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Heel-Toe video: My first attempt at making an instructional video part 1

fastwrx 12-11-2006 06:49 PM

Heel-Toe video: My first attempt at making an instructional video
A friend of mine who is a track novice wanted to learn more about heel-toe / rev-match downshifting. So, I threw together a quick video for him. Turns out this video has been quite popular, and I've gotten a lot of good feedback.

So, here ya go: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPj9XXW25GA[/url]

Mike
Subaru_555 12-11-2006 07:21 PM

Sweet nice vid. That's exactly what I did when I first tried to learn the heel-toe with just matching the revs w/o braking. Nice car!
KC 12-11-2006 07:52 PM

Nice horn!!! :lol:
nhluhr 12-11-2006 07:56 PM

yeah i was wondering about that horn as well :lol:
Butt Dyno 12-11-2006 08:01 PM

One idea just watching it, is it might help if you just dubbed in the narration after the fact so we could hear you better. The Elise is not the quietest cabin in the world :)
fastwrx 12-11-2006 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=nhluhr;16289909]yeah i was wondering about that horn as well :lol:[/QUOTE]

There have been several incidents of cars backing into Lotus Elises. The Elise drivers laid on the horn to no avail. The car in front just kept backing into them - can't see them, can't hear them. CRUNCH!

The air horn is a low-tech "proximity warning device."

Sure enough, shortly after I got it, I was in the lane in front of a supermarket where there are cars parked up against the shopping center. I was stuck in traffic between two cars. And, the old fart parked to my left started backing up right into me! He was going to broadside me! I gave a courtesy honk on the stock horn when I saw his reverse lights go on. Nope... he started to back up! Crap! I grabbed the airhorn and blasted him. I probably stopped his heart momentarily, but he stopped - about 12 inches short of hitting me. The people walking in the passageway in the shopping center about came out of their skins, too! LOL! But, that silly airhorn saved my brand new Lotus from being severely damaged.
nhluhr 12-11-2006 08:09 PM

I see. Had you considered, perhaps, the possibility of some Hella Supertones or one of those lightweight plastic air trumpets from Kragen thoughtfully concealed under the front bonnet?
fastwrx 12-11-2006 08:15 PM

[QUOTE=nhluhr;16290038]I see. Had you considered, perhaps, the possibility of some Hella Supertones or one of those lightweight plastic air trumpets from Kragen thoughtfully concealed under the front bonnet?[/QUOTE]

Yes. I'd like to put them where the stock horns are. But, getting under the front clam is no easy task. So, until I get ambitious enough to go after it, I've resorted to the the low-tech approach! :)

Hmmmm... That... or an articulated 25-mm gun would work! ;)

Mike
Manbike26 12-12-2006 10:19 AM

I'd suggest "voice-over" as well, but while leaving the engine noise in...obviously this would require a re-shoot. At which time you might be able to show some of the road as well, so the viewer could make a judgement on speed. Maybe a darker text against a more consistently lighter background, too.

I think I speak for the other people who've watched it and say i'm reaching for ways to improve.

Despite my nitpicking, really good stuff!

Mike
silver-duck 12-12-2006 10:32 AM

Very well done; thankyou for the tape. You have a new career!
fastwrx 12-12-2006 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=Manbike26;16295482]I'd suggest "voice-over" as well, but while leaving the engine noise in...obviously this would require a re-shoot. At which time you might be able to show some of the road as well, so the viewer could make a judgement on speed. Maybe a darker text against a more consistently lighter background, too.

I think I speak for the other people who've watched it and say i'm reaching for ways to improve.

Despite my nitpicking, really good stuff!

Mike[/QUOTE]

Oh, I can nitpick with the best - especially my own work! :) I'm already thinking of a bunch of ways to reshoot it! First, I need to spend about $2000 on goodies at [url]www.chasecam.com[/url]! :D I shot this video with a Sony SD300 digital Elph camera.

I only did this video to show a friend how to H&T. It was intended to be a very amateurish quickie video for one friend. But, the more I got into it, the more fun it became, and the more I wanted to do. Stay tuned - I think I may have found a new "hobby!"

