| dead-eye | 04-22-2005 07:55 PM |
Anyone try making a dual outlet exhaust?
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I'm not talking about dual-tip exhausts but rather 2 separate exhaust tips (with their own muffler sections) like you see on Audis and Jaguars. I'd also like to know if anyone's tried using a dual exhaust like those seen on 350Z's (2 tips sharing one muffler)?
| Homerisking | 04-22-2005 08:05 PM |
SS was wanting some feedback on this and apparently got handed a flame suit....pure rice IMO. HIN show car stuff....just my .02
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750877&highlight=dual+exhaust[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750877&highlight=dual+exhaust[/url]
| Cole | 04-22-2005 08:28 PM |
Member #43?! You have my attention.....but you lost me at 'dual exhaust'.....
| millerbc | 04-22-2005 08:40 PM |
what would be the point given that all the exhaust must merge pefore the turbo any ways.... i guess if you had some weird twin turbo then you coudl run dual exhaust but one turbo to me mean one pipe to the back....
Also, you are dubling the weight of the exhaust system so anygain woudl be cancled out by the extra weight for the most part.
Also, you are dubling the weight of the exhaust system so anygain woudl be cancled out by the extra weight for the most part.
| Homerisking | 04-22-2005 08:48 PM |
I can hear mcowger runing to his keyboard as we we speak... :lol:
| offset | 04-22-2005 08:51 PM |
Well, if you notice it looks like he has an RS which would normally mean no turbo. So dual exhaust makes a little more sense. Of course anyone running dual exhaust AND dual turbos would get my attention.
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| dead-eye | 04-25-2005 07:16 PM |
Cole, if you look at Audi's, they have 2 exhaust tips along with 2 mufflers. You can also take a look at the new Legacy which has the dual exhaust.
I read the following post: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...ht=dual+exhaust[/url] and noted all the criticisms. IMO, the dual setup is not ricy as long as it looks OEM (I've seen some aftermarket/DIY dual setups on other cars which hang waaay below the bumper) . I'm not a turbo expert (though my car has one) but I think it could also help relieve backpressure in turbo'ed cars without having to resort to the "pineapple shooter" look of some mufflers. I know it would require some creative welding along with a new swaybar to clear the extra piping. To combat weight issues, titanium would probably be the way to go. If anyone has anything helpful to add, please post. As for flamers, please go elsewhere.
FYI, I'm not a SUPERSTREET-reading, NAAAWS-smoking. minimum-wage earning high-school student. I'm a 30+year-old, married, physician trying to give my faithful, but dated-looking GM6 a new look while I convince the wife that we really do need to trade her '98 Camry in for a Supra :)
P.S. I've got nothing against minimum-wage earning students (I pushed carts at Dominick's for $2.68/hour in highschool after trying my hand at telemarketing at Olan Mills for 3 days and then dispensing drinks at Sizzler for 2 days. I later moved on to working for K-mart at 2 different locations while in college).
I read the following post: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...ht=dual+exhaust[/url] and noted all the criticisms. IMO, the dual setup is not ricy as long as it looks OEM (I've seen some aftermarket/DIY dual setups on other cars which hang waaay below the bumper) . I'm not a turbo expert (though my car has one) but I think it could also help relieve backpressure in turbo'ed cars without having to resort to the "pineapple shooter" look of some mufflers. I know it would require some creative welding along with a new swaybar to clear the extra piping. To combat weight issues, titanium would probably be the way to go. If anyone has anything helpful to add, please post. As for flamers, please go elsewhere.
FYI, I'm not a SUPERSTREET-reading, NAAAWS-smoking. minimum-wage earning high-school student. I'm a 30+year-old, married, physician trying to give my faithful, but dated-looking GM6 a new look while I convince the wife that we really do need to trade her '98 Camry in for a Supra :)
P.S. I've got nothing against minimum-wage earning students (I pushed carts at Dominick's for $2.68/hour in highschool after trying my hand at telemarketing at Olan Mills for 3 days and then dispensing drinks at Sizzler for 2 days. I later moved on to working for K-mart at 2 different locations while in college).
| 2ndGearFling | 04-25-2005 11:35 PM |
I think if done right without cans it would be good.....Maybe a new bumper with places for both sides?
| millerbc | 04-26-2005 12:05 AM |
if you didn't have to merge for a turbo than it would be a cool idea... umm, i would sugest a h pipe or a cross over like old muscle car to help even pressure...
