| uwave | 03-16-2006 11:53 PM |
'05 WRX or STi for track use?
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Hey all. I'm going to need some help deciding between a WRX and an STi for track use. The real question I have is this: do people run HPDEs in WRXs with the stock caliper/rotor package without problems? That's the REAL deciding factor for me. I track a 350Z (settle down, your car is faster than mine...) that has the Brembo package, and have had sketchy brake performance on-track. This could be due to a number of factors including driving style, poor pad selection, etc. However, being a relatively conservative and safety-conscious camper, I'm wondering if, on average, the WRX guys (and gals) without upgrades have problems or not?
In reality, the car will do double duty as the family winter driver and a track car for my fiancee. I really don't want to skimp on safety for her if the brakes are marginal on the WRX.
Also, if you guys are interested in seeing your taillights fly by me on-track, you can check out a video from Watkins Glen last year. The STi was the only car I had to yield to consistently. That thing was cooking.
Apparently the forum doesn't want you guys to see me getting repeatedly owned by an STi yet, I have to post more to add urls.
Head to google videos, and search on "350z glen"
2 vids should show up. If you check out the "downsides" one, you'll see the STi spanking my Z. The other one, "2 laps," makes me feel better about myself, but probably isn't as interesting to the current audience. Enjoy!
Hmm. After all that good video, I'm still feeling owned by the STi. Maybe I'm answering my own question. Maybe my family's safety and my mad desire to go faster can be satisfied [I]at the same time[/I] with an STi.
Kidding, any comment on the WRX vs. STi would be appreciated. You can also ridicule my driving. If it is good ridicule (constructive), I will file it away and use it to catch that damn STi this year...
uwave
In reality, the car will do double duty as the family winter driver and a track car for my fiancee. I really don't want to skimp on safety for her if the brakes are marginal on the WRX.
Also, if you guys are interested in seeing your taillights fly by me on-track, you can check out a video from Watkins Glen last year. The STi was the only car I had to yield to consistently. That thing was cooking.
Apparently the forum doesn't want you guys to see me getting repeatedly owned by an STi yet, I have to post more to add urls.
Head to google videos, and search on "350z glen"
2 vids should show up. If you check out the "downsides" one, you'll see the STi spanking my Z. The other one, "2 laps," makes me feel better about myself, but probably isn't as interesting to the current audience. Enjoy!
Hmm. After all that good video, I'm still feeling owned by the STi. Maybe I'm answering my own question. Maybe my family's safety and my mad desire to go faster can be satisfied [I]at the same time[/I] with an STi.
Kidding, any comment on the WRX vs. STi would be appreciated. You can also ridicule my driving. If it is good ridicule (constructive), I will file it away and use it to catch that damn STi this year...
uwave
| Neek | 03-17-2006 12:03 AM |
If you are buying the car specifically with HPDE use in mind, and the cost isn't prohibitive, then I can't see any reason to not get the STi. It's really in it's element there. Not that the WRX can't perform well on-track, because it can, but the brakes, suspension, transmission and engine upgrades really shine during on-track sessions.
Plus then you won't have to hear that nauseating exhaust note out of the Z. ;)
Good luck with your decision.
Plus then you won't have to hear that nauseating exhaust note out of the Z. ;)
Good luck with your decision.
| hystikal | 03-17-2006 12:53 AM |
I can speak from the perspective of a WRX re: HPDE/track days.
Stock pads/calipers/rotors are OK at best. They WILL fade on you, guaranteed. When I did a mini autoX course at a HPDE down at Infineon, the brakes were literally smoking. However, upgraded pads and some good fluid (Super Blue) relieved most of the fade and no more smoking :) I've got SS lines and new Brembo blanks/Hawk HP+ waiting, so we'll see how it works. I don't want a BBK b/c I want to keep my stock wheels. I can only conjecture that the STi is more than adequate out of the box and if you really had to, you might slap on some SS lines and race pads, but that'd be about it.
