| supernootz | 02-23-2007 08:47 PM |
Wagon rear spoiler installation
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The more I look at rear spoilers, the more I wish I would have had one put on my 2007 OBS.
I really should have the dealer install one, but it's a MAJOR PITA to bring it in, so of course I'm thinking of buying one online and putting it on myself.
I'm only mildly handy. Would I totally **** this up and ruin the car? Will I be sorry I tried to do it? Or is it pretty straight forward?
I must admit, I found instructions online and it's not looking too good. The instructions seem to be a little unclear.
I'd like to hear from people who have done this themselves. Thanks.
I really should have the dealer install one, but it's a MAJOR PITA to bring it in, so of course I'm thinking of buying one online and putting it on myself.
I'm only mildly handy. Would I totally **** this up and ruin the car? Will I be sorry I tried to do it? Or is it pretty straight forward?
I must admit, I found instructions online and it's not looking too good. The instructions seem to be a little unclear.
I'd like to hear from people who have done this themselves. Thanks.
| supernootz | 02-23-2007 09:53 PM |
Here's the instructions I found online:
[URL]http://http://www.subaruparts.com/guides/2002MY_Impreza_Wagon_Spoiler.pdf[/URL]
In particular, I have a very hard time visualizing what is going on in step 4. If I had the actual parts, would it be apparent what to do?
[URL]http://http://www.subaruparts.com/guides/2002MY_Impreza_Wagon_Spoiler.pdf[/URL]
In particular, I have a very hard time visualizing what is going on in step 4. If I had the actual parts, would it be apparent what to do?
| supernootz | 02-25-2007 10:06 AM |
Comeon... there has to be SOMEBODY out there...
| BlkTS02 | 02-25-2007 03:28 PM |
From looking over the pdf file it's pretty straight forward. You use the templates to mark the location for where you're going to drill the holes in the hatch.
Once you've got the locations marked, you start with a small drill bit and gradually increase the size of the hole until you're at the correct size. But before you drill you're instructed to remove the wiring and tubing for the rear washer assy.
When you've got the holes drilled you install the fasteners (similiar to drywall anchors) and bolt everything up, making sure that the holes are properly waterproofed.
If you're handy with tools and really trust yourself, go for it. But if you're even a bit skeptical , bring it to the dealer or a bodyshop and have them do the work for you.
Once you've got the locations marked, you start with a small drill bit and gradually increase the size of the hole until you're at the correct size. But before you drill you're instructed to remove the wiring and tubing for the rear washer assy.
When you've got the holes drilled you install the fasteners (similiar to drywall anchors) and bolt everything up, making sure that the holes are properly waterproofed.
If you're handy with tools and really trust yourself, go for it. But if you're even a bit skeptical , bring it to the dealer or a bodyshop and have them do the work for you.
| ScoobyBoy | 02-25-2007 03:35 PM |
a friend of mine just recently installed the waist spoiler on his wagon. aside from the drilling, it's pretty straight forward.
| blue-ej20 | 02-25-2007 05:50 PM |
Pretty straight forward.. I mounted one on without using a template and its on straight and leveled. But then again i've had expereince molding and mounting body panels. Just take your time. If you have a template, even better. Once you make that first hole, its smooth sailing from there. The first cut/drill is always the hardest. Remember, measure twice (or even 10 times) cut once.
| supernootz | 02-26-2007 06:55 PM |
Thanks guys. So the attachements are "drywall anchor type?" That means there are no nuts on the underside?
| blue-ej20 | 02-26-2007 07:39 PM |
[QUOTE=supernootz;17187190]Thanks guys. So the attachements are "drywall anchor type?" That means there are no nuts on the underside?[/QUOTE]
No. There are some plugs that are an anchor type but there are about 5 or 6 others that are nut and bolt type.The nut an bolt type slide into the spoiler and the anchor clips prevent the spoiler from shifting. However, I would just jb weld the metal screw onto the spoiler for a permanant bond.
