| Penguinking | 05-03-2004 03:02 PM |
any karters out there?
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i plan on getting into karts this summer and was wondering if anyone had any involvment with karts who could offer some advice. thinking of starting off in the KT100 class of some sort, then maybe next year working my way up to shifters.
mainly interested in road racing though - sprinting is something i will also eventually work my way up to.
thoughts?
Robert
mainly interested in road racing though - sprinting is something i will also eventually work my way up to.
thoughts?
Robert
| DonA | 05-03-2004 03:16 PM |
I was looking into Karting myself. Still want to but don't have $$$ for a kart right now. Plus at 230 pounds I'm too heavy to be competative.
Look into TAG (Touch-and-Go) classes. They have more power than the KT100 & as a bonus have push button electric start, hence TAG.
If I had my choice I would run a margay chassis and a Parilla Leopard Motor.
Guess it depends on what classes are in your area
Look into TAG (Touch-and-Go) classes. They have more power than the KT100 & as a bonus have push button electric start, hence TAG.
If I had my choice I would run a margay chassis and a Parilla Leopard Motor.
Guess it depends on what classes are in your area
| jmott | 05-03-2004 03:20 PM |
there are no karting classes with weight equalization?
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-03-2004 03:24 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott[/i]
[B] there are no karting classes with weight equalization? [/B][/QUOTE]
all of the classes minimum weights are with driver, they even have "heavy" classes.
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[url=http://www.worldkarting.com/]WKA[/url]
[B] there are no karting classes with weight equalization? [/B][/QUOTE]
all of the classes minimum weights are with driver, they even have "heavy" classes.
[url=http://www.skusaonline.com/]SKUSA[/url]
[url=http://www.worldkarting.com/]WKA[/url]
| DonA | 05-03-2004 04:03 PM |
[QUOTE]all of the classes minimum weights are with driver, they even have "heavy" classes.[/QUOTE]
Right but even with those regs the lighter 160, 170 pound drivers have a huge advantage. 50 pounds is a lot of weight in karting!
example a 194 pound TaG kart has a min weight of 370 pounds with driver. So anyone over 174 pounds is extra weight, in my case 54 extra pounds.
I need a good reason to diet anyway :p
Right but even with those regs the lighter 160, 170 pound drivers have a huge advantage. 50 pounds is a lot of weight in karting!
example a 194 pound TaG kart has a min weight of 370 pounds with driver. So anyone over 174 pounds is extra weight, in my case 54 extra pounds.
I need a good reason to diet anyway :p
| AlpineFD | 05-03-2004 04:08 PM |
beyond the basics, can karting skills really transfer into road racing a car? I noticed you have to brake real deep when racing karts, they can do that since brakes are in the rear.
| DonA | 05-03-2004 04:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AlpineFD[/i]
[B] beyond the basics, can karting skills really transfer into road racing a car? I noticed you have to brake real deep when racing karts, they can do that since brakes are in the rear. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes the important basics all apply. Thats why most good drivers you will see started out in karting.
Petter Solberg is one of those drivers
[B] beyond the basics, can karting skills really transfer into road racing a car? I noticed you have to brake real deep when racing karts, they can do that since brakes are in the rear. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes the important basics all apply. Thats why most good drivers you will see started out in karting.
Petter Solberg is one of those drivers
| Penguinking | 05-03-2004 04:26 PM |
karts are totally different handling than cars, but alot of the skills transfer over to openwheel racing. look at the Champ car ladder progression:
Kart stars of tomorrow series
Formula Dodge
Barber Dodge Pro
Toyota Atlantic
CART
and somewhere they manage to squeeze in formula BMW now
anyways, how do costs compare: TAG vs. KT100? i know tags are more expensive to start out with, but weekend maintenence can really bite u in the butt if you're running yamahas.
