| Jon Bogert | 09-23-2006 01:11 PM |
Are SA95 helmets legal for anything anymore?
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Have two old ones that I was going to donate for autocross or something, but they're more than 10yrs out of date by now. Do any orgs allow SA95 helmets for anything?
| jcroy66 | 09-23-2006 01:17 PM |
SCCA definitely allows SA95 helmets for solo. I even heard (but cannot confirm) that the SCCA club racing rules were recently changed and SA95 helmets are still allowed for club racing as well.
| JnJassociates | 09-23-2006 03:39 PM |
According to the SCCA for Solo, you can use any Snell approved helmet that meets current (SA05) and two preceding stnandards past...
So a SA95 helmet would work...
For club racing, come January, they will not be valid for use.
Why would you want to use a 10 year old helmet?
Unless it is in a slow car going down the local 1/4 mile, it might make more sense to buy a much newer helmet.
You only get one head (that holds your brain). :)
Bryan
So a SA95 helmet would work...
For club racing, come January, they will not be valid for use.
Why would you want to use a 10 year old helmet?
Unless it is in a slow car going down the local 1/4 mile, it might make more sense to buy a much newer helmet.
You only get one head (that holds your brain). :)
Bryan
| trhoppe | 09-24-2006 01:31 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66;15354887]SCCA definitely allows SA95 helmets for solo. I even heard (but cannot confirm) that the SCCA club racing rules were recently changed and SA95 helmets are still allowed for club racing as well.[/QUOTE]
Negative on the club racing. They just got kicked for club racing in the latest fastrack.
-Tom
who wonders how a 10 year old helmet smells
Negative on the club racing. They just got kicked for club racing in the latest fastrack.
-Tom
who wonders how a 10 year old helmet smells
| MRF582 | 09-24-2006 02:31 AM |
[QUOTE=JnJassociates;15355906]
Why would you want to use a 10 year old helmet?
Unless it is in a slow car going down the local 1/4 mile, it might make more sense to buy a much newer helmet.
You only get one head (that holds your brain). :)
[/QUOTE]
How many times in the past has a helmet been needed to protect the driver's head when it comes to autoxing? And what is the probability of it happening again?
If i'm not mistaken, more (higher percentage) people have died of head trauma driving to work than autoxing on a weekend. Perhaps we should all wear SA2005 helmets everytime we drive considering the risks are higher while daily driving on the streets.
Why would you want to use a 10 year old helmet?
Unless it is in a slow car going down the local 1/4 mile, it might make more sense to buy a much newer helmet.
You only get one head (that holds your brain). :)
[/QUOTE]
How many times in the past has a helmet been needed to protect the driver's head when it comes to autoxing? And what is the probability of it happening again?
If i'm not mistaken, more (higher percentage) people have died of head trauma driving to work than autoxing on a weekend. Perhaps we should all wear SA2005 helmets everytime we drive considering the risks are higher while daily driving on the streets.
| GarySheehan | 09-24-2006 10:00 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe;15360024]who wonders how a 10 year old helmet smells[/QUOTE]
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Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
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Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
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| jweiss | 09-24-2006 10:41 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]who wonders how a 10 year old helmet smells[/QUOTE]
It smells like.... victory.
It smells like.... victory.
| Jon Bogert | 09-24-2006 03:39 PM |
[quote]wonders how a 10 year old helmet smells[/quote]LOL--and a rally helmet at that. After Maine I would just sit there with a garden hose spraying them and watching the filth drain off.
Still, I think that wearing a well-used helmet will quickly and aromatically demonstrate to a beginner that amateur motorsports isn't only glamour and babes. :lol:
Still, I think that wearing a well-used helmet will quickly and aromatically demonstrate to a beginner that amateur motorsports isn't only glamour and babes. :lol:
| racerjon1 | 09-24-2006 04:32 PM |
My 10 year old helmet is rough.. not so much in smell (I try to do tricks to minimize that after events) But the interior has just worn out. When the nomex lining is turning to dust and gets in your eyes thats bad mkay?