You could do it... but it might be costly, you'd ne to start off with new header flanges or maybe cut up an old header and know someonw that is really good with a welding worch and willing to help cut and weld mandrel bend until you get everything plumbed.
You could do it... but it might be costly, you'd ne to start off with new header flanges or maybe cut up an old header and know someonw that is really good with a welding worch and willing to help cut and weld mandrel bend until you get everything plumbed.
| ranger5oh | 04-26-2005 12:11 AM |
What would be the point? If you run TTs, then yes, otherwise you are just adding weight and complexity.
| svek | 04-26-2005 12:18 AM |
what about custom separate headers, combined with an X-pipe around wehre the cat would be. this would get the most power i think.
| Blue Rabbit 02 | 04-26-2005 01:39 AM |
what about a y pipe run near the end of the exhaust to 2 straight pipes for tips?
also, the rear bumper would need to be mod'd to accomodate two tips.
also, the rear bumper would need to be mod'd to accomodate two tips.
| offset | 04-26-2005 08:41 AM |
[QUOTE=Blue Rabbit 02]what about a y pipe run near the end of the exhaust to 2 straight pipes for tips?[/QUOTE]
Then the only thing you are doing is adding weight for the appearance of dual exhaust. There will be no performance increase (actually you could have a slight decrease due to weight); therefore it will be called rice.
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Then the only thing you are doing is adding weight for the appearance of dual exhaust. There will be no performance increase (actually you could have a slight decrease due to weight); therefore it will be called rice.
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| subieworx | 04-26-2005 09:26 AM |
[QUOTE=ranger5oh]What would be the point? If you run TTs, then yes, otherwise you are just adding weight and complexity.[/QUOTE]
If if one was running TT's you would still want to bring them together in an X or H pipe to equalize exhaust flow. As someone stated muscle cars have been doing this for years. Do they really need dual exhaust? No, after the X or H pipe they could condesnse the flow into one large pipe, but instead they tend to divert it back to two smaller pipes. Why? It looks cool.
If if one was running TT's you would still want to bring them together in an X or H pipe to equalize exhaust flow. As someone stated muscle cars have been doing this for years. Do they really need dual exhaust? No, after the X or H pipe they could condesnse the flow into one large pipe, but instead they tend to divert it back to two smaller pipes. Why? It looks cool.
| MikeBuzzsaw | 04-26-2005 10:17 AM |
[QUOTE=Cole]Member #43?! You have my attention.....but you lost me at 'dual exhaust'.....[/QUOTE]
I have a dream! That one day, people will not be judged by the rank of their membership, but the content of their character.
Why is that everyone judges people by their member number/status.
I have a dream! That one day, people will not be judged by the rank of their membership, but the content of their character.
Why is that everyone judges people by their member number/status.
| MikeWRX-NJ | 04-26-2005 10:27 AM |
it's been done.
[url]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11392&highlight=dual+exhaust[/url]
if you need to register for the pics let me know and ill host them myself.
honestly it's the purest form of rice. Does nothing for performance, adds weight to the car for no reason and is totally for looks. BUT if that's what you want, then do it.
[url]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11392&highlight=dual+exhaust[/url]
if you need to register for the pics let me know and ill host them myself.
honestly it's the purest form of rice. Does nothing for performance, adds weight to the car for no reason and is totally for looks. BUT if that's what you want, then do it.
| USF97J4x4 | 04-26-2005 10:34 AM |
What bout if we do 6 tips!!!! no 8!!!!, that would be SWEET!!!
And then , we could make our cars fold up into little briefcases! Yes! And take them into work!!!
(ew... double exhaust = rice)
And then , we could make our cars fold up into little briefcases! Yes! And take them into work!!!
(ew... double exhaust = rice)
| WRXPRESS | 04-26-2005 11:20 AM |
[QUOTE=MikeBuzzsaw]I have a dream! That one day, people will not be judged by the rank of their membership, but the content of their character.
