| Davenow | 07-08-2006 01:09 AM |
Questions about a racing seat
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Well, or one that will hold me in better for Autocross and track days..
Ok so I have already had quite enough of the complete lack of bolstering on the lower portion of the stock MSM seat. I thought about a CG lock, but that is going to amount to holding me down on a flat slippery seat anyway, so that isnt going to cut it either (although I am sure it would be better than nothing)
I just sold my stock MSM shocks/springs and I have a little in my bank acct, so I am 99.9% sure I am going to buy an aftermarket seat for the drivers side.
I am looking at the corbeau forza and the A4. The forza is cheaper and lighter, and will hold me in better, but will make a harness absolutely needed I think as the stock belt looks like will never work (nothing to bolt the receiver to) and wouldnt hold me in a seat like that anyway. The A4 I think I may be able to use the stock seatbelt, but I am not sure where the receiver would bolt to.
basically I have a few questions for you track/autocross guys who have these seats in your street car.
How do I make any of these seats work with the stock belt? Do they have a provision for bolting the reciever side of the belt up??
As typical with my ADD, I cant remember the other questions:rolleyes:
Ok so I have already had quite enough of the complete lack of bolstering on the lower portion of the stock MSM seat. I thought about a CG lock, but that is going to amount to holding me down on a flat slippery seat anyway, so that isnt going to cut it either (although I am sure it would be better than nothing)
I just sold my stock MSM shocks/springs and I have a little in my bank acct, so I am 99.9% sure I am going to buy an aftermarket seat for the drivers side.
I am looking at the corbeau forza and the A4. The forza is cheaper and lighter, and will hold me in better, but will make a harness absolutely needed I think as the stock belt looks like will never work (nothing to bolt the receiver to) and wouldnt hold me in a seat like that anyway. The A4 I think I may be able to use the stock seatbelt, but I am not sure where the receiver would bolt to.
basically I have a few questions for you track/autocross guys who have these seats in your street car.
How do I make any of these seats work with the stock belt? Do they have a provision for bolting the reciever side of the belt up??
As typical with my ADD, I cant remember the other questions:rolleyes:
| silver arrow | 07-08-2006 01:37 AM |
Sparco Speed is similar and has somewhere to bolt the receiver. No much more price wise and alittle extra gets heavier duty fabric to deal with DD.
| Davenow | 07-08-2006 02:17 AM |
The speed is 329, the forza is 220...
| PhilC | 07-08-2006 08:06 AM |
Sparco's seat brackets generally have the portion that the seat belt receiver bolts to. So it's bolting to the seat bracket not to the seat.
| RichardM | 07-08-2006 09:44 AM |
But check the rules. Some classes don't allow race seats.
| austinpike | 07-08-2006 10:29 AM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]How do I make any of these seats work with the stock belt? Do they have a provision for bolting the reciever side of the belt up??[/QUOTE] Unless they have changed things significantly in the past few years there is no provision for the receiver with the A4. The receiver attaches to the stock seat rail; I cut some metal adapters and mounted the A4s to the stock rails. On older miatas the receiver mounted to the center tunnel; I think people have made holes in the newer ones to mount them in the same location.
You'll see when pulling the stock seats that the underside of the pan is not symmetrical; they are designed to sort of contour to the tunnel. Since aftermarket seats are pretty much symmetrical it limits the fitment possibilites in what is already a confined space. Mine didn't feel properly "centered" on the steering wheel, and there was no room to move them one way or the other. If you figure out another solution for the receiver you will have a little more room to play with. Overall it was a PITA and I was not happy with the fitment, but the seats do hold you in pretty well.
You'll see when pulling the stock seats that the underside of the pan is not symmetrical; they are designed to sort of contour to the tunnel. Since aftermarket seats are pretty much symmetrical it limits the fitment possibilites in what is already a confined space. Mine didn't feel properly "centered" on the steering wheel, and there was no room to move them one way or the other. If you figure out another solution for the receiver you will have a little more room to play with. Overall it was a PITA and I was not happy with the fitment, but the seats do hold you in pretty well.
| mykrrrr | 07-08-2006 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]Well, or one that will hold me in better for Autocross and track days..
Ok so I have already had quite enough of the complete lack of bolstering on the lower portion of the stock MSM seat. I thought about a CG lock, but that is going to amount to holding me down on a flat slippery seat anyway, so that isnt going to cut it either (although I am sure it would be better than nothing)
I just sold my stock MSM shocks/springs and I have a little in my bank acct, so I am 99.9% sure I am going to buy an aftermarket seat for the drivers side.