Stock pads/calipers/rotors are OK at best. They WILL fade on you, guaranteed. When I did a mini autoX course at a HPDE down at Infineon, the brakes were literally smoking. However, upgraded pads and some good fluid (Super Blue) relieved most of the fade and no more smoking :) I've got SS lines and new Brembo blanks/Hawk HP+ waiting, so we'll see how it works. I don't want a BBK b/c I want to keep my stock wheels. I can only conjecture that the STi is more than adequate out of the box and if you really had to, you might slap on some SS lines and race pads, but that'd be about it.
| Kostamojen | 03-17-2006 01:12 AM |
If you want a track car, and a winter car, you don't want either. You want a 93-01 Impreza.
No i'm not joking.
No i'm not joking.
| uwave | 03-17-2006 06:07 AM |
Kostamojen,
I'm all ears. Can you justify your statement a bit?
uwave
I'm all ears. Can you justify your statement a bit?
uwave
| skuttledude | 03-17-2006 08:51 AM |
[QUOTE=uwave]Hey all. I'm going to need some help deciding between a WRX and an STi for track use. The real question I have is this: do people run HPDEs in WRXs with the stock caliper/rotor package without problems? That's the REAL deciding factor for me. I track a 350Z (settle down, your car is faster than mine...) that has the Brembo package, and have had sketchy brake performance on-track. This could be due to a number of factors including driving style, poor pad selection, etc. However, being a relatively conservative and safety-conscious camper, I'm wondering if, on average, the WRX guys (and gals) without upgrades have problems or not?
In reality, the car will do double duty as the family winter driver and a track car for my fiancee. I really don't want to skimp on safety for her if the brakes are marginal on the WRX.
Also, if you guys are interested in seeing your taillights fly by me on-track, you can check out a video from Watkins Glen last year. The STi was the only car I had to yield to consistently. That thing was cooking.
Apparently the forum doesn't want you guys to see me getting repeatedly owned by an STi yet, I have to post more to add urls.
Head to google videos, and search on "350z glen"
2 vids should show up. If you check out the "downsides" one, you'll see the STi spanking my Z. The other one, "2 laps," makes me feel better about myself, but probably isn't as interesting to the current audience. Enjoy!
Hmm. After all that good video, I'm still feeling owned by the STi. Maybe I'm answering my own question. Maybe my family's safety and my mad desire to go faster can be satisfied [I]at the same time[/I] with an STi.
Kidding, any comment on the WRX vs. STi would be appreciated. You can also ridicule my driving. If it is good ridicule (constructive), I will file it away and use it to catch that damn STi this year...
uwave[/QUOTE]
Yes on the STi. In stock form, few cars under $50,000 can match its performance. I was passing M3's at Mid-Ohio and I'm just a decent driver. The car really shines on the track.
The WRX is a great car too but more for a true all-season daily driver. (apples to apples, stock to stock comparo)
(you can see my track vids here: [url]http://www.skuttlemotorsports.com/videos.htm[/url] )
I missed the link to the videos? PM me or post them up, I'd love to see them. I may know that STi at Watkins Glen.
In reality, the car will do double duty as the family winter driver and a track car for my fiancee. I really don't want to skimp on safety for her if the brakes are marginal on the WRX.
Also, if you guys are interested in seeing your taillights fly by me on-track, you can check out a video from Watkins Glen last year. The STi was the only car I had to yield to consistently. That thing was cooking.
Apparently the forum doesn't want you guys to see me getting repeatedly owned by an STi yet, I have to post more to add urls.
Head to google videos, and search on "350z glen"
2 vids should show up. If you check out the "downsides" one, you'll see the STi spanking my Z. The other one, "2 laps," makes me feel better about myself, but probably isn't as interesting to the current audience. Enjoy!
Hmm. After all that good video, I'm still feeling owned by the STi. Maybe I'm answering my own question. Maybe my family's safety and my mad desire to go faster can be satisfied [I]at the same time[/I] with an STi.
Kidding, any comment on the WRX vs. STi would be appreciated. You can also ridicule my driving. If it is good ridicule (constructive), I will file it away and use it to catch that damn STi this year...
uwave[/QUOTE]
Yes on the STi. In stock form, few cars under $50,000 can match its performance. I was passing M3's at Mid-Ohio and I'm just a decent driver. The car really shines on the track.