(yes, that helmet is retired now)
Jon K
(yes, that helmet is retired now)
Jon K
| TeRonde | 09-24-2006 05:17 PM |
Edit.
| MRF582 | 09-24-2006 06:02 PM |
[QUOTE=TeRonde;15364827]I saw a wreck at the local autox today. From watching it happen, it looks like the helmet may have helped. That is the second crash I have seen in the 10 events I have been at (over the last 9 years). I agree that incidents rarely happen in autoxing but it sure is nice to have proper protection in case it does. When was the last time you were in a car accident? Why bother wearing you seatbelt...[/QUOTE]
Please describe how the accident happened, how badly the car was damaged etc. Any pictures of the accident?
Statistically speaking there is a higher chance of being involved in an accident while driving on the streets and there is documented evidence that seatbelts save lives. I think we can all agree on this.
Please give me statistical evidence of a helmet saving an Autoxers head or preventing head trauma. Of course, if you drive a convertible, the chances of head injury may be more.
Please describe how the accident happened, how badly the car was damaged etc. Any pictures of the accident?
Statistically speaking there is a higher chance of being involved in an accident while driving on the streets and there is documented evidence that seatbelts save lives. I think we can all agree on this.
Please give me statistical evidence of a helmet saving an Autoxers head or preventing head trauma. Of course, if you drive a convertible, the chances of head injury may be more.
| racerjon1 | 09-24-2006 06:18 PM |
[QUOTE=MRF582;15365188]Please give me statistical evidence of a helmet saving an Autoxers head or preventing head trauma. Of course, if you drive a convertible, the chances of head injury may be more.[/QUOTE]
Crashes in Autocrossing notwithstanding, I am sure I have been saved from at least minor injuries in autocrosses by my helmet. A couple of times in a violent spin or quick transition I have had my head (helmet) strike the interior of the car with enough force to be very attention getting. Without the helmet, a bruise or cut may have come from it..
..or my head being a couple inches thinner without said hemlet might not have hit at all.. guess what, not a chance I care to second-guess.
As far as evidence, it will be hard if not impossible to prove what if any injury might have been protected in the event of any crash.
I get bugged when I hear every NASCAR driver get out of a crash and says "If it wasn't for the SAFER Barrier/Head and neck restraint.. etc I would have been dead for sure."
Would they have been dead? Probably not, for every driver didn't die in every impact before the advent of such safety measures anyway.
What is for sure is that injuries are less overall and less severe with helmets/SAFER barriers/head and neck restraints, so if you're smart, you put the things on and trust that you are that much more protected when that 1/100 or 1/50 or 1/1,000,000 hit happens.
Jon K
Crashes in Autocrossing notwithstanding, I am sure I have been saved from at least minor injuries in autocrosses by my helmet. A couple of times in a violent spin or quick transition I have had my head (helmet) strike the interior of the car with enough force to be very attention getting. Without the helmet, a bruise or cut may have come from it..
..or my head being a couple inches thinner without said hemlet might not have hit at all.. guess what, not a chance I care to second-guess.
As far as evidence, it will be hard if not impossible to prove what if any injury might have been protected in the event of any crash.
I get bugged when I hear every NASCAR driver get out of a crash and says "If it wasn't for the SAFER Barrier/Head and neck restraint.. etc I would have been dead for sure."
Would they have been dead? Probably not, for every driver didn't die in every impact before the advent of such safety measures anyway.
What is for sure is that injuries are less overall and less severe with helmets/SAFER barriers/head and neck restraints, so if you're smart, you put the things on and trust that you are that much more protected when that 1/100 or 1/50 or 1/1,000,000 hit happens.
Jon K
| racerjon1 | 09-24-2006 06:22 PM |
[QUOTE=MRF582;15365188]Please describe how the accident happened, how badly the car was damaged etc. Any pictures of the accident?
