| USAF_Pignose | 11-12-2006 09:53 AM |
Wrc Need More Manufactures?
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i been watching WRC for 10 years and actively following for the last 5. latley i find myself getting bored with the WRC i think we need more car manufactures in the WRC to spice things up.
here is my list of what cars i would like to see in the future granted some will NEVER in a million years happen but would be nice to see. feel free to add to the list or make your own.
1. bmw-330xi/335xi
2. honda new civic
3. AUDI COME BACK A4 2.0t
4. Lexus IS250 AWD
5. Acura RDX
here is my list of what cars i would like to see in the future granted some will NEVER in a million years happen but would be nice to see. feel free to add to the list or make your own.
1. bmw-330xi/335xi
2. honda new civic
3. AUDI COME BACK A4 2.0t
4. Lexus IS250 AWD
5. Acura RDX
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-12-2006 09:57 AM |
None of those will ever happen. Sorry.
| bjorn240 | 11-12-2006 10:31 AM |
Wow, it'd be hard to come up with an unlikelier list, unless it included the Cugnot Steam Tractor, the Tatra T87, and the Delahaye T165 Figoni et Falaschi V12.
| OBShahn | 11-12-2006 12:17 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15959155]Wow, it'd be hard to come up with an unlikelier list, unless it included the Cugnot Steam Tractor, the Tatra T87, and the Delahaye T165 Figoni et Falaschi V12.[/QUOTE]
Didn't honda just put together a Civic type R s1600 homogulation (or was it n2/3?)
I'd just like to see the following teams/mfgs field a pair of cars of one brand or another:
subaru
mitsubishi
Ford
PSA (2-3 cars, I heart R5 turbos)
VAG (Audi, SEAT, VW, Skoda, I don't care)
Suzuki
Toyota/Nissan/Honda *1 (I realize they are different mfgs I just want one of the big 3 asian companies in the game)
Hyundai/Kia *1 (I liked the Accent WRC02 and it would be nice to see a Korean company in the game with some seriousness)
all those teams with 2 paid drivers! how could it be any better unless they were doing 400-500 kms with night stages and the safari?
Didn't honda just put together a Civic type R s1600 homogulation (or was it n2/3?)
I'd just like to see the following teams/mfgs field a pair of cars of one brand or another:
subaru
mitsubishi
Ford
PSA (2-3 cars, I heart R5 turbos)
VAG (Audi, SEAT, VW, Skoda, I don't care)
Suzuki
Toyota/Nissan/Honda *1 (I realize they are different mfgs I just want one of the big 3 asian companies in the game)
Hyundai/Kia *1 (I liked the Accent WRC02 and it would be nice to see a Korean company in the game with some seriousness)
all those teams with 2 paid drivers! how could it be any better unless they were doing 400-500 kms with night stages and the safari?
| nKoan | 11-12-2006 12:38 PM |
The R5 is a Renault vehicle, which has nothing to do with PSA Peugeot Citroen.
| bitterWRX | 11-12-2006 12:40 PM |
I don't think Audi will make a return as a manufacturer for a long, long time. They've put too much (as they should) into their Le Mans program.
| USAF_Pignose | 11-12-2006 12:43 PM |
[quote=OBShahn;15959704]Didn't honda just put together a Civic type R s1600 homogulation (or was it n2/3?)
I'd just like to see the following teams/mfgs field a pair of cars of one brand or another:
subaru
mitsubishi
Ford
PSA (2-3 cars, I heart R5 turbos)
VAG (Audi, SEAT, VW, Skoda, I don't care)
Suzuki
Toyota/Nissan/Honda *1 (I realize they are different mfgs I just want one of the big 3 asian companies in the game)
Hyundai/Kia *1 (I liked the Accent WRC02 and it would be nice to see a Korean company in the game with some seriousness)
all those teams with 2 paid drivers! how could it be any better unless they were doing 400-500 kms with night stages and the safari?[/quote]
suzuki is said to be joining the WRC in 07 with their WRC SX-4 [IMG]http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/suzuki-sx4-wrc-2007-785301.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/735021/suzuki-sx4-1_wa.jpg[/IMG]
mitsu is said to come back with the factory backed team in 08. think the evo X will look bad ass in a WRC version.
i really want to see Audi back in the game though. it pisses me off to see the commercials for the Q7 with the flash back to the early 80's and the WRC. sure you introduced AWD into the WRC circuit and you lay that claim for advertising purposes but get back in the game the same way u lay claims to always winning the 24hrs of lemans.
