| Scoobie Newbie | 11-14-2001 01:41 PM |
Why so few women in racing
If women are lighter and have better hand/eye coordination why not more women racing.
| Impreza Rider | 11-14-2001 01:44 PM |
The majority of the women out there don't like playing with cars, aren't very competitve, and see cars as a mode ot get from point A to point B.
That's my take anyway.
Sorry if I offended any ladies out there.
That's my take anyway.
Sorry if I offended any ladies out there.
| STiShawn | 11-14-2001 01:52 PM |
the few that do race kick ass...Michele Moulton for example! The only women to EVER win a WRC event.
I need to find a racing girl.....perfect girlfriend for me...
I need to find a racing girl.....perfect girlfriend for me...
| TBreu007 | 11-14-2001 01:53 PM |
Lack of testosterone.
| wistful | 11-14-2001 02:05 PM |
This i have not understood as well. Look at Auto-xing for example. Why do women have their own class? AND why are the times in the womens' class slower than the men's, even when driving the same car?
Don
Don
| grandmasterchan | 11-14-2001 03:05 PM |
Lisa Kubo is a prime example.
| Subie Gal | 11-14-2001 03:23 PM |
*yawn* u guys done yet??
how come there arent more men staying home and raising children???
how come there arent more male florists??
hmmm...
give me a break...
not every woman wants to play with cars every day
not many women are competitive
and not many women want to come into a male dominated world and put up w/the crap, the remarks, the judgment and [b]pre judging[/b] of a woman involved in motorsports...
it takes guts to put up w/some of the crap these women put up with!
and i have NOTHING but respect and admiration for them...
i hope to BE one of the ones that kicks your arse one day!
and man am i glad there arent many women in racing...
makes those that are all the more special!
u go girls!!!
jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
how come there arent more men staying home and raising children???
how come there arent more male florists??
hmmm...
give me a break...
not every woman wants to play with cars every day
not many women are competitive
and not many women want to come into a male dominated world and put up w/the crap, the remarks, the judgment and [b]pre judging[/b] of a woman involved in motorsports...
it takes guts to put up w/some of the crap these women put up with!
and i have NOTHING but respect and admiration for them...
i hope to BE one of the ones that kicks your arse one day!
and man am i glad there arent many women in racing...
makes those that are all the more special!
u go girls!!!
jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2001 03:29 PM |
Our culture has always taught women to be quiet and less agressive than men. When women are aggressive or pushy they're seen as a bitch while aggressive men are seen as being ambitious.
Whenever a woman succeeds at something that is male dominated there is always a backlash of jealous men who are sexist thugs that feel threatened by women.
There was thread in the SoCal forum where a guy was beaten by a girl in a Honda and half the guys who responded were laughing not because he was beaten by a Honda, but because he was beaten by a girl!
Most women don't want to deal with that kind of BS from men. Luckily we have women like Jamie Thomas, Paula Gibeault and Chrissy Beavis who compete regardless.
Whenever a woman succeeds at something that is male dominated there is always a backlash of jealous men who are sexist thugs that feel threatened by women.
There was thread in the SoCal forum where a guy was beaten by a girl in a Honda and half the guys who responded were laughing not because he was beaten by a Honda, but because he was beaten by a girl!
Most women don't want to deal with that kind of BS from men. Luckily we have women like Jamie Thomas, Paula Gibeault and Chrissy Beavis who compete regardless.
| HndaTch627 | 11-14-2001 03:41 PM |
woderful you guys made jamie mad....shame on you...hehe
Women racers rock...and shawn if you find one make sure she's got a sister for me ;)
Jeremy
Women racers rock...and shawn if you find one make sure she's got a sister for me ;)
Jeremy
| Thug | 11-14-2001 03:52 PM |
One of my ex's used to auto-x her 944 but she is now selling that so she can race her Kawasaki ZX9-R. Cool girl that Im still friends with, we just werent compatible as a couple. It was rad to see her, or any girl for that matter, racing.
| SCRAPPYDO | 11-14-2001 03:54 PM |
It all has to do with background, history, and availability of support. Not necessarily in that order.
First their are many components to racing. Their is a mental ascpect that requires very strong nerves, and a fearless will. It required in-depth concentration and attention to every detail of whats going on around you. Women are more than capable of putting up with all of that just fine the way I see it.
