| Ferg | 07-13-2006 02:43 PM |
Honda taking another crack at Bonneville
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You may remember the Honda F1 team brining their car (slightly modded) to the Bonneville Salt Flats last year in an attempt to set the land speed record for a Formula One car. Unfortunately the weather didn't play ball and they never got a run in...
Well they're back!
[URL=http://www.bonneville400.com/flash/default.aspx]->Bonneville 400<-[/URL]
[QUOTE]Honda gear up for record attempt
Thursday, July 13th 2006, 12:59 GMT
After two years in the making, the Honda Racing team's Bonneville 400 project will reach its conclusion next week, when they attempt to set an outright land speed record for a Formula One car.
The original record attempt, scheduled for last October, was forced to be postponed after the poor weather on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah made it impossible to complete the runs.
Honda ran shakedown tests of their car at the Mojave airfield in California in November, going over the 400km/h barrier in the unofficial attempt.
But the team will now go for the official record, running on the salt flats between the 17th and 21st of July.
"Next week sees the climax of a long two-year project for the Honda Racing F1 team," said technical director Gary Savage. "We hope that the result on the Salt Flats will reflect the hard work and dedication that has been put into this project by all the team both in the UK and Japan."
The car will be driven by South African Alan van der Merwe, and the 26-year-old admitted he could not wait.
"It's been such a long build-up so I just feel totally prepared for it," he said. "Everybody has been working so hard over the last two years and is so well prepared that I don't feel any apprehension - I just want to get out there and do it.
"It's a good feeling to know that we are going to get on a plane next week and get it on. In fact, I wish I was on my way to Bonneville right now."[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/bar_honda_bonneville.jpg[/IMG]
:D
Well they're back!
[URL=http://www.bonneville400.com/flash/default.aspx]->Bonneville 400<-[/URL]
[QUOTE]Honda gear up for record attempt
Thursday, July 13th 2006, 12:59 GMT
After two years in the making, the Honda Racing team's Bonneville 400 project will reach its conclusion next week, when they attempt to set an outright land speed record for a Formula One car.
The original record attempt, scheduled for last October, was forced to be postponed after the poor weather on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah made it impossible to complete the runs.
Honda ran shakedown tests of their car at the Mojave airfield in California in November, going over the 400km/h barrier in the unofficial attempt.
But the team will now go for the official record, running on the salt flats between the 17th and 21st of July.
"Next week sees the climax of a long two-year project for the Honda Racing F1 team," said technical director Gary Savage. "We hope that the result on the Salt Flats will reflect the hard work and dedication that has been put into this project by all the team both in the UK and Japan."
The car will be driven by South African Alan van der Merwe, and the 26-year-old admitted he could not wait.
"It's been such a long build-up so I just feel totally prepared for it," he said. "Everybody has been working so hard over the last two years and is so well prepared that I don't feel any apprehension - I just want to get out there and do it.
"It's a good feeling to know that we are going to get on a plane next week and get it on. In fact, I wish I was on my way to Bonneville right now."[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/bar_honda_bonneville.jpg[/IMG]
:D
| cdvma | 07-13-2006 03:18 PM |
Anyone know the previous record?
| Ferg | 07-13-2006 03:21 PM |
I don't think there is one actually.
Nobody has ever tried an outright speed run in an F1 car before as far as I know.
Nobody has ever tried an outright speed run in an F1 car before as far as I know.
| Draken | 07-13-2006 03:31 PM |
There is a previous record for the class. I just remember it being mentioned that some old dude with a streamliner currently holds it, and he thinks it is funny that this big budget F1 team is trying to beat it.
The record they are trying to beat, has nothing to do with F1 cars.
c'
The record they are trying to beat, has nothing to do with F1 cars.
c'
| Ferg | 07-13-2006 03:41 PM |
Are you talking about the old Auto Union streamliner that Bernd Rosemeyer bought it in back in the 1930s?
[IMG]http://granturismo4fr.free.fr/images/voitures/voiture82.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://granturismo4fr.free.fr/images/voitures/voiture82.jpg[/IMG]
| Ferg | 07-13-2006 03:49 PM |
Ah here we are...