The WRX is a great car too but more for a true all-season daily driver. (apples to apples, stock to stock comparo)
(you can see my track vids here: [url]http://www.skuttlemotorsports.com/videos.htm[/url] )
I missed the link to the videos? PM me or post them up, I'd love to see them. I may know that STi at Watkins Glen.
| uwave | 03-17-2006 08:59 AM |
OK, I'll post links. Forum wouldn't let me post urls until I posted 5 times.
uwave
uwave
| uwave | 03-17-2006 09:02 AM |
Track video
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[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5477165071493347708]Compilation (includes STi repeatedly blowing my doors off)[/URL]
[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-416671936592507439]Two laps of the Glen (in a 350Z)[/URL]
[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=598394184422465704]Pass compilation[/URL]
Enjoy!
uwave
[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-416671936592507439]Two laps of the Glen (in a 350Z)[/URL]
[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=598394184422465704]Pass compilation[/URL]
Enjoy!
uwave
| uwave | 03-17-2006 09:13 AM |
[QUOTE]Yes on the STi. In stock form, few cars under $50,000 can match its performance.[/QUOTE]
I'm totally on board with this view. However, my fiancee is not necessarily concerned with being fast. We're going with a Suby so that we can actually get to work in the winter, first off. Then, we need something that will be SAFE on the track. The component upgrades (brakes especially, then suspension/transmission) are the main thing, while the performance is only important so that she's not a rolling chicane. For instance, if the WRX calipers/rotors can handle track duty, and the motor can get you going to the point where you're not a danger to yourself and others on-track, then we'd rather have the $6k. :)
Also, the STi in the video belongs to a great big Aussie who is a heck of a guy. Went drinking with him after the event, we swapped cars, and it was my first taste of the STi. Since then I've driven multiple WRXs and STis, trying to convince myself one way or the other.
uwave
I'm totally on board with this view. However, my fiancee is not necessarily concerned with being fast. We're going with a Suby so that we can actually get to work in the winter, first off. Then, we need something that will be SAFE on the track. The component upgrades (brakes especially, then suspension/transmission) are the main thing, while the performance is only important so that she's not a rolling chicane. For instance, if the WRX calipers/rotors can handle track duty, and the motor can get you going to the point where you're not a danger to yourself and others on-track, then we'd rather have the $6k. :)
Also, the STi in the video belongs to a great big Aussie who is a heck of a guy. Went drinking with him after the event, we swapped cars, and it was my first taste of the STi. Since then I've driven multiple WRXs and STis, trying to convince myself one way or the other.
uwave
| endeavor | 03-17-2006 10:21 AM |
I think the WRX with upgraded pads and fluid will satisfy your requirements. (If you do many track days you will want to make these upgrades to the STI as well.) That said, based on how you sound, I think you might be happier in the longrun with the STI. A year from now, you will probably have 1000 posts on here, spent that $6k on mods for your WRX, and be wishing you bought an STI in the first place :devil: ;)
P.S. Don't buy an '05 WRX -- there are too many major improvements in the '06 to pass up.
P.S. Don't buy an '05 WRX -- there are too many major improvements in the '06 to pass up.
| rkkwan | 03-17-2006 10:25 AM |
uwave - I first got into HPDE after getting my '02 WRX in 2001; last year I moved into a used '04 STi.
For track use, no question, the STi is way better than the '02 WRX. Power, suspension, brakes. Instead of upgradeing a WRX, for me it's better to just get a STi instead. The stock brakes on the '02-'05 WRX is really marginal on the track. Yes, you can upgrade the pads, but the limiting factor is the small rotors. Better pads will just create more heat. My OEM rotors do not last very long, and I've had several seized lug nuts. Now, the '06 WRX has 4-pot brakes and the 2.5 engine, so the difference between the two will be smaller. But since you ask about the '05 WRX in your title, then I'd say "no" to the WRX unless you put some good money on a brake upgrade.
