| mw1029h | 10-12-2004 05:44 PM |
Nascar Road Racing
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Does anyone know how much a road race driver makes driving a NASCAR. Is NASCAR the only sport that allows that. Who gets the points certainly not the driver, Shouldn't the driver of that NASCAR practice in the off season. I don't want to see any ROAD RACER lose a big payday but, I would think that a driver would have some pride and work on the road racing aspects for the following season. And why are there no IROC road races.
| Opie | 10-12-2004 08:42 PM |
- It depends on finishing order and a few other things, but most races pay out $30,000 to $60,000 for last place and it goes up from there.
- Allows what? Substitute drivers? I think a substitute driver provision would be allowed in most motorsport series.
- The Driver that starts the race and completes at least 1 lap (even if a stand in) gets the driver points, there are also owner points and manufacturer points awarded.
- All teams practice the different tracks all the time including the road courses, some drivers just do not like road courses and would rather just sit them out.
_ I have no idea why IROC doesn't include any road courses, it seems they should doesn't it.
- Allows what? Substitute drivers? I think a substitute driver provision would be allowed in most motorsport series.
- The Driver that starts the race and completes at least 1 lap (even if a stand in) gets the driver points, there are also owner points and manufacturer points awarded.
- All teams practice the different tracks all the time including the road courses, some drivers just do not like road courses and would rather just sit them out.
_ I have no idea why IROC doesn't include any road courses, it seems they should doesn't it.
| mw1029h | 10-12-2004 11:41 PM |
-thats a pretty good chunk of change.
- My point is all the other racing series don't exercise this provision.
-No wonde,r how dumb if you are not sick or injuried you should drive your own car.
- That's true i'm sure that there are other race series where the drivers don't like the track but you don't see them getting out of the car.
-I think its fear that their hero NASCRAP drivers will get their butts whipped. :lol:
- My point is all the other racing series don't exercise this provision.
-No wonde,r how dumb if you are not sick or injuried you should drive your own car.
- That's true i'm sure that there are other race series where the drivers don't like the track but you don't see them getting out of the car.
-I think its fear that their hero NASCRAP drivers will get their butts whipped. :lol:
| Bonzo | 10-13-2004 08:47 AM |
Nascar drivers are far from not being talented.
As for road courses and Nascar, it's typically the sponsor wanting someone who is specialized in that frield to give them a better chance at getting a good showing. Just the same way a roadracer would be out of place at an oval. They normally woul'nt stand a chance. It's a little tougher than it looks.
As for road courses and Nascar, it's typically the sponsor wanting someone who is specialized in that frield to give them a better chance at getting a good showing. Just the same way a roadracer would be out of place at an oval. They normally woul'nt stand a chance. It's a little tougher than it looks.
| DrBiggly | 10-13-2004 10:46 AM |
Don't the better oval drivers typically do well on the road courses and the specialized drivers not do but mediocre-ish? That's what I remember hearing. Granted, I don't keep up enough to know. :)
| Subie Gal | 10-13-2004 10:57 AM |
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| ChrisW | 10-13-2004 11:21 AM |
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| DrBiggly | 10-13-2004 11:32 AM |
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Yeah, but unlike you Opie and I live in the South. We can't get away with shirts like that. We'd be killed, or even worse! :eek:
(Say that last bit in a Southern Accent all Jeff Foxworthy style.) :lol: :)
Yeah, but unlike you Opie and I live in the South. We can't get away with shirts like that. We'd be killed, or even worse! :eek:
(Say that last bit in a Southern Accent all Jeff Foxworthy style.) :lol: :)
| Seeing StaRS | 10-13-2004 01:33 PM |
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| elgorey | 10-14-2004 09:24 PM |
There is a reason why no Road Race specialist pinch-hitter has won a Nascar race in over 20 years.
Hint: it has something to do with Nascar also being the only motorsport in america where a driver can make a decent living.
