| Jsortor | 09-18-2004 09:30 AM |
As promised, The real scoop on the FK-451's
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As most of you already know, Tom Hoppe did very well this last week using the Falken FK-451 tire. I was a little skeptical about how/why Falken would build this tire with supposedly the same rubber compound being used in the Falken Sport. I contacted Falkens lead tire engineer (who I have even had meetings with since I work in the industry) and he gave me the scoop on the tire. Every aspect of the construction is different than the Sport because the FK had to meet Germanys super high speed performance tests for sales in that country. The rubber compounds are also completely different, however, they have seen very good results from competition use when shaved. The Sports rubber compound is superior in dry grip and reaches optimal operating tempuratures quicker (thats why they work good cool, and overshoot their performance peak when hot), which means the FK affords a little less grip, but is has a higher peak performance temperature range. Hoppe tested and showed the tire to be something like 3-7 tenths faster on a 60sec course. I would speculate that the 245 width nullified the loss of grip due to the compound difference compared to the 225 Sport, and the additional advantage of the shorter tire, 35 aspect ratio, was the reason for the quicker times.
| MNbiker | 09-18-2004 09:58 AM |
Thanks for the info Josh! That would explain why the FK's seem to perform best with a little bit of heat in them. All I know is...I like 'em! :D
-Steve
-Steve
| trojan9x | 09-18-2004 10:43 AM |
So I suppose these are another tire that need to be Sprayed a little between runs?
| PhilC | 09-18-2004 11:41 AM |
So...the question of the day is now weight and actual diameter. On Wednesday we put a set of 225/45-17s on a 7.5" rim up next to Tom's 245/35-17s on an 8" rim and it was a pretty amazing difference to me. The GR-Betas were at LEAST an inch shorter and looked to be most of an inch wider as well. Tom isn't kidding when he says that the 225s won't fit under the fender of his car when the 245s are on it, they are that much smaller diameter.
Tom also claimed that the car is 40 pounds lighter on the scales with the GR-Betas, 10 pounds unsprung per corner can make a huge difference but I'd be amazed if it actually was that much even if the Azenis Sport is a heavy tire. I'd like to find out how much it really is without ordering a set and using the bathroom scale.
It seems to me that this might be an awesome choice for the Pros next year, not so much worry with the 3rd and 4th runs being on overhot Azenis and having lined up against Steve for most of the weekend I can tell you that the gearing advantage off the line seemed to make a BIG difference, you could clearly hear him grabbing second before I was even with his raised limiter.
Then again it looks to me like a 245/35-17 is one of the listed sizes for the new Azenis Sports and I think that might be the best of all worlds, except maybe weight. Ugh...need to work for Discount Tire to try these things out, good thing we have Josh to try for us and to contact manufacturers for the skinny.
Tom also claimed that the car is 40 pounds lighter on the scales with the GR-Betas, 10 pounds unsprung per corner can make a huge difference but I'd be amazed if it actually was that much even if the Azenis Sport is a heavy tire. I'd like to find out how much it really is without ordering a set and using the bathroom scale.
It seems to me that this might be an awesome choice for the Pros next year, not so much worry with the 3rd and 4th runs being on overhot Azenis and having lined up against Steve for most of the weekend I can tell you that the gearing advantage off the line seemed to make a BIG difference, you could clearly hear him grabbing second before I was even with his raised limiter.
Then again it looks to me like a 245/35-17 is one of the listed sizes for the new Azenis Sports and I think that might be the best of all worlds, except maybe weight. Ugh...need to work for Discount Tire to try these things out, good thing we have Josh to try for us and to contact manufacturers for the skinny.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-18-2004 11:46 AM |
There's an easy solution for all of this:
Buy a Civic.
:lol:
Buy a Civic.
:lol:
| MNbiker | 09-18-2004 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=TeamSlowdotOrg]There's an easy solution for all of this:
Buy a Civic.
:lol:[/QUOTE]
Bring it on, Honduh boy! :lol: :lol:
Buy a Civic.
:lol:[/QUOTE]
Bring it on, Honduh boy! :lol: :lol:
| MNbiker | 09-18-2004 12:16 PM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]Then again it looks to me like a 245/35-17 is one of the listed sizes for the new Azenis Sports and I think that might be the best of all worlds, except maybe weight. [/QUOTE]
IMHO - if Falken offers a 245/35-17 Azenis Sport next year, it will be THE autox tire to have for STX.