I'd just like to see the following teams/mfgs field a pair of cars of one brand or another:
subaru
mitsubishi
Ford
PSA (2-3 cars, I heart R5 turbos)
VAG (Audi, SEAT, VW, Skoda, I don't care)
Suzuki
Toyota/Nissan/Honda *1 (I realize they are different mfgs I just want one of the big 3 asian companies in the game)
Hyundai/Kia *1 (I liked the Accent WRC02 and it would be nice to see a Korean company in the game with some seriousness)
all those teams with 2 paid drivers! how could it be any better unless they were doing 400-500 kms with night stages and the safari?[/quote]
suzuki is said to be joining the WRC in 07 with their WRC SX-4 [IMG]http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/suzuki-sx4-wrc-2007-785301.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/735021/suzuki-sx4-1_wa.jpg[/IMG]
mitsu is said to come back with the factory backed team in 08. think the evo X will look bad ass in a WRC version.
i really want to see Audi back in the game though. it pisses me off to see the commercials for the Q7 with the flash back to the early 80's and the WRC. sure you introduced AWD into the WRC circuit and you lay that claim for advertising purposes but get back in the game the same way u lay claims to always winning the 24hrs of lemans.
| Homemade WRX | 11-12-2006 01:13 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;15959704]
Toyota/Nissan/Honda *1 (I realize they are different mfgs I just want one of the big 3 asian companies in the game)[/QUOTE]
you do realize Nissan is owned by renault
Toyota/Nissan/Honda *1 (I realize they are different mfgs I just want one of the big 3 asian companies in the game)[/QUOTE]
you do realize Nissan is owned by renault
| bjorn240 | 11-12-2006 01:29 PM |
Earliest Mitsubishi will be back is 2009.
| OBShahn | 11-12-2006 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;15960134]you do realize Nissan is owned by renault[/QUOTE]
4x% is not owned. It is called having a controlling minority share.
Nissan owns like 17-19% of Renault as well....
Heck most all of the car manufacturers either partially own or are partially owned by someone else...
4x% is not owned. It is called having a controlling minority share.
Nissan owns like 17-19% of Renault as well....
Heck most all of the car manufacturers either partially own or are partially owned by someone else...
| OBShahn | 11-12-2006 04:09 PM |
[QUOTE=nKoan;15959870]The R5 is a Renault vehicle, which has nothing to do with PSA Peugeot Citroen.[/QUOTE]
Details details....
It would be great to see 3 french teams in WRC...
(doesn't PSA own like 30% of Renault?)
Details details....
It would be great to see 3 french teams in WRC...
(doesn't PSA own like 30% of Renault?)
| OBShahn | 11-12-2006 04:10 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15960239]Earliest Mitsubishi will be back is 2009.[/QUOTE]
There might be a Mitsu M2 team but yeah...
Mitsu as a M1 is probably not going to happen for a long time...
There might be a Mitsu M2 team but yeah...
Mitsu as a M1 is probably not going to happen for a long time...
| LastResort | 11-12-2006 04:14 PM |
As posted above Suzuki is fielding a car next year. And there was talk/rumor of at least one other manufacture entering the fray, but I can't remember for the life of me, who it was. hyundai maybe?
| Hondo88 | 11-12-2006 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;15961415]Details details....
It would be great to see 3 french teams in WRC...
(doesn't PSA own like 30% of Renault?)[/QUOTE]
I would love to see another Japanese team (Like Toyota, or Honda), but 3 French teams is probably more likley.
The French love Rally's, like dogs love trucks.
It would be great to see 3 french teams in WRC...
(doesn't PSA own like 30% of Renault?)[/QUOTE]
I would love to see another Japanese team (Like Toyota, or Honda), but 3 French teams is probably more likley.