Why is that everyone judges people by their member number/status.[/QUOTE]
first you get de number....then you get de power....then you get de wemen..
don't hate us cause we had nothing else to do 5 years before you...newbie... :p
Why is that everyone judges people by their member number/status.[/QUOTE]
first you get de number....then you get de power....then you get de wemen..
don't hate us cause we had nothing else to do 5 years before you...newbie... :p
| mbiker97 | 04-26-2005 12:48 PM |
^^ :lol:
I would actually like a dual exhaust since you can run 2 quieter mufflers but still get very little back pressure.
I would actually like a dual exhaust since you can run 2 quieter mufflers but still get very little back pressure.
| dead-eye | 04-28-2005 08:08 PM |
[QUOTE=MikeBuzzsaw]I have a dream! That one day, people will not be judged by the rank of their membership, but the content of their character.
Why is that everyone judges people by their member number/status.[/QUOTE]
So . . . what are you saying about my character ;) ?
Thanks so far to everyone who's replied. It's a big relief to ask a question and not get the knee-jerk "if it's not performance related, it sucks" response that has become extremely common on this board. Performance is very important but so are: practicality, price and palatability (looks). Take away practicality and price and you get : McClaren F1/Mercedes SLR/Porsche Carrera GT etc. Take away performance and palatability and you get: Honda Element/Nissan Cube/Toyota Scion/any Saturn.
To those who think it's "rice", would you say that the Legacy GT, Audi RS-4/S4, BMW M3, Mazda RX-8 are ricey? Probably not since their exhausts are well integrated into their rear bumpers; that is the look I am going for: well integrated. Performance considerations are secondary as long as their is no adverse effect (weight would be minimized by using titanium; I already reduced the weight of the car 3 years ago by replacing the front bumper with the lightweight version and by using a lightweight battery; heck, I even tossed out the rear speakers).
No more "rice" comments please. Anyone who has seen my car knows I am very "rice" averse.
Why is that everyone judges people by their member number/status.[/QUOTE]
So . . . what are you saying about my character ;) ?
Thanks so far to everyone who's replied. It's a big relief to ask a question and not get the knee-jerk "if it's not performance related, it sucks" response that has become extremely common on this board. Performance is very important but so are: practicality, price and palatability (looks). Take away practicality and price and you get : McClaren F1/Mercedes SLR/Porsche Carrera GT etc. Take away performance and palatability and you get: Honda Element/Nissan Cube/Toyota Scion/any Saturn.
To those who think it's "rice", would you say that the Legacy GT, Audi RS-4/S4, BMW M3, Mazda RX-8 are ricey? Probably not since their exhausts are well integrated into their rear bumpers; that is the look I am going for: well integrated. Performance considerations are secondary as long as their is no adverse effect (weight would be minimized by using titanium; I already reduced the weight of the car 3 years ago by replacing the front bumper with the lightweight version and by using a lightweight battery; heck, I even tossed out the rear speakers).
No more "rice" comments please. Anyone who has seen my car knows I am very "rice" averse.
| Davenow | 04-28-2005 08:12 PM |
it IS rice, because the car didnt come with it. Its a 100% looks only, wannabe V8, zero performance mod.
Your argument for the Legacy GT, RS-4/s4 M3 and such is weak at best, as those cars ALL CAME STOCK WITH DUAL EXHAUST. Its not rice if its factory and tasteful.
Oh and btw, all those cars motors flow a lot more air than yours.
Dont bother with any weight savings as if you REALLY cared you would be doing a single titanium muffler. ANd going to weak bumper beams, sacrificing safety in order to do a mod that offers NO benefit is idiotic at best. Have you seen the damage done on VERY small impacts on light beam'd cars?
You are basically ensuring that your car will be VERY seriously damaged on what would have otherwise been a small fender bender. I have been hit hard enough from behind to knock my radar detector off the windshield. It left a couple scratches. With a light beam the trunk would have been mashed.
Your argument for the Legacy GT, RS-4/s4 M3 and such is weak at best, as those cars ALL CAME STOCK WITH DUAL EXHAUST. Its not rice if its factory and tasteful.
Oh and btw, all those cars motors flow a lot more air than yours.
Dont bother with any weight savings as if you REALLY cared you would be doing a single titanium muffler. ANd going to weak bumper beams, sacrificing safety in order to do a mod that offers NO benefit is idiotic at best. Have you seen the damage done on VERY small impacts on light beam'd cars?
