| DrewSTi | 08-22-2006 07:12 PM |
Just a Few STi auto-x ?s
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OK, I'm not new to auto-x, but I am new to auto-xing an STi. I have an 05', that is completly stock I just picked it up yesterday and I'm going to the NER event at NHIS, on sunday. I just want some suggested tire pressure settings to start with. Also, should I leave the DCCD in auto? or select my own setting? I don't have slicks, I just want the car to be fun for possibly my last auto-x of the season.
All of my auto-x expirence is in a 00' Civic Si that I ran in STS, quite competively too. I was actully a .5 second faster than my friends EVO at a couple events. He was in AS. I know this means next to nothing to anybody but me, but I found it entertaning.
All of my auto-x expirence is in a 00' Civic Si that I ran in STS, quite competively too. I was actully a .5 second faster than my friends EVO at a couple events. He was in AS. I know this means next to nothing to anybody but me, but I found it entertaning.
| bdi | 08-22-2006 07:18 PM |
Im gonna guess and say that you have the stock 070's for tires. With that i say start with a tire pressure around 40 psi in the front and maybe a little less in the rear and mark the sidewalls with chalk and adjust accordingly. Im sure other people will chime in with what tire pressure worked for them.
As far as the DCCD settings. Leave it in auto.
Just go out and have fun!
Good luck
As far as the DCCD settings. Leave it in auto.
Just go out and have fun!
Good luck
| The_Wolf | 08-22-2006 07:28 PM |
personally I liked higher pressures in the 070's. I usually run them in the mid 40's depending on conditions.
As for the DCCD....learn the dynamics of the car in auto first. You will most likely be faster anyway. The car is a whole different beast when you start playing with the dccd. If you are going to be at the following NER event at Devens, hunt me down and we can talk! I drive the 06 sti in AS. I am going to miss this weekends event due to a wedding :(
*edit*-- FYI...if you have the chance, adjust the front for as much negative camber you can get before the autox.
As for the DCCD....learn the dynamics of the car in auto first. You will most likely be faster anyway. The car is a whole different beast when you start playing with the dccd. If you are going to be at the following NER event at Devens, hunt me down and we can talk! I drive the 06 sti in AS. I am going to miss this weekends event due to a wedding :(
*edit*-- FYI...if you have the chance, adjust the front for as much negative camber you can get before the autox.
| WRXedUSA | 08-22-2006 07:28 PM |
40F
38R
DCCD Auto or one click back.
Alternative methods that I have seen run real fast are:
40F
45R
DCCD full rear
38R
DCCD Auto or one click back.
Alternative methods that I have seen run real fast are:
40F
45R
DCCD full rear
| Kman_STi | 08-22-2006 07:31 PM |
With the re070s, I've been running 44psi front, and 36psi rear with great success while autox'n. Haven't had much success changing the dccd, so I've just been keeping in auto, but once again. With great success...
Alot of this may depend on your driving style/comfort. So, get as much seat time as possible. Have fun.
Alot of this may depend on your driving style/comfort. So, get as much seat time as possible. Have fun.
| DrewSTi | 08-22-2006 08:17 PM |
[QUOTE=The_Wolf]
If you are going to be at the following NER event at Devens, hunt me down and we can talk! I drive the 06 sti in AS. I am going to miss this weekends event due to a wedding :(
*edit*-- FYI...if you have the chance, adjust the front for as much negative camber you can get before the autox.[/QUOTE]
Have we met? Is it a WR blue 06? If so I think I sat next to you in the Timing Van once.
Thank you all, thats just what I was looking for. :)
If you are going to be at the following NER event at Devens, hunt me down and we can talk! I drive the 06 sti in AS. I am going to miss this weekends event due to a wedding :(
*edit*-- FYI...if you have the chance, adjust the front for as much negative camber you can get before the autox.[/QUOTE]
Have we met? Is it a WR blue 06? If so I think I sat next to you in the Timing Van once.
Thank you all, thats just what I was looking for. :)
| STirocket | 08-22-2006 09:26 PM |
I'm at Cobb stage 1 with a Whiteline adjustable 27-28 bar on the front and 22-23-24 on the rear. They are set to 28 and 23 and I think I like them like that. I started experimenting with pressures last practice and had the best luck with 38f 34r. If it's a hot day you should probably take a gauge and adjust them as it warms up. I borrowed a friend's pyrometer but haven't had a chance to use it yet.
The most noticeable thing you may find is that with this car you have enough HP to push through a corner no matter how much negative camber you have dialed in, race tires or not. I finally started to listen to people who knew from experience and slowed my entrance speed. Then I could exit faster and my times dropped dramatically. Slow in - fast out... My tires appreciated it too, as they all but stopped screaming at me. :)
The most noticeable thing you may find is that with this car you have enough HP to push through a corner no matter how much negative camber you have dialed in, race tires or not. I finally started to listen to people who knew from experience and slowed my entrance speed. Then I could exit faster and my times dropped dramatically. Slow in - fast out... My tires appreciated it too, as they all but stopped screaming at me. :)
| The_Wolf | 08-22-2006 09:30 PM |
nope...I have a Crystal Grey STI (see pic below)
...not sure if we've met...
