| scobaru | 10-21-2004 10:13 PM |
Nurburgring times list?
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is there a list of cars raced on Nurburgring I'm curious how the Subarus compared to the other cars.
| joubtt | 10-22-2004 01:49 AM |
I'm not sure if it's from Nur but there's a clip of a Evo vs Sti and it lists the times at that track.
| Bagelw | 10-22-2004 05:00 AM |
Here is a list of times from Top Gear. Not the Nurburgring but should give you an idea. That's the UK Sti btw.
[URL=http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/]http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/[/URL]
The Stig's power lap times
Mercedes-Mclaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Lamborghini Murcielago - 1.23.7
Pagani Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble M12 GTO-3 - 1.25.0
Lamborghini Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR T350c - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
MG SV - 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Alpina Roadster (Z8) - 1.29.0
Subaru Impreza STi - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Nissan 350Z - 1.31.8
Mazda RX-8 - 1.31.8
Ford Focus RS - 1.32.2
Lotus Esprit V8 - 1.32.5
Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
Noble M12 - 1.33.1
Mercedes SL55 AMG - 1.33.2
VW Golf R32 - 1.33.2
Volvo S60R - 1.35.0
Ferrari 575 - 1.35.2
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 1.35.6
Lotus Elise - 1.35.6
Aston Martin Vanquish - 1.36.2
Renault Clio V6 - 1.36.2
Honda Civic Type R - 1.36.5
Saab 9-5 HOT Aero - 1.37.9
Maserati Coupe - 1.38.0
Bowler Wildcat - 1.39.4
Bentley Arnarge - 1.40.8
Range Rover overfinch - 1.44.0
[URL=http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/]http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/[/URL]
The Stig's power lap times
Mercedes-Mclaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Lamborghini Murcielago - 1.23.7
Pagani Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble M12 GTO-3 - 1.25.0
Lamborghini Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR T350c - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
MG SV - 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Alpina Roadster (Z8) - 1.29.0
Subaru Impreza STi - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Nissan 350Z - 1.31.8
Mazda RX-8 - 1.31.8
Ford Focus RS - 1.32.2
Lotus Esprit V8 - 1.32.5
Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
Noble M12 - 1.33.1
Mercedes SL55 AMG - 1.33.2
VW Golf R32 - 1.33.2
Volvo S60R - 1.35.0
Ferrari 575 - 1.35.2
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 1.35.6
Lotus Elise - 1.35.6
Aston Martin Vanquish - 1.36.2
Renault Clio V6 - 1.36.2
Honda Civic Type R - 1.36.5
Saab 9-5 HOT Aero - 1.37.9
Maserati Coupe - 1.38.0
Bowler Wildcat - 1.39.4
Bentley Arnarge - 1.40.8
Range Rover overfinch - 1.44.0
| bezerk | 10-22-2004 05:06 AM |
hmmmm.....not a bad showing for the STi
| nekoball | 10-22-2004 05:20 AM |
that list is kind of misleading.. some of those times are wet laps (like the nsx type R for one)
| Bagelw | 10-22-2004 05:51 AM |
[QUOTE=nekoball]that list is kind of misleading.. some of those times are wet laps (like the nsx type R for one)[/QUOTE]
Technically they would all be misleading simply because of varying track temps but I don't think they'd be able to get that many cars out at once. :p
Technically they would all be misleading simply because of varying track temps but I don't think they'd be able to get that many cars out at once. :p
| MNbiker | 10-22-2004 09:31 AM |
[QUOTE=scobaru]is there a list of cars raced on Nurburgring I'm curious how the Subarus compared to the other cars.[/QUOTE]
Here's the list:
[url]http://www.bmwdeler.no/[/url]
Here's the list:
[url]http://www.bmwdeler.no/[/url]
| redtruck | 10-22-2004 12:30 PM |
Haha.. Down on that list the Toyota Supra and a BMW X5 have practically the same time. :)
| drivrswntd | 10-22-2004 12:55 PM |
yea the bmw x5 le mans, which has a v10 f1 motor in it. :)
| leecea | 10-22-2004 01:18 PM |
...and Hans Stuck driving.
| ToddStratton | 10-23-2004 06:13 AM |
I know that a stock Porsche Carrera GT recently set the new "road" car record by chaving a few tenths off of the Gemballa Porsche time to 7:32.