[QUOTE]In local parlance, the F1 car Honda will bring to Bonneville next moth is classified as a 'Lakester', i.e. an open-wheeled car of 'special construction'. It's 3-liter (non-nitro) normally aspirated engine places it in Class F Unblown Gas Lakester category.
The record in this class (as sanctioned by the Southern California Timing Association and Bonneville Nationals Inc) is held by Chuck Billington's Tracer Racing run machine, which was timed at 229.969 mph in November of 2004.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Speedweek%2004/photos_13_6/IM007328.JPG[/IMG]
[QUOTE]In local parlance, the F1 car Honda will bring to Bonneville next moth is classified as a 'Lakester', i.e. an open-wheeled car of 'special construction'. It's 3-liter (non-nitro) normally aspirated engine places it in Class F Unblown Gas Lakester category.
The record in this class (as sanctioned by the Southern California Timing Association and Bonneville Nationals Inc) is held by Chuck Billington's Tracer Racing run machine, which was timed at 229.969 mph in November of 2004.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Speedweek%2004/photos_13_6/IM007328.JPG[/IMG]
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-13-2006 03:50 PM |
I want to be there.
I guess we dont know what motor they are using?
EDIT: Looks like the V10 will make a comeback.
I guess we dont know what motor they are using?
EDIT: Looks like the V10 will make a comeback.
| Ferg | 07-13-2006 03:51 PM |
I believe they're still using the 3-liter V10 for this.
[i]ah, ninja is teh faster[/i]
:)
[i]ah, ninja is teh faster[/i]
:)
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-13-2006 03:52 PM |
I think they sound alot better too.
| speedyHAM | 07-13-2006 03:54 PM |
If they run skinny wheels and tires they should be able to beat the current record without any problems.
Are they running a 2.4L V8 or the 3.0L V10?
Maybe they should be putting their efforts into the F1 races instead of this stupid publicity stunt. With another few engineers working for the last two years on the F1 car development they could have had a much better chance at winning races.
Are they running a 2.4L V8 or the 3.0L V10?
Maybe they should be putting their efforts into the F1 races instead of this stupid publicity stunt. With another few engineers working for the last two years on the F1 car development they could have had a much better chance at winning races.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 07-13-2006 03:55 PM |
I read an article in Racecar Engineering about this, was very cool. They were able to beat that record on a dry lake bed somewhere (El Mirage?). Another goal was to make it where they could run it under the rules of F1 (rear wing, intermediate tires, etc.).
| Ferg | 07-13-2006 03:56 PM |
[QUOTE=speedyHAM]If they run skinny wheels and tires they should be able to beat the current record without any problems. [/QUOTE]
When they first came out with this, Gil De Ferran was pretty clear that they wanted to keep the car as close to a race-spec Grand Prix as they could.
When they first came out with this, Gil De Ferran was pretty clear that they wanted to keep the car as close to a race-spec Grand Prix as they could.
| Chiketkd | 07-13-2006 04:03 PM |
Holy crap! 400km/h = 250mph for us Yanks!
I'm very interested in seeing what speed they're able to hit on an official run! :cool:
I'm very interested in seeing what speed they're able to hit on an official run! :cool:
| TyrannoSullyRex | 07-13-2006 05:10 PM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd]Holy crap! 400km/h = 250mph for us Yanks!
I'm very interested in seeing what speed they're able to hit on an official run! :cool:[/QUOTE]
I looked it up and they did 428kph (266 mph) at the Mojave airport (not El Mirage dry lake, like I thought).
[url]http://tinyurl.com/bekn5[/url]
I'm very interested in seeing what speed they're able to hit on an official run! :cool:[/QUOTE]
I looked it up and they did 428kph (266 mph) at the Mojave airport (not El Mirage dry lake, like I thought).
[url]http://tinyurl.com/bekn5[/url]
| zoomfactor | 07-13-2006 05:13 PM |
266 isn't bad for a car that can also pull a few G's lateral :eek:
| StuBeck | 07-13-2006 06:11 PM |
Yea, if they take the wings off and run better tyres I think they could probably easily hit 500kph. This is cool, but another issue which is draining the resources of the team when they could be spending it, yea know, on making the car less crappy ;)
| Ferg | 07-18-2006 10:02 AM |
Latest news from the salt flats.