[/QUOTE]
A description would be good, also the club and organization it was with, but please don't post pictures. Insurance in this country is tough, and sites are hard enough to come by. You post pictures, and all the sudden 10 other message boards have them up, without proper descriptions, attributed to the wrong club, etc..
I have seen that 100,000 people autocross each year in North America, but what makes the "extreme video!!" shows? The one where the vette runs over a course worker sitting down.. When people see this that's the impression they take, so don't help promote the tabloid aspect.
Jon K
[/QUOTE]
A description would be good, also the club and organization it was with, but please don't post pictures. Insurance in this country is tough, and sites are hard enough to come by. You post pictures, and all the sudden 10 other message boards have them up, without proper descriptions, attributed to the wrong club, etc..
I have seen that 100,000 people autocross each year in North America, but what makes the "extreme video!!" shows? The one where the vette runs over a course worker sitting down.. When people see this that's the impression they take, so don't help promote the tabloid aspect.
Jon K
| MRF582 | 09-24-2006 06:53 PM |
Well said.
| PA04STI | 09-24-2006 10:20 PM |
[QUOTE]who wonders how a 10 year old helmet smells[/QUOTE]
Nothing like ice hockey equipment.
Try smelling it...You sweet like hell in it and can't clean it only dry it & usually in the winter sorry NO drying cause then you would freeze in it when you put it on
In college we had a closet where we would store it or in our car. Good way to pick up ladies cause your car would smell like ****...actually **** smells better.
The closet would be great we'd have people go in it when they didn't believe how bad it smelled.
Matt
Nothing like ice hockey equipment.
Try smelling it...You sweet like hell in it and can't clean it only dry it & usually in the winter sorry NO drying cause then you would freeze in it when you put it on
In college we had a closet where we would store it or in our car. Good way to pick up ladies cause your car would smell like ****...actually **** smells better.
The closet would be great we'd have people go in it when they didn't believe how bad it smelled.
Matt
| racerjon1 | 09-24-2006 10:26 PM |
For helmet care, there are a few tricks I use.
First, I use a balaclava when my helmet is on. Sometimes people look at me funny when I have a balaclava on at an autocross, but it works to soak up much of the sweat and is easier to wash, and it takes up some friction from going on and off.
Second, when I get home from an event and I have been in the helmet a while, a good thing to do is put a cup of baking soda and put the helmet over it, this helps pull moisture away.
Some helmets, Bell for instance, come apart and the lining can be washed. I know that my Bell helmets have been able to do that. Some off brands the linings are glued in, so this won't work. I am not sure about Simpson and other name brands.
Jon K
First, I use a balaclava when my helmet is on. Sometimes people look at me funny when I have a balaclava on at an autocross, but it works to soak up much of the sweat and is easier to wash, and it takes up some friction from going on and off.
Second, when I get home from an event and I have been in the helmet a while, a good thing to do is put a cup of baking soda and put the helmet over it, this helps pull moisture away.
Some helmets, Bell for instance, come apart and the lining can be washed. I know that my Bell helmets have been able to do that. Some off brands the linings are glued in, so this won't work. I am not sure about Simpson and other name brands.
Jon K
| Jon Bogert | 09-24-2006 11:28 PM |
If the lining it attached, suds it up and rinse, but then use something like this to dry it. Works great.
[url]http://www.dryguy.net/PRD_DG9.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.dryguy.net/PRD_DG9.htm[/url]
| Mykl | 09-24-2006 11:42 PM |
You can try putting your helmet in the dishwasher and then letting it sit and dry out. I've never done this myself, but when I used to ride I had heard of other motorcyclists doing this with no problems
| JnJassociates | 09-25-2006 12:39 PM |
[QUOTE=MRF582;15360405]How many times in the past has a helmet been needed to protect the driver's head when it comes to autoxing? And what is the probability of it happening again?