Thanks for all the comments! :)

Mike
darknightohio 12-12-2006 12:17 PM

Nice video, that Lotus trans looks effortless.
remowgn 12-12-2006 12:39 PM

A lapel mic would work wonders for doing stuff like that. The problem is not only the ambient noise, but also how far away you are from the camera. A lapel mic would fix both- you'd get both the engine noise and nice clear narration.

Cool vid! The elise cockpit definitely makes it possible to do stuff like this. :)
Subaru_555 12-12-2006 01:06 PM

Have a look at this one. A heel-toe video with no budget in a Roush Mustang [URL="http://www.blancomedia.com/shell/heel_toe.html"]http://www.blancomedia.com/shell/heel_toe.html[/URL].
fastwrx 12-12-2006 01:20 PM

Lapel mike next time! :) And more cameras! I'm thinking a footwell shot, a forward view shot, and a side shot of the driver! Randy from ChaseCam will be hearing from me, hopefully soon! :D

Mike
Calamity Jesus 12-12-2006 02:04 PM

Also, break it up into three different techniques in 3 different videos. Rev-Matching. Heel-Toe, and... the Double-clutched heel-toe "look at me, Ma, I can put a WRX into 1st gear!!" downshift.
fastwrx 12-12-2006 03:10 PM

[QUOTE=Beaverboy;16298636]Also, break it up into three different techniques in 3 different videos. Rev-Matching. Heel-Toe, and... the Double-clutched heel-toe "look at me, Ma, I can put a WRX into 1st gear!!" downshift.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Was already thinking of a video demonstrating double-clutch technique, too. :)

Mike
GarySheehan 12-12-2006 03:37 PM

[QUOTE=fastwrx;16299659]Yep. Was already thinking of a video demonstrating double-clutch technique, too. :)

Mike[/QUOTE]

"Why would you want to double clutch a modern car?! Double clutching is only for old trucks and stuff my grandpa drove. Modern gearboxes with synchros blah, blah-blah, blah, blah......."

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url]
fastwrx 12-12-2006 03:47 PM

[QUOTE=GarySheehan;16300110]Why would you want to double clutch a modern car?! Double clutching is only for old trucks and stuff my grandpa drove. Modern gearboxes with synchros blah, blah-blah, blah, blah.......

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url][/QUOTE]

Hi Gary!

Long time! I haven't been on this board much lately. Good to see you're still here. And, perhaps you are the best qualified to comment.

There are some that argue even with modern synchro-ed trannies, it's better to double clutch. That if you blip in neutral, more of the tranny parts get spinning (I can't tell you which ones... "dog ring?") Anyway, I've seen arguments for the technique and arguments saying it's simply not necessary. For what it's worth, I don't double clutch in my Lotus or STi. I DID have to do it when driving the Skip Barber Formula Dodge cars. For a while, I had to really practice single clutching to get my timing down, as I learned rev-match downshifting with double-clutching at Skippy School.

Mike
Butt Dyno 12-12-2006 04:09 PM

[QUOTE=GarySheehan;16300110]"Why would you want to double clutch a modern car?! Double clutching is only for old trucks and stuff my grandpa drove. Modern gearboxes with synchros blah, blah-blah, blah, blah......."

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url][/QUOTE]:lol: I was trying to find your old post where you said something along the lines of "well, the car's braking and my foot's got nothing better to do.."

john
nhluhr 12-12-2006 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=fastwrx;16300257]Hi Gary!

Long time! I haven't been on this board much lately. Good to see you're still here. And, perhaps you are the best qualified to comment.

There are some that argue even with modern synchro-ed trannies, it's better to double clutch. That if you blip in neutral, more of the tranny parts get spinning (I can't tell you which ones... "dog ring?") Anyway, I've seen arguments for the technique and arguments saying it's simply not necessary. For what it's worth, I don't double clutch in my Lotus or STi. I DID have to do it when driving the Skip Barber Formula Dodge cars. For a while, I had to really practice single clutching to get my timing down, as I learned rev-match downshifting with double-clutching at Skippy School.

Mike[/QUOTE]Gary was being facetious; thus the ""s.
GarySheehan 12-12-2006 04:28 PM

[QUOTE=nhluhr;16300872]Gary was being facetious; thus the ""s.[/QUOTE]

:) To Mike's credit, I added them after he quoted me. I wanted to see where this would go. Because, you know SOMEONE was going to say it!

