the drivers championship, and the constructors championship. Meanwhile, McLaren and Williams started doing their homework early on in the season to develope the 2003 cars.
But this year, I noticed some positive things at Albert Park. Perhaps most importantly, the Michelin tires were more competitive this year than they were last year at this circuit. Michelin being outperformed by Bridgestone was a theme that started at Albert Park in 2002, and carried on through out the season. It was said over the weekend that Michelin has done their homework also during the winter. Maybe so... Three of three on the podium is good, and JPM found it wise to not bother changing his tires at last stop, and he nearly won on that strategy of racing his old Michelins.
Another positive was the Japanese teams showing much potential (BAR/Honda & Toyota), though both failed to gain points due to poor strategy and attrition respectively. And Renault is fairly fast again. It was nice to see HHF coming home again to Sauber in a rather successful way. He was very good in the Sauber. If young Mr. Heidfeld wants to land a seat a top team, he needs to beat HHF on a fairly consistant basis this season.
The only team that worries me is Jordan... I don't recall them showing much speed this weekend... Is that Ford V10 a motor or an anchor?
Two weeks to Malaysia!
| David03WRX | 03-10-2003 03:44 AM |
Agree with all.
I have a great shot of the airborne action...
I have a great shot of the airborne action...
| Ferg | 03-10-2003 10:37 AM |
Re: Must Be Something In The Water
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
[B] But when the circus went back home to Europe, Ferrari rolled out the F2002, and walked away from everyone at Imola, and the championship was essentially theirs...[/B][/QUOTE]
Great points all, but to clarify Schumacher did race the F2002 in Brazil last year, Rubens ran the 2001 spec car. :)
[B] But when the circus went back home to Europe, Ferrari rolled out the F2002, and walked away from everyone at Imola, and the championship was essentially theirs...[/B][/QUOTE]
Great points all, but to clarify Schumacher did race the F2002 in Brazil last year, Rubens ran the 2001 spec car. :)
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