| TyrannoSullyRex | 09-21-2004 06:00 PM |
New Azeni info (or at least a picture)
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This might have been posted in Tires, but I haven't looked yet, but this does pertain to the ST* category in Solo2 so here you go:
[url=http://rbp.f0e.net/forum.php?d=1849&t=092104]Link.[/url]
[img]http://honda.hybrids.jp/uploads/138007-DSC008611.jpg[/img]
[url=http://rbp.f0e.net/forum.php?d=1849&t=092104]Link.[/url]
[img]http://honda.hybrids.jp/uploads/138007-DSC008611.jpg[/img]
| nate49509 | 09-21-2004 06:08 PM |
These are supposed to be the new Azenis Sports? Looks like they'll at least be better in standing water.
| trojan9x | 09-21-2004 06:12 PM |
I've seen that photo for the past two weeks now with people wondering if that is the Azenis or not. I'd be happy to see a sidewall shot of it too
| TyrannoSullyRex | 09-21-2004 06:13 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]These are supposed to be the new Azenis Sports? Looks like they'll at least be better in standing water.[/QUOTE]
According to the person who wrote the post I linked, yes.
According to the person who wrote the post I linked, yes.
| omahasubaru | 09-21-2004 06:16 PM |
The tires on the floor next to it resemble Falken Ziex 512 tires.
| PKer | 09-21-2004 06:25 PM |
Hmmmmm at this rate my current Azenis Sports will still be good for at least part of next year, they are for auto-x and the drive to and from the event only. They've lasted maybe 60 runs and 500 road miles and are still in great shape.
I guess I need to hurry up and wear them down so I can try these next year.
I guess I need to hurry up and wear them down so I can try these next year.
| AlpineFD | 09-21-2004 06:38 PM |
I wish Falken can do something about azenis high temprature grip level.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-21-2004 06:44 PM |
I'm waiting with baited breath.
| PKer | 09-21-2004 06:50 PM |
[QUOTE=AlpineFD]I wish Falken can do something about azenis high temprature grip level.[/QUOTE]
Me too, my car is a two driver auto-x car. I've been thinking of going to Kumho MX next year but I like the tried and true Azenis.
Me too, my car is a two driver auto-x car. I've been thinking of going to Kumho MX next year but I like the tried and true Azenis.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-21-2004 08:05 PM |
The MX's won STS and were 3rd in STX. Sounds tried and true to me.
| PKer | 09-22-2004 01:02 PM |
Yeah, I have to at least give them a try, practice day this weekend maybe I'll get a chance then.
| DrBiggly | 09-22-2004 06:29 PM |
Ah, so that's the tire photo I've seen. Nice to know it will be something familiar! I'm looking for a lower profile sidewall personally. :)
| afpdl | 09-23-2004 12:43 AM |
Is their a list of what the new sizes are supposed to be?
| Porter | 09-23-2004 09:45 AM |
[QUOTE=TeamSlowdotOrg]I'm waiting with baited breath.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Dictionary.com][i]Usage Note: The word [b]baited[/b] is sometimes incorrectly substituted for the etymologically correct but unfamiliar word [b]bated[/b] (�abated; suspended�) in the expression [b]bated breath[/b].[/i][/quote]
;) :D
[quote=Dictionary.com][i]Usage Note: The word [b]baited[/b] is sometimes incorrectly substituted for the etymologically correct but unfamiliar word [b]bated[/b] (�abated; suspended�) in the expression [b]bated breath[/b].[/i][/quote]
;) :D
| zoomfactor | 09-23-2004 10:01 AM |
Porter
...another Janq in the making? :)
...another Janq in the making? :)
| Porter | 09-23-2004 10:20 AM |
:lol: Save me from such a fate!
| 10th Warrior | 09-23-2004 11:43 AM |
Porter whips it out at the crucial moment :D
| zoomfactor | 09-23-2004 11:58 AM |
Uncle Porter?