I am looking at the corbeau forza and the A4. The forza is cheaper and lighter, and will hold me in better, but will make a harness absolutely needed I think as the stock belt looks like will never work (nothing to bolt the receiver to) and wouldnt hold me in a seat like that anyway. The A4 I think I may be able to use the stock seatbelt, but I am not sure where the receiver would bolt to.
basically I have a few questions for you track/autocross guys who have these seats in your street car.
How do I make any of these seats work with the stock belt? Do they have a provision for bolting the reciever side of the belt up??
As typical with my ADD, I cant remember the other questions:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I ran a Corbeau FX4 in my EP3 Civic and the seat bracket that Corbeau sold me had provisions for the seat belt built into the bracket. Call them and see if that's the same case.
Ok so I have already had quite enough of the complete lack of bolstering on the lower portion of the stock MSM seat. I thought about a CG lock, but that is going to amount to holding me down on a flat slippery seat anyway, so that isnt going to cut it either (although I am sure it would be better than nothing)
I just sold my stock MSM shocks/springs and I have a little in my bank acct, so I am 99.9% sure I am going to buy an aftermarket seat for the drivers side.
I am looking at the corbeau forza and the A4. The forza is cheaper and lighter, and will hold me in better, but will make a harness absolutely needed I think as the stock belt looks like will never work (nothing to bolt the receiver to) and wouldnt hold me in a seat like that anyway. The A4 I think I may be able to use the stock seatbelt, but I am not sure where the receiver would bolt to.
basically I have a few questions for you track/autocross guys who have these seats in your street car.
How do I make any of these seats work with the stock belt? Do they have a provision for bolting the reciever side of the belt up??
As typical with my ADD, I cant remember the other questions:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I ran a Corbeau FX4 in my EP3 Civic and the seat bracket that Corbeau sold me had provisions for the seat belt built into the bracket. Call them and see if that's the same case.
| Davenow | 07-08-2006 11:16 AM |
[QUOTE=RichardM]But check the rules. Some classes don't allow race seats.[/QUOTE]
SM2 does:D
SM2 does:D
| Stephanie | 07-08-2006 01:19 PM |
I'm not sure how tall you are but I've heard that the A4 seat pad bolstering makes it difficult to get in and out (bolstering comes up high enough that you have to wedge your leg between the seat and steering wheel getting in/out). As for the seat belt receiver I don't know, but it would be worth a call to Corbeau to see what they can offer or if they've made changes recently.
From talking to several people with fixed back seats in miatas I've heard that if you drive in them for any distance it will feel like your kidneys are bleeding. I've known several people to go back to factory seats after trying fixed back. I've sat in the A4s for short periods of time and found them comfortable, not sure how they'd be on longer trips though (we have a 2hr drive to autox so comfort is somewhat of a decisive factor).
Good luck, if you get the A4s and drive your miata any distance let me know what they're like comfort wise.
From talking to several people with fixed back seats in miatas I've heard that if you drive in them for any distance it will feel like your kidneys are bleeding. I've known several people to go back to factory seats after trying fixed back. I've sat in the A4s for short periods of time and found them comfortable, not sure how they'd be on longer trips though (we have a 2hr drive to autox so comfort is somewhat of a decisive factor).
Good luck, if you get the A4s and drive your miata any distance let me know what they're like comfort wise.
| austinpike | 07-08-2006 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Stephanie]Good luck, if you get the A4s and drive your miata any distance let me know what they're like comfort wise.[/QUOTE] Given the tight fit in the car, even though they are reclineable, you are pretty well locked to one position. I think comfort on long trips depends on being able to shift your body around somewhat, and the A4s are pretty tight. I did a 5+ hour (each way) road trip in them and survived, but it was not exactly pleasant.
I think they would be great for autox/track events (I didn't keep mine long enough to find out) but they were just not something I wanted to live with in a (mostly) daily driver.
I don't recall any issues with the steering wheel when getting in/out.
I think they would be great for autox/track events (I didn't keep mine long enough to find out) but they were just not something I wanted to live with in a (mostly) daily driver.
I don't recall any issues with the steering wheel when getting in/out.
| silver arrow | 07-08-2006 05:20 PM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]The speed is 329, the forza is 220...[/QUOTE]
I'm on vacation when I get home I'll give you the link to a place that sells them in the 280 range with the heavier fabric. Speed is a more comfortable seat and will wear better.