The second part is pure physical strength. Anybody who has driven a go-kart for a few hot laps know what its like to have your arms turn to jelly after 15 laps or so of pushing for all your worth. The extreme heat in a car can fatigue a driver as can the endless bouncing and jarring. For these aspects a mans natural physical strengths would seem to give him the upper hand. Does this mean that a woman cant perform in a race car. By all means it does NOT mean that. I am just saying that it would tend to give guys less to worry about. If a lady was in prime physical condition, I do belive the fatigue factor can be minimalized, not so much as a male driver, but the difference could be made up in skill.
Now for the real social predicament that ladies are in. Whether we like it or not, men and women are not treated equally. And before anybody lables me as some kind of feminist, (belive me I am not) I want to say that some simple truths cant be denyed. I think if a man and a woman do the same job, they should be paid the same. The sad fact of the matter is that aint true. But I wont get into that because its a totally different matter that does not belong in I-club.
What I will get into is the time line of a great race car driver and what it takes to make it to say F1, CART, or WRC.
Typical F1 driver's history.
Daddy buys jr. a go kart and gets him driving it when he is still a fetus. Upon the age of 2 he has his first track built in his back yard and is racing 35 HP shifter karts around. At the age of 5 he has won trophys and has been mentored by his father and is then sent to a driving school or two. You can see where this is going....
The same just does not happen for little girls. They are usually type-cast into the dolly world and makeup, betty crocker crap that all little girls get growing up. They are pushed subconciously toward being a teacher, nurse, etc. Nobody does this on purpose, but its done. I have seen it. I work in an building with over 120 engineers. 19 of which are women. Its a feild that is male dominated simply becasue of up bringing. While little boys are playing with legos, and constructions sets, little girls are strapped down with malibu barbie junk. Little girls are more suseptible to peer pressure than boys are. The mold for little girls is far tighter and more defined than boys. So if a little girl is dead set on racing, then she will usually have to fight off all that upbringing crap, and social pressure only to get a much later start at racing than her male counterpart did. And lets face it. Experience is what makes a winning driver. Natural ability will get you in the car, experience lets you finish the race.
So, if little jane wants to race she has to compete with boys with perhaps double the experience, and thus double the backing and double the support from people around them. Jane has to find a sponser that will be willing to bet on her having less experience and less support than every other driver in the paddock. Not easy! If you look at most of the female drivers in the professional ranks, MOST got their start because they had some very stong private finacial backing (husband, parents) that could support them though dry years while the scambled to get experience hoping to make a name for themselves. All the while their family and friends are constantly telling her to settle down, find some nice man and raise a family! IT aint easy. I cant say I understand the pressures of it, because, hey I am a guy, but I can definitely see the reasons behind it.
I hope that clarifies what I belive, SubieGal, may or may not agree, and thats fine. But I think she understands what I am saying, and I think that she has known I have been around her long enough for her to know I meant no disrespect!
Take care all
SCRAPPYDO
stephen
First their are many components to racing. Their is a mental ascpect that requires very strong nerves, and a fearless will. It required in-depth concentration and attention to every detail of whats going on around you. Women are more than capable of putting up with all of that just fine the way I see it.
The second part is pure physical strength. Anybody who has driven a go-kart for a few hot laps know what its like to have your arms turn to jelly after 15 laps or so of pushing for all your worth. The extreme heat in a car can fatigue a driver as can the endless bouncing and jarring. For these aspects a mans natural physical strengths would seem to give him the upper hand. Does this mean that a woman cant perform in a race car. By all means it does NOT mean that. I am just saying that it would tend to give guys less to worry about. If a lady was in prime physical condition, I do belive the fatigue factor can be minimalized, not so much as a male driver, but the difference could be made up in skill.
Now for the real social predicament that ladies are in. Whether we like it or not, men and women are not treated equally. And before anybody lables me as some kind of feminist, (belive me I am not) I want to say that some simple truths cant be denyed. I think if a man and a woman do the same job, they should be paid the same. The sad fact of the matter is that aint true. But I wont get into that because its a totally different matter that does not belong in I-club.
What I will get into is the time line of a great race car driver and what it takes to make it to say F1, CART, or WRC.
Typical F1 driver's history.