Since you live in the north, if you get the STi, you'll need to get another set of wheels and tires for winter. It's also loud and have a rough ride.
It's all about compromise.
For track use, no question, the STi is way better than the '02 WRX. Power, suspension, brakes. Instead of upgradeing a WRX, for me it's better to just get a STi instead. The stock brakes on the '02-'05 WRX is really marginal on the track. Yes, you can upgrade the pads, but the limiting factor is the small rotors. Better pads will just create more heat. My OEM rotors do not last very long, and I've had several seized lug nuts. Now, the '06 WRX has 4-pot brakes and the 2.5 engine, so the difference between the two will be smaller. But since you ask about the '05 WRX in your title, then I'd say "no" to the WRX unless you put some good money on a brake upgrade.
Since you live in the north, if you get the STi, you'll need to get another set of wheels and tires for winter. It's also loud and have a rough ride.
It's all about compromise.
| DrBiggly | 03-17-2006 11:09 AM |
My vote is for the STi and honestly I don't even have to qualify it; the car is that good. :)
-Biggly
-Biggly
| WRXedUSA | 03-17-2006 11:10 AM |
Buy a used ITR for that money if you want to track it.
I have a buddy that is selling his spotless Mugen'd out '99 for 19k.
Interested? I'd still find a cheaper car though.
I have a buddy that is selling his spotless Mugen'd out '99 for 19k.
Interested? I'd still find a cheaper car though.
| jmolaver | 03-17-2006 11:35 AM |
Tough choice.. Personally I'd go STi all the way, what I would've spent getting my WRX to the all around performance level of the STi it just seemed silly to go that route..
Some food for thought....
If you get the WRX and then in a year decide the brakes are inadequate you'll probably spend $3k on a brembo/willwood/stoptech kit to get to the braking performance of the STi.. But still be without the 6 speed, better suspension, more power, etc..
Of course in the snow the STi can be an interesting animal. It has less ground clearance then the WRX so deep snow is a little trickier, and if someone isn't skilled at controlling power-on oversteer it can bite you fast and hard (no, not in a good way), not that the WRX can't get sidewise in the snow but with the STi all it takes is a blip of the throttle in almost any gear..
Some food for thought....
If you get the WRX and then in a year decide the brakes are inadequate you'll probably spend $3k on a brembo/willwood/stoptech kit to get to the braking performance of the STi.. But still be without the 6 speed, better suspension, more power, etc..
Of course in the snow the STi can be an interesting animal. It has less ground clearance then the WRX so deep snow is a little trickier, and if someone isn't skilled at controlling power-on oversteer it can bite you fast and hard (no, not in a good way), not that the WRX can't get sidewise in the snow but with the STi all it takes is a blip of the throttle in almost any gear..
| uwave | 03-17-2006 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=endeavor]P.S. Don't buy an '05 WRX -- there are too many major improvements in the '06 to pass up.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but are they worth $8k?
[QUOTE=rkkwan]It's all about compromise.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and thanks for all the insight. I've ridden in them, and they are softer and quieter than my 350Z, so it depends on your reference. I do plan to get winter wheels/tires.
Maybe, but are they worth $8k?
[QUOTE=rkkwan]It's all about compromise.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and thanks for all the insight. I've ridden in them, and they are softer and quieter than my 350Z, so it depends on your reference. I do plan to get winter wheels/tires.
| Kostamojen | 03-17-2006 06:08 PM |
[QUOTE=uwave]Kostamojen,
I'm all ears. Can you justify your statement a bit?
uwave[/QUOTE]
Sure.
First of all, price. You can get a older Impreza for as low as $1000, or just find a newer 98-01 RS for $6000-8000. Its also not that hard to find an older impreza in very good shape, and even if you do find one with some wear and tear you can do some exterior upgrades for relativly innexpensive along with the interior as well (I'd go with something like JDM v4 seats for the grip, but it depends on the person). You also have the option of a wagon too for family use.