Hint: it has something to do with Nascar also being the only motorsport in america where a driver can make a decent living.
| mw1029h | 10-14-2004 10:42 PM |
That's more than decent
| TV3WRX | 10-14-2004 10:44 PM |
Elgory, do you mean that the NASCAR regulars are protecting their turf? If so, I agree that's why the pinch hitters don't win. There have been many instances of a Fellows, Said, or Pruett being spun out while leading or at/near the front.
NASCAR drivers make far far better than a "decent" living. If we are talking decent like merely six digits decent, NASCAR is not the only Motorsport in America where guys can make a good living. In just about every US TC/GT series you can name, there are mostly salaried drivers in the #1 car for the team, very well paid. The #2 car is often a "paid seat" (driver pays to race, and it ain't cheap), or the team owner's car in some cases. In high-stakes series like ALMS, often both team cars are salaried drivers. Open wheel racing is different, it is so expensive that if a driver does not bring money by way of a large sponsor, he gets no ride, no matter how good he is. IT's that way in Europe too, more and more.
NASCAR drivers make far far better than a "decent" living. If we are talking decent like merely six digits decent, NASCAR is not the only Motorsport in America where guys can make a good living. In just about every US TC/GT series you can name, there are mostly salaried drivers in the #1 car for the team, very well paid. The #2 car is often a "paid seat" (driver pays to race, and it ain't cheap), or the team owner's car in some cases. In high-stakes series like ALMS, often both team cars are salaried drivers. Open wheel racing is different, it is so expensive that if a driver does not bring money by way of a large sponsor, he gets no ride, no matter how good he is. IT's that way in Europe too, more and more.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 10-15-2004 11:58 AM |
Those guys are the best in the business. Just like show business, some people get breaks and some people don't but EVERYONE who sticks around at the top is one of the best .1% of racing drivers in the world. You don't have to like the racing to know you wouldn't stand a chance competing in it. :) I know I wouldn't be able to hop in and get anywhere close to those guys, and I have a lower level of driving suck than a lot of the people who call NASCAR and its drivers all kinds of horrible, erroneous things.
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| baileypicks24 | 10-15-2004 11:28 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]lol @ Jamie
Yeah, but unlike you Opie and I live in the South. We can't get away with shirts like that. We'd be killed, or even worse! :eek:
(Say that last bit in a Southern Accent all Jeff Foxworthy style.) :lol: :)[/QUOTE]
ha! I think I'm gonna wear that shirt to the next autoX...feel free to join me
:banana:
Yeah, but unlike you Opie and I live in the South. We can't get away with shirts like that. We'd be killed, or even worse! :eek:
(Say that last bit in a Southern Accent all Jeff Foxworthy style.) :lol: :)[/QUOTE]
ha! I think I'm gonna wear that shirt to the next autoX...feel free to join me
:banana:
| mw1029h | 10-15-2004 11:46 PM |
[QUOTE=TeamSlowdotOrg]Those guys are the best in the business. Just like show business, some people get breaks and some people don't but EVERYONE who sticks around at the top is one of the best .1% of racing drivers in the world. You don't have to like the racing to know you wouldn't stand a chance competing in it. :) I know I wouldn't be able to hop in and get anywhere close to those guys, and I have a lower level of driving suck than a lot of the people who call NASCAR and its drivers all kinds of horrible, erroneous things.
[/soapbox][/QUOTE]No one is talking about what you can do or for that matter what they can do. Its about NASCRAP and how they get all that money and can't road race. but its ok Its good to see the real racers get a nice payday. I'm not suprised that almost every year they try to get rid of the road race. I think its safe to say that no one here thinks they can turn left faster then any of those guys.
[/soapbox][/QUOTE]No one is talking about what you can do or for that matter what they can do. Its about NASCRAP and how they get all that money and can't road race. but its ok Its good to see the real racers get a nice payday. I'm not suprised that almost every year they try to get rid of the road race. I think its safe to say that no one here thinks they can turn left faster then any of those guys.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 10-16-2004 01:33 AM |
I don't think anyone on this board can turn RIGHT faster than those guys either. And you know what? I'm right. :)
Road racing isn't spectator friendly. I honestly had a lot less fun at the USGP last year than I had at the roundy-round racing I've been to. Yeah, it was an experience I wouldn't give up but I didn't feel like I knew what was going on most of the time, and I didn't feel involved, even though I hiked all over the place trying to get close to everything and was there for 3 days. Butts in seats are what it's about. TV is great for road racing, but it doesn't sell to sponsors.