If i'm not mistaken, more (higher percentage) people have died of head trauma driving to work than autoxing on a weekend. Perhaps we should all wear SA2005 helmets everytime we drive considering the risks are higher while daily driving on the streets.[/QUOTE]
The question was in general. It included club racing as well... Which would make the 10 year old helmet useless.
Helmets, like most everything else age. Your point is well taken...But why would you considering wearing a 10 year old helmet, considering how inexpensive helmets have become? Do you feel after 10 years you did not get your money's worth?
You are more then welcome to wear a helmet on your daily drive on the street... Live and let live I say... ;)
For those interested in learning more about helmets, go to the Snell site.
[url]http://www.smf.org/[/url]
Bryan
If i'm not mistaken, more (higher percentage) people have died of head trauma driving to work than autoxing on a weekend. Perhaps we should all wear SA2005 helmets everytime we drive considering the risks are higher while daily driving on the streets.[/QUOTE]
The question was in general. It included club racing as well... Which would make the 10 year old helmet useless.
Helmets, like most everything else age. Your point is well taken...But why would you considering wearing a 10 year old helmet, considering how inexpensive helmets have become? Do you feel after 10 years you did not get your money's worth?
You are more then welcome to wear a helmet on your daily drive on the street... Live and let live I say... ;)
For those interested in learning more about helmets, go to the Snell site.
[url]http://www.smf.org/[/url]
Bryan
| AndyRoo | 09-25-2006 01:24 PM |
As an almost completely broke college student, a donated SA95 helmet would be much appreiciated, and used ONLY for auto-x. i would find something else for track days in the event i could actually pay for them.
although i would clean the hell out of it after reading this thread.
- drew
[SIZE="1"]hint hint[/SIZE]
although i would clean the hell out of it after reading this thread.
- drew
[SIZE="1"]hint hint[/SIZE]
| jweiss | 09-25-2006 01:26 PM |
[QUOTE=AndyRoo;15373927]As an almost completely broke college student, a donated SA95 helmet would be much appreiciated, and used ONLY for auto-x. i would find something else for track days in the event i could actually pay for them.
although i would clean the hell out of it after reading this thread.
- drew
[SIZE="1"]hint hint[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Not free, but close:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1095598[/url]
although i would clean the hell out of it after reading this thread.
- drew
[SIZE="1"]hint hint[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Not free, but close:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1095598[/url]
| akuhner | 09-25-2006 02:13 PM |
[QUOTE=MRF582;15365188]Please give me statistical evidence of a helmet saving an Autoxers head or preventing head trauma. Of course, if you drive a convertible, the chances of head injury may be more.[/QUOTE]
It's not always about statistical risk, some rules address only liability and insurance. Sure, it's highly unlikely that you'd [B][U]need[/U][/B] your helmet at auto-x, but if you did and weren't wearing it that would play heavily against the sanctioning body if the incident ended up in court.
There's also a message (or two) to be sent with helmets at auto-x. It drives home the fact that there are risks at all levels of motorsport. It reminds drivers that this isn't just you and your buddies doing donuts in a parking lot. It also says that safety is the top priority.
I think that in addition to updating helmet standards, rules should be added about proper fitting. If upgrade to SA05 but are wearing an XL when you are really an M you aren't any better off (which probably happens all the time with loaner helmets).
It's not always about statistical risk, some rules address only liability and insurance. Sure, it's highly unlikely that you'd [B][U]need[/U][/B] your helmet at auto-x, but if you did and weren't wearing it that would play heavily against the sanctioning body if the incident ended up in court.
There's also a message (or two) to be sent with helmets at auto-x. It drives home the fact that there are risks at all levels of motorsport. It reminds drivers that this isn't just you and your buddies doing donuts in a parking lot. It also says that safety is the top priority.