Kart stars of tomorrow series
Formula Dodge
Barber Dodge Pro
Toyota Atlantic
CART
and somewhere they manage to squeeze in formula BMW now
anyways, how do costs compare: TAG vs. KT100? i know tags are more expensive to start out with, but weekend maintenence can really bite u in the butt if you're running yamahas.
| DonA | 05-03-2004 04:40 PM |
margay quoted $4750 for a turn key Brava 1.4 & Parilla motor
I had a line on a used Margay 1.2 Limo (Chassis I really wanted) for $1400 less motor
the Parilla retails for close to $2000
But failed to come up with the dough
From talking with people the KT100 is a lot of work and if you don't have the $$$ for built motors it can be frustrating
Thats why I was heading for TaG
Plus TaG karts are quicker
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I had a line on a used Margay 1.2 Limo (Chassis I really wanted) for $1400 less motor
the Parilla retails for close to $2000
But failed to come up with the dough
From talking with people the KT100 is a lot of work and if you don't have the $$$ for built motors it can be frustrating
Thats why I was heading for TaG
Plus TaG karts are quicker
Not a bad deal here [URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46105&item=2477053614&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46105&item=2477053614&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW[/URL]
| Dussander | 05-03-2004 04:54 PM |
It is best to run the class which has the most competition at your local venue. It is also recommended to run what your local shop has, since you will get much easier service and parts.
I completely ignored my above advice. :)
I know a couple of guys who have lost a lot of weight after getting into karting.
I completely ignored my above advice. :)
I know a couple of guys who have lost a lot of weight after getting into karting.
| Penguinking | 05-03-2004 05:04 PM |
"buying a used kart" - should you look for a complete kart? or is it better to find, for example, a good chassis. then go looking for a good motor to go with it?
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-03-2004 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Penguinking[/i]
[B] "buying a used kart" - should you look for a complete kart? or is it better to find, for example, a good chassis. then go looking for a good motor to go with it? [/B][/QUOTE]
beware used karts.
An autocrosser who also happens to race karts was telling me about the teardown process he does yearly and the dozens of cracks that have to be welded up to make it drivable again. Remember the flex of the chassis is the chassis' suspension, the flex (and the ensuing cracks) are designed into the chassis. The big time pro kart guys in Europe will destroy a chassis or two in one race weekend.
[B] "buying a used kart" - should you look for a complete kart? or is it better to find, for example, a good chassis. then go looking for a good motor to go with it? [/B][/QUOTE]
beware used karts.
An autocrosser who also happens to race karts was telling me about the teardown process he does yearly and the dozens of cracks that have to be welded up to make it drivable again. Remember the flex of the chassis is the chassis' suspension, the flex (and the ensuing cracks) are designed into the chassis. The big time pro kart guys in Europe will destroy a chassis or two in one race weekend.
| Dussander | 05-03-2004 05:56 PM |
New karts are stupid expensive. If you can find a "good" used kart, then go for that. I had to change a lot of stuff on my kart (seat, reworked the cooling system, etc) but I love the kart and have had no real problems with it. It would be best to have an experienced karter look over a used kart for you.
I would recommend a complete used kart since you won't really know how to set one up without some experience.
ekartingnews.com is a great source of info.
I would recommend a complete used kart since you won't really know how to set one up without some experience.
ekartingnews.com is a great source of info.
| Penguinking | 05-03-2004 06:46 PM |
thanks dussander - i've already been posting on that site for a few weeks now, its a great source of info - tons of helpful folks, alot like the nasioc
| Do_It_Sidewayz | 05-03-2004 07:15 PM |
i've been racing karts since i was 12. i'm now 19. I was actually the Canadian Champion in my class in 2002
Whoever told you that karts need to be re-welded. their kart is a piece of crap. Any kart that needs to be disassembled and re-welded then fixed to race is a piece of junk and not worth investing any money in
Rotax max is a great class to get started in. Motors go for around 2,700 CDN. so whatever that is in USD
Whoever told you that karts need to be re-welded. their kart is a piece of crap. Any kart that needs to be disassembled and re-welded then fixed to race is a piece of junk and not worth investing any money in
Rotax max is a great class to get started in. Motors go for around 2,700 CDN. so whatever that is in USD
| Lafora | 05-03-2004 08:10 PM |
i just started this year. actually sold off all my summer car stuff to go into karts.
running two classes: rookie league that's arrive and drive. the karts run stock honda 4 stroke GX200s
and Rotax Senior.
biggest adjustment to overcome is how late and deep you can brake and how much grip those things have.
other than that, the adjustment has been pretty straightforward.