You are basically ensuring that your car will be VERY seriously damaged on what would have otherwise been a small fender bender. I have been hit hard enough from behind to knock my radar detector off the windshield. It left a couple scratches. With a light beam the trunk would have been mashed.
| brizey | 04-28-2005 09:49 PM |
Sorry Dave, but you think the M3 exhaust is tasteful? JK, I get your point, but I personally think that the exhausts look dumb on those cars as well.
For everyone else:
Also, I would say "dual-outlet" exahaust.
Dual cylinder bank cars can have a true dual exhaust. The dual exhaust serves another purpose: space!!!. The smaller pipes are easier to route to the back of the car. Yes, they usually merge in a cross-over pipe to further reduce back-pressure. Read a Mustang forum (search for Bassani X-pipe) for more info on how a cross-over works.
For everyone else:
Also, I would say "dual-outlet" exahaust.
Dual cylinder bank cars can have a true dual exhaust. The dual exhaust serves another purpose: space!!!. The smaller pipes are easier to route to the back of the car. Yes, they usually merge in a cross-over pipe to further reduce back-pressure. Read a Mustang forum (search for Bassani X-pipe) for more info on how a cross-over works.
| cefoskey | 04-28-2005 11:22 PM |
we did a Y pipe to dual mufflers on an older grand am SE once, not true dual by any means though.
This could easily be done on a rex, if you used the correct size mufflers (we used dynomax super turbos). It helps to have a friend who is amazing with a TIG welder as well. The bumper cutout wasnt too bad either using a coping saw and a dremel with a sanding drum. Ill see if I can dig up some pics.
plus, i havent looked yet, but has anyone thought of using a transverse muffler with dual outlets?
This could easily be done on a rex, if you used the correct size mufflers (we used dynomax super turbos). It helps to have a friend who is amazing with a TIG welder as well. The bumper cutout wasnt too bad either using a coping saw and a dremel with a sanding drum. Ill see if I can dig up some pics.
plus, i havent looked yet, but has anyone thought of using a transverse muffler with dual outlets?
| deebo | 04-29-2005 12:05 AM |
just because the car didnt come with it from the factory doesnt mean if you add it then its rice.. clearing your headlights or buying clear turnsignals would be rice then too right?
and btw i dont like the dual exhaust setup
and btw i dont like the dual exhaust setup
| MikeWRX-NJ | 04-29-2005 10:01 AM |
anything that doesn't make the care go,turn or stop faster is rice in my book.
<--- guilty of rice. :lol:
<--- guilty of rice. :lol:
| Calamity Jesus | 04-29-2005 10:51 AM |
The e30 M3 engine benefits most from a dual parallel exhaust with an X-pipe. It's an inline 4 cylinder with a similar displacement to the RS. There is only one muffler in the parallel design. I'll go with the BMW engineers on this one. An extra muffler is just a waste.
[img]http://www.e30shop.de/auspuffk.jpg[/img]
A similar system for the RS would be sweet. :D
[img]http://www.e30shop.de/auspuffk.jpg[/img]
A similar system for the RS would be sweet. :D
| offset | 04-29-2005 11:19 AM |
My definition of rice is anything that looks like it should add performance but doesn't. Kind of like how a PepBoys wing adds more weight than real downforce. Or a BOV sound generator on a NA car. Or a FMIC core with no piping coming from it. A dual exhuast on a single turbod car would not add any performance and would actually add weight, but is typically thought to be better performance when seen. Of course I won't flame anyone who wants something to look like they want it to for themselves.
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| Davenow | 04-29-2005 11:24 AM |
[QUOTE=deebo] buying clear turnsignals would be rice then too right?
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Yup
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| Davenow | 04-29-2005 11:24 AM |
[QUOTE=brizey]Sorry Dave, but you think the M3 exhaust is tasteful? JK, I get your point, but I personally think that the exhausts look dumb on those cars as well.
For everyone else:
Also, I would say "dual-outlet" exahaust.
Dual cylinder bank cars can have a true dual exhaust. The dual exhaust serves another purpose: space!!!. The smaller pipes are easier to route to the back of the car. Yes, they usually merge in a cross-over pipe to further reduce back-pressure. Read a Mustang forum (search for Bassani X-pipe) for more info on how a cross-over works.[/QUOTE]
M3's exhaust note is :eek: :eek: I love it.