Daddy buys jr. a go kart and gets him driving it when he is still a fetus. Upon the age of 2 he has his first track built in his back yard and is racing 35 HP shifter karts around. At the age of 5 he has won trophys and has been mentored by his father and is then sent to a driving school or two. You can see where this is going....
The same just does not happen for little girls. They are usually type-cast into the dolly world and makeup, betty crocker crap that all little girls get growing up. They are pushed subconciously toward being a teacher, nurse, etc. Nobody does this on purpose, but its done. I have seen it. I work in an building with over 120 engineers. 19 of which are women. Its a feild that is male dominated simply becasue of up bringing. While little boys are playing with legos, and constructions sets, little girls are strapped down with malibu barbie junk. Little girls are more suseptible to peer pressure than boys are. The mold for little girls is far tighter and more defined than boys. So if a little girl is dead set on racing, then she will usually have to fight off all that upbringing crap, and social pressure only to get a much later start at racing than her male counterpart did. And lets face it. Experience is what makes a winning driver. Natural ability will get you in the car, experience lets you finish the race.
So, if little jane wants to race she has to compete with boys with perhaps double the experience, and thus double the backing and double the support from people around them. Jane has to find a sponser that will be willing to bet on her having less experience and less support than every other driver in the paddock. Not easy! If you look at most of the female drivers in the professional ranks, MOST got their start because they had some very stong private finacial backing (husband, parents) that could support them though dry years while the scambled to get experience hoping to make a name for themselves. All the while their family and friends are constantly telling her to settle down, find some nice man and raise a family! IT aint easy. I cant say I understand the pressures of it, because, hey I am a guy, but I can definitely see the reasons behind it.
I hope that clarifies what I belive, SubieGal, may or may not agree, and thats fine. But I think she understands what I am saying, and I think that she has known I have been around her long enough for her to know I meant no disrespect!
Take care all
SCRAPPYDO
stephen
| DammitBevis | 11-14-2001 03:57 PM |
I'm gonna vote for the lack of competitiveness (sp?) combined with they way they were raised. My wife is a perfect example. She picks up on this stuff pretty quickly, but tends to underestimate herself, and then when she hits a setback, doesn't have the drive to keep going like I seem to. When I hit a setback, I'm thinking Dammit, this problem WILL NOT beat me, and I'll keep hammering on it come hell or high water (she calls this being obsessive). But when she hits a setback of the same sort, she's perfectly comfortable accepting that she's "not good enough", or "not cut out for this", and goes to find something else to do. I'm working on changing her attitude, since this is a real achievement limiter, but it's been a lot of hard work so far. It's even harder to do when you can't use the drill seargant attitude to PROVE to someone that they CAN do something. The second part of my theory is upbringing. For example, my wife was raised in a house where "powertools are dangerous". This has totally killed her confidence and willingness to use them. It's not that she's incapable of driving a screw with a power drill. You could hand the same apparatus to a 6 year old, and everything in the house would be filled with screws in it in no time. But for some reason she reguards the drill like it was some sort of rabid animal, and has to double check with me that she's using it right, duh (and I mean 'duh' in the nicest possible way honey :) ). I will always hold the opinion that she's capable of doing anything that I can do. But the problem is proving it to HER.
-And this concludes my entry in the battle of the sexes thread.-
-And this concludes my entry in the battle of the sexes thread.-
| DammitBevis | 11-14-2001 04:01 PM |
BTW, she did drag race an Eclipse the other night. Surprised me! Sitting at a stoplight, and mid-sentence the sudden launch shoved me into the seat.
Hehe, I'll teach that girl yet.
Hehe, I'll teach that girl yet.
| johnfelstead | 11-14-2001 04:02 PM |
Well people, This is a picture of the winning rostrum at the Nurburgring 24 hour race in 1996. The lady in the middle with the Bilstein overalls is Sabine Reck. Sabine Won this race (in the guiness book of records as the most competitive race in the world) in 1996 and 1997.
Sabine now also drives the famous ring taxi around the nurburgring and you are meeting her in Nurburg on Saturday Jamie so you can get her first hand opinions and experience of making it in motorsport!