the rotax i run is a year old. it's used. it's a 2003 motor, and i havne't had it grenade on me thus far.
running two classes: rookie league that's arrive and drive. the karts run stock honda 4 stroke GX200s
and Rotax Senior.
biggest adjustment to overcome is how late and deep you can brake and how much grip those things have.
other than that, the adjustment has been pretty straightforward.
the rotax i run is a year old. it's used. it's a 2003 motor, and i havne't had it grenade on me thus far.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-03-2004 08:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Do_It_Sidewayz[/i]
[B]Whoever told you that karts need to be re-welded. their kart is a piece of crap. Any kart that needs to be disassembled and re-welded then fixed to race is a piece of junk and not worth investing any money in[/B][/QUOTE]
so they never get cracks?
[B]Whoever told you that karts need to be re-welded. their kart is a piece of crap. Any kart that needs to be disassembled and re-welded then fixed to race is a piece of junk and not worth investing any money in[/B][/QUOTE]
so they never get cracks?
| afpdl | 05-03-2004 08:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott[/i]
[B] there are no karting classes with weight equalization? [/B][/QUOTE]
Even in the heavier classes the lighter you are the more advantage you have since you get to distribute the weight wherever you want.
[B] there are no karting classes with weight equalization? [/B][/QUOTE]
Even in the heavier classes the lighter you are the more advantage you have since you get to distribute the weight wherever you want.
| Penguinking | 05-03-2004 09:25 PM |
Lafora - if you don't mind me asking, how much is it costing you to run your rotax kart? i like the idea of a sealed spec engine, but the upfront costs are too high for me to consider it for this summer. was wondering what your thoughts were for the future
| Lafora | 05-03-2004 10:09 PM |
I didn't pay for the kart. The whole thing (chassis + motor) is on loan from the guy that runs the club. I pay for tires and other wear and tear maintainence, and I have to give the kart back at the end of the season.
That's the only reason why i'm running another class, cuz the deal seems very reasonable. Granted, I don't own the chassis, but it kept my startup costs down which was what I was looking for.
So far I've spent about 500 ish. That's just to get a kart stand, a new set of tires, a set of used wheels, oil and lube, carb jets, sprockets and a spare chain.
Gonna look into getting a commercial / cargo van by next season so I can actually haul more stuff around. My club also have a deal where if you buy (or finance) a new chassis from them, they loan you the motor free of charge. The chassis IIRC was something like 3 + grand Cdn, I don't think I'll do that next season. Might pickup another used kart or see if I can "loan" another 04 chassis.
If the chance is there for me to not to have to BUY a kart. I'd rather have fairly up-to-date equipment than actually owning the equipment.
That's the only reason why i'm running another class, cuz the deal seems very reasonable. Granted, I don't own the chassis, but it kept my startup costs down which was what I was looking for.
So far I've spent about 500 ish. That's just to get a kart stand, a new set of tires, a set of used wheels, oil and lube, carb jets, sprockets and a spare chain.
Gonna look into getting a commercial / cargo van by next season so I can actually haul more stuff around. My club also have a deal where if you buy (or finance) a new chassis from them, they loan you the motor free of charge. The chassis IIRC was something like 3 + grand Cdn, I don't think I'll do that next season. Might pickup another used kart or see if I can "loan" another 04 chassis.
If the chance is there for me to not to have to BUY a kart. I'd rather have fairly up-to-date equipment than actually owning the equipment.
| sdecker | 05-04-2004 08:30 AM |
Robert -- don't forget that there is a Formula 125 class in Atlanta region autox. That would be a cheap way to get some seat time and chassis setup. I have the kart rules for Solo II if you want to see them...
There are also KT100 and Briggs classes, but it looks like those are for the kids (8-15).
Will you be heading down to Barnesville for extra seat time? You can practice with pretty much anything...but they only have certain types of racing classes. Be aware of that before you purchase.
In my case, I bought a used kart for my son because frankly, I didn't want to drop 3+ grand on something he's never done and might hate. I ended up paying 850 bucks for his, with a bunch of extras in the bargain. After safety gear, I'm looking at roughly 1000 bucks to get him started. Not cheap, but not 3000 either.