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-23-2004 01:07 PM |
I was waiting for someone to make a "weenie protest" on that phrase I used. Congrats on wasting your $50 on preaching to the choir. :lol:
Baited, as in strung along, as in I'm being strung along by lack of good sizes for my ST car. OMG T3H PL4Y 0N W0RDZ!!! 11!
one!1!
Baited, as in strung along, as in I'm being strung along by lack of good sizes for my ST car. OMG T3H PL4Y 0N W0RDZ!!! 11!
one!1!
| Porter | 09-23-2004 02:09 PM |
:lol:
| Oldalfaguy | 09-23-2004 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE=PKer]Me too, my car is a two driver auto-x car. I've been thinking of going to Kumho MX next year but I like the tried and true Azenis.[/QUOTE]
They don't do well in the heat? I was considering Azenis but not if they can't take the heat. It gets pretty toasty down here in FLa and the Bridestones are only good for 2 maybe 3 runs before they start to go away.
They don't do well in the heat? I was considering Azenis but not if they can't take the heat. It gets pretty toasty down here in FLa and the Bridestones are only good for 2 maybe 3 runs before they start to go away.
| afpdl | 09-23-2004 03:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Oldalfaguy]They don't do well in the heat? I was considering Azenis but not if they can't take the heat. It gets pretty toasty down here in FLa and the Bridestones are only good for 2 maybe 3 runs before they start to go away.[/QUOTE]
This is why water was invented.
This is why water was invented.
| zoomfactor | 09-23-2004 03:55 PM |
I've got proof that they can get cooked (even with water), in my garage. I've got a fair amount of tread left on a set of 17" 225's but they are so hard they are like driving on grease.
I'm looking for a replacement set of auto-x tires before the Subaru Challenge, but based on some of the forum "chatter" I may hold out until some of these new tires become available.
If I don't get a new set I'll bring the old Azenis as-is to the Jax Subaru Challenge if any of you scientists want to take a look. I was beating myself up for months about my driving (which still sucks :p ) but for me a lot was attributable to the heat-cycled Azenis. I [B]crushed [/B] my times running full tread MXs on [B]22# 18" rims[/B] :huh: They felt like R's compared to the heat cycled Azenis.
sorry for the run-on rant :banana:
I'm looking for a replacement set of auto-x tires before the Subaru Challenge, but based on some of the forum "chatter" I may hold out until some of these new tires become available.
If I don't get a new set I'll bring the old Azenis as-is to the Jax Subaru Challenge if any of you scientists want to take a look. I was beating myself up for months about my driving (which still sucks :p ) but for me a lot was attributable to the heat-cycled Azenis. I [B]crushed [/B] my times running full tread MXs on [B]22# 18" rims[/B] :huh: They felt like R's compared to the heat cycled Azenis.
sorry for the run-on rant :banana:
| afpdl | 09-23-2004 03:59 PM |
Yeah heatcycled tires suck. My re070s went from almost azenis to worse then RE92s in one run.
| PKer | 09-23-2004 05:52 PM |
Kinda getting off topic here but... is there anything we can do to minimize the ill effects of heat cycling?
| thrdeye | 09-23-2004 05:58 PM |
In my experience, the azenis get harder as it wears, and gets older. This is true of most tires, I suppose, but you can really tell a difference with the Azenis.
My normal routine between runs is to hos e the tires off with water after my run, and hose them again and check the pressures before I get in the car for the next run.
My normal routine between runs is to hos e the tires off with water after my run, and hose them again and check the pressures before I get in the car for the next run.
| DougM | 09-23-2004 06:05 PM |
[QUOTE=PKer]Kinda getting off topic here but... is there anything we can do to minimize the ill effects of heat cycling?[/QUOTE]
I spray down the re070's with a watersprayer between runs and it makes a big difference.. about a half second I determined.
