| HoRo1 | 05-29-2003 04:42 PM |
Just how expensive is the lowest level of competition?
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Well, following me getting black flagged at Laguna Seca for having VERY noisy wheel bearings, the following events unfolded.
I drove back to LA - about 280 miles. I took my car in to have the wheel bearing issue addressed and after 2 new sets of front wheel bearings and 2 new hubs, I still need a new CV joint (at least 1). Immediately before going to Laguna Seca I had to have my from suspension top mounts and bearings serviced. The total bill is going to be somewhere between $1100-$1600 (depending on how many $ I want to throw at the axle/CV joint problem. Obviously, if I felt so inclined I could go nuts and drop several grand into the front end (and live to regret it), but I'm trying to be sensible.
So far this year;
2 days at Sears - $325 (I think) + $300 gas, hotel, food
4 days at Willow Springs - $450 + $150 g,h,f
2 days at Streets of Willow - $195 +$75 gas and food + $270 on tyres
2 days at Laguna Seca - $325 + $300 g,h,f + >$1100 repairs
Add to that fluids, filters, alignments, incidentals - $1000 (guestimate, no paperwork to hand).
I make that around $4.5K!
I'm done for the year. :( No more competition this year, and I'll pick just 4 events for next year with maybe a couple of midweek track days thrown in here and there.
No wonder I'm so depressed right now. :disco:
I drove back to LA - about 280 miles. I took my car in to have the wheel bearing issue addressed and after 2 new sets of front wheel bearings and 2 new hubs, I still need a new CV joint (at least 1). Immediately before going to Laguna Seca I had to have my from suspension top mounts and bearings serviced. The total bill is going to be somewhere between $1100-$1600 (depending on how many $ I want to throw at the axle/CV joint problem. Obviously, if I felt so inclined I could go nuts and drop several grand into the front end (and live to regret it), but I'm trying to be sensible.
So far this year;
2 days at Sears - $325 (I think) + $300 gas, hotel, food
4 days at Willow Springs - $450 + $150 g,h,f
2 days at Streets of Willow - $195 +$75 gas and food + $270 on tyres
2 days at Laguna Seca - $325 + $300 g,h,f + >$1100 repairs
Add to that fluids, filters, alignments, incidentals - $1000 (guestimate, no paperwork to hand).
I make that around $4.5K!
I'm done for the year. :( No more competition this year, and I'll pick just 4 events for next year with maybe a couple of midweek track days thrown in here and there.
No wonder I'm so depressed right now. :disco:
| 10th Warrior | 05-29-2003 04:45 PM |
racing, at any level, costs everything you have. i'm broke too and that's just from stock class auto-x and rally-x. i can't wait until the rally car is done :cool:
| mch | 05-29-2003 05:38 PM |
The best advice I've ever heard about going racing was, " don't do it on a credit card." At least you still have your car and can look forward to next year.
Hope things work out.
Hope things work out.
| grumbly | 05-29-2003 06:29 PM |
No one said being a track whore is cheep. I decided at the beginning of this year that I would keep a spreadsheet of everything I spend on track events (rallyx, autox, lapping days, schools, ect�). Everyone I mentioned this to looked at me like I was crazy as the predominant theme seems to be �ignorance is bliss�. Most would rather just not know how much they are spending and be just gleefully ignorant. So far I have done 4 lapping days and a few Autox/rallyx for 1.7K which averages out to about $425 a day. Seem your averaging about ~$450 for a day of track time. That seems about right for a daily driver.
As for cheap racing the word has it that spec miata is the lowest bang for the buck. Up front costs are going to kill you if you don�t have the infrastructure already (truck, trailer, tools ect�) but after the initial outlay the cars are really easy on tires and pads.
As for cheap racing the word has it that spec miata is the lowest bang for the buck. Up front costs are going to kill you if you don�t have the infrastructure already (truck, trailer, tools ect�) but after the initial outlay the cars are really easy on tires and pads.
| Jaxx | 05-29-2003 10:06 PM |
are you cooking your berrings ... bigger brakes perhaps?
| Robin2 | 05-29-2003 10:33 PM |
No matter what you race, it's never cheap!
Is lapping events that expensive in the states? A typical full day of lapping will cost me around $200..... not including tires (wear).... but track fees and gas....
To reduce cost, take a general mechanic class.... true you won't be licensed mechanic but you'll learn on how to change brakes, suspension, etc.....
