| imprezive | 03-09-2002 02:45 PM |
tell my parents about autoX
I want to start autoXing soon, but my parents aren't thrilled about the idea of me racing ( I think they are opposed to "racing" in general) Proably because of the bad connotations (street racing, nascar wrecks, ect
Please tell about how safe it is (don't lie)
and tell them your experiences.... ie: "I've been doin autoX for 50 years and I never seen anyone so much as need a baind-aid"
;)
Please tell about how safe it is (don't lie)
and tell them your experiences.... ie: "I've been doin autoX for 50 years and I never seen anyone so much as need a baind-aid"
;)
| Tkacik | 03-09-2002 03:32 PM |
SCCA Santioned events are EXTREMELY safe. There number one concern is safety. Granted I havent been to many events, but the ones that I have been to are very safe.
| Sergeant_V | 03-09-2002 03:51 PM |
Solo II events emphasize car control and are a terrific way for young people to learn the handling characterstics of their vehicles in a safe, closed, supervised environment. The skills acquired while negotiating an autocross course will one day come to the aid of the driver if ever required to avoid an obstructruction (vehicle, object, etc.) that unexpectedly presents itself on a public motorway.
| Penphoe | 03-09-2002 04:14 PM |
Better yet...
Take a "performance" driving course that just happens to be a novic auto-x driving course! Check out your local auto-x clubs and see if the put on any intro courses. I'm assuming that you're still a minor, so you'll probably need your parents permission to participate in the school, and in auto-x'ing, but heck, bring them out to the driving course too! They'd be surprised what they will learn and what the car can do!
LaterZ!
Darren!!
LaterZ!
Darren!!
| KC | 03-09-2002 06:41 PM |
[url]http://www.scca.org[/url]
--kC
--kC
| grimlock | 03-09-2002 10:16 PM |
The most common injury at autocross events is sunburn. The most serious car damage you should expect is accelerated tire wear. And, to be perfectly honest, I feel safer on an autocross course than I do on my drive to work. Stick with a street tire class and things will be much less likely to get out of hand.
Ross N.
Ross N.
| Kostamojen | 03-10-2002 02:52 AM |
Large, open, flat lots where its impossible to hit anything or anyone or even flip the car while on the track...
Ya, the only possible thing is tire wear, but unless you have a lot of skills already, theres no way on your first time your gonna destroy your tires much if at all :p
Why not just take them there so they can see it in person?
Ya, the only possible thing is tire wear, but unless you have a lot of skills already, theres no way on your first time your gonna destroy your tires much if at all :p
Why not just take them there so they can see it in person?
| Spooled | 03-10-2002 03:12 AM |
My dad is the same way about this. I just showed him the printout of this cuz we had the same talk last week but he doesn't believe it and he said cars aren't meant for speed and "0-60 times." Actually dad, they came up w/ 0-60 testing for the purpose of safety especially on freeway merging but nope, he doesn't believe cuz he knows all. I'm always pissed off w/ him. I wouldn't have even gotten this car if it wasn't for my cool mom. My dad objects to everything. Sorry guys, just had to vent. I'm just sick of this $#!+ :(
| iBlueVirus | 03-10-2002 04:12 AM |
man, they sure let you slip and have a WRX!:D Like others said. Bring them to an event. If they don't want to go or don't have the time. Tape it and show them.
My mom was the same way, but I took pics and videos. She is cool now, for now... I am still trying to figure a way to tell her about rallying my car. :lol:
My mom was the same way, but I took pics and videos. She is cool now, for now... I am still trying to figure a way to tell her about rallying my car. :lol:
| Spooled | 03-10-2002 01:19 PM |
Yeah, I doubt even pics and videos will do the trick. When my dad believes something, he sticks to it. How stubborn. Oh well, I guess I'll have to find some way to do it in secret if that's even possible.
| TheWRX | 03-10-2002 02:52 PM |
I'm just getting started with auto-x myself, even though I'm not nearly as young as the original poster. One thing that I'm really impressed by is how it is all run by volunteers who put a lot of time and effort into something they care about. At the events, everybody is required to help. I think that a teenager could profit enormously from spending time with all these great people of different ages and backgrounds, and working with them to make the events successful. If you think of all the bad places where a teenager could hang out on Sundays, your parents should be very happy that you're interested in an activity like this.
| Burnout | 03-10-2002 07:03 PM |
I was in the same boat, but I finally got my parent to let me drive in auto crosses. I talked to them about the safety and the dangers as things can go wrong when auto crossing but vary rarely do. I also told how them how serious I was about it and what it meant to me. It took a lot of time talking and them asking the same questions over and over and over again. Tell them the negatives about it also and think of strong points that make it less serious, things do happen but people very rarely get hurt besides there pride when auto crossing. On another note they will not let me auto cross my car, so I will be using a base Mitso 3000GT that used to be my dads car, even though its not the best car for auto crossing, its a car so I'm happy. Now I just have to get my grades up :alien:
| stiguy555 | 03-10-2002 08:21 PM |
A base 3000GT? That definetly isnt a good car to autoX! 3,300 pounds+ FWD= downed cones or a slow time.:D
Just jokin', besides, your superior driving will take care of things right?