Gonna be fun j. :D
[IMG]http://www.24h-rennen.de/images/historie/1996/24h-1996-09.jpg[/IMG]
Sabine now also drives the famous ring taxi around the nurburgring and you are meeting her in Nurburg on Saturday Jamie so you can get her first hand opinions and experience of making it in motorsport!
Gonna be fun j. :D
[IMG]http://www.24h-rennen.de/images/historie/1996/24h-1996-09.jpg[/IMG]
| STiShawn | 11-14-2001 04:45 PM |
We have a VERY competative woman here in SOLO 2, she has won the nationals a couple times if I recal. Tamara McDaniels races a formula ford and regularly hands men their asses....You've seen here in Sports Car if you're an SCCA member. She is real cool and boy can she drive. She also races a formula continental in SCCA road racing....
Woman can race as well as men, if not better. It comes down to how determined they are, and how bad they want it. Same is true for any sex at anything......
The two women Drivers I have never understood are Sarah Fisher and Lynne St.James, when ever they race together, they crash into one another...now thats a competative attitude for you.
Woman can race as well as men, if not better. It comes down to how determined they are, and how bad they want it. Same is true for any sex at anything......
The two women Drivers I have never understood are Sarah Fisher and Lynne St.James, when ever they race together, they crash into one another...now thats a competative attitude for you.
| PURE EPI | 11-14-2001 05:00 PM |
I love women....... drivers:D
Seriously though. I think Natalie Barratt is doing well and a real looker to boot!!
Too bad she drives for Mitsubishi!!!:lol:
Seriously though. I think Natalie Barratt is doing well and a real looker to boot!!
Too bad she drives for Mitsubishi!!!:lol:
| johnfelstead | 11-14-2001 05:41 PM |
Natalie lives about 10 miles away from me.
She is doing pretty well for herself. Natalie is dislexic and doent know her left from right, quite a disadvantage in a rally car when being given notes from a co-driver.
From what i have seen Jamie is better that Natalie by a long way.
She is doing pretty well for herself. Natalie is dislexic and doent know her left from right, quite a disadvantage in a rally car when being given notes from a co-driver.
From what i have seen Jamie is better that Natalie by a long way.
| Vertically_Challenged | 11-14-2001 09:37 PM |
Let's see, where to begin (warning, this will be long)...
I am the youngest of 3 kids in the rural midwest. My brother is 9 years older and my sister is 4 years older; this would make me the really bratty kid sister I suppose.:D I was/am a tomboy who played softball (catcher/outfielder), enjoyed the outdoors, and generally wasn't a 'hairspray girl' (term a few of us from highschool coined; no offense to anyone who is or likes that type). Once junior high rolled around I began to become a little less tom-boyish, but deep down I still was the same person, I just wore makeup and tried to avoid wearing the most stained up thing I owned to shcool. Being 'into cars' wasn't appreciated by either sex in my highschool (although I have to admit, the longest crush I've ever had bought an RX-7 our senior year), and there was only one girl who took shop class in over 5 years. (The one who did rebuilt her own '68 Camaro SS and routinely kicked the guys' butts who tried to race her with their brand new sports cars). I guess this was the whole peer pressure thing.
As for upbringing, I would have to say that it does make a big difference. While I was a tomboy, it seemed like my mom and dad were trying to raise me on opposite ends of the spectrum. I was always around when dad and my brother were working on the cars and stuff. I always made a habit of observing but never really got to do if myself. Upon meeting my husband I could do the following: check the oil, add oil, check tire pressure, put air in tires, tell if the brakes were down to the squeakers/rotors by 'pedal feel', tell if the thermostat was stuck open/closed, and add windshield washer (hehe, I know that's the most important thing that there possibly could be.:lol: ) In theory I could change the oil and a tire also. What do I know how to do now? Probally not much else, but I have somewhat gotten over the fear of doing stuff. I wanted to learn to do some stuff, so my husband agreed to let me change the intake manifold on one of our cars. My biggest problem was physical limitations/strength. Being really short (SG has a 1/2" or so on me) makes it hard to reach some components, and even putting my body weight behind the tools didn't always work (thank goodness for the mechanical advantage of levers). I finally got most of the intake manifold apart and was doing really good (for my first time) until my husband had me help him lift a 300lb of cast iron. He smashed my fingers and I reacted in what I consider to be a normal manner...I screamed bloody murder (at 10:30 at night). This really freaked my husband out to the point of him stopping working on the car for the evening. He tried explaining to me that screaming is reserved for the times that a limb is missing, the event of rape, or other similar situations. I got mad and quit helping him on that particular project. We really haven't had the oppertunity to do much work on the vehicles together since.:(
When I was a junior in highschool I decided that I wanted to pursue going to the Air Force Academy; mom was balling because her little girl wanted to 'run off and join the AF' and dad thought that it would be good for me and 'teach me discipline.' I did do ROTC and loved it, but mom still thought I should just concentrate on school and get a nice little job. If things pan out, I'll be an officer in 3 years or so (sorry mom).