Another way is to find a good parts store and try to get the jobber rate.... (this is what the garages usually pay) and it's not even close to the full retail price.
I want to rally and I crew for a CDN pro team and I'm always amazed the amount of $$ going out! At the last event, our team blew the engine. The driver ordered another Evo engine from TAD motorsports and had it shipped to Vancouver.... for the next event in June.... Just the engine cost alone is more than my whole lapping/auto-x, TSD and rally x budget!
Robin
Is lapping events that expensive in the states? A typical full day of lapping will cost me around $200..... not including tires (wear).... but track fees and gas....
To reduce cost, take a general mechanic class.... true you won't be licensed mechanic but you'll learn on how to change brakes, suspension, etc.....
Another way is to find a good parts store and try to get the jobber rate.... (this is what the garages usually pay) and it's not even close to the full retail price.
I want to rally and I crew for a CDN pro team and I'm always amazed the amount of $$ going out! At the last event, our team blew the engine. The driver ordered another Evo engine from TAD motorsports and had it shipped to Vancouver.... for the next event in June.... Just the engine cost alone is more than my whole lapping/auto-x, TSD and rally x budget!
Robin
| Kostamojen | 05-30-2003 02:44 AM |
The costs are why im still just autocrossing ocassionally and havent even made it to a track event yet :(
| grumbly | 05-30-2003 03:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Robin2 [/i]
[B]Is lapping events that expensive in the states? A typical full day of lapping will cost me around $200..... not [/B][/QUOTE]
Well keep in mind that the price I quoted is for [i]everything[/i] I have spent on what I consider track expenses (Example being that I burnt through my normal road tires after a season of autox/track abuse and needed another set). These expenses also include any changes I have made to the car in the name of track performance.
[B]Is lapping events that expensive in the states? A typical full day of lapping will cost me around $200..... not [/B][/QUOTE]
Well keep in mind that the price I quoted is for [i]everything[/i] I have spent on what I consider track expenses (Example being that I burnt through my normal road tires after a season of autox/track abuse and needed another set). These expenses also include any changes I have made to the car in the name of track performance.
| spidey02wrx | 05-30-2003 07:36 AM |
yup, its damn expensive. one of the best quotes I've seen regarding racing is something along the lines of:
"racing is like sitting in a wind tunnel tearing up one-hundred dollar bills". At least you haven't stuffed the car like I did... and it was only a DE. That hurts the old go-fast budget big time.
good luck!
"racing is like sitting in a wind tunnel tearing up one-hundred dollar bills". At least you haven't stuffed the car like I did... and it was only a DE. That hurts the old go-fast budget big time.
good luck!
| KC | 05-30-2003 08:23 AM |
Petersburg ProSolo:
From MA to VA and back, towing the car... $200/gas alone.
Tolls: $38.50
Food: $35
Room: $105
Entry Fee: $60
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$438.50
This doesn't even count any mods/maintenance or whatnot on the car to get ready for it.
I'm heading to Toledo next week, and it's going to be close to $350 in gas and close to $75 in tolls (4 axle again). Add in the $60 entry fee, food, etc... and it gets expensive again. :)
Racing ain't cheap. No way, no how. (It can be, if you only run local events)
--kC
From MA to VA and back, towing the car... $200/gas alone.
Tolls: $38.50
Food: $35
Room: $105
Entry Fee: $60
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$438.50
This doesn't even count any mods/maintenance or whatnot on the car to get ready for it.
I'm heading to Toledo next week, and it's going to be close to $350 in gas and close to $75 in tolls (4 axle again). Add in the $60 entry fee, food, etc... and it gets expensive again. :)
Racing ain't cheap. No way, no how. (It can be, if you only run local events)
--kC
| Storm | 05-30-2003 08:49 AM |
I choose not to dwell on the cost since I know it will make me depressed. I focus on the fun I had/have while doing it.[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Petersburg ProSolo:
From MA to VA and back, towing the car... $200/gas alone.
Tolls: $38.50
Food: $35
Room: $105
Entry Fee: $60
--------------
$438.50
This doesn't even count any mods/maintenance or whatnot on the car to get ready for it.
I'm heading to Toledo next week, and it's going to be close to $350 in gas and close to $75 in tolls (4 axle again). Add in the $60 entry fee, food, etc... and it gets expensive again. :)
Racing ain't cheap. No way, no how. (It can be, if you only run local events)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]See you in Toledo, KC! Are you bringing any GC8 DSP folks with you? We're anxious to gauge ourselves against them before Topeka!