I'm on vacation when I get home I'll give you the link to a place that sells them in the 280 range with the heavier fabric. Speed is a more comfortable seat and will wear better.
| Davenow | 07-08-2006 07:40 PM |
[QUOTE=silver arrow]I'm on vacation when I get home I'll give you the link to a place that sells them in the 280 range with the heavier fabric. Speed is a more comfortable seat and will wear better.[/QUOTE]
Awesome :)
Oh and for the long trip thing, it takes litterally 3 min to swap seats in this car. Ill put the stock seat back in for long trips :)
I am betting if I already have the compressor turned on and the air ratchet out with the socket on it, I could do it in @1min.
Awesome :)
Oh and for the long trip thing, it takes litterally 3 min to swap seats in this car. Ill put the stock seat back in for long trips :)
I am betting if I already have the compressor turned on and the air ratchet out with the socket on it, I could do it in @1min.
| silver arrow | 07-09-2006 01:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]Awesome :)
Oh and for the long trip thing, it takes litterally 3 min to swap seats in this car. Ill put the stock seat back in for long trips :)
I am betting if I already have the compressor turned on and the air ratchet out with the socket on it, I could do it in @1min.[/QUOTE]
The Speed uses viscous memory foam and pads a little thicker on the bottom cushion and has leather patches on the top of the bolstering to protect against wear.
Oh and for the long trip thing, it takes litterally 3 min to swap seats in this car. Ill put the stock seat back in for long trips :)
I am betting if I already have the compressor turned on and the air ratchet out with the socket on it, I could do it in @1min.[/QUOTE]
The Speed uses viscous memory foam and pads a little thicker on the bottom cushion and has leather patches on the top of the bolstering to protect against wear.
| BUCA | 07-09-2006 10:09 AM |
I have the Sparco Evo2 seat,I usually use it when I auto cross, it's a bit pricey but it's comfortable if your 200lbs or plus.
| silver arrow | 07-09-2006 11:20 AM |
I agree EVO2 is a better seat, but it is more than he is looking to spend.
| ROC pit-bull | 07-09-2006 11:38 AM |
on the forza seat your stock seatbelt will work. but if you get a tube steel frame, and your car botoms out some how you will regret getting a tube frame seat.
you should look for a fiberglass seat if your on a restricted budget. stay far away from tube frame seats.
you should look for a fiberglass seat if your on a restricted budget. stay far away from tube frame seats.
| DougM | 08-02-2006 03:56 PM |
I recently installed a Sparco Speed seat in my STi. (previously I had Sparco Torinos in there). The seat is very supportive for my frame, and the seating position is excellent. (6', 150lbs).
the Sparco mounting brackets (bottom mount seat) have an angle bracket for attaching the OE seat belt receptor.
My concern though is that when using the stock seat belt it drapes over the seat bolsters leaving a gap between the belt and my waist... (the bolsters are taller than my legs/waist are thick).
Have others had this issue/concern and is there a safe way to use the OE belt?
a pillow under my butt would help but it's not exactly eloquent
the Sparco mounting brackets (bottom mount seat) have an angle bracket for attaching the OE seat belt receptor.
My concern though is that when using the stock seat belt it drapes over the seat bolsters leaving a gap between the belt and my waist... (the bolsters are taller than my legs/waist are thick).
Have others had this issue/concern and is there a safe way to use the OE belt?
a pillow under my butt would help but it's not exactly eloquent
| rjrutzky | 08-02-2006 06:03 PM |
You would be surprised what a 3/4 point harness will do. My knee was getting beat to hell on the door and I almost bought a new seat. I got a harness first and wow, no more bruised knee. I'm content for now.
| silver arrow | 08-02-2006 06:30 PM |
run the belts through the holes
| Jack | 08-03-2006 11:14 AM |
Dave,
I don't know which to recommend to you, but will convey some thoughts.
My CRX has a full aluminum Kirkey. It's like what the miata guys bleed in. You do NOT want to drive this on the street and it's made to have the back connected to a rollcage.
Non reclining: I have a Subesport Cobra that I bought to run in either my Cobra if I ever decide to put it on the track and did run it for a few months in my RS. It was bad enough that I put the stock seat back in because I couldn't live with it on the street.
My old E30 M3 had stock Recaro recliners. I'd look for something like this. Recliner and well bolstered sides but not a full race side. This allows you to use either the stock belt or comp belts. If you can't use the stock subie receiver because it goes with the seat, see if the belt will attach to other stock receivers. If a Honda/Acura one fits, let me know. I've got a parts car and will give you one of these for the cost to ship it to you.
