| JGard | 11-27-2001 11:29 AM |
Maybe Marlboro won't be coming over with Makinnen
See this article. Then discuss :)
[url]http://www.rally-live.com/2001/en/headlines/news/detail/011127103407.shtml[/url]
Though it is 4 years away...Subaru may just not even bother with them, if they can't support Subaru for a long-term... who knows.
[url]http://www.rally-live.com/2001/en/headlines/news/detail/011127103407.shtml[/url]
Though it is 4 years away...Subaru may just not even bother with them, if they can't support Subaru for a long-term... who knows.
| WagonMonster | 11-27-2001 12:25 PM |
I certainly hope they don't come over because I feel that tobacco advertising is evil. And yes, I know that 555 is a tobacco company too, but Subaru dumped them, why start again?
| Thug | 11-27-2001 12:46 PM |
Subaru didnt dump 555, it was the other way around. 555 left to concentrate on F1 more.
| grandpa rex | 11-27-2001 12:50 PM |
Let's see. marlboro dumps somewhere in the vicinity of $30 million into Ferrari, and untold Millions into Penske. I think that Subie would be unwise not to hook up with them, even if the ban does take effect in a few years. Tobacco might be evil, but the $$ are huge. Think about it: who is going to dump these kinds of $$ into motorsports once tobacco is kicked out? I fear that there will be a huge sponsorship void that will hurt all motorsports.
| Irvine Subaru | 11-27-2001 03:00 PM |
Subaru HAS turned down major sponsorship in favor of keeping their famous blue/yellow color scheme. I wonder what they're gonna do if they end up working with Marlboro. Maybe try to make Marlboro change their colors? :lol:
| Fred Zaplitny | 11-27-2001 03:14 PM |
Obviously Subaru doesn't need a major sponsor to win a Championship.
| JGard | 11-27-2001 03:16 PM |
I would rather Subaru doesn't go with this company..but hey, money IS money.
Either way, glad to see more of an advertising ban. I mean, it's kinda ironic how there's a TV tobacco ad ban, yet when broadcasting car racing, it's all over the place. It defeated the purpose of the original ban :)
Either way, glad to see more of an advertising ban. I mean, it's kinda ironic how there's a TV tobacco ad ban, yet when broadcasting car racing, it's all over the place. It defeated the purpose of the original ban :)
| Shik | 11-27-2001 04:35 PM |
[quote]Obviously Subaru doesn't need a major sponsor to win a Championship.[/quote]
Very true...but, it has been no secret that the money hasn't been there to do what Subaru and Prodrive wanted to really do and that is run more four car rallys(at least this year), and supposedly was one of the reasons Juha was kind of written off. And who knows, with the extra millions, maybe Prodrive would hire a few more people to concentrate more on things that may not be getting all the attention they should be( just speculating), who knows. Had Subaru had a major sponsorship the last few years, maybe we would have been celebrating more championships, nobody knows.
Totally against smoking, but would be all for another sponsorship, whether it be from a Tobacco firm or whoever. Money surely would not solve all their problems, but it sure wouldn't hurt.
Very true...but, it has been no secret that the money hasn't been there to do what Subaru and Prodrive wanted to really do and that is run more four car rallys(at least this year), and supposedly was one of the reasons Juha was kind of written off. And who knows, with the extra millions, maybe Prodrive would hire a few more people to concentrate more on things that may not be getting all the attention they should be( just speculating), who knows. Had Subaru had a major sponsorship the last few years, maybe we would have been celebrating more championships, nobody knows.
Totally against smoking, but would be all for another sponsorship, whether it be from a Tobacco firm or whoever. Money surely would not solve all their problems, but it sure wouldn't hurt.