Oh and for the parents: The only thing that could be hit is a one-pound orange safety cone! If you drive well, you dont even have to worry about the cone!
AutoXing is fun, and will definetly turn people away from street racing, since they would get they're fill of compititiion in AutoX.
Just jokin', besides, your superior driving will take care of things right?
Oh and for the parents: The only thing that could be hit is a one-pound orange safety cone! If you drive well, you dont even have to worry about the cone!
AutoXing is fun, and will definetly turn people away from street racing, since they would get they're fill of compititiion in AutoX.
| OnTheGas | 03-11-2002 01:08 AM |
Re: tell my parents about autoX
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by imprezive [/i]
I want to start autoXing soon, but my parents aren't thrilled about the idea of me racing ( I think they are opposed to "racing" in general) Proably because of the bad connotations (street racing, nascar wrecks, ect.[/QUOTE]Autocrossing is an act of safety... it makes one a safer driver because each driver is out on the course by themself, the course is a narrow, twisty, slow course marked off by traffic cones. The courses are designed so that anyone (experienced or not) can drive up in most any reasonably safe street car or truck... and participate.
It is inexpensive, costing around $25, it doesn't require special tires, or a roll cage, or a high performance motor, because the course is relatively slow, street tires are expected to be used, and most competitors never make out of 2nd gear, keeping the speeds w/in hwy speeds (~60mph).
The primary reason that autocrosses are safe, is that it allows a driver to push to ones car to the limits of adhesion, w/out endangering others, or itself. That means that when driving down the highway afterwards, the driver knows what the limits of adhesion are, and what happens when those limits are exceeded. It means that a driver who has participated in an autocross, knows better than most of the other drivers how quickly his vehicle will stop, how quickly his vehicle will turn, how much turning adhesion his vehicle has, and what happens if the limits of adhesion are exceeded. The driver will be more confident, and more safe.
Autocrossing is an investment in your child-driver's life...
I want to start autoXing soon, but my parents aren't thrilled about the idea of me racing ( I think they are opposed to "racing" in general) Proably because of the bad connotations (street racing, nascar wrecks, ect.[/QUOTE]Autocrossing is an act of safety... it makes one a safer driver because each driver is out on the course by themself, the course is a narrow, twisty, slow course marked off by traffic cones. The courses are designed so that anyone (experienced or not) can drive up in most any reasonably safe street car or truck... and participate.
It is inexpensive, costing around $25, it doesn't require special tires, or a roll cage, or a high performance motor, because the course is relatively slow, street tires are expected to be used, and most competitors never make out of 2nd gear, keeping the speeds w/in hwy speeds (~60mph).
The primary reason that autocrosses are safe, is that it allows a driver to push to ones car to the limits of adhesion, w/out endangering others, or itself. That means that when driving down the highway afterwards, the driver knows what the limits of adhesion are, and what happens when those limits are exceeded. It means that a driver who has participated in an autocross, knows better than most of the other drivers how quickly his vehicle will stop, how quickly his vehicle will turn, how much turning adhesion his vehicle has, and what happens if the limits of adhesion are exceeded. The driver will be more confident, and more safe.
Autocrossing is an investment in your child-driver's life...
| Sean | 03-11-2002 01:26 AM |
All of the above statements are 99.9% true. Autocross is [i]almost[/i] completely safe. But...
I hate to be the only one to piss in your Cheerios, but things can go wrong. ;) Autocross is the safest form of motorsports however, if the driver screws up, things can go wrong. I spun my car into a fence at an autocross in Philly Region SCCA at Camden back in 2000. A guy rolled his VW Golf in the same spot at Camden in 2001. Both incidents were due to massive driver error.
Think of it this way...the chances of things going seriously wrong at an autocross are about the same as things going seriously wrong on the highway at 65 MPH with no other drivers around. Freak accidents happen.
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20001022-01/640/20001022-013-camdenautox.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20001022-01/640/20001022-039-camdenautox.jpg[/IMG]
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Somebody set up us the WRX. All your rice are belong to us!