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
[B]Petersburg ProSolo:
From MA to VA and back, towing the car... $200/gas alone.
Tolls: $38.50
Food: $35
Room: $105
Entry Fee: $60
--------------
$438.50
This doesn't even count any mods/maintenance or whatnot on the car to get ready for it.
I'm heading to Toledo next week, and it's going to be close to $350 in gas and close to $75 in tolls (4 axle again). Add in the $60 entry fee, food, etc... and it gets expensive again. :)
Racing ain't cheap. No way, no how. (It can be, if you only run local events)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]See you in Toledo, KC! Are you bringing any GC8 DSP folks with you? We're anxious to gauge ourselves against them before Topeka!
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
| jprowland | 05-30-2003 09:23 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Robin2 [/i]
[B]I want to rally and I crew for a CDN pro team and I'm always amazed the amount of $$ going out! At the last event, our team blew the engine. The driver ordered another Evo engine from TAD motorsports and had it shipped to Vancouver.... for the next event in June.... Just the engine cost alone is more than my whole lapping/auto-x, TSD and rally x budget![/B][/QUOTE]
Here's an enlightening article written by one of the STPR organizers on what it costs to rally:
[url]http://catalog.com/susq/other/carprep.htm[/url] (Part I)
[url]http://catalog.com/susq/other/evntcost.htm[/url] (Part II)
As a co-driver, just to sit in the right seat, I drop anywhere from $200-600 for an event. Typically I pay for transportation, lodging, meals, and sometimes half the entry fee. A driver at the Club level can expect to drop around $1k per weekend, at the Pro level it's more like $2k/event (more if you want to be competitive).
If I ever hop into the driver's seat, my plan is to spend around $60k for a car and about $10k/year to run it. Another plan less painful on the wallet would be around $25k/car and $7.5k/year to run it. Nobody ever said racing was cheap. And that's just the money, it will cost you a lot in every aspect of your life.
"Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"
"How do you make a small fortune in rallying?" "Start with a large one."
"There are two kinds of rally drivers: Those who have rolled, and those who will."
[B]I want to rally and I crew for a CDN pro team and I'm always amazed the amount of $$ going out! At the last event, our team blew the engine. The driver ordered another Evo engine from TAD motorsports and had it shipped to Vancouver.... for the next event in June.... Just the engine cost alone is more than my whole lapping/auto-x, TSD and rally x budget![/B][/QUOTE]
Here's an enlightening article written by one of the STPR organizers on what it costs to rally:
[url]http://catalog.com/susq/other/carprep.htm[/url] (Part I)
[url]http://catalog.com/susq/other/evntcost.htm[/url] (Part II)
As a co-driver, just to sit in the right seat, I drop anywhere from $200-600 for an event. Typically I pay for transportation, lodging, meals, and sometimes half the entry fee. A driver at the Club level can expect to drop around $1k per weekend, at the Pro level it's more like $2k/event (more if you want to be competitive).
If I ever hop into the driver's seat, my plan is to spend around $60k for a car and about $10k/year to run it. Another plan less painful on the wallet would be around $25k/car and $7.5k/year to run it. Nobody ever said racing was cheap. And that's just the money, it will cost you a lot in every aspect of your life.
"Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"
"How do you make a small fortune in rallying?" "Start with a large one."
"There are two kinds of rally drivers: Those who have rolled, and those who will."
| jblaine | 05-30-2003 10:29 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jaxx [/i]
[B]are you cooking your berrings ... bigger brakes perhaps? [/B][/QUOTE]Gary Sheehan obliterates his all the time apparently. They've found no way around it yet from what I've read. There's an interview with him over at www.wrxhackers.com (which seems to be down for me right now)
[B]are you cooking your berrings ... bigger brakes perhaps? [/B][/QUOTE]Gary Sheehan obliterates his all the time apparently. They've found no way around it yet from what I've read. There's an interview with him over at www.wrxhackers.com (which seems to be down for me right now)
| randy zimmer | 05-30-2003 11:01 AM |
cheap?
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All of you could do it cheaper if you wanted to enough.
Drive the car, don't tow or tow with something more economical. Do your own work.
Buy parts cars instead of parts.
Sleep in the car or freeload.
If you make $50-90K a year, don't whine and pay up, your time is worth too much to change anything.
If you're a student, suffer more and take more chances.
Make it an adventure.
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a local circle track (Holland) has two 4-cyl classes and lapping day is $5.