No. There are some plugs that are an anchor type but there are about 5 or 6 others that are nut and bolt type.The nut an bolt type slide into the spoiler and the anchor clips prevent the spoiler from shifting. However, I would just jb weld the metal screw onto the spoiler for a permanant bond.
| supernootz | 02-28-2007 02:17 PM |
Well, after getting a quote of $321 + 2 hours labor @$85/hr plus tax, I'vd decided to give it a go myself.
$264 from Subaruparts.com
Now, I'll need to be getting myself a drill bit stop (to prevent over drilling). As far as the bits and hole saw bit, do they need to be special metal bits or would regular ones for wood do? The instructions do not state. Specifically, I'm referring to the hole saw because I already have regular metal drill bits but the hole saw I will have to buy.
And any other tips would still be helpful!
$264 from Subaruparts.com
Now, I'll need to be getting myself a drill bit stop (to prevent over drilling). As far as the bits and hole saw bit, do they need to be special metal bits or would regular ones for wood do? The instructions do not state. Specifically, I'm referring to the hole saw because I already have regular metal drill bits but the hole saw I will have to buy.
And any other tips would still be helpful!
| supernootz | 03-12-2007 09:08 PM |
Well the spoiler came today. Why am I not surprised that it is a ten dollar piece of plastic?
I still have to procure a couple tools to do the job, namely the 23/64 drill bit and 15mm hole saw. Also a rivnut tool. I can see now that they must be precisely the right size.
Assuming I can get the tools tomorrow, wednesday will be D-Day (I should be alone for the better part of the day) so PRAY FOR ME! I don't want to screw this up!!!
P.S. I'll post pics of the car when it's done. She should look like a beaut!
I still have to procure a couple tools to do the job, namely the 23/64 drill bit and 15mm hole saw. Also a rivnut tool. I can see now that they must be precisely the right size.
Assuming I can get the tools tomorrow, wednesday will be D-Day (I should be alone for the better part of the day) so PRAY FOR ME! I don't want to screw this up!!!
P.S. I'll post pics of the car when it's done. She should look like a beaut!
| supernootz | 03-12-2007 09:12 PM |
nevermind this post sorry
| BlkTS02 | 03-12-2007 10:11 PM |
Get someone to help you position the spoiler, then make some reference marks before drilling.
| supernootz | 03-12-2007 10:24 PM |
[quote=BlkTS02;17332517]Get someone to help you position the spoiler, then make some reference marks before drilling.[/quote]
It comes with templates to attach to the car and then you mark them.
I doubt I'll have anyone to give me a hand, unfortunately.
It comes with templates to attach to the car and then you mark them.
I doubt I'll have anyone to give me a hand, unfortunately.
| supernootz | 03-13-2007 11:03 AM |
UPDATE:
Nobody has the tools I need. A hole saw that small or a rivet nut tool. I tried everywhere including a specialty tools store.
I am pretty pissed at Subaruparts.com because their online instructions are outdated and make no mention of needing a rivet nut installation tool. The instructions that came with the spoiler are different (only in that respect that they mention the tool is needed).
Now I'm stuck with a spoiler I can't put on. ****ing penny wise dollar foolish I am and I'm pissed at myself. I should have just had the dealer do it. Now, how can I go to a dealer with my tail between my legs and say "please put on a spoiler I bought from someone else." I feel like a chump.
Nobody has the tools I need. A hole saw that small or a rivet nut tool. I tried everywhere including a specialty tools store.
I am pretty pissed at Subaruparts.com because their online instructions are outdated and make no mention of needing a rivet nut installation tool. The instructions that came with the spoiler are different (only in that respect that they mention the tool is needed).
Now I'm stuck with a spoiler I can't put on. ****ing penny wise dollar foolish I am and I'm pissed at myself. I should have just had the dealer do it. Now, how can I go to a dealer with my tail between my legs and say "please put on a spoiler I bought from someone else." I feel like a chump.
| BlkTS02 | 03-13-2007 12:28 PM |
There's no shame in trying.