Scott
There are also KT100 and Briggs classes, but it looks like those are for the kids (8-15).
Will you be heading down to Barnesville for extra seat time? You can practice with pretty much anything...but they only have certain types of racing classes. Be aware of that before you purchase.
In my case, I bought a used kart for my son because frankly, I didn't want to drop 3+ grand on something he's never done and might hate. I ended up paying 850 bucks for his, with a bunch of extras in the bargain. After safety gear, I'm looking at roughly 1000 bucks to get him started. Not cheap, but not 3000 either.
Scott
| Penguinking | 05-04-2004 11:53 AM |
gimme a few weeks to find a kart and i'll head down with you to barnesville no problem. not so sure about racing there - i hear the competitive scene there is slowly dying, and its mainly good as a test track (which is all i really plan to use it for - seat time)
i'll have a much better idea where i stand after i goto roebling. then i'll be thinking about getting a kart and such. there are two main road racing divisons in the south.
[url]www.bigsouthseries.com[/url]
[url]www.southernroadracing.com[/url]
the big south runs at little talladega, CMP, road atlanta, while the southern road series is held at roebling road. between those two series i can be sure to have lots of racing on my schedule. i checked the classes and they do offer what i'm looking for, the only question is whether those are popular classes in the division
i'll have a much better idea where i stand after i goto roebling. then i'll be thinking about getting a kart and such. there are two main road racing divisons in the south.
[url]www.bigsouthseries.com[/url]
[url]www.southernroadracing.com[/url]
the big south runs at little talladega, CMP, road atlanta, while the southern road series is held at roebling road. between those two series i can be sure to have lots of racing on my schedule. i checked the classes and they do offer what i'm looking for, the only question is whether those are popular classes in the division
| sdecker | 05-04-2004 11:59 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Penguinking [/i]
[B]gimme a few weeks to find a kart and i'll head down with you to barnesville no problem. not so sure about racing there - i hear the competitive scene there is slowly dying, and its mainly good as a test track (which is all i really plan to use it for - seat time)
i'll have a much better idea where i stand after i goto roebling. then i'll be thinking about getting a kart and such. there are two main road racing divisons in the south.
[url]www.bigsouthseries.com[/url]
[url]www.southernroadracing.com[/url]
the big south runs at little talladega, CMP, road atlanta, while the southern road series is held at roebling road. between those two series i can be sure to have lots of racing on my schedule. i checked the classes and they do offer what i'm looking for, the only question is whether those are popular classes in the division [/B][/QUOTE]
It's all about seat time, seat time, seat time. I'll be going to Barnesville just to get practice for my son. Racing is incidental -- if they happen to have a class he can run in, I might let him do it after an appropriate amount of practice.
Too bad neither of us is interested in dirt track. There are a plethora of those around here. :rolleyes:
Gee, I wonder why?
[B]gimme a few weeks to find a kart and i'll head down with you to barnesville no problem. not so sure about racing there - i hear the competitive scene there is slowly dying, and its mainly good as a test track (which is all i really plan to use it for - seat time)
i'll have a much better idea where i stand after i goto roebling. then i'll be thinking about getting a kart and such. there are two main road racing divisons in the south.
[url]www.bigsouthseries.com[/url]
[url]www.southernroadracing.com[/url]
the big south runs at little talladega, CMP, road atlanta, while the southern road series is held at roebling road. between those two series i can be sure to have lots of racing on my schedule. i checked the classes and they do offer what i'm looking for, the only question is whether those are popular classes in the division [/B][/QUOTE]
It's all about seat time, seat time, seat time. I'll be going to Barnesville just to get practice for my son. Racing is incidental -- if they happen to have a class he can run in, I might let him do it after an appropriate amount of practice.
Too bad neither of us is interested in dirt track. There are a plethora of those around here. :rolleyes:
Gee, I wonder why?
| Penguinking | 05-12-2004 05:34 PM |
Scott- just got back from an awesome karting weekend at Roebling Road. gave me a much better idea about karts in general. read about it in the southeast forum thread.
| Streetman | 05-12-2004 08:27 PM |
You guys wanna try your hand at indoor karting? I'm setting up an event the night before the USGP in June. Check it out here: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=558197[/url]
| WRX03 | 05-13-2004 09:34 AM |
Robert here's the best advice I would give anyone starting out in karting, go to several local (not special) races and tracks and see what's popular. I've been racing since the 80's and class sizes very over time. When I started out pipe Yamaha on dirt was huge(15-25 average), and there were good turn outs in control and opens 2-cycle. Now you're lucky to get 3 turnouts. Cross the state line and Yamaha's on dirt are still going strong. In local sprinters, 2-cycle died and made a huge come back to be the most popular classes and the briggs died.