[IMG]http://solopix.flr-scca.com/2006/Divisionals/img_4814.jpg[/IMG]
...not sure if we've met...
[IMG]http://solopix.flr-scca.com/2006/Divisionals/img_4814.jpg[/IMG]
| DrewSTi | 08-22-2006 09:35 PM |
^that was my other feeling, it was a grey one not blue. We have met, I think.
Ok so try, Slow in fast out, use the accerlation power to my advantage, where in my Honda I needed to carry alot of momentum through the turns to. All in all, I just need to remember the key to auto-x, being super smooth, makes you super fast. I've been doing alot of indoor karting and its really taught me that smoothness is the key to being fast consitantly.
Ok so try, Slow in fast out, use the accerlation power to my advantage, where in my Honda I needed to carry alot of momentum through the turns to. All in all, I just need to remember the key to auto-x, being super smooth, makes you super fast. I've been doing alot of indoor karting and its really taught me that smoothness is the key to being fast consitantly.
| STi-MAN | 08-22-2006 10:02 PM |
[QUOTE=STirocket]
The most noticeable thing you may find is that with this car you have enough HP to push through a corner no matter how much negative camber you have dialed in, race tires or not. I finally started to listen to people who knew from experience and slowed my entrance speed. Then I could exit faster and my times dropped dramatically. Slow in - fast out... My tires appreciated it too, as they all but stopped screaming at me. :)[/QUOTE]
+1 i learned this, last weekend... slow in fast out makes the car feel so much more neutral, but after last weekend im really having second thoughts about having my front bar set on 29... for some reason i feel like its pushing considerably more then when it was set on 27.
The most noticeable thing you may find is that with this car you have enough HP to push through a corner no matter how much negative camber you have dialed in, race tires or not. I finally started to listen to people who knew from experience and slowed my entrance speed. Then I could exit faster and my times dropped dramatically. Slow in - fast out... My tires appreciated it too, as they all but stopped screaming at me. :)[/QUOTE]
+1 i learned this, last weekend... slow in fast out makes the car feel so much more neutral, but after last weekend im really having second thoughts about having my front bar set on 29... for some reason i feel like its pushing considerably more then when it was set on 27.
| BlueDominion | 08-23-2006 10:08 AM |
I've been running at 42f 41r and keeping the DCCD in auto. It's been working pretty well for me. If you drop the DCCD back to full-rear, you get a lot less "pull" when you nail the throttle coming out of the tight corners. With the DCCD in auto, as long as you slow down on the way into the corner, the fronts will really pull you around when you gas it. I've started hitting the gas a little bit sooner in corners for this reason, and it's been helping my times a lot.
| ChrisL2 | 08-23-2006 10:31 AM |
Enjoy power oversteer :) I went from a 1st gen neon to my STi.
I've typically run 43F/39R-40R when I had the RE070. I ran with a 40F/45R once, but the car was way too tail happy for me.
I've done auto and 1 click from full rear. I haven't noticed any difference and was getting the same times, however, I'm not that great of a driver.
I've typically run 43F/39R-40R when I had the RE070. I ran with a 40F/45R once, but the car was way too tail happy for me.
I've done auto and 1 click from full rear. I haven't noticed any difference and was getting the same times, however, I'm not that great of a driver.
| KC | 08-23-2006 10:46 AM |
Get an instructor to run with ya.... *cough*
--kC
--kC
| BlueDominion | 08-23-2006 11:20 AM |
^^ You just like riding shotty with everyone, ya bum. Actually, I think I'm going to have to request a ride in the RX8 sometime. Especially after seeing you do a full-out drift around a corner your first run the other week. Looked like fuuuuuuun!
| KC | 08-23-2006 11:25 AM |
Seats usually open unless I have 2 dirty runs already.
| 2superblus | 08-23-2006 11:35 AM |
I have run my STI once so far this year ( I just got it end of July) and I ran 45 up front and 42 rear, camber as much as factory will give you -1. degree up front no adjust ment for the rear and 0 toe front and rear. I ran my first autocross driving the STI in STU in the rain and left the DCCD in auto.
I have been autocrossing for 6 years about 16 or so events a season and this car has been the most fun so far.
Bart
I have been autocrossing for 6 years about 16 or so events a season and this car has been the most fun so far.
Bart
| DrBiggly | 08-23-2006 12:22 PM |
I'd ride with KC/get KC to ride with you. Folks can peck away at their keyboards with advice and a lot of it is good, but nothing is better than hands-on with an instructor. Also see if he can take you on a run in your car. That experience will be worth more than all of NASIOC's posts combined for gaining insight into the vehicle's dynamics. :)
-Biggly
-Biggly
| KC | 08-23-2006 01:01 PM |
NER is finiky with allowing instructors to run students cars at points events... especially if they haven't run yet. Something about getting a 'look' at the course before anyone else being a 'competitive advantage'. (Its all hogwash to me... but there are some that see it that way).