[QUOTE]Honda set record, 400km/h still elusive
Tuesday, July 18th 2006, 12:08 GMT
Honda have established the first official land speed record for a Formula One car, but are yet to reach their 400km/h target.
Driver Alan van der Merwe achieved an aggregate speed of 220.571mph (354.975km/h) over two runs of a measured mile on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah.
Although higher speeds have been recorded on the long straights of tracks like Monza or the original Hockenheim, Honda's Bonneville 400 programme was the first attempt to set an F1 benchmark using the criteria required for an official land speed record.
"We've made huge progress today by setting this new benchmark for an F1 car," said van der Merwe.
"On my first runs this morning, I doubted we could do it because the surface was so slippery. I had a spin or two, but the salt surface came to us and we were able to set this new record.
"We haven't done 400km/h yet though, which is our ultimate target. In a way it's quite nice we didn�t, because it shows that this is a genuine challenge and not just a case of us turning up, nailing it and going home.
"You have to work for every extra mile an hour here and we may not break the 400 mark, but that�s still our goal.
"But one thing you can�t deny is that we have set the fastest ever speed in an F1 car at the home of the land speed record."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Honda set record, 400km/h still elusive
Tuesday, July 18th 2006, 12:08 GMT
Honda have established the first official land speed record for a Formula One car, but are yet to reach their 400km/h target.
Driver Alan van der Merwe achieved an aggregate speed of 220.571mph (354.975km/h) over two runs of a measured mile on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah.
Although higher speeds have been recorded on the long straights of tracks like Monza or the original Hockenheim, Honda's Bonneville 400 programme was the first attempt to set an F1 benchmark using the criteria required for an official land speed record.
"We've made huge progress today by setting this new benchmark for an F1 car," said van der Merwe.
"On my first runs this morning, I doubted we could do it because the surface was so slippery. I had a spin or two, but the salt surface came to us and we were able to set this new record.
"We haven't done 400km/h yet though, which is our ultimate target. In a way it's quite nice we didn�t, because it shows that this is a genuine challenge and not just a case of us turning up, nailing it and going home.
"You have to work for every extra mile an hour here and we may not break the 400 mark, but that�s still our goal.
"But one thing you can�t deny is that we have set the fastest ever speed in an F1 car at the home of the land speed record."[/QUOTE]
| MattDell | 07-18-2006 10:22 AM |
[QUOTE=Draken]I just remember it being mentioned that some old dude with a streamliner currently holds it, and he thinks it is funny that this big budget F1 team is trying to beat it.[/QUOTE]
I think the big deal is that it's FIA-legal, and it can set a land speed record.
-Matt
I think the big deal is that it's FIA-legal, and it can set a land speed record.
-Matt
| Dr. WOT | 07-18-2006 10:25 AM |
Maybe they should take a crack at getting both cars out of Q1 on a consistant basis instead.... :/
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-18-2006 10:47 AM |
They rented the whole flats, apparently.
Which = no access. :(
Which = no access. :(
| Wr4wrX | 07-19-2006 06:15 AM |
[url]http://www.bonneville400.com/[/url] >> Enter >> Video & Audio >> Watch >> Bonneville VJ Film = Formula 1 on acid.
| mofugga | 07-19-2006 07:36 AM |
[QUOTE] Honda set record, 400km/h still elusive
Tuesday, July 18th 2006, 12:08 GMT
Honda have established the first official land speed record for a Formula One car, but are yet to reach their 400km/h target.
Driver Alan van der Merwe achieved an aggregate speed of 220.571mph (354.975km/h) over two runs of a measured mile on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah.
Although higher speeds have been recorded on the long straights of tracks like Monza or the original Hockenheim, Honda's Bonneville 400 programme was the first attempt to set an F1 benchmark using the criteria required for an official land speed record.
"We've made huge progress today by setting this new benchmark for an F1 car," said van der Merwe.