As for the competition, I like winning as much as the next person. But I'm not going to try and crush people the way that a lot of males seem to want to. Now, if there's some chick that thinks she's better than me because of the way she looks, who her parents are, etc, watch out. I can make really to-the-point comments (and sometimes I do this just to watch them get mad and throw fits so I can have some entertainment). This was the first year that I was around autocross at all and I only competed once. The first time I was on course I thought I was going to kill someone or total the car. By my last run I was loosening up a lot and running a lot harder. Yeah, I wish my times had been better, but the point is that I got over my nerves and got my butt out on the track. What did my mom say previous to this? "You're going to kill yourself. Why don't you just go to support your husband?" Dad thought it would be cool but still seemed to think I would kill someone.:rolleyes:
I guess it just boils down to whether or not a girl thinks it's cool to hang out with guys and put up with their BS.
BTW, DammitBevis is my husband. And the only street 'racing' I did was the Eclipse. I'm sorry, but I gave him every chance in the world. He started it (revved at me), I thought hard about racing him, gave him a carlength off the line, slipped the clutch at a whopping 2k rpm, calmly accelerated, shifted into 2nd like normal, and handed him his arse. To make it better he had his g/f in the car and he got beat by a girl 'in some riced out civic' (no one around here has an RS or WRX, no one seems to have a clue as to what the rex is ;) ). He did a flyby and I completely ignored him, hehe.
I am the youngest of 3 kids in the rural midwest. My brother is 9 years older and my sister is 4 years older; this would make me the really bratty kid sister I suppose.:D I was/am a tomboy who played softball (catcher/outfielder), enjoyed the outdoors, and generally wasn't a 'hairspray girl' (term a few of us from highschool coined; no offense to anyone who is or likes that type). Once junior high rolled around I began to become a little less tom-boyish, but deep down I still was the same person, I just wore makeup and tried to avoid wearing the most stained up thing I owned to shcool. Being 'into cars' wasn't appreciated by either sex in my highschool (although I have to admit, the longest crush I've ever had bought an RX-7 our senior year), and there was only one girl who took shop class in over 5 years. (The one who did rebuilt her own '68 Camaro SS and routinely kicked the guys' butts who tried to race her with their brand new sports cars). I guess this was the whole peer pressure thing.
As for upbringing, I would have to say that it does make a big difference. While I was a tomboy, it seemed like my mom and dad were trying to raise me on opposite ends of the spectrum. I was always around when dad and my brother were working on the cars and stuff. I always made a habit of observing but never really got to do if myself. Upon meeting my husband I could do the following: check the oil, add oil, check tire pressure, put air in tires, tell if the brakes were down to the squeakers/rotors by 'pedal feel', tell if the thermostat was stuck open/closed, and add windshield washer (hehe, I know that's the most important thing that there possibly could be.:lol: ) In theory I could change the oil and a tire also. What do I know how to do now? Probally not much else, but I have somewhat gotten over the fear of doing stuff. I wanted to learn to do some stuff, so my husband agreed to let me change the intake manifold on one of our cars. My biggest problem was physical limitations/strength. Being really short (SG has a 1/2" or so on me) makes it hard to reach some components, and even putting my body weight behind the tools didn't always work (thank goodness for the mechanical advantage of levers). I finally got most of the intake manifold apart and was doing really good (for my first time) until my husband had me help him lift a 300lb of cast iron. He smashed my fingers and I reacted in what I consider to be a normal manner...I screamed bloody murder (at 10:30 at night). This really freaked my husband out to the point of him stopping working on the car for the evening. He tried explaining to me that screaming is reserved for the times that a limb is missing, the event of rape, or other similar situations. I got mad and quit helping him on that particular project. We really haven't had the oppertunity to do much work on the vehicles together since.:(
When I was a junior in highschool I decided that I wanted to pursue going to the Air Force Academy; mom was balling because her little girl wanted to 'run off and join the AF' and dad thought that it would be good for me and 'teach me discipline.' I did do ROTC and loved it, but mom still thought I should just concentrate on school and get a nice little job. If things pan out, I'll be an officer in 3 years or so (sorry mom).