-Steve
IMHO - if Falken offers a 245/35-17 Azenis Sport next year, it will be THE autox tire to have for STX.
-Steve
| Jsortor | 09-18-2004 12:30 PM |
[QUOTE=MNbiker]IMHO - if Falken offers a 245/35-17 Azenis Sport next year, it will be THE autox tire to have for STX.
-Steve[/QUOTE]
I would think so too. Falken would once again corner the market....... :lol:
-Steve[/QUOTE]
I would think so too. Falken would once again corner the market....... :lol:
| NeoteriX | 09-19-2004 10:08 AM |
Jsortor, can you give any insight, based on your experience how the 451s as a street tire, stack up against the other more expensive tires? There are some that suggest that despite the price, they are comparable to offerings like the F1 GS-D1s, Pilot Sports, etc. Others suggest that the performance is consistent with its pricing -- budget summer tire, just like the ES100s.
| trhoppe | 09-19-2004 11:52 AM |
Don't have time to respond with more right now, but I will answer on the weight.
My car with 225/45/17 Azenis and stock seats - 2959lbs
My car with 245/35/17 FKs with 3lb each heavier wheels and kirkey (15lb loss) pass seat - 2924lbs
My guess - 8lbs a tire lighter :)
-Tom
My car with 225/45/17 Azenis and stock seats - 2959lbs
My car with 245/35/17 FKs with 3lb each heavier wheels and kirkey (15lb loss) pass seat - 2924lbs
My guess - 8lbs a tire lighter :)
-Tom
| makofoto | 09-19-2004 12:25 PM |
Josh ... Tom ... any comments on the Falken ST-115 in 235/40/17
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url]
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url]
| spiralsmurf | 09-19-2004 02:01 PM |
it seems like its 2lbs lighter per wheel and 8lbs lighter total. i'm gonna contact my local distributor tomorrow and see what some of those would cost me wholesale.
| KC | 09-19-2004 02:13 PM |
And it has begun. :) Sometimes, I wish I had just kept my mouth shut about the tires at last years nationals. However, in a case of having a few people test them along with myself, I let the cat out of the bag at Ruby Tuesdays on a night last year at nationals. Yes, we've known for over a year now about these tires. Steve, Tom, and one or two others were present and I told the same story that was told to me from someone who used to work for Falken NA.... the shorter gearing helps. The grip on the tires are just shy of Azenis level, but the gearing out of corners more than compensates. Add to that their 'water grooves', it makes them a killer wet tire for the Street class, and a very good match to the Azenis in the dry, with the capability of outperforming them on certain elements of the course.
Here's the best part for WRX and RS drivers... the smallest size is a 16" tire. For the most part, national level Civics won't be wanting the tires. However, they level the playing field just a bit more for us and the RS with the gearing. And the fact that they come in a bajillion sizes.... well let's just say there's more fun to be had for cars next year. :devil:
I run a 225/35-17 as my shorty tire and the 245/45-16 as my regular gearing tire. I think that 245/35-17 is the magic combination of width and gearing.
I was running them all year locally, with no national events on them until Nats (due to work issues) but if I run STX next year, or a ST class... I'll definitely be back on the FK-451s (unless they come with shorties for Azenis).
The revolution has begun!
--kC
"I love it when a plan comes together" - Hannibal Smith.
Here's the best part for WRX and RS drivers... the smallest size is a 16" tire. For the most part, national level Civics won't be wanting the tires. However, they level the playing field just a bit more for us and the RS with the gearing. And the fact that they come in a bajillion sizes.... well let's just say there's more fun to be had for cars next year. :devil:
I run a 225/35-17 as my shorty tire and the 245/45-16 as my regular gearing tire. I think that 245/35-17 is the magic combination of width and gearing.
I was running them all year locally, with no national events on them until Nats (due to work issues) but if I run STX next year, or a ST class... I'll definitely be back on the FK-451s (unless they come with shorties for Azenis).
The revolution has begun!
--kC
"I love it when a plan comes together" - Hannibal Smith.
| TeamSlowdotOrg | 09-19-2004 03:10 PM |
I don't buy 8 lbs per tire, that's the difference between 205/50-15 and 275/40-17 710's. Scale and fuel load differences (Steve is always talking about the gauge being inaccurate) are my guess on the big weight difference.