"On my first runs this morning, I doubted we could do it because the surface was so slippery. I had a spin or two, but the salt surface came to us and we were able to set this new record.
"We haven't done 400km/h yet though, which is our ultimate target. In a way it's quite nice we didn�t, because it shows that this is a genuine challenge and not just a case of us turning up, nailing it and going home.
"You have to work for every extra mile an hour here and we may not break the 400 mark, but that�s still our goal.
"But one thing you can�t deny is that we have set the fastest ever speed in an F1 car at the home of the land speed record."[/QUOTE]
this will be honda's only brightspot this year from f1 & it's not even f1 :lol:
Tuesday, July 18th 2006, 12:08 GMT
Honda have established the first official land speed record for a Formula One car, but are yet to reach their 400km/h target.
Driver Alan van der Merwe achieved an aggregate speed of 220.571mph (354.975km/h) over two runs of a measured mile on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah.
Although higher speeds have been recorded on the long straights of tracks like Monza or the original Hockenheim, Honda's Bonneville 400 programme was the first attempt to set an F1 benchmark using the criteria required for an official land speed record.
"We've made huge progress today by setting this new benchmark for an F1 car," said van der Merwe.
"On my first runs this morning, I doubted we could do it because the surface was so slippery. I had a spin or two, but the salt surface came to us and we were able to set this new record.
"We haven't done 400km/h yet though, which is our ultimate target. In a way it's quite nice we didn�t, because it shows that this is a genuine challenge and not just a case of us turning up, nailing it and going home.
"You have to work for every extra mile an hour here and we may not break the 400 mark, but that�s still our goal.
"But one thing you can�t deny is that we have set the fastest ever speed in an F1 car at the home of the land speed record."[/QUOTE]
this will be honda's only brightspot this year from f1 & it's not even f1 :lol:
| Slick Nick | 07-19-2006 07:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX][url]http://www.bonneville400.com/[/url] >> Enter >> Video & Audio >> Watch >> Bonneville VJ Film = Formula 1 on acid.[/QUOTE]
That video is the reason Honda is doing so poorly in Formula 1 this year. They need to add a barfing smiley just for that video.....
This had better not become a trend with other teams. If it does know one is going to spend any time or money developing the cars for the race and all this talk of saving money on spiralling engine costs will be for nothing as the hot topic becomes how to prevent spiralling bonniville costs. :rolleyes:
-Nick
That video is the reason Honda is doing so poorly in Formula 1 this year. They need to add a barfing smiley just for that video.....
This had better not become a trend with other teams. If it does know one is going to spend any time or money developing the cars for the race and all this talk of saving money on spiralling engine costs will be for nothing as the hot topic becomes how to prevent spiralling bonniville costs. :rolleyes:
-Nick
| lil'redwagon | 07-20-2006 07:23 AM |
that video - you've got to be kidding me! it looks like random f1 coverage sent through an iTunes visualizer. with terrible music playing on the iTunes. the barfy-smiley is right. what a waste of resources.
| Ferg | 07-20-2006 01:21 PM |
Getting closer...
[QUOTE]Honda get closer to 400km/h record
Thursday, July 20th 2006, 16:23 GMT
The Honda Racing team achieved their target of a 400km/h pass on the third day of running at the Bonneville International Speedway in Utah.
The team, however, were unable to match the record speed on the return pass, meaning the time itself will not be recorded as a land speed record.
The average speed of the two runs was 393.613km/h, breaking the team's own record from Monday.
"Having finally reached 400km/h today feels great," said driver Alan van der Merwe. "Although we were happy yesterday with 392km/h, 400 has always been the magical number, and having done it in one direction, it must be possible to do it in both."
Honda will try to reach the 400km/h average again tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Honda get closer to 400km/h record
Thursday, July 20th 2006, 16:23 GMT
The Honda Racing team achieved their target of a 400km/h pass on the third day of running at the Bonneville International Speedway in Utah.
The team, however, were unable to match the record speed on the return pass, meaning the time itself will not be recorded as a land speed record.
The average speed of the two runs was 393.613km/h, breaking the team's own record from Monday.