Whatever you do, go to a shop that has the exact model you want in a showroom where you can actually sit in them. I know that a bunch of the Cobra guys have ordered the same seat that I have and the company changed some of the dimensions and the seatback angle. These guys were NOT happy.
jack
I don't know which to recommend to you, but will convey some thoughts.
My CRX has a full aluminum Kirkey. It's like what the miata guys bleed in. You do NOT want to drive this on the street and it's made to have the back connected to a rollcage.
Non reclining: I have a Subesport Cobra that I bought to run in either my Cobra if I ever decide to put it on the track and did run it for a few months in my RS. It was bad enough that I put the stock seat back in because I couldn't live with it on the street.
My old E30 M3 had stock Recaro recliners. I'd look for something like this. Recliner and well bolstered sides but not a full race side. This allows you to use either the stock belt or comp belts. If you can't use the stock subie receiver because it goes with the seat, see if the belt will attach to other stock receivers. If a Honda/Acura one fits, let me know. I've got a parts car and will give you one of these for the cost to ship it to you.
Whatever you do, go to a shop that has the exact model you want in a showroom where you can actually sit in them. I know that a bunch of the Cobra guys have ordered the same seat that I have and the company changed some of the dimensions and the seatback angle. These guys were NOT happy.
jack
| silver arrow | 08-03-2006 06:39 PM |
I've been sitting in everyones seats at the autocrosses trying to figure out what to buy. I think I have settled on the EVO2. Just have to figure out what to do about fitting the stock seatbelts and making it as practical as possible and save up an extra $600 bucks.
| RAAMmat | 08-03-2006 11:08 PM |
I have owned a number of aftermarket seats, comfort, Recaro Speed was very nice, Sparco, unless spending a bundle, not that happy with them, Racetech, love them.
I currently have the RT1000 seats in my project car, soon they will be stocking them in the FIA version but I may switch to the RT4009 for a bit more daily driver comfort though they weigh a bit more. I have driven 300+ miles in one day and ran numerous autocross runs and been quite comfortable in the 1000's but will be driving even further to events soon so looking at the 4009's.
Rick
I currently have the RT1000 seats in my project car, soon they will be stocking them in the FIA version but I may switch to the RT4009 for a bit more daily driver comfort though they weigh a bit more. I have driven 300+ miles in one day and ran numerous autocross runs and been quite comfortable in the 1000's but will be driving even further to events soon so looking at the 4009's.
Rick
| DougM | 02-05-2007 08:12 PM |
[quote=silver arrow;14750051]run the belts through the holes[/quote]
that works, for the most part. you'll need to remove one end of the belt from the car then string it through the bolster. One issue I had was the arm that holds the other end (where you plug it in) was too long, to make it proper you would want to cut the arm/bracket short (unless you're a really short person) and re-drill it to fit.
that works, for the most part. you'll need to remove one end of the belt from the car then string it through the bolster. One issue I had was the arm that holds the other end (where you plug it in) was too long, to make it proper you would want to cut the arm/bracket short (unless you're a really short person) and re-drill it to fit.
| Pappy | 02-06-2007 05:24 PM |
Im thinking about getting a seat also for autocross, but will that move me out of STX?
| pignoseSTI | 02-06-2007 07:28 PM |
nope you can stay in stx as long as the seat and mounting hardware weight 25lbs and up
| badboiWRX | 02-06-2007 10:49 PM |
most important is how big you are... and what seat fits your size comfortably. Sparco Pro2000's are a popular choice... typically good for a size 34-38 waste. 38 might be pushing it depending on your hip size. At that point, you can go EVO2, but it is a different design and less comfy or supportive. If you are bigger than a Pro2000, I'd go with a Cobra Suzuka GT. If you are smaller than a Pro2000, I'd go with the Cobra Suzuka. Recaro SPG's are nice but costly... and they are a lil smaller than the Pro2000 I'd say...
If you intend to use the stock seatbelt with a race bucket, you should unbolt the lower portion of the seatbelt and route it through the lap belt opening so that it will better support you... the reciever side might get tricky. Porsche runs the reciever inside of the bucket itself on the GT3 RS, but I have not driven one so cannot comment on how effective that is. It looks like it might make for a tighter fit and leave a bruise on my hip/ thigh, though.
If you intend to use the stock seatbelt with a race bucket, you should unbolt the lower portion of the seatbelt and route it through the lap belt opening so that it will better support you... the reciever side might get tricky. Porsche runs the reciever inside of the bucket itself on the GT3 RS, but I have not driven one so cannot comment on how effective that is. It looks like it might make for a tighter fit and leave a bruise on my hip/ thigh, though.
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