I also have a clip of the GT doing a "flyby" of the tourist start/stop and it sounds like a jet.
There is also a clip of a v8 spec c STi doing a 8:06.9 lap. Talk about commitment...yikes!
TRS
I also have a clip of the GT doing a "flyby" of the tourist start/stop and it sounds like a jet.
There is also a clip of a v8 spec c STi doing a 8:06.9 lap. Talk about commitment...yikes!
TRS
| SolbergWRCfan | 10-23-2004 05:04 PM |
[QUOTE=drivrswntd]yea the bmw x5 le mans, which has a v10 f1 motor in it. :)[/QUOTE]
Beep, wrong. It has a turboed 12 from the BMW LeMans car............hence the name. :alien:
Jon
Beep, wrong. It has a turboed 12 from the BMW LeMans car............hence the name. :alien:
Jon
| bal00 | 11-09-2004 06:46 PM |
There's one here:
[url]http://www.944-fans.de/Nordschleife/Rundenzeiten/zeiten_ams_sa.htm[/url]
and another one there:
[url]http://www.nordschleife.no[/url]
and a more comprehensive site which also lists the lap time at Hockenheim, track temps, acceleration, braking, lateral acceleration etc.
All tests on this site are performed by the same magazine and the same driver:
[url]http://www.track-challenge.com[/url]
[url]http://www.944-fans.de/Nordschleife/Rundenzeiten/zeiten_ams_sa.htm[/url]
and another one there:
[url]http://www.nordschleife.no[/url]
and a more comprehensive site which also lists the lap time at Hockenheim, track temps, acceleration, braking, lateral acceleration etc.
All tests on this site are performed by the same magazine and the same driver:
[url]http://www.track-challenge.com[/url]
| kwak | 11-09-2004 08:45 PM |
John Felstead posted videos in this thread [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242511]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242511[/URL] where he is running laps in the 8:30 range.
| ZapZilla | 11-09-2004 09:33 PM |
on the latest ferrari enzo top gear test, the enzo beats the carrera gt by .8 sec, the carrera gt beat the slr with a 1.19.8
| johnei | 11-10-2004 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE=SolbergWRCfan]Beep, wrong. It has a turboed 12 from the BMW LeMans car............hence the name. :alien:
Jon[/QUOTE]
Almost - no turbos just the usual 6.0L V12 from the McLaren F1. Good for about 700bhp in the X5 without the restrictors of the LM cars.
[URL]http://www.bmwworld.com/models/x5_lemans.htm[/URL]
Jon[/QUOTE]
Almost - no turbos just the usual 6.0L V12 from the McLaren F1. Good for about 700bhp in the X5 without the restrictors of the LM cars.
[URL]http://www.bmwworld.com/models/x5_lemans.htm[/URL]
| HoRo1 | 11-10-2004 12:35 PM |
When you say Nurburgring, do you mean the new GP circuit or the Nordschleife?
John Felstead has done the old track in < 8:24 (I can't remember his exact time, but it is somewhere in the Nurburgring video thread as referenced above). His car is under 300HP I think.
John Felstead has done the old track in < 8:24 (I can't remember his exact time, but it is somewhere in the Nurburgring video thread as referenced above). His car is under 300HP I think.
| HoRo1 | 11-10-2004 12:37 PM |
[QUOTE=ZapZilla]on the latest ferrari enzo top gear test, the enzo beats the carrera gt by .8 sec, the carrera gt beat the slr with a 1.19.8[/QUOTE]
Which means that the Ford GT would probably split the Porsche and Enzo, but for $400,000 less.