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url]
fastwrx 12-12-2006 04:45 PM

OK... smacking self in forehead... Should have known Gary was being facetious! ;)
lukerussell 12-12-2006 04:48 PM

this "related" item was just slightly more entertaining, but not as informative:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQOnOXXc-ps&mode=related&search=[/url]

i think i want that exige now.

luke
IT Swift 12-12-2006 05:23 PM

[quote=fastwrx;16289998]There have been several incidents of cars backing into Lotus Elises. The Elise drivers laid on the horn to no avail. The car in front just kept backing into them - can't see them, can't hear them. CRUNCH![/quote]

Last year, in the pits at the Pagoda Hillclimb, I backed my tow vehicle (04 dodge ram) into an original elan. An ELAN!!!! The owner and his wife were NOT happy. I couldn't see him, and I couldn't hear him.

As luck would have it, he graduated from the same college as me (had a college sticker on my racecar) and he calmed down. I broke a headlight cover and cracked his hood. :(
nhluhr 12-12-2006 05:32 PM

[QUOTE=lukerussell;16301222]this "related" item was just slightly more entertaining, but not as informative:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQOnOXXc-ps&mode=related&search=[/url]

i think i want that exige now.

luke[/QUOTE]I like how he rams that yellow car off the line at 1:20
Phil Jr. 12-12-2006 05:40 PM

great video.

but I would recommend you edit in a gear indicator so people know for sure what gear you are in. Should be pretty easy to add. :)
epoth 12-12-2006 06:07 PM

Yeah that Lotus racing video is the stuff. Nice link!
fastwrx 12-12-2006 06:24 PM

[QUOTE=Phil Jr.;16301953]great video.

but I would recommend you edit in a gear indicator so people know for sure what gear you are in. Should be pretty easy to add. :)[/QUOTE]

Another good idea! Thanks!

Mike
goto_racing 12-12-2006 06:35 PM

[QUOTE=fastwrx;16300257] I DID have to do it when driving the Skip Barber Formula Dodge cars. For a while, I had to really practice single clutching to get my timing down, as I learned rev-match downshifting with double-clutching at Skippy School.

Mike[/QUOTE]
I worked at skippys for awhile at Laguna. We never touched the clutch but to start. Brake and blip and that baby would slide right in... :)

Those cars were meant for abuse.

Chris Lock
fastwrx 12-12-2006 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=goto_racing;16302541]I worked at skippys for awhile at Laguna. We never touched the clutch but to start. Brake and blip and that baby would slide right in... :)

Those cars were meant for abuse.

Chris Lock[/QUOTE]

I was referring to the 3-day Racing School cars with dog box trannies, not the R/T2000 cars with sequential shifters (that I drove in the 2-day advanced school) they use in their racing series. At any rate, they were trying to teach us to do it right. :)

Mike
GarySheehan 12-12-2006 06:58 PM

[QUOTE=fastwrx;16302709]I was referring to the 3-day Racing School cars with dog box trannies, not the R/T2000 cars with sequential shifters (that I drove in the 2-day advanced school) they use in their racing series. At any rate, they were trying to teach us to do it right. :)

Mike[/QUOTE]
Chris's got it right. With the dogbox, just use the clutch to get rolling. After that it's all clutchless shifting and left foot braking.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url]
fastwrx 12-12-2006 07:10 PM

With the "beginner" cars, we were taught to use the clutch for every shift - up or down, and double-clutch on the downshifts. For the RT2000 cars with sequential shifters, we were told to use the clutch to get rolling (of course) and for downshifts. To upshift, just breathe out of the throttle and shift. I really liked the sequential shifters!! :D

Mike
chaddeus 12-13-2006 05:01 AM

I was refering to your downshift where you blip the throttle when downshifting during the early part of the video. Personally, I think it would not be neccessary to do that way. In fact, if the whole idea is to rev match, I would actually, press the clutch and release gas, downshift, press the gas and THEN release clutch. Basically, you are pressing the gas earlier than releasing the clutch causing the engine to rev higher. When you release the clutch, will not jerk.

On the other hand, if someone would to learn the "proper" double clutching, the viewer should actually learn a slighly different method. Press the clutch and release gas simultaneously, go to neutral, release clutch, blip the gas, press clutch, downshift, press the gas and release clutch simultaneously.