| TampaWRX | 11-27-2001 07:00 PM |
I don't smoke, but have nothing against tobacco companies. No one puts a gun to your head and says,"Smoke or else". :rolleyes: I'm of the opinion that if you need a cigarette in your hand to feel cool/deal with life/pretend to be interesting, you deserve to face consequences of said action. I digress... :)
I doubt we will actually see a tobacco ban come into effect. I'm pretty confident that big tobacco will rebound, that people will soften their stance and that the world will move on to other issues. Really, how much have all the attackes slowed them down to date? People want to smoke like they want to drink. If people want to smell bad, have brown teeth and generally throw their life away, we should let them. :D Especially if it means motor racing can continue on and Subaru can field more cars. :lol:
Yes, I have little compassion or caring, but that does not necessarily make me a bad person. ;)
I doubt we will actually see a tobacco ban come into effect. I'm pretty confident that big tobacco will rebound, that people will soften their stance and that the world will move on to other issues. Really, how much have all the attackes slowed them down to date? People want to smoke like they want to drink. If people want to smell bad, have brown teeth and generally throw their life away, we should let them. :D Especially if it means motor racing can continue on and Subaru can field more cars. :lol:
Yes, I have little compassion or caring, but that does not necessarily make me a bad person. ;)
| motorob | 11-27-2001 11:51 PM |
Uhhhhh...For what it's worth,
Subaru didn't win a championship, Dickie Burns did.
| Radar_Lover | 11-28-2001 12:18 AM |
No Malboro... Maybe Intel blue guys fit better. :lol:
Tommi has Intel inside.
Tommi has Intel inside.
| joe z | 11-28-2001 01:09 AM |
foster's beer have blue and glod on there cans how about them:p
| Shik | 11-28-2001 06:06 AM |
[quote]Subaru didn't win a championship, Dickie Burns did.[/quote]
I disagree totally. If Burns was the only factor in winning his championship, I would agree. But there are far too many people working for Subaru, Prodrive, STi, and whoever else, that had a hand in him winning this year. So when Someone says Subaru won the championship, they did, the driver's championship.
Not taking nothing away from Burns, but the engineers that design and build all the different Hydraulic systems and electronic wizardry probably play just as big a part as the driver with the WRC cars nowadays.
You can have a hell of a quarterback, but he can't get to and win the Super Bowl without the rest of the team helping him out ;)
FWIW, most refer to 95 as Subaru's [b]Double[/b] World Championship year, one for driver's and one for manufacturer's.
I disagree totally. If Burns was the only factor in winning his championship, I would agree. But there are far too many people working for Subaru, Prodrive, STi, and whoever else, that had a hand in him winning this year. So when Someone says Subaru won the championship, they did, the driver's championship.
Not taking nothing away from Burns, but the engineers that design and build all the different Hydraulic systems and electronic wizardry probably play just as big a part as the driver with the WRC cars nowadays.
You can have a hell of a quarterback, but he can't get to and win the Super Bowl without the rest of the team helping him out ;)
FWIW, most refer to 95 as Subaru's [b]Double[/b] World Championship year, one for driver's and one for manufacturer's.
| Radio Flyer | 11-28-2001 09:52 AM |
<i>Shik</i> - I believe that <i>motorob</i> was merely trying to state that RB won the <b>driver's</b> championship in a Subie, and that Subaru did <b>not</b> win the (manufacturer's) championship (as was unintentionally - I'm sure - implied in the other posts...)
And, I agree with <i>TampaWRX</i>. I don't like smoking, but have no beef with the tobacco companies injecting their money into motorsports. Personally, I fail to see a connection between seeing Tommi Makkinen (sp?) or Schumi blasting a surreally fast car down the road and smoking.
"That was so fast! That car totally hooked up in the corners. Hmm. Maybe my car will do that too if I start smoking..."
I think that the anti-smoking nazis are grasping at straws to protect the lowest common denominator... Sure the most advertised brands are the ones that sell the most. If I smoked, I'd be more likely to smoke a brand that I was familiar with. But, I see tampon ads all the time, and even though with them I can enjoy swimming and horseback riding I haven't been compelled to go out and <b><i>start</i></b> using them...
- Eric
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And, I agree with <i>TampaWRX</i>. I don't like smoking, but have no beef with the tobacco companies injecting their money into motorsports. Personally, I fail to see a connection between seeing Tommi Makkinen (sp?) or Schumi blasting a surreally fast car down the road and smoking.
"That was so fast! That car totally hooked up in the corners. Hmm. Maybe my car will do that too if I start smoking..."
I think that the anti-smoking nazis are grasping at straws to protect the lowest common denominator... Sure the most advertised brands are the ones that sell the most. If I smoked, I'd be more likely to smoke a brand that I was familiar with. But, I see tampon ads all the time, and even though with them I can enjoy swimming and horseback riding I haven't been compelled to go out and <b><i>start</i></b> using them...