The French love Rally's, like dogs love trucks.
| USAF_Pignose | 11-12-2006 06:56 PM |
another thing i would like to see is a Rally USA.
either rally though the stages of the grand canyon areas or red wood forest.
either rally though the stages of the grand canyon areas or red wood forest.
| Subaru_555 | 11-12-2006 08:09 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15960239]Earliest Mitsubishi will be back is 2009.[/QUOTE]
I think they are aiming for 2008 and promoting it in the US first.
I think they are aiming for 2008 and promoting it in the US first.
| Howl | 11-12-2006 08:12 PM |
Toyota and Nissan were both had top level teams in the 1980's, but that was before the big money and AWD started to come into play. Quite frankly the only reason for any manufacturer to support a WRC level factory team is for the advertizing it provides. Not very many car manufactures can sell cars because of their rally heritage (even though Audi does and it has been active in years :lol:). Most consumers are more interested in touring cars, F1 or NASCAR so that's were most car companies put their efforts.
What I would like to see is more cars capable of competing with the EVOs and Impreza's on the North American rally circuit. We need more real AWD small cars. Maybe in a few years we'll start to see some older BWM 330xi/335xi's and Lexus IS250's being caged and raced.
What I would like to see is more cars capable of competing with the EVOs and Impreza's on the North American rally circuit. We need more real AWD small cars. Maybe in a few years we'll start to see some older BWM 330xi/335xi's and Lexus IS250's being caged and raced.
| nKoan | 11-12-2006 09:13 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;15961415](doesn't PSA own like 30% of Renault?)[/QUOTE]
Nope. Those two are independent companies.
Also, FWIW, Renault has a majority share in Nissan (44%, which in Japan is enough to be considered a majority, due to regulations requiring 2/3rds on votes) and Nissan has a 15% of non-voting shares in Renault. And don't forget, Charles Ghosen is the CEO of both companies.
Nope. Those two are independent companies.
Also, FWIW, Renault has a majority share in Nissan (44%, which in Japan is enough to be considered a majority, due to regulations requiring 2/3rds on votes) and Nissan has a 15% of non-voting shares in Renault. And don't forget, Charles Ghosen is the CEO of both companies.
| OBShahn | 11-12-2006 11:07 PM |
[QUOTE=nKoan;15963895]Nope. Those two are independent companies.
Also, FWIW, Renault has a majority share in Nissan (44%, which in Japan is enough to be considered a majority, due to regulations requiring 2/3rds on votes) and Nissan has a 15% of non-voting shares in Renault. And don't forget, Charles Ghosen is the CEO of both companies.[/QUOTE]
Nissan had had plans to expand to a 17% share 2 years ago.
The motorsports and marketing in Nissan are operated under a semi-autonomous department in which Ghosn only had a total $ amount say not what it is spent on.
Plus Carlos said he didn't want to be in F1 unless they kept winning and wanted Renault to go to a less expensive form of motorsport.
It must just be the French government that has investment in Renault if not PSA directly. I could swear there is some sort of convoluted link there.
Also, FWIW, Renault has a majority share in Nissan (44%, which in Japan is enough to be considered a majority, due to regulations requiring 2/3rds on votes) and Nissan has a 15% of non-voting shares in Renault. And don't forget, Charles Ghosen is the CEO of both companies.[/QUOTE]
Nissan had had plans to expand to a 17% share 2 years ago.
The motorsports and marketing in Nissan are operated under a semi-autonomous department in which Ghosn only had a total $ amount say not what it is spent on.
Plus Carlos said he didn't want to be in F1 unless they kept winning and wanted Renault to go to a less expensive form of motorsport.
It must just be the French government that has investment in Renault if not PSA directly. I could swear there is some sort of convoluted link there.
| bjorn240 | 11-13-2006 08:55 AM |
[QUOTE=Subaru_555;15963241]I think they are aiming for 2008 and promoting it in the US first.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=Howl;15963280]Toyota and Nissan were both had top level teams in the 1980's, but that was before the big money and AWD started to come into play.[/QUOTE]
Toyota had a program into the late 1990s with the Celica ST165, 185, 205 and WRC Corollas. The WRC Corollas also happened to become probably the most successful privateer WRC car ever, chalking up lots of victories in European national series. They also have the distinction of being the only quality factory team ever run by a driver. :lol:
Nissan was never really a force to be reckoned with. They ran the Sunny for a few years in the 90s, but it was pretty hopeless.