Find out what others are doing first, because you might find yourself racing against only a few and/or limited to a certain track.
[URL=http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387566/Throttle009.jpg]KartPic[/URL]
Find out what others are doing first, because you might find yourself racing against only a few and/or limited to a certain track.
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| Dussander | 05-13-2004 12:16 PM |
Here are some pics from my last race:
[url]http://dussander.com/cgi-bin/album.pl?photo=motorsports/karting/DSCN0952.JPG[/url]
[url]http://dussander.com/cgi-bin/album.pl?photo=motorsports/karting/DSCN0952.JPG[/url]
| WRX03 | 05-13-2004 01:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]Here are some pics from my last race:
[/B][/QUOTE]
Just 4 karts in your class? :(
[B]Here are some pics from my last race:
[/B][/QUOTE]
Just 4 karts in your class? :(
| Dussander | 05-13-2004 01:48 PM |
Yeah, the shifter class is small at BTK. Last race we had 7. BTK is pretty small in general.
| Dussander | 05-13-2004 01:50 PM |
I got 4th place! :)
My throttle cable got loose in the final and got jammed up underneath the kart, thus holding it wide open. So, I had to pull of and stall the engine with the brake. I actually had a chance at 2nd, though that was only because the guy who should have been in second stalled out on the start.
My throttle cable got loose in the final and got jammed up underneath the kart, thus holding it wide open. So, I had to pull of and stall the engine with the brake. I actually had a chance at 2nd, though that was only because the guy who should have been in second stalled out on the start.
| WRX03 | 05-14-2004 07:08 AM |
:( I ended up going to the slower can class because that is where all the action is. The old folks can class has the largest turnouts and those grandpaws are some of the most ruthless SOB's you ever want to race against. Who said seniors have delayed reaction times. They may not bumper kart like a kid, but they sure like rubbing and pushing. :lol:
Robert, here locally, the KT-100 has picked back up because it can be slowed way down for the kids by using a tiny carb, then they can move up to a 3 hole can exhaust, 4 hole, last pipe. It allow budget racer to share the kart by switching exhaust to run another class. Some will switch during the race or switch from week to week.
Vince
Robert, here locally, the KT-100 has picked back up because it can be slowed way down for the kids by using a tiny carb, then they can move up to a 3 hole can exhaust, 4 hole, last pipe. It allow budget racer to share the kart by switching exhaust to run another class. Some will switch during the race or switch from week to week.
Vince
| Penguinking | 05-15-2004 01:35 PM |
heres my situation:
being located in Atlanta, there isnt much karting closeby. specifically, sprint karting, at least. however, i AM closeby to several long tracks which makes enduro racing more feasible. examples: Road Atlanta, little talladega, Roebling, Kershaw, (VIR sortof), Lowes, Barber.
the problem: i really like the upright karts, the traditional ones that look like the sprint karts, or Dussander's kart for example. but i don't see too many of those running long track - reason why anyone? i really want to get a kart chassis like that but for some reason im not seeing too many of those around the long tracks.
being located in Atlanta, there isnt much karting closeby. specifically, sprint karting, at least. however, i AM closeby to several long tracks which makes enduro racing more feasible. examples: Road Atlanta, little talladega, Roebling, Kershaw, (VIR sortof), Lowes, Barber.
the problem: i really like the upright karts, the traditional ones that look like the sprint karts, or Dussander's kart for example. but i don't see too many of those running long track - reason why anyone? i really want to get a kart chassis like that but for some reason im not seeing too many of those around the long tracks.
| WRX03 | 05-24-2004 06:49 AM |
Reason for your area? Locally the seat up sprinters still have some good size classes in the association that runs the enduro karts. Thought about oval racing?
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