For everyone else:
Also, I would say "dual-outlet" exahaust.
Dual cylinder bank cars can have a true dual exhaust. The dual exhaust serves another purpose: space!!!. The smaller pipes are easier to route to the back of the car. Yes, they usually merge in a cross-over pipe to further reduce back-pressure. Read a Mustang forum (search for Bassani X-pipe) for more info on how a cross-over works.[/QUOTE]
M3's exhaust note is :eek: :eek: I love it.
| dead-eye | 04-29-2005 06:48 PM |
Davenow,
Relax. Your post is exactly what I wanted to avoid. Did you bother to read my post which is directly above yours? Probably not, hence the "knee-jerk" response. I said I was interested in it mostly for the looks because my GM6 looks dated. My argument about the other cars stated that they look good because the exhausts are well-integrated. I want the same look (factory and tasteful). Why does everything on this board have to be about "performance"? Maybe from now on, the moderators should ban any vendor from selling non-performance products. Yep, that'll ban about %50 of the products sold on this board.
I know some of the pros/cons about the lightweight bumper beam. I posted (over a year ago) about the lightweight beams and after installing it, I cautioned others that it would be a big safety and insurance risk. I even said that the beam probably wouldn't hold up to a 1mph hit. I also inquired (over a year ago) about the titanium exhausts (Bozz Speed T1 and T1 pro).
Less than 6 months after I bought the car, I ordered a Minnam Stage 1 turbo kit and had TAD install it so I do care a little about performance. As I've said before, I'm not a turbo expert nor am I a Subaru expert but that doesn't mean I don't care about my car. Sorry if my choice of performance mods doesn't sit well with you. I use this car daily so I can't afford to turn it into a gutted, cat-less, roll-caged performance machine. Like most people on this board, I do what I can afford to do at the time. Not everyone can let their car sit in the shop for 3-6 months while the engine is swapped out. Not everyone is skilled enough to do the swap themselves.
Again, keep this thread mature. Read all previous posts first.
Relax. Your post is exactly what I wanted to avoid. Did you bother to read my post which is directly above yours? Probably not, hence the "knee-jerk" response. I said I was interested in it mostly for the looks because my GM6 looks dated. My argument about the other cars stated that they look good because the exhausts are well-integrated. I want the same look (factory and tasteful). Why does everything on this board have to be about "performance"? Maybe from now on, the moderators should ban any vendor from selling non-performance products. Yep, that'll ban about %50 of the products sold on this board.
I know some of the pros/cons about the lightweight bumper beam. I posted (over a year ago) about the lightweight beams and after installing it, I cautioned others that it would be a big safety and insurance risk. I even said that the beam probably wouldn't hold up to a 1mph hit. I also inquired (over a year ago) about the titanium exhausts (Bozz Speed T1 and T1 pro).
Less than 6 months after I bought the car, I ordered a Minnam Stage 1 turbo kit and had TAD install it so I do care a little about performance. As I've said before, I'm not a turbo expert nor am I a Subaru expert but that doesn't mean I don't care about my car. Sorry if my choice of performance mods doesn't sit well with you. I use this car daily so I can't afford to turn it into a gutted, cat-less, roll-caged performance machine. Like most people on this board, I do what I can afford to do at the time. Not everyone can let their car sit in the shop for 3-6 months while the engine is swapped out. Not everyone is skilled enough to do the swap themselves.
Again, keep this thread mature. Read all previous posts first.
| ATX25RS | 04-29-2005 08:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]it IS rice, because the car didnt come with it. Its a 100% looks only, wannabe V8, zero performance mod.
Your argument for the Legacy GT, RS-4/s4 M3 and such is weak at best, as those cars ALL CAME STOCK WITH DUAL EXHAUST. Its not rice if its factory and tasteful.[/QUOTE]
damn i agree with dead-eye, not everything is about performance. if that was case all cars would be fast and look the same. thats boring. i personally like to have my car look different. hence me driving around with 2 PIAA Ion 520's and 2 Hella 500's mounted on the front of my RS. there is a reason the aftermarket um...market :D is such a big business. besides why spend all you money on performance when you wont use it even 25% of the time you are driving. if you use all your performance all the time, unless you are a full time racer, you are a ricer. that means a hard accelaration from street light to street light.