Entering is more $ to join and enter but the top 20 get it back.
Its not F1 but it IS seat time.
rz
Drive the car, don't tow or tow with something more economical. Do your own work.
Buy parts cars instead of parts.
Sleep in the car or freeload.
If you make $50-90K a year, don't whine and pay up, your time is worth too much to change anything.
If you're a student, suffer more and take more chances.
Make it an adventure.
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a local circle track (Holland) has two 4-cyl classes and lapping day is $5.
Entering is more $ to join and enter but the top 20 get it back.
Its not F1 but it IS seat time.
rz
| KC | 05-30-2003 11:38 AM |
Shoot I left off the $300 average for the bribing of the Timing and Scoring people...
You can see how thnigs just keep adding up! :D
--kC
You can see how thnigs just keep adding up! :D
--kC
| GarySheehan | 05-30-2003 12:31 PM |
The Stoptech brakes and using Krytox grease has increased our bearing life to over 2 full race weekends. Note the grease alone is $140/lb.
Consider our Portland Race:
Diesel fuel: $180
Room and board: $410
Entry Fee: $750
Tires: $1000
Race Fuel: $150
Total: $2490
Total Track time: 1.5 hrs
To run the WRX that weekend cost $1,660 per hour.
The thing to remember is that this doesn't include any wear items like brake pads, rotors, bearings, lubricants, filters, engine hours, modifications for that race, time spent prepping the car, crash damage, etc.
Our wonderful sponsors make this possible.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Consider our Portland Race:
Diesel fuel: $180
Room and board: $410
Entry Fee: $750
Tires: $1000
Race Fuel: $150
Total: $2490
Total Track time: 1.5 hrs
To run the WRX that weekend cost $1,660 per hour.
The thing to remember is that this doesn't include any wear items like brake pads, rotors, bearings, lubricants, filters, engine hours, modifications for that race, time spent prepping the car, crash damage, etc.
Our wonderful sponsors make this possible.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| wylie | 05-31-2003 02:21 AM |
wheel bearings
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Well, I just got back from Buttonwillow and my front wheel bearings are toast!
So, I've done about 8 track days, should I expect to have to replace my wheel bearings every 2-8 track days? Ouch! Are WRX just too heavy a car, or the bearings just too weak?
So, I've done about 8 track days, should I expect to have to replace my wheel bearings every 2-8 track days? Ouch! Are WRX just too heavy a car, or the bearings just too weak?
| GarySheehan | 06-02-2003 08:39 PM |
Wylie,
That's a lot of track time to get out of those wheel bearings.
I think the problem is both weight and bearing quality. Heat also plays a major factor. Going to a bigger front brake will increase the life of the bearings.
If you are going to continue doing track days, get a hydraulic 12-ton press at Harbor Freight for $100. Then you can change your own bearings for about $75 each.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
That's a lot of track time to get out of those wheel bearings.
I think the problem is both weight and bearing quality. Heat also plays a major factor. Going to a bigger front brake will increase the life of the bearings.
If you are going to continue doing track days, get a hydraulic 12-ton press at Harbor Freight for $100. Then you can change your own bearings for about $75 each.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| elgorey | 06-03-2003 08:38 AM |
Re: wheel bearings
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wylie [/i]
[B]Well, I just got back from Buttonwillow and my front wheel bearings are toast!
So, I've done about 8 track days, should I expect to have to replace my wheel bearings every 2-8 track days? Ouch! Are WRX just too heavy a car, or the bearings just too weak? [/B][/QUOTE]
hrm....I have over 25 hard track days (including 110+ degreedays in SC and NC) 31k miles and and the bearings are fine. :confused:
[B]Well, I just got back from Buttonwillow and my front wheel bearings are toast!
So, I've done about 8 track days, should I expect to have to replace my wheel bearings every 2-8 track days? Ouch! Are WRX just too heavy a car, or the bearings just too weak? [/B][/QUOTE]
hrm....I have over 25 hard track days (including 110+ degreedays in SC and NC) 31k miles and and the bearings are fine. :confused:
| wylie | 06-03-2003 10:27 AM |
[QUOTE]If you are going to continue doing track days, get a hydraulic 12-ton press at Harbor Freight for $100. Then you can change your own bearings for about $75 each.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the tip Gary. I was just at harbor freight the other day, should have picked one up while I was there.
I have been running Stoptechs since track day number 2.:) I have been thinking of putting my wagon on a weight reduction plan as well.