Not saying it can't be done, but the student also has to give up one of their timed runs... or else instructors would be 'borrowing' many cars. ;)
Things have to come around just right.
That said, in the spring, there's usually the NER Solo School. Instructors do take out students cars with them in it to show them different elements.
I'll most likely be shooting video for it by the end of the year.
--kC
Not saying it can't be done, but the student also has to give up one of their timed runs... or else instructors would be 'borrowing' many cars. ;)
Things have to come around just right.
That said, in the spring, there's usually the NER Solo School. Instructors do take out students cars with them in it to show them different elements.
I'll most likely be shooting video for it by the end of the year.
--kC
| RumblingREX | 08-23-2006 04:08 PM |
I found with the 070's that I like 36psi. I ran the tires in the 40's and the car felt slick. The last AUtoX I ran 36 all around and the car felt 100% better and no sidewall rolling. If I were you with your set-up, I would arrive with 40+ psi in the tires as others have recommended, but dont' be afraid to drop them quick if they feel slick to you. I would recommend 36F/38R in Auto. I didn't have any success playing with the DCCD last year.
-j
-j
| DrewSTi | 08-24-2006 02:20 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Get an instructor to run with ya.... *cough*
--kC[/QUOTE]
I know who you are now :D, If you want to ride with me I would appriciated that very much.
--kC[/QUOTE]
I know who you are now :D, If you want to ride with me I would appriciated that very much.
| STFU STi | 08-24-2006 02:39 PM |
when I still had my RE070's on my STi.. I found the best set-up to be
42 front
45/46 rear.
I don't know how you guys are doing it with lower front than rear pressures..
kept the DCCD in auto..
HOWEVER,
I've since gone to the Strano FSB, and 245/40-17 Hankook R-S2 (bastard car between AS and STU) running the same pressures so far, (only 3 events on these tires)
and have had continued success.. and now run DCCD full rear.. once re-learning the car it still rotates so beautifully!!.
+1 on the instructor thing. I do ALOT of ride-alongs in my home regions... and try my best to help the new folks.
those who can't, teach!
it is all about seat-time.. whether driving or riding.. it is still time in the seat feeling that friction circle..
42 front
45/46 rear.
I don't know how you guys are doing it with lower front than rear pressures..
kept the DCCD in auto..
HOWEVER,
I've since gone to the Strano FSB, and 245/40-17 Hankook R-S2 (bastard car between AS and STU) running the same pressures so far, (only 3 events on these tires)
and have had continued success.. and now run DCCD full rear.. once re-learning the car it still rotates so beautifully!!.
+1 on the instructor thing. I do ALOT of ride-alongs in my home regions... and try my best to help the new folks.
those who can't, teach!
it is all about seat-time.. whether driving or riding.. it is still time in the seat feeling that friction circle..
| The_Wolf | 08-24-2006 02:53 PM |
Rolling the DCCD back to full rear is the way I tweak if I need rear rotation now. I run 275/40 V710's all around (along with the strano bar) and the back end is much harder to kick out with them. I run AS FTR.
| ghostshadow | 08-24-2006 04:07 PM |
~35psi front, ~39 rear in a stock sti on re070's. diff set to auto to put the power down most efficiently. the added rear psi helps rotation. use a pyrometer/watch the sidewall to keep tabs on the front tires.
when accelerating out of a sweeper and you feel the rear coming around.. don't lift! keep your foot in it and countersteer.. the front and center diffs will do their magic (as long as it's in auto). that was my turning point in the sti once gj dixon took me for a ride..
have fun
-dan
when accelerating out of a sweeper and you feel the rear coming around.. don't lift! keep your foot in it and countersteer.. the front and center diffs will do their magic (as long as it's in auto). that was my turning point in the sti once gj dixon took me for a ride..
have fun
-dan
| DrewSTi | 08-24-2006 10:51 PM |
All great advice. I'm taking notes and learing everybodys secrects. ;)
| mesa50w | 08-25-2006 02:55 AM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]I'd ride with KC/get KC to ride with you. Folks can peck away at their keyboards with advice and a lot of it is good, but nothing is better than hands-on with an instructor. Also see if he can take you on a run in your car. That experience will be worth more than all of NASIOC's posts combined for gaining insight into the vehicle's dynamics. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
This will help you more than anything else. Biggly was a instrucutre at a novice scool I attend this year. I learen more about my car that day than I could ever thought. Thanks again Biggly
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
This will help you more than anything else. Biggly was a instrucutre at a novice scool I attend this year. I learen more about my car that day than I could ever thought. Thanks again Biggly
| splurta | 08-30-2006 11:20 AM |
Hey Drew, so how did it go on the wknd? What did you find worked. Hope you had fun!
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