Of course, like what Gary say, double-clutching may not be neccessary in modern cars but if you want to impress your friends on the road... or maybe if you want to prevent that 0.0001% possibility of your car transmission to damage caused by not using double-clutching.

Overall, I pretty much like the video.

- Charles
TheBlacKnight 12-13-2006 05:29 AM

This video is pretty interesting! I added it to my blog: [URL="http://scoobynews.com/2006/12/13/video-heel-toe-shifting-technique-instructional-video/"]ScoobyNews.com[/URL]. You should enable embedding so my visitors can play the video on my page. :)
fastwrx 12-13-2006 08:43 AM

[QUOTE=TheBlacKnight;16307506]This video is pretty interesting! I added it to my blog: [URL="http://scoobynews.com/2006/12/13/video-heel-toe-shifting-technique-instructional-video/"]ScoobyNews.com[/URL]. You should enable embedding so my visitors can play the video on my page. :)[/QUOTE]

OK! Done! :)

Mike
TheBlacKnight 12-13-2006 01:36 PM

Thanks!

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Chiketkd 12-13-2006 05:15 PM

Awesome video. Great job Mike! :cool:
wrxtotoro 12-13-2006 05:48 PM

I love the sound of your shift... I wish I can do it in my WRX like that...
fastwrx 12-13-2006 07:37 PM

[QUOTE=wrxtotoro;16315688]I love the sound of your shift... I wish I can do it in my WRX like that...[/QUOTE]

Why not? I do it every day driving my STi. It just takes practice. In fact, I find H&T easier in the STi - the pedals are positioned better.

Mike
silver arrow 12-13-2006 08:21 PM

[QUOTE=IT Swift;16301703]Last year, in the pits at the Pagoda Hillclimb, I backed my tow vehicle (04 dodge ram) into an original elan. An ELAN!!!! The owner and his wife were NOT happy. I couldn't see him, and I couldn't hear him.

As luck would have it, he graduated from the same college as me (had a college sticker on my racecar) and he calmed down. I broke a headlight cover and cracked his hood. :([/QUOTE]

If it was an Elan, you probably shattered the entire frame :lol: Very fragile cars.
mikehoyer 12-13-2006 09:14 PM

Another thread about the same topic + double clutching at the same time.

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1135524&highlight=double+clutch+heel+toe[/url]

This is why I practice my footwork everytime I'm in my car. It kinda sucks though, my heel hits the footwell if I try to heel-toe from my normal braking position. I gotta put my foot higher on the brake pedal to swing my heel over to the gas and it's a lot harder to feel the brakes. I'm sure it makes things a lot easier having everything positioned correctly like in the lotus elise or Gary Sheehan's race car.

I'm so used to double clutching everytime I downshift that it feels weird if I don't. It's just second nature. Heel toe on the other hand I only do when there are no cars infront of me...
Calamity Jesus 12-14-2006 08:10 AM

[QUOTE=mikehoyer;16317975]I'm sure it makes things a lot easier having everything positioned correctly like in the lotus elise or Gary Sheehan's race car.[/QUOTE]You can buy cheap APC pedal sets at your local auto parts store to position the pedals closer together, and there are some adjustments that can be made to your brake pedal's travel and engagment point.
GarySheehan 12-14-2006 11:34 AM

All we did in the WRX is bend the gas pedal over towards the brake pedal slightly, by hand. Just reach down there and pull it over. Don't do this on an STi because it is fly-by-wire and the pedal assembly breaks before the shaft bends :( Don't ask me why I know this.

We didn't do anything for brake pedal height. With braided brake lines, pedal height was perfect.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url]
wrxtotoro 12-14-2006 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=fastwrx;16316938]Why not? I do it every day driving my STi. It just takes practice. In fact, I find H&T easier in the STi - the pedals are positioned better.

Mike[/QUOTE]

I was referring to the crisp "click" sound everytime you shift. My WRX feels like a sponge when I change gears. I know I can probably change some bushing from KB to make it better but I am a mechanical noob. I am kinda scared to open up anything and can't put them back together... :rolleyes:
I am still learning to heel-toe but it's difficult to find a long stretch of road for me to practice since I live in NNJ, kinda downtown area... :( Thanks for the video though. It does help to clarify the sequence.
Subaru_555 12-14-2006 02:40 PM

I f^&*&^% love this track. Bathurst and Aussie motorsport rule!

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