"Having finally reached 400km/h today feels great," said driver Alan van der Merwe. "Although we were happy yesterday with 392km/h, 400 has always been the magical number, and having done it in one direction, it must be possible to do it in both."
Honda will try to reach the 400km/h average again tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
| bitterWRX | 07-20-2006 01:56 PM |
At that speed, would the driver survive if the car rolled?
| StuBeck | 07-20-2006 02:23 PM |
Yea, the chassis is made to take huge rollovers, its been a big point ever since Wurz's rollover hoop failed in 98 in the Benneton.
| Rymep | 07-20-2006 02:54 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan]They rented the whole flats, apparently.
Which = no access. :([/QUOTE]
Yeah, I tried to go watch but they're being asses about everything. Had the cops stop me the second I left the highway and told me to go home.
Which = no access. :([/QUOTE]
Yeah, I tried to go watch but they're being asses about everything. Had the cops stop me the second I left the highway and told me to go home.
| Ferg | 07-21-2006 11:31 AM |
Honda wraps up...
[QUOTE]Honda fall just short of 400km/h
Friday, July 21st 2006, 09:24 GMT
The Honda Racing team completed their Bonneville 400 challenge on Friday, although the Japanese squad failed to set the 400km/h record they were targeting from the start.
Since last Tuesday, the team and their driver Alan van der Merwe had broken the FIA class world records three times, and the South African driver went even faster on his final attempt.
He ended with an average speed of 397.360km/h over two runs of the Bonneville flying mile.
The new record was nearly 4km/h quicker than yesterday, but just around 3km/h shy of the original target of 400km/h.
"I think in general the feeling is satisfaction with what we achieved," said van der Merwe. "It would have been nice to have a round number for the record and we are only two and half ks off that.
"In fact, we know we did everything possible to the car; we timed it exactly right today with the weather and we're pretty sure we couldn't have got more out of it, possibly another kilometre an hour but we would have needed freakishly good weather to do that.
"So, yeah, I'm really happy and slightly relieved as well, because it has been really stressful, every day, and we now know we have had the best day possible to run the car. And also the fact that the team did really well - the first thing to let go was the car; Altogether its been great to set the record and very rewarding to reach 400km/h, its been a great week"
Bonneville 400 Technical Director Gary Savage added: "Today we went racing, this is the racing truth isn't it? The only thing there is, is the stop watch, no excuses, no nothing, you just go for it.
"The team were fantastic they did everything on the car to get it to go quicker. We did hit 400 for one of our runs, we did 399km/h for another and our average is 397km/h so it's pretty good really."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Honda fall just short of 400km/h
Friday, July 21st 2006, 09:24 GMT
The Honda Racing team completed their Bonneville 400 challenge on Friday, although the Japanese squad failed to set the 400km/h record they were targeting from the start.
Since last Tuesday, the team and their driver Alan van der Merwe had broken the FIA class world records three times, and the South African driver went even faster on his final attempt.
He ended with an average speed of 397.360km/h over two runs of the Bonneville flying mile.
The new record was nearly 4km/h quicker than yesterday, but just around 3km/h shy of the original target of 400km/h.
"I think in general the feeling is satisfaction with what we achieved," said van der Merwe. "It would have been nice to have a round number for the record and we are only two and half ks off that.
"In fact, we know we did everything possible to the car; we timed it exactly right today with the weather and we're pretty sure we couldn't have got more out of it, possibly another kilometre an hour but we would have needed freakishly good weather to do that.
"So, yeah, I'm really happy and slightly relieved as well, because it has been really stressful, every day, and we now know we have had the best day possible to run the car. And also the fact that the team did really well - the first thing to let go was the car; Altogether its been great to set the record and very rewarding to reach 400km/h, its been a great week"
Bonneville 400 Technical Director Gary Savage added: "Today we went racing, this is the racing truth isn't it? The only thing there is, is the stop watch, no excuses, no nothing, you just go for it.
"The team were fantastic they did everything on the car to get it to go quicker. We did hit 400 for one of our runs, we did 399km/h for another and our average is 397km/h so it's pretty good really."[/QUOTE]
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