I hate to be the only one to piss in your Cheerios, but things can go wrong. ;) Autocross is the safest form of motorsports however, if the driver screws up, things can go wrong. I spun my car into a fence at an autocross in Philly Region SCCA at Camden back in 2000. A guy rolled his VW Golf in the same spot at Camden in 2001. Both incidents were due to massive driver error.
Think of it this way...the chances of things going seriously wrong at an autocross are about the same as things going seriously wrong on the highway at 65 MPH with no other drivers around. Freak accidents happen.
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20001022-01/640/20001022-013-camdenautox.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20001022-01/640/20001022-039-camdenautox.jpg[/IMG]
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Somebody set up us the WRX. All your rice are belong to us!
| Sean | 03-11-2002 01:37 AM |
Just to clarify...the SCCA standard for distance of all "unmovable" objects is 90 feet from the course. The slalom shown in the above photo is 110 feet from the course moving away from the fence. The suggested entry speed for that slalom was around 25 MPH. It hit it doing 40 MPH and, due to driver error, cold tires and low brake pressure (I had never bled my brakes), ended up spinning towards the fence instead of away from the fence...even though the course was specifically designed to have people spin away from all objects.
I can't stress enough that I feel safer at an autocross than I do on the highway.
If you want to show your parents what it's like, here's some in-car camera:
[url]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20000924-02/Video/20000924-camdenbestrun.mpg[/url]
And what it looks like from the sidelines:
[url]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20000924-02/Video/20000924-camdenwintrode.mpg[/url]
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkey.com/pics/lil.gif[/IMG] [URL=http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132430]Fear the Trunkmonkey.[/URL] There is no cone.
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Somebody set up us the WRX. All your rice are belong to us!
I can't stress enough that I feel safer at an autocross than I do on the highway.
If you want to show your parents what it's like, here's some in-car camera:
[url]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20000924-02/Video/20000924-camdenbestrun.mpg[/url]
And what it looks like from the sidelines:
[url]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20000924-02/Video/20000924-camdenwintrode.mpg[/url]
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkey.com/pics/lil.gif[/IMG] [URL=http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132430]Fear the Trunkmonkey.[/URL] There is no cone.
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Somebody set up us the WRX. All your rice are belong to us!
| stiguy555 | 03-11-2002 02:45 AM |
Those are great videos. Gosh, I cant wait to get into an AutoX!
:eek: :cool:
:eek: :cool:
| XT6Wagon | 03-11-2002 07:51 AM |
One thing that is true for alot of the "damage" screwups is that the people didn't give it up. Most of the Racecar drivers will tell you that once it hits the fan, don't think at ALL about the race, think only about getting your rear end out of the situation you put it in. One great thing to try is going "both feet in" in otherwords stand on the clutch and the brake.
AutoX can be a great thing to practice things like this as if you pick the right place to screw up, you will have plenty of safe space to feel the car when it is out of control. Trust me it takes LOTS of these to start getting the hang of how to fix a out of control situations, based on the simple fact that there is hundreds of ways to end up out of control, and each with a unique way to solve said problem correctly. I've even intentionaly thrown my car into a spin to avoid a fence. I've stood on the gas when the front of my car was pointed the wrong way and sliding sideways into the area of a nice little building, which is the LAST thing you might think of, but practice before hand in safer condions (GT2) told me that anything else will just be a bad idea. Sure enough it worked the car swapped ends and proceeded to drag itself back under control with a little help from some follow up steering inputs.
I might also say that to practice driving find a ice covered parking lot w/o lots of poles and play there...
AutoX can be a great thing to practice things like this as if you pick the right place to screw up, you will have plenty of safe space to feel the car when it is out of control. Trust me it takes LOTS of these to start getting the hang of how to fix a out of control situations, based on the simple fact that there is hundreds of ways to end up out of control, and each with a unique way to solve said problem correctly. I've even intentionaly thrown my car into a spin to avoid a fence. I've stood on the gas when the front of my car was pointed the wrong way and sliding sideways into the area of a nice little building, which is the LAST thing you might think of, but practice before hand in safer condions (GT2) told me that anything else will just be a bad idea. Sure enough it worked the car swapped ends and proceeded to drag itself back under control with a little help from some follow up steering inputs.