The second issue, is weight. After 96 the coupe/sedan models gained a little weight, but before that most L's are in the 2600lbs range. Compair that to a 3300lbs '06 STI, and you notice a bit of a difference. This weight is interesting because you notice it instantly when compairing it to the newer models in the handling department.
The next thing that you want to do is an engine swap. Some shops are doing WRX swaps for around $5000, but you can even do JDM STI swaps (depending on your state) or just a USDM STI swap, which will cost more, but will be street legal in any state.
The transmission is the next part of this swap, you probably want to go with a 6-speed with your track car, but if you are staying under 300hp a decent 5-speed should be fine. The 6-speed and a turbo motor will add ~150-200lbs to the car, so even at that point you are still around 2800-2900lbs, still significantly lighter than a new gen.
For the suspension, brakes and tires, its basically the same philosophy as the newer models, and there are just as many options. I'd say a nice set of adjustble coilovers will be fine, along with upgrades in the swaybar and bushing departments.
For the brakes, since you have a lighter car, you don't need as much braking power and you will notice less fade than the new models during a track day. The 06 4pot front/2pot rear brakes will work fine, but you can go nutty and get a big brake kit or something like the STI brembos too and have a car that can stop on a time.
Tires are actually the one issue with the older cars, its difficult to fit large tires on the cars due to the track width and fenders. I'm running 225/45/17's myself and you might be able to fit 235's with some custom fender work, but all I had to do was a little but of DIY fender rolling to get them to fit. The stiffness of the suspension will help this cause too.
As for winter use, since you have an older car, its not as big of a worry if it gets dirty or you have to drive it in that weather. I'd just have a spare set of wheels with winter tires availible when needed. And if you get the right suspension, you wont have to worry about ride comfort either and still have a great track day suspension.
Anyway, if you want to do any ressearch on any of this info, just look around some of the tech forums on the board and see what you can find. If you need any other info or have questions, just say so.
I'm all ears. Can you justify your statement a bit?
uwave[/QUOTE]
Sure.
First of all, price. You can get a older Impreza for as low as $1000, or just find a newer 98-01 RS for $6000-8000. Its also not that hard to find an older impreza in very good shape, and even if you do find one with some wear and tear you can do some exterior upgrades for relativly innexpensive along with the interior as well (I'd go with something like JDM v4 seats for the grip, but it depends on the person). You also have the option of a wagon too for family use.
The second issue, is weight. After 96 the coupe/sedan models gained a little weight, but before that most L's are in the 2600lbs range. Compair that to a 3300lbs '06 STI, and you notice a bit of a difference. This weight is interesting because you notice it instantly when compairing it to the newer models in the handling department.
The next thing that you want to do is an engine swap. Some shops are doing WRX swaps for around $5000, but you can even do JDM STI swaps (depending on your state) or just a USDM STI swap, which will cost more, but will be street legal in any state.
The transmission is the next part of this swap, you probably want to go with a 6-speed with your track car, but if you are staying under 300hp a decent 5-speed should be fine. The 6-speed and a turbo motor will add ~150-200lbs to the car, so even at that point you are still around 2800-2900lbs, still significantly lighter than a new gen.
For the suspension, brakes and tires, its basically the same philosophy as the newer models, and there are just as many options. I'd say a nice set of adjustble coilovers will be fine, along with upgrades in the swaybar and bushing departments.
For the brakes, since you have a lighter car, you don't need as much braking power and you will notice less fade than the new models during a track day. The 06 4pot front/2pot rear brakes will work fine, but you can go nutty and get a big brake kit or something like the STI brembos too and have a car that can stop on a time.
Tires are actually the one issue with the older cars, its difficult to fit large tires on the cars due to the track width and fenders. I'm running 225/45/17's myself and you might be able to fit 235's with some custom fender work, but all I had to do was a little but of DIY fender rolling to get them to fit. The stiffness of the suspension will help this cause too.
As for winter use, since you have an older car, its not as big of a worry if it gets dirty or you have to drive it in that weather. I'd just have a spare set of wheels with winter tires availible when needed. And if you get the right suspension, you wont have to worry about ride comfort either and still have a great track day suspension.