- Christian
No.
[QUOTE=Howl;15963280]Toyota and Nissan were both had top level teams in the 1980's, but that was before the big money and AWD started to come into play.[/QUOTE]
Toyota had a program into the late 1990s with the Celica ST165, 185, 205 and WRC Corollas. The WRC Corollas also happened to become probably the most successful privateer WRC car ever, chalking up lots of victories in European national series. They also have the distinction of being the only quality factory team ever run by a driver. :lol:
Nissan was never really a force to be reckoned with. They ran the Sunny for a few years in the 90s, but it was pretty hopeless.
- Christian
| piits | 11-14-2006 03:26 AM |
it's about time to understand that production line models, awd or not, have nothing to do with actual WRC efforts. of course, those who follow the WRC know that :)
Suzuki is developing the car, and we may see some trial runs some time next year. Mitsu is in a money-saving mode, but there have been string rumors, that Mitsu will run a M2 team next year, as their 2005 WRC car were available for rent throughout the entire year.
Renault/Nissan are on a strict money-saving diet, they even have stopped the S2000 project, that looked promising in the beggining. The company has stated they concentrate their effort on F1.
Recently Fiat stated, that in case the S2000 formula won't be succesful enough, they might go for a full WRC development programme.
S2000 may be the chance to see new manufacturers enter, as it is more cost-effective. Fiat has already won the European championship and the International Rally Challenge with it's Fiat Punto S2000. Peugeot is back with a full factory effort in S2000, choosing to develop Peugeot 207. Plus, Toyota and VW (to precise - their subsidary companies) have developed their versions of S2000 - the Corolla and the Polo. Three of these have already debuted in Europe, but Corolla will make it's debut on rally GB, driven by Alister Mcrae.
here's a link to a small compilation on this topic:
[URL="http://www.bmwpower.lv/my.php?op=gallery&name=Ruff&pid=2436"]http://www.bmwpower.lv/my.php?op=gallery&name=Ruff&pid=2436[/URL]
Suzuki is developing the car, and we may see some trial runs some time next year. Mitsu is in a money-saving mode, but there have been string rumors, that Mitsu will run a M2 team next year, as their 2005 WRC car were available for rent throughout the entire year.
Renault/Nissan are on a strict money-saving diet, they even have stopped the S2000 project, that looked promising in the beggining. The company has stated they concentrate their effort on F1.
Recently Fiat stated, that in case the S2000 formula won't be succesful enough, they might go for a full WRC development programme.
S2000 may be the chance to see new manufacturers enter, as it is more cost-effective. Fiat has already won the European championship and the International Rally Challenge with it's Fiat Punto S2000. Peugeot is back with a full factory effort in S2000, choosing to develop Peugeot 207. Plus, Toyota and VW (to precise - their subsidary companies) have developed their versions of S2000 - the Corolla and the Polo. Three of these have already debuted in Europe, but Corolla will make it's debut on rally GB, driven by Alister Mcrae.
here's a link to a small compilation on this topic:
[URL="http://www.bmwpower.lv/my.php?op=gallery&name=Ruff&pid=2436"]http://www.bmwpower.lv/my.php?op=gallery&name=Ruff&pid=2436[/URL]
| davis10 | 11-14-2006 11:49 AM |
toyota was hinting at running a WRC car, that would be cool but you never know.
Honda, lexus, Acura .... give me a break
Honda, lexus, Acura .... give me a break
| Sir-Knight | 11-14-2006 03:35 PM |
I'd love to see hyundai and toyota come back into WRC, toyota left because they caught caught cheating and conveniently had to focus on F1 the year they came back.
I'd also like to see mazda come into the fray.
Citroen and Peugeot are owned by the same parent company, and why they decided to pull back is beyond me, citroen is STILL kicking ass without a factory team.
the C4 will be interesting, it looks smaller than the current generation of cars, and I think the rest of the manufacturers will opt for a smaller car once the c4 starts to haul ass like the GC8s back in the day.
BMW is too refined for WRC... I don't see them entering in such a gritty ungentlemanly sport such as rally.