I might also say that to practice driving find a ice covered parking lot w/o lots of poles and play there...
| CivicSiRacer | 03-11-2002 08:15 AM |
Also ask them to read my autocross help page: [url]http://home.dejazzd.com/mlouie/autocross.html[/url]
| AWMIII | 03-11-2002 09:11 AM |
It is safe, but you need to have the financial backing to deal with the posssiblities. I saw Sean's incident, and I also saw the VW go over (it was a Jetta). IT was almost certainly totalled and the driver was seriously hurt. I have seen wheels come off and even once saw two cars hit. If you do enough autocrosses, you just see stuff. This stuff also happens on the road. The difference is that on the road your insurance will almost certainly cover you. At an autocross, it is very, vary gray. Probally you will get covered once and dropped, but maybe you don't get covered at all. If I total my WRX autocrossing, it will be a major financial hardship if insurance does not cover it (PLEASE DON'T START THE AUTOCROSSING IS A DRIVER'S ED EVENT THREAD, BECAUSE UNLESS IT IS A SCHOOL IT IS NOT), but I am a big boy and can deal with it. There are the warantee issues also. I have heard of BMW dealers reading the results from local events and denying coverage based on seeing that a car was autocrossed. Again, most likely it is not a problem, but if you blow a transmission, can you afford to replace it with out the warrantee? If you are a minor, most clubs require a parent to be present and to sign off on your competing. That said, I have just started my 5th season, and I competed in about 25 events last year and will continue to compete at about that pace. I love the sport, and it has improved my daily driving in that it has slowed me down considerably on the street and it does help with teaching you emergency manuevers. It is not all wonderful though. The reason you parents may be on the fence is that it is an expensive hobby. I figure about 100$ an event in addition to entery fees. It accelerates wear on bushings, shock, shock mounts, wheel barings, ect. I figure I will use 2-3 sets of tires this summer, change the oil 2 or 3 times and will get the car aligned twice.
| Jude DeMeis | 03-11-2002 11:25 AM |
Grimlock, I don't agree that autocross is no risk to your car mechanically. I have broken two cars autocrossing (once a clutch, once a fuel pump), my friends have blown a transmission in a Miata and an engine in a VW. When you work any car that hard, things are certainly more likely to break or come loose than on the street.
| grimlock | 03-11-2002 01:20 PM |
Ok, I'll revise my statement: Autocross will accelerate wear of all wear items on the car. Brakes and clutch will wear a bit more quickly, but tires will be the most noticable. Also, pushing the car will provide an opportunity for any parts that are bordering on failure to go ahead and break so that they can be replaced.
| bowenx | 03-11-2002 11:52 PM |
and, let them know that you can have an instructor with you for the first few times as well.
And I would not sell the idea of Autocross as racing, they might think that you are neck and neck with other cars going 65 through cones. Yes, there are some other cars out there, but it is not like cannon ball run.
Yes, there will be some faster wear on parts as well, and there does exist the potential for damage, but like others have said, I feel safter out on the autox course than I do driving to NJ down the Merritt Parkway to visit my girlfriend.
So, best of luck, and just bring them to one to let them see for themselves.
and I would suggest you don't autox behind their backs if they own the car, or let you live at home with them, could lead to ugliness.
And I would not sell the idea of Autocross as racing, they might think that you are neck and neck with other cars going 65 through cones. Yes, there are some other cars out there, but it is not like cannon ball run.
Yes, there will be some faster wear on parts as well, and there does exist the potential for damage, but like others have said, I feel safter out on the autox course than I do driving to NJ down the Merritt Parkway to visit my girlfriend.
So, best of luck, and just bring them to one to let them see for themselves.
and I would suggest you don't autox behind their backs if they own the car, or let you live at home with them, could lead to ugliness.
| Kostamojen | 03-12-2002 03:22 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Spooled [/i]
[B]Yeah, I doubt even pics and videos will do the trick. When my dad believes something, he sticks to it. How stubborn. Oh well, I guess I'll have to find some way to do it in secret if that's even possible. [/B][/QUOTE]
Show him a tape of some rally racing, or better yet that cool compilation .mpg video of the WRC 2001 season with all the good stuff!
[B]Yeah, I doubt even pics and videos will do the trick. When my dad believes something, he sticks to it. How stubborn. Oh well, I guess I'll have to find some way to do it in secret if that's even possible. [/B][/QUOTE]
Show him a tape of some rally racing, or better yet that cool compilation .mpg video of the WRC 2001 season with all the good stuff!
| Kostamojen | 03-12-2002 03:32 AM |
I have to disagree with the damage and saftey comments about it not being totally safe or possibly causing damage to parts.
For someone who has NEVER done anything like it before, they most assuradly WILL NOT go fast enough in the course to cause anything other than slightly increased tire wear. Ive ridden in cars on auto-x courses with experience drivers, and I can no where near duplicate that amount of pushing of my car when I will try and do it my first time out...