Let them get rid of the road races, if it's good for NASCAR (i.e., more fans, more races, more series) it's ultimately good for EVERYONE in American motorsports (i.e., more amateurs wanting to participate, more races, more money spent on racing).
Road racing isn't spectator friendly. I honestly had a lot less fun at the USGP last year than I had at the roundy-round racing I've been to. Yeah, it was an experience I wouldn't give up but I didn't feel like I knew what was going on most of the time, and I didn't feel involved, even though I hiked all over the place trying to get close to everything and was there for 3 days. Butts in seats are what it's about. TV is great for road racing, but it doesn't sell to sponsors.
Let them get rid of the road races, if it's good for NASCAR (i.e., more fans, more races, more series) it's ultimately good for EVERYONE in American motorsports (i.e., more amateurs wanting to participate, more races, more money spent on racing).
| mw1029h | 10-16-2004 08:41 AM |
:rolleyes: Well, I think its safe to say that there is at least one person on this board the Id bet could beat more then one NASCRAP driver turning right and then left road course style. Although we may never see it. by the way the NASCAR drivers complain every year that the seasons too log. So no more races.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 10-16-2004 12:46 PM |
I'm not talking about more races for them. I'm talking about more races for EVERYONE.
If you're referring to Gary Sheehan, ask him what he thinks of the ability of NASCAR drivers. Gary may be in the same league as guys like Said, Fellows, etc. (I don't know him and don't know his record well enough, but I bet he's right up there in ability based on recent showings) but that would only mean he is JUST AS GOOD as NASCAR guys on a road course. Say the specialists get spun out intentionally, whatever, but there are years and years of statistics that back up a claim that a NASCAR full-time driver is no worse on a road course than a "road course specialist." That extends to other series as well.
If you're referring to Gary Sheehan, ask him what he thinks of the ability of NASCAR drivers. Gary may be in the same league as guys like Said, Fellows, etc. (I don't know him and don't know his record well enough, but I bet he's right up there in ability based on recent showings) but that would only mean he is JUST AS GOOD as NASCAR guys on a road course. Say the specialists get spun out intentionally, whatever, but there are years and years of statistics that back up a claim that a NASCAR full-time driver is no worse on a road course than a "road course specialist." That extends to other series as well.
| GarySheehan | 10-16-2004 06:35 PM |
It's not just "any" full-time NASCAR drivers that are winning NASCAR road races. It's the ones that are a step above the typical NASCAR driver that kick ass in road racing. Oval tracks do not showcase raw driving talent the way a roadcourse does. You can't get away on most ovals, in particular the big ones.
Look at the performances Tony Stewart and Dale Jr. put in during the 24 Hours of Daytona. Outstanding, even against the Rolex's finest. There is SOME incredible talent at the front of NASCAR. Unfortunately, the NASCAR format isn't able to showcase that.
Compared to Said and Fellows, I'm pretty damned young in my development as a pro driver. But I can't wait to mix it up with those guys and a few others!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Look at the performances Tony Stewart and Dale Jr. put in during the 24 Hours of Daytona. Outstanding, even against the Rolex's finest. There is SOME incredible talent at the front of NASCAR. Unfortunately, the NASCAR format isn't able to showcase that.
Compared to Said and Fellows, I'm pretty damned young in my development as a pro driver. But I can't wait to mix it up with those guys and a few others!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| TV3WRX | 10-16-2004 06:40 PM |
Teamslow, on the contrary, it looks like to me that there is years and years of data that PROVES that the ringer road course guys are generally much better than the average NASCAR driver on road courses, (excepting Gordon, Stewart, Johnson, Martin). It's called qualifying times, and they don't lie. Why do you think they keep bringing in the ringers?