- Eric
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| wrx182 | 11-28-2001 09:53 AM |
they could still be with marlboro and keep their colors - just switch to blue/white for the marlboro mediums or milds or whatever
| wrx182 | 11-28-2001 09:56 AM |
Re: Uhhhhh...For what it's worth,
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by motorob [/i]
[B]Subaru didn't win a championship, Dickie Burns did. [/B][/QUOTE]
you moron...he drove them to a championship...but if it wasn't for the $125,000 rally car Subaru built (and maintained with God knows how many more hundreds of thousands of dollars) he wouldn't have won. Props go out to the engineers, the car builders, the mechanics, STi, Prodrive, etc..The car makers train the drivers, provide cars, co-drivers, repairs, etc...
Burns AND Subaru won the championship...if Burn's had been driving a different car, who knows what the outcome would have been...everyone knows Subaru builds the best damn WRC cars out there...
[B]Subaru didn't win a championship, Dickie Burns did. [/B][/QUOTE]
you moron...he drove them to a championship...but if it wasn't for the $125,000 rally car Subaru built (and maintained with God knows how many more hundreds of thousands of dollars) he wouldn't have won. Props go out to the engineers, the car builders, the mechanics, STi, Prodrive, etc..The car makers train the drivers, provide cars, co-drivers, repairs, etc...
Burns AND Subaru won the championship...if Burn's had been driving a different car, who knows what the outcome would have been...everyone knows Subaru builds the best damn WRC cars out there...
| Really_Soaked | 11-28-2001 10:18 AM |
I think Tabaco sponsership is great. Smoking is horrible, but I've never been tempted to smoke because of a red Lancer. There are millions of dollars that go into that industry, it might as well go into an industry that we all love.
It is too bad that the Subaru might not be blue anymore, but who cares. I want to see more product development and championships out of Subaru and the money would definately help. If an extra 30 mil got thrown into the WRC, part of that money goes into R&D and part of that money Subaru won't have to chip in. That means better parts from Subaru and/or Prodrive at a better price.
Le't get a hip hip horay for Cancer companies...
It is too bad that the Subaru might not be blue anymore, but who cares. I want to see more product development and championships out of Subaru and the money would definately help. If an extra 30 mil got thrown into the WRC, part of that money goes into R&D and part of that money Subaru won't have to chip in. That means better parts from Subaru and/or Prodrive at a better price.
Le't get a hip hip horay for Cancer companies...
| DonA | 11-28-2001 04:43 PM |
I think the going rate of the WRC2001 is closer to $500,000 than $125,000 ;)
| Thug | 11-28-2001 06:04 PM |
I guess it's ok if selling out your morals is cool, or if you dont have them......
| AngelT | 11-28-2001 06:07 PM |
Sad thinkers here
granda rex:
[QUOTE] Tobacco might be evil, but the $$ are huge. [/QUOTE]
It isn't the only statement like this here, but this may have to win the prize for the most morally corrupt, pathetic statement I've ever seen on a BBS. )*(&^8&, man, listen to yourselves!
Hey, there's this bearded guy in a cave in Southern Afghanistan who has lots of dough and is looking for a little positive public exposure. Maybe Subaru and Prodrive should hook up with him.
AT
[QUOTE] Tobacco might be evil, but the $$ are huge. [/QUOTE]
It isn't the only statement like this here, but this may have to win the prize for the most morally corrupt, pathetic statement I've ever seen on a BBS. )*(&^8&, man, listen to yourselves!
Hey, there's this bearded guy in a cave in Southern Afghanistan who has lots of dough and is looking for a little positive public exposure. Maybe Subaru and Prodrive should hook up with him.
AT
| wrxtc | 11-28-2001 06:08 PM |
i think subaru ran there cars in
"westfield" red sponsorship
back in the 555 days, 1998 i believe.
just for a couple of rallies.
"westfield" red sponsorship
back in the 555 days, 1998 i believe.
just for a couple of rallies.
| Really_Soaked | 11-28-2001 11:57 PM |
[QUOTE]Hey, there's this bearded guy in a cave in Southern Afghanistan who has lots of dough and is looking for a little positive public exposure. Maybe Subaru and Prodrive should hook up with him. [/QUOTE]
If this guy you speak of funded R&D for Subaru instead of funding wars, we'd all be a little better off.