I spray down the re070's with a watersprayer between runs and it makes a big difference.. about a half second I determined.
| MNbiker | 09-23-2004 06:24 PM |
[QUOTE=thrdeye]In my experience, the azenis get harder as it wears, and gets older. This is true of most tires, I suppose, but you can really tell a difference with the Azenis.
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Guys, guys, the drop off due to repeat heat cycling of Azenis is nothing unusual. In fact, I've found the Azenis hold up better than average to repeated heat cycles. The performance of my last set of Azenis only fell of noticeably an event or two before they were corded.
Generally speaking, the softer the tire, the more sensitive it is to heat cycles. Those who think the Azenis goes off quickly have obviously never owned a set of Hoosiers, which lose performance LONG before they wear out.
Now, over-heating the Azenis (which is easier to do than with the Kumhos or BFG KD's) likely does hasten their demise. As someone else said, that's what water is for. ;) Go to any National event, and you'll see that most Azenis drivers have water sprayers to cool off their tires between runs. FWIW - there were a number of people at Nationals spraying down their Hoosiers (apparently the S04's don't like as much heat as the S03's did).
-Steve
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Guys, guys, the drop off due to repeat heat cycling of Azenis is nothing unusual. In fact, I've found the Azenis hold up better than average to repeated heat cycles. The performance of my last set of Azenis only fell of noticeably an event or two before they were corded.
Generally speaking, the softer the tire, the more sensitive it is to heat cycles. Those who think the Azenis goes off quickly have obviously never owned a set of Hoosiers, which lose performance LONG before they wear out.
Now, over-heating the Azenis (which is easier to do than with the Kumhos or BFG KD's) likely does hasten their demise. As someone else said, that's what water is for. ;) Go to any National event, and you'll see that most Azenis drivers have water sprayers to cool off their tires between runs. FWIW - there were a number of people at Nationals spraying down their Hoosiers (apparently the S04's don't like as much heat as the S03's did).
-Steve
| PhilC | 09-23-2004 06:48 PM |
Seeing a lot of spraying of S04s and V710s and we brought two water sprayers with us to Nationals for our Azenis. When we ran stock class in the Celica I was told part of the reason my V700s chunked so quickly was that we were not spraying them on a two driver car the way we should have been.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-23-2004 10:22 PM |
We sprayed the Victoracers/Ecstas on the IS300 after every run. The idea is that once the steel belt gets over the optimum range for the compound it acts like a big heating element since metal doesn't want to hang on to heat and rubber is a pretty good insulator. The same reason Hoosier claims the S04's overheat so much more severely than the S03's in the A compound despite what they say is the same compound for both tires.
| AlpineFD | 09-24-2004 01:02 AM |
heat cycling is the continuous heating and cooling of tires right? Then maybe spraying tires with water in between runs will actually accelerate the heat cycle.
| DougM | 09-24-2004 11:41 AM |
[QUOTE=AlpineFD]heat cycling is the continuous heating and cooling of tires right?[/QUOTE]
it's more of a "super heating" really. normal driving and most autocrossing shouldn't heat cycle a street tire too much, but dual drivers and/or hot days and agressive autocrossing will. the water helps between runs to keep the tire less likely to get up to that special "too hot" temperature... you know, the one where you have no traction........
it's more of a "super heating" really. normal driving and most autocrossing shouldn't heat cycle a street tire too much, but dual drivers and/or hot days and agressive autocrossing will. the water helps between runs to keep the tire less likely to get up to that special "too hot" temperature... you know, the one where you have no traction........
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-24-2004 11:56 AM |
One heat cycle is generally thought of as one trip up to operating temperature followed by one trip back down to within 15 degrees or so of ambient. Two drivers could actually reduce the heat cycles on a tire by maintaining the tire's temperature at or around its operating temperature over the course of their runs. Overheating is just as bad and a much more immediate problem than heat cycling because, like Doug said, you run out of grip, so I think a few extra heat cycles are probably worth not throwing away your runs with tires that have gone off. :)
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