Anyway, if you want to do any ressearch on any of this info, just look around some of the tech forums on the board and see what you can find. If you need any other info or have questions, just say so.
| MattSTi | 03-17-2006 06:28 PM |
Here's my vote.
Buy a used WRX, use the difference in price between that and an STi to buy a miata and build it to spec. In my opinion, it really doesn't make sense having a car that does double duty if you can afford to buy a cheap track-dedicated car. In the end, you are putting a lot of money at risk tracking an STi, and even though it has great performance, it's double-duty use will limit the level of safety, performance, and longevity. Also, if you and your fiance ever decide to go wheel-to-wheel, you've already got a race car.
This is the conclusion I have come to regarding tracking my STi.
-Matt
Buy a used WRX, use the difference in price between that and an STi to buy a miata and build it to spec. In my opinion, it really doesn't make sense having a car that does double duty if you can afford to buy a cheap track-dedicated car. In the end, you are putting a lot of money at risk tracking an STi, and even though it has great performance, it's double-duty use will limit the level of safety, performance, and longevity. Also, if you and your fiance ever decide to go wheel-to-wheel, you've already got a race car.
This is the conclusion I have come to regarding tracking my STi.
-Matt
| tsarte | 03-17-2006 06:53 PM |
I have owned and tracked both. Dont mess around just get the STi.
-tony
-tony
| Apex Rex | 03-17-2006 07:06 PM |
I have tracked my '04 WRX at the Glen last year for the first time with the NNJR region of the Porsche Club of America. I was running with a cat-back exhaust, JDM STi "pink" springs, Grp. N strut tops, Perrin rear sway bar (set on its softest setting), Hawk HPS pads, and ATE Super Blue fluid.
I had only 1 problem, the brakes. The HPS pads were worn down to the backing plates with 2 days of use. My solution for this year is another set of rotors to be used solely with Hawk Blue pads and some more ducting to get more air to the center of the rotor.
The brake change in the '06 WRX is the fixed 4-piston front calipers with the fixed 2-piston rear calipers. Rotor sizes remain the same IIRC.
I love tracking my WRX, and running down and passing a 996TT certainly is not a bad thing :p
Just my $.02...
I had only 1 problem, the brakes. The HPS pads were worn down to the backing plates with 2 days of use. My solution for this year is another set of rotors to be used solely with Hawk Blue pads and some more ducting to get more air to the center of the rotor.
The brake change in the '06 WRX is the fixed 4-piston front calipers with the fixed 2-piston rear calipers. Rotor sizes remain the same IIRC.
I love tracking my WRX, and running down and passing a 996TT certainly is not a bad thing :p
Just my $.02...
| Axan | 03-17-2006 07:09 PM |
owned and track both, 02 wrx and 05 sti, the stock sti feels better on the track the my modded wrx did.
| HoRo1 | 03-17-2006 07:10 PM |
If you want a daily driver that also handles the track just get an STi and upgrade the brake fluid and then change the pads for track days. If you get a WRX you'll always be chasing extra HP which you could get out of the box with an STi. Unless of course, you can find a used WRX that's had money spent in the right areas - brakes, gears, suspension, bushings, mounts, rims, tyres and a little extra HP - then its up to you to work out if that represents a better deal.
| dowroa | 03-17-2006 07:24 PM |
IBtrhoppeplugshissponors :)
- dow
- dow
| PKer | 03-17-2006 07:41 PM |
The STi is so much more than just $6000 dollars better. Get it, you won't be disappointed.
| Butt Dyno | 03-17-2006 11:02 PM |
[QUOTE=MattSTi]Here's my vote.