PLUS, there are people who go out and dont push the car that hard anyway, which is not required of you in an autocross unless you specifically want to race hard and fast (which of course the natural tendancy is, albiet up to ones personal skill level). I see several folks like that at every event too who just cruise along at a nice even pace.
And in Seans case, I havent been to an auto-x with any "fenses" or dangerous possibly-colliding-with objects close enough for even a viper spinning out at 60mph to hit (which I did see a Viper spinning out at 60mph constantly), so in that case it really depends on that specific auto-x location.
For someone who has NEVER done anything like it before, they most assuradly WILL NOT go fast enough in the course to cause anything other than slightly increased tire wear. Ive ridden in cars on auto-x courses with experience drivers, and I can no where near duplicate that amount of pushing of my car when I will try and do it my first time out...
PLUS, there are people who go out and dont push the car that hard anyway, which is not required of you in an autocross unless you specifically want to race hard and fast (which of course the natural tendancy is, albiet up to ones personal skill level). I see several folks like that at every event too who just cruise along at a nice even pace.
And in Seans case, I havent been to an auto-x with any "fenses" or dangerous possibly-colliding-with objects close enough for even a viper spinning out at 60mph to hit (which I did see a Viper spinning out at 60mph constantly), so in that case it really depends on that specific auto-x location.
| Rebellion | 03-12-2002 08:35 AM |
Re: tell my parents about autoX
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by imprezive [/i]
[B]"I've been doin autoX for 50 years and I never seen anyone so much as need a baind-aid"
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
i needed a band aid last autox cuz I'm a dumbass and cut myself with a razor blade while cutting tape up for numbers. :)
[B]"I've been doin autoX for 50 years and I never seen anyone so much as need a baind-aid"
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
i needed a band aid last autox cuz I'm a dumbass and cut myself with a razor blade while cutting tape up for numbers. :)
| AWMIII | 03-12-2002 08:42 AM |
"For someone who has NEVER done anything like it before, they most assuradly WILL NOT go fast enough in the course to cause anything other than slightly increased tire wear. Ive ridden in cars on auto-x courses with experience drivers, and I can no where near duplicate that amount of pushing of my car when I will try and do it my first time out... "
Frequently, I have seen newbies drive like morons and get completely out of control. The vast majority of them do not, but many do. When you go to many many autocrosses, you see stuff happen. It is amazing how far a car can slide when it starts skidding. I have never seen a lot that did not have any obsticles at all. I have never run at an airport though. Cars do roll sometimes on the street or on course. Unless you drive like my grandmother, there is always a increased level of wear and risk of accident when autocrossing. If you can afford the risk then I say go for it. I just want people to be clear about the risks involved.
Frequently, I have seen newbies drive like morons and get completely out of control. The vast majority of them do not, but many do. When you go to many many autocrosses, you see stuff happen. It is amazing how far a car can slide when it starts skidding. I have never seen a lot that did not have any obsticles at all. I have never run at an airport though. Cars do roll sometimes on the street or on course. Unless you drive like my grandmother, there is always a increased level of wear and risk of accident when autocrossing. If you can afford the risk then I say go for it. I just want people to be clear about the risks involved.
| Kostamojen | 03-13-2002 03:03 AM |
Point is, that even if you participate at an Autocross, you dont HAVE to take that risk when driving the track.
| Gary (gg) | 03-13-2002 11:22 PM |
Basically, to do well at an autox reinforces basic driving fundamentals.
1. Look ahead.
2. Two hands on the steering wheel. Hands do not cross an imaginary line bisecting the steering wheel vertically.
3. Brake before the turn.
4. Feed the gas pedal coming out of a turn to the point of mashing it as the steering wheel is pointing the tires straight.
5. Do not turn the wheel with an underhand grip.
Also, the limits of both car and driver are learned in a safe environment versus doing this on the street and with poor driving fundamentals.
1. Look ahead.
2. Two hands on the steering wheel. Hands do not cross an imaginary line bisecting the steering wheel vertically.
3. Brake before the turn.
4. Feed the gas pedal coming out of a turn to the point of mashing it as the steering wheel is pointing the tires straight.
5. Do not turn the wheel with an underhand grip.
Also, the limits of both car and driver are learned in a safe environment versus doing this on the street and with poor driving fundamentals.
| Midwayman | 03-14-2002 06:30 PM |
Autocross is a safe sport relatively speaking. Heck, I bet more people get injured playing tennis per capita. Like others have said, its a little extra wear and tear on the car, though not a whole lot more than hard street driving. What it will do is make you a better driver by forcing you to learn whay your car can and cannot do. Driver education is probably the best investment in safety you can make.
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