Lexus IS toyota, Acura IS honda. I doubt you'll see either of them come in again though. Toyota has it's piece of pie in the truck/nascar deal and F1, Honda has it's piece in F1
VW would be interesting to see in WRC, a golf or a Jetta would suit the mix well.
RAlly is starting to gain strength in north america, with a touch of it in the Xgames, it's starting to reach wider audiences, which is a good thing. You can only watch oval racing for so long.
I'd also like to see mazda come into the fray.
Citroen and Peugeot are owned by the same parent company, and why they decided to pull back is beyond me, citroen is STILL kicking ass without a factory team.
the C4 will be interesting, it looks smaller than the current generation of cars, and I think the rest of the manufacturers will opt for a smaller car once the c4 starts to haul ass like the GC8s back in the day.
BMW is too refined for WRC... I don't see them entering in such a gritty ungentlemanly sport such as rally.
Lexus IS toyota, Acura IS honda. I doubt you'll see either of them come in again though. Toyota has it's piece of pie in the truck/nascar deal and F1, Honda has it's piece in F1
VW would be interesting to see in WRC, a golf or a Jetta would suit the mix well.
RAlly is starting to gain strength in north america, with a touch of it in the Xgames, it's starting to reach wider audiences, which is a good thing. You can only watch oval racing for so long.
| bjorn240 | 11-14-2006 04:19 PM |
VW [U]has[/U] been in rally. First as Audi, then VW, then SEAT, then Skoda.
| REDrum | 11-14-2006 05:37 PM |
I'd like to see Travis, and that NYC codriver of his, run WRC Monte Carlo 2009 in a Dodge Caliber (w/ an EVO X driveline).
Well....back to the crack pipe....
Well....back to the crack pipe....
| WRXMaster | 11-14-2006 05:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Howl;15963280]Toyota and Nissan were both had top level teams in the 1980's, but that was before the big money and AWD started to come into play. Quite frankly the only reason for any manufacturer to support a WRC level factory team is for the advertizing it provides. Not very many car manufactures can sell cars because of their rally heritage (even though Audi does and it has been active in years :lol:). Most consumers are more interested in touring cars, F1 or NASCAR so that's were most car companies put their efforts.
What I would like to see is more cars capable of competing with the EVOs and Impreza's on the North American rally circuit. We need more real AWD small cars. Maybe in a few years we'll start to see some older BWM 330xi/335xi's and Lexus IS250's being caged and raced.[/QUOTE]
Nissan never made a good rally car:lol: Toyota got caught cheating with the celica and they ran to F1. I dont know where you get your information, but subaru and mitsubishi sell alot of cars because of their rally hertiage. Everytime you read a article about the Evo or Wrx you see rallycar at least 2 times in each article. Ford Europe seems to think that wrc is a viable motorsport to advertise the Focus "big seller". WRC is a great platform to promte a car/brand.
What I would like to see is more cars capable of competing with the EVOs and Impreza's on the North American rally circuit. We need more real AWD small cars. Maybe in a few years we'll start to see some older BWM 330xi/335xi's and Lexus IS250's being caged and raced.[/QUOTE]
Nissan never made a good rally car:lol: Toyota got caught cheating with the celica and they ran to F1. I dont know where you get your information, but subaru and mitsubishi sell alot of cars because of their rally hertiage. Everytime you read a article about the Evo or Wrx you see rallycar at least 2 times in each article. Ford Europe seems to think that wrc is a viable motorsport to advertise the Focus "big seller". WRC is a great platform to promte a car/brand.
| Howl | 11-14-2006 07:44 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster;15989263]. . . . I dont know where you get your information, but subaru and mitsubishi sell alot of cars because of their rally hertiage. Everytime you read a article about the Evo or Wrx you see rallycar at least 2 times in each article. Ford Europe seems to think that wrc is a viable motorsport to advertise the Focus "big seller". WRC is a great platform to promte a car/brand.[/QUOTE]
I said "not very many". There is only a limited market for "rally-bred" cars in North America so only a few manufacturers will fill that niche. Subaru Mitsubishi and to some extent Audi and Ford.
I said "not very many". There is only a limited market for "rally-bred" cars in North America so only a few manufacturers will fill that niche. Subaru Mitsubishi and to some extent Audi and Ford.
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