I think that in addition to updating helmet standards, rules should be added about proper fitting. If upgrade to SA05 but are wearing an XL when you are really an M you aren't any better off (which probably happens all the time with loaner helmets).
| Jon Bogert | 09-25-2006 02:14 PM |
LOL--Drew, are you a pinhead (size M, my wife's) or a fathead (size XXL, mine)? If so, PM me your address.
| MRF582 | 09-25-2006 02:22 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187;15374712]
I think that in addition to updating helmet standards, rules should be added about proper fitting. If upgrade to SA05 but are wearing an XL when you are really an M you aren't any better off (which probably happens all the time with loaner helmets).[/QUOTE]
Good point. 100% agreed.
I think that in addition to updating helmet standards, rules should be added about proper fitting. If upgrade to SA05 but are wearing an XL when you are really an M you aren't any better off (which probably happens all the time with loaner helmets).[/QUOTE]
Good point. 100% agreed.
| AndyRoo | 09-25-2006 02:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Jon Bogert;15374721]LOL--Drew, are you a pinhead (size M, my wife's) or a fathead (size XXL, mine)? If so, PM me your address.[/QUOTE]
wow....awesome! PMing you now. :)
- drew
wow....awesome! PMing you now. :)
- drew
| DILLIGAF Racing | 09-25-2006 02:38 PM |
[QUOTE=MRF582;15360405]How many times in the past has a helmet been needed to protect the driver's head when it comes to autoxing? And what is the probability of it happening again?
If i'm not mistaken, more (higher percentage) people have died of head trauma driving to work than autoxing on a weekend. Perhaps we should all wear SA2005 helmets everytime we drive considering the risks are higher while daily driving on the streets.[/QUOTE]
FYI, a car rolled at a local autox a while back, so it can happen.
If i'm not mistaken, more (higher percentage) people have died of head trauma driving to work than autoxing on a weekend. Perhaps we should all wear SA2005 helmets everytime we drive considering the risks are higher while daily driving on the streets.[/QUOTE]
FYI, a car rolled at a local autox a while back, so it can happen.
| racerjon1 | 09-25-2006 02:53 PM |
[QUOTE=DILLIGAF Racing;15375112]FYI, a car rolled at a local autox a while back, so it can happen.[/QUOTE]
Yep, it can for sure. I have seen three cars roll at autocrosses, and another two get WAY up....
The first one I saw roll was at a non-SCCA event, and the course would not have been approved by an SCCA Safety steward. (trees lining the course, 70-mph speeds + novice driver in TT 300z.)
The next two crashes were SCCA events, one was a stock focus with a driver that figured he could make it through a set of offsets with his foot on the floor. that car actually tumbled. The third was an a-mod car at Solo Nationals, situation was a tight right hander, most of the A-mods were picking up the inside tires anyway, as one of them came through and did it, a HUGE gust of wind came up (I had to hold myself in place) and basically flipped the car forward over itself.
The two that almost went over, an E-Stock Saturn (you have probably seen the pictures) and then my E-Stock CRX at 2001 nationals, which probably went as high as the Saturn but no-one got pictures other than a video, so I am not internet-famous. (I think when I braced for the flip I thought was coming I pulled the wheel just enough to set the car back down)
Jon K
Yep, it can for sure. I have seen three cars roll at autocrosses, and another two get WAY up....
The first one I saw roll was at a non-SCCA event, and the course would not have been approved by an SCCA Safety steward. (trees lining the course, 70-mph speeds + novice driver in TT 300z.)
The next two crashes were SCCA events, one was a stock focus with a driver that figured he could make it through a set of offsets with his foot on the floor. that car actually tumbled. The third was an a-mod car at Solo Nationals, situation was a tight right hander, most of the A-mods were picking up the inside tires anyway, as one of them came through and did it, a HUGE gust of wind came up (I had to hold myself in place) and basically flipped the car forward over itself.
The two that almost went over, an E-Stock Saturn (you have probably seen the pictures) and then my E-Stock CRX at 2001 nationals, which probably went as high as the Saturn but no-one got pictures other than a video, so I am not internet-famous. (I think when I braced for the flip I thought was coming I pulled the wheel just enough to set the car back down)
Jon K
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