If this guy you speak of funded R&D for Subaru instead of funding wars, we'd all be a little better off.
| Lightning Jack | 11-29-2001 12:33 AM |
Subaru with Marlboro would look ugly!..
it would be a big dispointment for rallyblue..
Evo..look good in Marlboro logo and they should stick with that..
what Mitsu. need to do is start building a better rallycar.....
it would be a big dispointment for rallyblue..
Evo..look good in Marlboro logo and they should stick with that..
what Mitsu. need to do is start building a better rallycar.....
| motorob | 11-29-2001 01:29 PM |
Next year, the team who will be thought of as having the World Champion will be Peugeot. Yes, everyone will know that Burns won the Championship with Subaru, but no one will care. Burns will be the Champion, he will be driving for Peugeot (probably), and Peugeot will be thought of as having the World Champion driver. Will anyone associate Subaru with the driver's championship? Yes, a very few people.
<..everyone knows Subaru builds the best damn WRC cars out there...> -wrx182
Ahh yes, it must be that Peugeot bribed the WRC officials to win the manufacturers' championship.
It's laughable (but understandable) to me that everyone is such a fan of the Impreza WRC2001 now. Early in the season there was a lot of ill-informed talk here about scrapping it in favor of the old car (like that was going to happen :rolleyes: ) It's understandable to me because we're all Subaru fans and so sometimes illogical about our support. But it's just as unreasonable to say that Mitsubishi "needs to start building better rally cars." Subaru's car was weak at the start of the season because it was new and needed development. Prodrive made great strides with it during the season. Mitsu is now going through the same process. You don't think Ralliart's going to make progress with their car too? I wouldn't bet on it. They have a lot of knowledge and experience; it wasn't Tommi alone carrying them the past few years. The only variables are funding (from what I understand, Ralliart is a relatively small operation as compared to Prodrive or M Sport) and driver talent.
<..everyone knows Subaru builds the best damn WRC cars out there...> -wrx182
Ahh yes, it must be that Peugeot bribed the WRC officials to win the manufacturers' championship.
It's laughable (but understandable) to me that everyone is such a fan of the Impreza WRC2001 now. Early in the season there was a lot of ill-informed talk here about scrapping it in favor of the old car (like that was going to happen :rolleyes: ) It's understandable to me because we're all Subaru fans and so sometimes illogical about our support. But it's just as unreasonable to say that Mitsubishi "needs to start building better rally cars." Subaru's car was weak at the start of the season because it was new and needed development. Prodrive made great strides with it during the season. Mitsu is now going through the same process. You don't think Ralliart's going to make progress with their car too? I wouldn't bet on it. They have a lot of knowledge and experience; it wasn't Tommi alone carrying them the past few years. The only variables are funding (from what I understand, Ralliart is a relatively small operation as compared to Prodrive or M Sport) and driver talent.
| Coati | 11-29-2001 02:21 PM |
Re: Uhhhhh...For what it's worth,
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by motorob [/i]
[B]Subaru didn't win a championship, Dickie Burns did. [/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe Subaru didn't "win" the drivers' championship, but without SWRT/Prodrive's car preparation and support, they sure as [email protected] could have lost it for him. Just ask Tommi about that.
[B]Subaru didn't win a championship, Dickie Burns did. [/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe Subaru didn't "win" the drivers' championship, but without SWRT/Prodrive's car preparation and support, they sure as [email protected] could have lost it for him. Just ask Tommi about that.
| Shik | 11-29-2001 04:36 PM |
[quote]It's laughable (but understandable) to me that everyone is such a fan of the Impreza WRC2001 now. Early in the season there was a lot of ill-informed talk here about scrapping it in favor of the old car (like that was going to happen ) It's understandable to me because we're all Subaru fans and so sometimes illogical about our support. But it's just as unreasonable to say that Mitsubishi "needs to start building better rally cars." Subaru's car was weak at the start of the season because it was new and needed development. Prodrive made great strides with it during the season. Mitsu is now going through the same process. You don't think Ralliart's going to make progress with their car too? I wouldn't bet on it. They have a lot of knowledge and experience; it wasn't Tommi alone carrying them the past few years. The only variables are funding (from what I understand, Ralliart is a relatively small operation as compared to Prodrive or M Sport) and driver talent[/quote]
Amen.
Amen.
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