As for the competition, I like winning as much as the next person. But I'm not going to try and crush people the way that a lot of males seem to want to. Now, if there's some chick that thinks she's better than me because of the way she looks, who her parents are, etc, watch out. I can make really to-the-point comments (and sometimes I do this just to watch them get mad and throw fits so I can have some entertainment). This was the first year that I was around autocross at all and I only competed once. The first time I was on course I thought I was going to kill someone or total the car. By my last run I was loosening up a lot and running a lot harder. Yeah, I wish my times had been better, but the point is that I got over my nerves and got my butt out on the track. What did my mom say previous to this? "You're going to kill yourself. Why don't you just go to support your husband?" Dad thought it would be cool but still seemed to think I would kill someone.:rolleyes:
I guess it just boils down to whether or not a girl thinks it's cool to hang out with guys and put up with their BS.
BTW, DammitBevis is my husband. And the only street 'racing' I did was the Eclipse. I'm sorry, but I gave him every chance in the world. He started it (revved at me), I thought hard about racing him, gave him a carlength off the line, slipped the clutch at a whopping 2k rpm, calmly accelerated, shifted into 2nd like normal, and handed him his arse. To make it better he had his g/f in the car and he got beat by a girl 'in some riced out civic' (no one around here has an RS or WRX, no one seems to have a clue as to what the rex is ;) ). He did a flyby and I completely ignored him, hehe.
| Vertically_Challenged | 11-14-2001 09:41 PM |
And I love to bake.
| Valien | 11-14-2001 11:05 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertically_Challenged [/i]
[B]And I love to bake. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :D
that rocks.
i like your take on things :)
(grr..dumb GOMT errors)
[B]And I love to bake. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :D
that rocks.
i like your take on things :)
(grr..dumb GOMT errors)
| Jonathan | 11-15-2001 03:49 AM |
What about Sara Senske ?
Doesnt she still drive a Legacy as a daily driver ?
Doesnt she still drive a Legacy as a daily driver ?
| cd3575 | 11-15-2001 10:49 AM |
I personally love when I see a woman wanting to get into or is into racing. My GF use to have a 71 454 chevelle and drag raced it alot till she lost sight in one eye. My friend is getting into autocross this spring with his eclips and his wife decided that she wanted to do it also with her sentra. Bth my Gf and my friends wife are very strong willed with a F--- what others think attitude, gotta love that.
I also think not as many women race because of society. Men mow the lawn play with the cars, and women cook clean and raise kids, and people hate to disturb socital norms.
I say great to any and all women that race, If i ever have a daughter I hope she to will enjoy cars and racing them.
Oh and as a man I like to cook!
I also think not as many women race because of society. Men mow the lawn play with the cars, and women cook clean and raise kids, and people hate to disturb socital norms.
I say great to any and all women that race, If i ever have a daughter I hope she to will enjoy cars and racing them.
Oh and as a man I like to cook!
| Mel 22B | 11-15-2001 12:53 PM |
I would love to see more women in racing. Nothing better than seeing a bunch of 'old boys' getting their ass' whooped.
-Mel
-Mel
| ColinL | 11-15-2001 07:41 PM |
um, just wanted to toss in some support for my favorite female racers who happen to both ride bikes.
Katja Poensgen -- GP250
<a href=http://images.google.com/images?q=katja+poensgen&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi>google image search</a>
Angelle Savoie -- Pro Stock Bike
<a href=http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=en&q=angelle+savoie>google image search</a>
Katja Poensgen -- GP250
<a href=http://images.google.com/images?q=katja+poensgen&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi>google image search</a>
Angelle Savoie -- Pro Stock Bike
<a href=http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=en&q=angelle+savoie>google image search</a>
| iceweazel | 11-15-2001 11:36 PM |
Boy... such foolish answers.