Buy a used WRX, use the difference in price between that and an STi to buy a miata and build it to spec. In my opinion, it really doesn't make sense having a car that does double duty if you can afford to buy a cheap track-dedicated car. In the end, you are putting a lot of money at risk tracking an STi, and even though it has great performance, it's double-duty use will limit the level of safety, performance, and longevity. [/QUOTE]Yep. If you can't afford to wreck an STi I wouldn't track one. And if you can, well, go for it :)
edit: another huge advantage to a dedicated, cheap-ass track car - you have extra $$ for safety equipment like rollbars, seats/harnesses, HANS etc etc
john
Buy a used WRX, use the difference in price between that and an STi to buy a miata and build it to spec. In my opinion, it really doesn't make sense having a car that does double duty if you can afford to buy a cheap track-dedicated car. In the end, you are putting a lot of money at risk tracking an STi, and even though it has great performance, it's double-duty use will limit the level of safety, performance, and longevity. [/QUOTE]Yep. If you can't afford to wreck an STi I wouldn't track one. And if you can, well, go for it :)
edit: another huge advantage to a dedicated, cheap-ass track car - you have extra $$ for safety equipment like rollbars, seats/harnesses, HANS etc etc
john
| Chiketkd | 03-18-2006 09:43 AM |
Ever considered an '06 WRX instead of the '05? It has upgraded suspension, brakes, 17" wheels and a larger engine (compared to the '02-'05 WRX). The STI will be better in every way, but performance wise, the '06 WRX will sit just a few steps behind.
| WillysPU | 03-18-2006 07:24 PM |
I have put around $10k in to my 03 wrx, I love it and I can finally pass most stock Sti's on the track.
Be smart, buy the Sti and don't look back!
Be smart, buy the Sti and don't look back!
| infantsam | 03-19-2006 09:45 AM |
For the most part - get the STi
Plenty of used ones out there that 'normal' people bought thinking it was 'cool' to have the latest thing. Hard suspension etc has them getting tired of it after a year or so and they start looking around for another trend to follow (these weak minded people - I tell you - but thats another post entirely :)
Now they are not the latest thing so they trade em in on whatever is coolest this year. (I dunno what that is but...)
So you'll see these used STi's at the NON-SUBARU dealerships usually. I saw 2 yesterday driving down auto dealer row in my town. I'd bet that many of these cars:
-are/were unmodded
-owned by a non-track person
- and you can get a deal cuz the dealership doesn't really know what they have - and you can play the role.
"Hmmmm - what's this STi thing??
Test drive? Sure why not.
"Wow I never knew Subaru's were this fast - I have a 350Z..... Well how much is this thing? Whats this DCCD btw? It's AWD? - wow this thing ain' t half bad. l - maybe......
Then lowball and see if they bite - they may just want to move it - esp. if you're at say a Lexus dealer or something and it was taken on trade. They like to turn those quick. If they can't move it in a couple by putting it right out front they prolly wholesale it because it's not their typical car.
That said - insurance on a wrx might be 50-100 less per month depending...
That can turn a wrx into an STi pretty quick - thats' what I'm doing. Plus I started w/ a wagon!!
Plenty of used ones out there that 'normal' people bought thinking it was 'cool' to have the latest thing. Hard suspension etc has them getting tired of it after a year or so and they start looking around for another trend to follow (these weak minded people - I tell you - but thats another post entirely :)
Now they are not the latest thing so they trade em in on whatever is coolest this year. (I dunno what that is but...)
So you'll see these used STi's at the NON-SUBARU dealerships usually. I saw 2 yesterday driving down auto dealer row in my town. I'd bet that many of these cars:
-are/were unmodded
-owned by a non-track person
- and you can get a deal cuz the dealership doesn't really know what they have - and you can play the role.
"Hmmmm - what's this STi thing??
Test drive? Sure why not.
"Wow I never knew Subaru's were this fast - I have a 350Z..... Well how much is this thing? Whats this DCCD btw? It's AWD? - wow this thing ain' t half bad. l - maybe......
Then lowball and see if they bite - they may just want to move it - esp. if you're at say a Lexus dealer or something and it was taken on trade. They like to turn those quick. If they can't move it in a couple by putting it right out front they prolly wholesale it because it's not their typical car.
That said - insurance on a wrx might be 50-100 less per month depending...
That can turn a wrx into an STi pretty quick - thats' what I'm doing. Plus I started w/ a wagon!!
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