There is really no need to drive around town with a 12 sec is there? no, but its nice to have. just like style is. hell i may never get my RS up to 300hp or below even 14sec at the track. so i might as well make it look nice. IN MY EYES!! that is what matters to me :D
so i say go for the dual and post pics when you are done.
Your argument for the Legacy GT, RS-4/s4 M3 and such is weak at best, as those cars ALL CAME STOCK WITH DUAL EXHAUST. Its not rice if its factory and tasteful.[/QUOTE]
damn i agree with dead-eye, not everything is about performance. if that was case all cars would be fast and look the same. thats boring. i personally like to have my car look different. hence me driving around with 2 PIAA Ion 520's and 2 Hella 500's mounted on the front of my RS. there is a reason the aftermarket um...market :D is such a big business. besides why spend all you money on performance when you wont use it even 25% of the time you are driving. if you use all your performance all the time, unless you are a full time racer, you are a ricer. that means a hard accelaration from street light to street light.
There is really no need to drive around town with a 12 sec is there? no, but its nice to have. just like style is. hell i may never get my RS up to 300hp or below even 14sec at the track. so i might as well make it look nice. IN MY EYES!! that is what matters to me :D
so i say go for the dual and post pics when you are done.
| David Medina | 04-30-2005 02:10 AM |
[QUOTE=ATX25RS]so i say go for the dual and post pics when you are done.[/QUOTE]
yea, ditto that.
wonder if it would affect the sound any.
yea, ditto that.
wonder if it would affect the sound any.
| distorto | 04-30-2005 02:54 PM |
if you want it for yourself and it is nice in your eyes, don't ask for opinions. just do it.
| ChicksDigWagons | 04-30-2005 03:13 PM |
Talk about hypocritical people on this board. Subaru's in general may not be the most attractive cars around but damn if people don't care about how it looks. You can always tell the lame rice police when they cop out by saying "If the car came with it its okay" which then extends to "If its a JDM OEM part its okay" then "If its JDM its okay" etc etc... Just annoying.
I say you go for it, the look and complexity isn't my bag but some of us are reasonable enough not to go around busting others chops for being different or wanting something unusual. Heck, the reality of it is I don't want other people to have the same exact car as mine! So when I paint it primer gray to get rid of the two tone Green/Gray feel free to call me rice :rolleyes:
I say you go for it, the look and complexity isn't my bag but some of us are reasonable enough not to go around busting others chops for being different or wanting something unusual. Heck, the reality of it is I don't want other people to have the same exact car as mine! So when I paint it primer gray to get rid of the two tone Green/Gray feel free to call me rice :rolleyes:
| brizey | 04-30-2005 04:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]M3's exhaust note is :eek: :eek: I love it.[/QUOTE]
I6's always sound good. I just don't dig the center-mounted exhaust tips. It looks too...contrived...like they were placed there just to get your attention, which, of course, they were.
I6's always sound good. I just don't dig the center-mounted exhaust tips. It looks too...contrived...like they were placed there just to get your attention, which, of course, they were.
| dead-eye | 05-02-2005 07:00 PM |
Keep the suggestions coming. I'm still doing research on the best way to accomplish this. I'm also looking for a shop with experience welding titanium. I'd also need a new swaybar because any additional piping will hit the existing sway bar. I've got a set of shop manuals so I can find out what that black box is on the right hand side of the bumper. I think it's been discussed but I can't find the thread.
| FXT22 | 05-02-2005 10:31 PM |
Here's an idea that I have toyed with: dual exhausts, but with the additional pipe controlled by one of those electronic cut-outs...standard, muffled sound for 99.9% of the time on the street, un-muffled (and hopefully more powerful) for those short bursts at opportune times :devil:
| mcowger | 05-02-2005 10:39 PM |
neat idea!
| Cole | 05-03-2005 09:07 AM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]it IS rice, because the car didnt come with it. Its a 100% looks only, wannabe V8, zero performance mod.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
I guess JDM foglights & wing means my car = [img]http://www.suburbanhomeboy.com/admin/img/Chinese%20food%20box.jpg[/img]
Wow.
I guess JDM foglights & wing means my car = [img]http://www.suburbanhomeboy.com/admin/img/Chinese%20food%20box.jpg[/img]
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