Why not order the required tools and do the job next weekend?
Why not order the required tools and do the job next weekend?
| supernootz | 03-13-2007 02:05 PM |
[quote=BlkTS02;17338592]There's no shame in trying.
Why not order the required tools and do the job next weekend?[/quote]
I wish I could find them! I located a couple of riv nut tools on eBay but it's not clear if they work with M6 size (what size is that anyway?) They all list sizes as fractions of an inch. Is M6 Metric? If so, metric what?
And a 15mm hole saw is IMPOSSIBLE to find anywhere. 19mm seems to be the smallest available. :(
Why not order the required tools and do the job next weekend?[/quote]
I wish I could find them! I located a couple of riv nut tools on eBay but it's not clear if they work with M6 size (what size is that anyway?) They all list sizes as fractions of an inch. Is M6 Metric? If so, metric what?
And a 15mm hole saw is IMPOSSIBLE to find anywhere. 19mm seems to be the smallest available. :(
| Rippen Griffen | 03-13-2007 02:19 PM |
Are you going to take some pics? I would love to see how this is done!!! The STi wagon mid spoiler and top spoiler would look great on any wagon.
| jproland | 03-13-2007 03:40 PM |
As far as drilling goes, I have worked in the parts dept. for a Toyota dealer, and a Honda dealer and all the techs use step drill bits to install all spoilers. I am no expert but maybe these would work for you.
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| captain spaulding | 03-13-2007 03:52 PM |
If you have a red hatch I'd be willing to swap my spoiler hatch for your non-spoiler hatch..
| supernootz | 03-13-2007 03:59 PM |
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I saw that at Home depot. I wasn't sure if one of those was the exact size or not. They're very expensive, about 30-40 dollars and up depending on size.
I might go for one as a last resort. Thanks for letting me know what the pro's use. It makes me feel a lot better about trying with one.
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I saw that at Home depot. I wasn't sure if one of those was the exact size or not. They're very expensive, about 30-40 dollars and up depending on size.
I might go for one as a last resort. Thanks for letting me know what the pro's use. It makes me feel a lot better about trying with one.
| supernootz | 03-13-2007 04:00 PM |
[quote=captain spaulding;17341355]If you have a red hatch I'd be willing to swap my spoiler hatch for your non-spoiler hatch..[/quote]
Black.
Black.
| supernootz | 03-14-2007 09:58 PM |
I looked at the unibits. None of them have the exact size needed (19/32") and furthermore, I think it would be dangerous to use them as far as the depth possible cutting into the inside panel.
I'm really bummed about this. I can't find a 15mm hole saw ANYWHERE. I might have someone that could lend me a riv nut installation tool but I don't know if it has the right size bit (nobody seems to know WTF M6 is).
I'm really bummed about this. I can't find a 15mm hole saw ANYWHERE. I might have someone that could lend me a riv nut installation tool but I don't know if it has the right size bit (nobody seems to know WTF M6 is).
| BlkTS02 | 03-15-2007 12:34 AM |
M6 is the diameter of the bolt. m is for metric, 6 is the measurement in millimeters.
I'll see if I can help you to find the proper sized hole saw.
I'll see if I can help you to find the proper sized hole saw.
| BlkTS02 | 03-15-2007 12:37 AM |
14 and 16mm here:
[url]http://www.mkmorse.com/mc1.html[/url]
19/32 here:
[url]http://www.et-eurotrade.nl/detail-pages/Ae/Hole-Saw-Coarse.html[/url]
MM-301E-4X 19/32"
Wait a minute, you can get a regular drill bit in 15mm or 19/32, can you use that in place of the hole saw?