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 10-16-2004 07:16 PM |
Qualifying times, as great to talk about and important as they are, don't win races in NASCAR, or a lot of other series. :) Racing wins races, and driving really fast around a road course for a few laps is a little bit different than doing it with 20 guys trying to get inside of you every time you're braking.
Gary, good point about "the best" and "the rest" of NASCAR drivers. You mentioned the 24 Hours, and I think that brings up another point. If the guys who really want to turn right want to turn right, they're going to go turn right somewhere whether there is a NASCAR road race or not. Is it so bad if NASCAR cancels its road races entirely? Let's see, high-profile drivers from the most-watched motorsport in the country coming to series like Grand-Am, ALMS, putting the eyes of all those #24 fans or #8 fans on tracks like Road Atlanta and Sebring. How is that a bad thing?
Gary, good point about "the best" and "the rest" of NASCAR drivers. You mentioned the 24 Hours, and I think that brings up another point. If the guys who really want to turn right want to turn right, they're going to go turn right somewhere whether there is a NASCAR road race or not. Is it so bad if NASCAR cancels its road races entirely? Let's see, high-profile drivers from the most-watched motorsport in the country coming to series like Grand-Am, ALMS, putting the eyes of all those #24 fans or #8 fans on tracks like Road Atlanta and Sebring. How is that a bad thing?
| narcotix | 10-16-2004 07:41 PM |
I just applaud Robby Gordon for skying his Trophy Truck more than 50 feet in the air at Glamis.
When is everyone else gonna step up and do some real racing in the dirt? ;)
When is everyone else gonna step up and do some real racing in the dirt? ;)
| TV3WRX | 10-16-2004 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE]Qualifying times, as great to talk about and important as they are, don't win races in NASCAR, or a lot of other series. Racing wins races, and driving really fast around a road course for a few laps is a little bit different than doing it with 20 guys trying to get inside of you every time you're braking.[/QUOTE]
Qualifying is a pure statement about driver skill and ability, especially on a road course. I think NASCAR may be the ONLY series where good qualifying does not consistently translate into race wins, on ovals or on road courses. :)
Qualifying is a pure statement about driver skill and ability, especially on a road course. I think NASCAR may be the ONLY series where good qualifying does not consistently translate into race wins, on ovals or on road courses. :)
| mw1029h | 10-17-2004 03:15 AM |
[QUOTE=TeamSlowdotOrg]I'm not talking about more races for them. I'm talking about more races for EVERYONE.
If you're referring to Gary Sheehan, ask him what he thinks of the ability of NASCAR drivers. Gary may be in the same league as guys like Said, Fellows, etc. (I don't know him and don't know his record well enough, but I bet he's right up there in ability based on recent showings) but that would only mean he is JUST AS GOOD as NASCAR guys on a road course. Say the specialists get spun out intentionally, whatever, but there are years and years of statistics that back up a claim that a NASCAR full-time driver is no worse on a road course than a "road course specialist." That extends to other series as well.[/QUOTE] :lol: Obviously I didn't need to ask him anything but, you stated that there was no one the could out drive a NASCAR driver on a road course on this board. Its funny that you mentioned Mr. Sheehan. One day hopefully we will see it happen. I am confident Mr. Sheehan will represent us(NASIOC) well. I'll be there to see it. :D
If you're referring to Gary Sheehan, ask him what he thinks of the ability of NASCAR drivers. Gary may be in the same league as guys like Said, Fellows, etc. (I don't know him and don't know his record well enough, but I bet he's right up there in ability based on recent showings) but that would only mean he is JUST AS GOOD as NASCAR guys on a road course. Say the specialists get spun out intentionally, whatever, but there are years and years of statistics that back up a claim that a NASCAR full-time driver is no worse on a road course than a "road course specialist." That extends to other series as well.[/QUOTE] :lol: Obviously I didn't need to ask him anything but, you stated that there was no one the could out drive a NASCAR driver on a road course on this board. Its funny that you mentioned Mr. Sheehan. One day hopefully we will see it happen. I am confident Mr. Sheehan will represent us(NASIOC) well. I'll be there to see it. :D
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