Which means that the Ford GT would probably split the Porsche and Enzo, but for $400,000 less.
| ToddStratton | 11-10-2004 02:46 PM |
[QUOTE=HoRo1]When you say Nurburgring, do you mean the new GP circuit or the Nordschleife?
John Felstead has done the old track in < 8:24 (I can't remember his exact time, but it is somewhere in the Nurburgring video thread as referenced above). His car is under 300HP I think.[/QUOTE]
When most people refer to the Nurburgring they mean the Nordschleife (north loop) which is the 20km track to the north of the GP circuit.
Times from tourist drives are "BTG"-bridge to gantry, prominent marks you can use to guage your lap times. Most folks add ~25 seconds to a BTG time for a full lap estimate. Most times you see on the web sites are not from tourist drives but are of the full Nordschleife, including the long straight.
TRS
John Felstead has done the old track in < 8:24 (I can't remember his exact time, but it is somewhere in the Nurburgring video thread as referenced above). His car is under 300HP I think.[/QUOTE]
When most people refer to the Nurburgring they mean the Nordschleife (north loop) which is the 20km track to the north of the GP circuit.
Times from tourist drives are "BTG"-bridge to gantry, prominent marks you can use to guage your lap times. Most folks add ~25 seconds to a BTG time for a full lap estimate. Most times you see on the web sites are not from tourist drives but are of the full Nordschleife, including the long straight.
TRS
| ZapZilla | 11-10-2004 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=HoRo1]Which means that the Ford GT would probably split the Porsche and Enzo, but for $400,000 less.[/QUOTE]
they also tested the Ford GT and I have that video as well :) The Ford GT got a 1.21.9
they also tested the Ford GT and I have that video as well :) The Ford GT got a 1.21.9
| modvp | 11-10-2004 06:47 PM |
Evo MR ~ 1.26
[QUOTE=Bagelw]Here is a list of times from Top Gear. Not the Nurburgring but should give you an idea. That's the UK Sti btw.
[URL=http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/]http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/[/URL]
The Stig's power lap times
Mercedes-Mclaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Lamborghini Murcielago - 1.23.7
Pagani Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble M12 GTO-3 - 1.25.0
Lamborghini Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR T350c - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
MG SV - 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Alpina Roadster (Z8) - 1.29.0
Subaru Impreza STi - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Nissan 350Z - 1.31.8
Mazda RX-8 - 1.31.8
Ford Focus RS - 1.32.2
Lotus Esprit V8 - 1.32.5
Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
Noble M12 - 1.33.1
Mercedes SL55 AMG - 1.33.2
VW Golf R32 - 1.33.2
Volvo S60R - 1.35.0
Ferrari 575 - 1.35.2
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 1.35.6
Lotus Elise - 1.35.6
Aston Martin Vanquish - 1.36.2
Renault Clio V6 - 1.36.2
Honda Civic Type R - 1.36.5
Saab 9-5 HOT Aero - 1.37.9
Maserati Coupe - 1.38.0
Bowler Wildcat - 1.39.4
Bentley Arnarge - 1.40.8
Range Rover overfinch - 1.44.0[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bagelw]Here is a list of times from Top Gear. Not the Nurburgring but should give you an idea. That's the UK Sti btw.