As for why American Auto-x's have seperate classes:
They don't HAVE to race in the womens, but they do.
Sheer numerical evidence here. Simple statistics.
less women compete, less DAMN GOOD drivers.
Rather hurts their overall view in the eyes of the
clueless, "gosh, guess women must not drive as well".
as for why they do not race, this has been asked in
every possible field from computers and science to racing.
Mostly its environmental while developing as I recall.
SWE (society of women engineers) commisioned some
studies on this a few years back. Might ask them, but I
recall it had to do with parental and environmental factors
Both pushing little girls to play with dollies and not
hot wheels and tonka trucks. etc. especially later when
they are in their pre-teen years and peer pressure is
brought to bear. "Oh look Its Donny from
whatever-boy-band is hot", "Oh look its a WRX STi-4!"
heh, you get the idea.
Ed
-pop psychologist, rally co-driver, super-computer engineer
:devil:
As for why American Auto-x's have seperate classes:
They don't HAVE to race in the womens, but they do.
Sheer numerical evidence here. Simple statistics.
less women compete, less DAMN GOOD drivers.
Rather hurts their overall view in the eyes of the
clueless, "gosh, guess women must not drive as well".
as for why they do not race, this has been asked in
every possible field from computers and science to racing.
Mostly its environmental while developing as I recall.
SWE (society of women engineers) commisioned some
studies on this a few years back. Might ask them, but I
recall it had to do with parental and environmental factors
Both pushing little girls to play with dollies and not
hot wheels and tonka trucks. etc. especially later when
they are in their pre-teen years and peer pressure is
brought to bear. "Oh look Its Donny from
whatever-boy-band is hot", "Oh look its a WRX STi-4!"
heh, you get the idea.
Ed
-pop psychologist, rally co-driver, super-computer engineer
:devil:
| HYDCSX400 | 11-16-2001 04:09 AM |
I know of a few that run many events here in the north east.....
this one is a husband and wife team, Henry and Cindy Krolokowski (sp?), she is the co-driver. Cool people!
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/gd//large/dsc00055.jpg[/IMG]
love the wrap around SU-BA-RU !!!
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/pm//large/DSC00022.jpg[/IMG]
This one is a real trooper, Lesley Suddard, she has been haveing prob's keeping the turbo II Dodge Charger cool enough the past year or so, as well as a few other mech. prob.s, but refuses to give up. PRESS ON REGARDLESS!!! I once saw her car comeing down the hill from finish at Maine F.R. with the drivers side front corner up in the air!!!! (she has a welded diff.) she pulls off and we run around the the back of the car to find that part of it is GONE. Part way through the stage she hit a large rock (IIRC) and broke the rear pass. wheel, break, and hub right off the trailing arm!!! But never slowed mutch if any. They found a new trailing arm and had the car back together that night for her to run in the club rally the next day.
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/gd//large/dsc00073.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/gd//large/dsc00126.jpg[/IMG]
(all pic.s from rallyplanet.com of maine forest rally)
Woman on dirt KICK ASS!!!
-Caine
HYD Racing
this one is a husband and wife team, Henry and Cindy Krolokowski (sp?), she is the co-driver. Cool people!
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/gd//large/dsc00055.jpg[/IMG]
love the wrap around SU-BA-RU !!!
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/pm//large/DSC00022.jpg[/IMG]
This one is a real trooper, Lesley Suddard, she has been haveing prob's keeping the turbo II Dodge Charger cool enough the past year or so, as well as a few other mech. prob.s, but refuses to give up. PRESS ON REGARDLESS!!! I once saw her car comeing down the hill from finish at Maine F.R. with the drivers side front corner up in the air!!!! (she has a welded diff.) she pulls off and we run around the the back of the car to find that part of it is GONE. Part way through the stage she hit a large rock (IIRC) and broke the rear pass. wheel, break, and hub right off the trailing arm!!! But never slowed mutch if any. They found a new trailing arm and had the car back together that night for her to run in the club rally the next day.
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/gd//large/dsc00073.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.rallyplanet.com/media/photos/maine01/gd//large/dsc00126.jpg[/IMG]
(all pic.s from rallyplanet.com of maine forest rally)
Woman on dirt KICK ASS!!!
-Caine
HYD Racing
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