As far as cheaper racing, I guess Karting would be pretty cheap wheel-to-wheel racing. I was discussing this thread with a friend of mine and his comment was, well ..."Play Station is certainly cheaper."
Thanks for the tip Gary. I was just at harbor freight the other day, should have picked one up while I was there.
I have been running Stoptechs since track day number 2.:) I have been thinking of putting my wagon on a weight reduction plan as well.
As far as cheaper racing, I guess Karting would be pretty cheap wheel-to-wheel racing. I was discussing this thread with a friend of mine and his comment was, well ..."Play Station is certainly cheaper."
| elgorey | 06-03-2003 11:05 AM |
for w2w, cheap is relative.
the cheap[i]er[/i] series that you are going to find is
Spec Miata
Showroom Stock (high initial cost though)
Honda Challenge (its on the west coast now too)
Formula Vee
Formula 500 (can be cheap)
SCCA Improved Touring can be cheap if you run the right car and class (ie- ITA CRX)
Spec RX7 is very cheap but the class is starting to thin out
I am currently building a Spec Miata. IMO the best choice right now. I will also be co-driving an Integra GSR in honda challenge.
Racing the WRX is extremely expensive. As much as I would absolutely love to build and race my WRX for Touring-2, there is no real way I could afford it. (aside from the car not being competitive anyway)
The WRX will be on sale soon so I can get a decent truck to tow with. *sigh*
the cheap[i]er[/i] series that you are going to find is
Spec Miata
Showroom Stock (high initial cost though)
Honda Challenge (its on the west coast now too)
Formula Vee
Formula 500 (can be cheap)
SCCA Improved Touring can be cheap if you run the right car and class (ie- ITA CRX)
Spec RX7 is very cheap but the class is starting to thin out
I am currently building a Spec Miata. IMO the best choice right now. I will also be co-driving an Integra GSR in honda challenge.
Racing the WRX is extremely expensive. As much as I would absolutely love to build and race my WRX for Touring-2, there is no real way I could afford it. (aside from the car not being competitive anyway)
The WRX will be on sale soon so I can get a decent truck to tow with. *sigh*
| TBreu007 | 06-03-2003 11:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wylie [/i]
[B] As far as cheaper racing, I guess Karting would be pretty cheap wheel-to-wheel racing. [/B][/QUOTE]
I still wouldn't list karting as cheap. Even in my Rotax with a sealed, dependable motor, it adds up for a local race weekend:
Tires- $180
Mechanic- $200
Fuel- $20
Kart Transportation- $100
Entry- $60
Tolls- $10
Car gas- $20
Total: $590 (assuming nothing gets broken)
That isn't including the $30,000+ hospital and surgery bill for a broken ankle either :lol:
[B] As far as cheaper racing, I guess Karting would be pretty cheap wheel-to-wheel racing. [/B][/QUOTE]
I still wouldn't list karting as cheap. Even in my Rotax with a sealed, dependable motor, it adds up for a local race weekend:
Tires- $180
Mechanic- $200
Fuel- $20
Kart Transportation- $100
Entry- $60
Tolls- $10
Car gas- $20
Total: $590 (assuming nothing gets broken)
That isn't including the $30,000+ hospital and surgery bill for a broken ankle either :lol:
| grumbly | 06-03-2003 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TBreu007 [/i]
[B]
I still wouldn't list karting as cheap. Even in my Rotax with a sealed, dependable motor, it adds up for a local race weekend:
<snip>
Total: $590 (assuming nothing gets broken)
[/B][/QUOTE]
$590 for a whole weekend of racing is not bad at all. How many hours of track time is that? Considering that Im averaging about $450 for one lapping day in the WRX a kart sounds like a down right bargain.
[B]
I still wouldn't list karting as cheap. Even in my Rotax with a sealed, dependable motor, it adds up for a local race weekend:
<snip>
Total: $590 (assuming nothing gets broken)
[/B][/QUOTE]
$590 for a whole weekend of racing is not bad at all. How many hours of track time is that? Considering that Im averaging about $450 for one lapping day in the WRX a kart sounds like a down right bargain.
| elgorey | 06-03-2003 02:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TBreu007 [/i]
[B]
I still wouldn't list karting as cheap. Even in my Rotax with a sealed, dependable motor, it adds up for a local race weekend:
Tires- $180
Mechanic- $200
Fuel- $20
Kart Transportation- $100
Entry- $60
Tolls- $10
Car gas- $20
Total: $590 (assuming nothing gets broken)[/B][/QUOTE]
you kidding? thats damn cheap. And why are you hiring a mechanic ?!!!!! Karts are the easiest thing to work on in the world. Not sure what kart transportation is either. And do you really go through a whole set of tires in one weekend?
and running a KT100 instead of a spendy rotax shifter would drop costs even more.