[URL=http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/]http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/[/URL]
The Stig's power lap times
Mercedes-Mclaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Lamborghini Murcielago - 1.23.7
Pagani Zonda - 1.23.8
Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
Noble M12 GTO-3 - 1.25.0
Lamborghini Gallardo - 1.25.8
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
TVR T350c - 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
MG SV - 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII - 1.28.9
Alpina Roadster (Z8) - 1.29.0
Subaru Impreza STi - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Nissan 350Z - 1.31.8
Mazda RX-8 - 1.31.8
Ford Focus RS - 1.32.2
Lotus Esprit V8 - 1.32.5
Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
Noble M12 - 1.33.1
Mercedes SL55 AMG - 1.33.2
VW Golf R32 - 1.33.2
Volvo S60R - 1.35.0
Ferrari 575 - 1.35.2
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 1.35.6
Lotus Elise - 1.35.6
Aston Martin Vanquish - 1.36.2
Renault Clio V6 - 1.36.2
Honda Civic Type R - 1.36.5
Saab 9-5 HOT Aero - 1.37.9
Maserati Coupe - 1.38.0
Bowler Wildcat - 1.39.4
Bentley Arnarge - 1.40.8
Range Rover overfinch - 1.44.0[/QUOTE]
| johnfelstead | 11-12-2004 12:17 AM |
yep, my quickest lap at the Nurburgring is just under 8 minutes BTG, which works out about 8:20 for a full lap, that was in my westfield.
When i was over there at easter i met the test driver for Subaru Japan who was with the new Spec C limited edition. Just after i left they set a new lap record for an Impreza, breaking the 8 minute mark for the first time.
[url=http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_RA/02/01/index.html]Here is the car[/url] and the sticker on the boot. They are making 300 of this limited edition.
[img]http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_RA/02/01/06/imgs/top.jpg[/img]
[shameless plug]You can now buy a DVD of me at the Nurburgring in my STi5 TypeRA, have a look in the vendors area[/shameless plug] :D
When i was over there at easter i met the test driver for Subaru Japan who was with the new Spec C limited edition. Just after i left they set a new lap record for an Impreza, breaking the 8 minute mark for the first time.
[url=http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_RA/02/01/index.html]Here is the car[/url] and the sticker on the boot. They are making 300 of this limited edition.
[img]http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_RA/02/01/06/imgs/top.jpg[/img]
[shameless plug]You can now buy a DVD of me at the Nurburgring in my STi5 TypeRA, have a look in the vendors area[/shameless plug] :D
| T-WREXX | 11-12-2004 05:20 PM |
John you always have the coolest, top secret information! The Spec C is such a wonderful car, I mean you have a lap time that is right up there or better then some of the most exotic cars in the world!
I would like to get that dvd also, I will check it out.
Jesse
I would like to get that dvd also, I will check it out.
Jesse
| johnfelstead | 11-12-2004 09:41 PM |
Thanks Jesse. The Japanese driver was very cool, he had lots of japanese journalists with him doing a pre-launch on the car, officially it didnt exist at that time, but he was happy to chat about the changes they made to the spec C after testing at the nurburgring, such as the 8" wide wheels with larger PCD bolt pattern, larger hub assemblies, change of front LSD design and the Yaw sensor adition to the DCCD-A. Subaru now have a perminant test centre at the nurburgring that was being built this summer, they have plans to test all the major models there which has to be a good thing. :)
| makofoto | 11-13-2004 02:00 AM |
In the May 2004 Sport Auto magazine ... they tested a Euro 2.0 liter STI vs a Euro EVO7 ... the STI did the Ring in 8:24 ... the Evo7 8:25. This Euro STI had only 265 german HP ... strange ... I thought german HP were "smaller" the ours, ie. they usually have more of them compared to our engines?
They attributed the STI's faster time to it's new better 070 tires ... although most of the sections show higher speeds for the EVO ?
[IMG]http://images8.fotki.com/v119/photos/4/43793/836092/STIvsEVORing-vi.jpg[/IMG]
This was a large hi-rez scan ... I guess Nasioc limits the size of the images we can post ?
They attributed the STI's faster time to it's new better 070 tires ... although most of the sections show higher speeds for the EVO ?
[IMG]http://images8.fotki.com/v119/photos/4/43793/836092/STIvsEVORing-vi.jpg[/IMG]
This was a large hi-rez scan ... I guess Nasioc limits the size of the images we can post ?
| johnfelstead | 11-13-2004 09:16 AM |
Thats all the Euro Spec STi engine makes. You have to pay an extra �2K for the PPP upgrade to get 300BHP.
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