[url]http://www.mkmorse.com/mc1.html[/url]
19/32 here:
[url]http://www.et-eurotrade.nl/detail-pages/Ae/Hole-Saw-Coarse.html[/url]
MM-301E-4X 19/32"
Wait a minute, you can get a regular drill bit in 15mm or 19/32, can you use that in place of the hole saw?
| supernootz | 03-15-2007 04:36 PM |
[quote=BlkTS02;17360276]Wait a minute, you can get a regular drill bit in 15mm or 19/32, can you use that in place of the hole saw?[/quote]
I don't think you're supposed to... something about messing the metal up around the hole you're trying to make. But I might have to, only problem is I haven't found that size in a drill bit either!
I don't think you're supposed to... something about messing the metal up around the hole you're trying to make. But I might have to, only problem is I haven't found that size in a drill bit either!
| 04-05BodyLover | 03-22-2007 02:12 PM |
Not trying to be a jerk here, but the difficulty that you've had in getting the necessary tools etc. for the job has really made me decide to go with the dealership. I was going to try and see how much it is for a self install, but my girlfriend got an 07 Impreza Wagon last weekend and I was going to surprise her with a spoiler (she wanted one originally, but decided against it after it was said and done). Sorry to hear of your troubles, but from one do-it-yourselfer to another, there's no shame in admitting defeat and doing it the right way through a pro - at least you saved some money on the spoiler itself, right?
| supernootz | 03-22-2007 02:34 PM |
[quote=04-05BodyLover;17447937]Not trying to be a jerk here, but the difficulty that you've had in getting the necessary tools etc. for the job has really made me decide to go with the dealership. I was going to try and see how much it is for a self install, but my girlfriend got an 07 Impreza Wagon last weekend and I was going to surprise her with a spoiler (she wanted one originally, but decided against it after it was said and done). Sorry to hear of your troubles, but from one do-it-yourselfer to another, there's no shame in admitting defeat and doing it the right way through a pro - at least you saved some money on the spoiler itself, right?[/quote]
Yep, better to figure it out now that I can't do it before I drill some holes in my car! I brought it to an autobody shop in my town and they did the install for $150 cash.
All said and done I did save a few dollars.
If I would have had it installed by the dealer it would have been:
$321 + 2 hrs @ $85 plus tax. Total: $531
My cost:
Approx $300 for the spoiler with shipping (no tax) plus $150 for the install (cash - no tax) = $450.
I'm happy, it came out good. And I learned my lesson. Glad my original misfortune helped someone else out, too!
Yep, better to figure it out now that I can't do it before I drill some holes in my car! I brought it to an autobody shop in my town and they did the install for $150 cash.
All said and done I did save a few dollars.
If I would have had it installed by the dealer it would have been:
$321 + 2 hrs @ $85 plus tax. Total: $531
My cost:
Approx $300 for the spoiler with shipping (no tax) plus $150 for the install (cash - no tax) = $450.
I'm happy, it came out good. And I learned my lesson. Glad my original misfortune helped someone else out, too!
| wulsen | 03-23-2008 10:38 PM |
can't u just dremel the hole? or hand file it? it's a freakin hole. i will install my spoiler in a couple week and we will see how it goes. as for the rivet tool, i'm just going to use epoxy or locktate industrial strength glue to hold it into place. rivet isn't that strong. i got my spoiler for $100 it's new but wrong color so i have to repaint it. I read some where a hole saw is needed because of electrical wiring, but since we are poor, use file to hand file isn't out of the question just more time consuming.
| Spazman | 03-24-2008 12:15 PM |
I was going to do it myself too but after looking into buy all the parts and thinking how many times I would use them I went to a local body shop, they said $50/hr and I ended up paying $90 after taxes. Of course I also decided to do that becuase it was at the shop anyway because of an old lady backing into my front fender!
So I'd say just go to a body shop, not subaru ($90/hr labor here). Then if something gets messed up, it's not on you either, they'll have to fix it or replace it!
So I'd say just go to a body shop, not subaru ($90/hr labor here). Then if something gets messed up, it's not on you either, they'll have to fix it or replace it!
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