[B]
I still wouldn't list karting as cheap. Even in my Rotax with a sealed, dependable motor, it adds up for a local race weekend:
Tires- $180
Mechanic- $200
Fuel- $20
Kart Transportation- $100
Entry- $60
Tolls- $10
Car gas- $20
Total: $590 (assuming nothing gets broken)[/B][/QUOTE]
you kidding? thats damn cheap. And why are you hiring a mechanic ?!!!!! Karts are the easiest thing to work on in the world. Not sure what kart transportation is either. And do you really go through a whole set of tires in one weekend?
and running a KT100 instead of a spendy rotax shifter would drop costs even more.
| TBreu007 | 06-04-2003 01:11 AM |
That's for about about 1 total hour of practice on Saturday and 15 minutes practice on Sunday, 5 minute qualify, ~6 minute heat race and 9 minute feature...not exactly your 6 hour track event like in the WRX.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by elgorey [/i]
[B]
you kidding? thats damn cheap. And why are you hiring a mechanic ?!!!!! Karts are the easiest thing to work on in the world. Not sure what kart transportation is either. And do you really go through a whole set of tires in one weekend?
and running a KT100 instead of a spendy rotax shifter would drop costs even more. [/B][/QUOTE]
Karts are easy to work on, but getting 100% out of the handling is better left to the people that have been racing and working on karts for a lot longer than me. The setup for a kart is reversed from cars and that leads to some confusion. There are so many things that can be changed in a kart, it's just more that a novice at kart setup like myself can mess up. Also, with a mechanic, I can concentrate on driving and winning instead or being stressed about getting the kart ready for the next session...that's what my mechanic is for.
I don't kill the tires in one weekend, but a fresh set of stickers is always faster than an old set, so in order to be competitive, a new set is best. The old tires are retired for practice days.
Kart transportation: I don't own a truck just yet, and I store my kart at another practice track, so I have no way of getting it anywhere else hence the need for kart transportation to the track.
I've been an instructor with a driving school as well. You'll get more time on track and will learn more about your particular car at a driving school or open track event, but karting will teach more vehicle control and racecraft. You have to decide what level you want to take this stuff...pro racer...might want to switch to karting. If you just want to have fun on track in your car, that's awesome too, but they both work out to about the same price.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by elgorey [/i]
[B]
you kidding? thats damn cheap. And why are you hiring a mechanic ?!!!!! Karts are the easiest thing to work on in the world. Not sure what kart transportation is either. And do you really go through a whole set of tires in one weekend?
and running a KT100 instead of a spendy rotax shifter would drop costs even more. [/B][/QUOTE]
Karts are easy to work on, but getting 100% out of the handling is better left to the people that have been racing and working on karts for a lot longer than me. The setup for a kart is reversed from cars and that leads to some confusion. There are so many things that can be changed in a kart, it's just more that a novice at kart setup like myself can mess up. Also, with a mechanic, I can concentrate on driving and winning instead or being stressed about getting the kart ready for the next session...that's what my mechanic is for.
I don't kill the tires in one weekend, but a fresh set of stickers is always faster than an old set, so in order to be competitive, a new set is best. The old tires are retired for practice days.
Kart transportation: I don't own a truck just yet, and I store my kart at another practice track, so I have no way of getting it anywhere else hence the need for kart transportation to the track.
I've been an instructor with a driving school as well. You'll get more time on track and will learn more about your particular car at a driving school or open track event, but karting will teach more vehicle control and racecraft. You have to decide what level you want to take this stuff...pro racer...might want to switch to karting. If you just want to have fun on track in your car, that's awesome too, but they both work out to about the same price.
| 10th Warrior | 06-04-2003 10:43 AM |
[QUOTE]Kart transportation: I don't own a truck just yet, and I store my kart at another practice track, so I have no way of getting it anywhere else hence the need for kart transportation to the track.[/QUOTE]
for ~$250 you could pick up a smaller trailer and hitch and tow with your WRX...
for ~$250 you could pick up a smaller trailer and hitch and tow with your WRX...
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