Also, on sizing: The 245/35-17 would be a great tire for an STX Honduh, aside from the larger moment of inertia. They're only 23.7" tall when shaved and that's only a little taller than the 215/45-16 Azenis. :) Getting them to fit would involve essentially the same crap as Todd went through to get the 16's to fit, only with a whole lot more width. The 225/35-17 is perfect for an STS 88-91 Civic, once again if they're willing to take the weight penalty.
Teh backfired! :lol:
Also, on sizing: The 245/35-17 would be a great tire for an STX Honduh, aside from the larger moment of inertia. They're only 23.7" tall when shaved and that's only a little taller than the 215/45-16 Azenis. :) Getting them to fit would involve essentially the same crap as Todd went through to get the 16's to fit, only with a whole lot more width. The 225/35-17 is perfect for an STS 88-91 Civic, once again if they're willing to take the weight penalty.
Teh backfired! :lol:
| KC | 09-19-2004 03:33 PM |
t3h gr4p 0n |\/|y B00sT!!11
| ChrisDP | 09-19-2004 03:49 PM |
How much does a shaved 245/35/17 451 weigh? My 5Zigen/MX combo of 17x8 and 245/40/17 weighs 36.5 pounds... the wheels are supposed to be 16.5-17lbs, which means either the wheel is LIGHTER than advertised, or the low-tread Kumho is about 20lbs. Weighed on a medical scale so I don't think it could be all that inaccurate.
| Midnight_Gold | 09-19-2004 03:51 PM |
I'll weigh them when I take them off the car.
Tranny busted again so its going down for a while :rolleyes:
Teh backfired?? You mean teh succeeded :)
-Tom
Tranny busted again so its going down for a while :rolleyes:
Teh backfired?? You mean teh succeeded :)
-Tom
| Jsortor | 09-19-2004 08:27 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisDP]How much does a shaved 245/35/17 451 weigh? My 5Zigen/MX combo of 17x8 and 245/40/17 weighs 36.5 pounds... the wheels are supposed to be 16.5-17lbs, which means either the wheel is LIGHTER than advertised, or the low-tread Kumho is about 20lbs. Weighed on a medical scale so I don't think it could be all that inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
The 5-Zigen wheels in 17x8 48offset are 17.0 lbs. (35et are 16.5, go figure). The FK-451 in 245/40-17 and 245/45-16 were 26.5lbs, did not have a 245/35-17 on hand for weighing. These weights were at full tread depth. I would expect no more than 2 lbs lighter for the 35 aspect FK's at full tread depth but that is an estimate. Azenis Sport in 225/45-17 was also 26.5 lbs at full tread depth on my scale for reference. BFG KD's were 27.5 in 245/40-17.
The 5-Zigen wheels in 17x8 48offset are 17.0 lbs. (35et are 16.5, go figure). The FK-451 in 245/40-17 and 245/45-16 were 26.5lbs, did not have a 245/35-17 on hand for weighing. These weights were at full tread depth. I would expect no more than 2 lbs lighter for the 35 aspect FK's at full tread depth but that is an estimate. Azenis Sport in 225/45-17 was also 26.5 lbs at full tread depth on my scale for reference. BFG KD's were 27.5 in 245/40-17.
| Jsortor | 09-19-2004 08:33 PM |
[QUOTE=NeoteriX]Jsortor, can you give any insight, based on your experience how the 451s as a street tire, stack up against the other more expensive tires? There are some that suggest that despite the price, they are comparable to offerings like the F1 GS-D1s, Pilot Sports, etc. Others suggest that the performance is consistent with its pricing -- budget summer tire, just like the ES100s.[/QUOTE]
I have no actual experience driving on the tire. I have heard good things about its street performance from customers however. My opinion is that as long as it is not a noisy tire, does not vibrate (not prone to be out-of-round), and could see 15-25,000 miles......it is a good tire. As a street use only tire, who cares about the ultimate potential of wet/dry grip, 99% of people never push a street tire that far anyways.....
I have no actual experience driving on the tire. I have heard good things about its street performance from customers however. My opinion is that as long as it is not a noisy tire, does not vibrate (not prone to be out-of-round), and could see 15-25,000 miles......it is a good tire. As a street use only tire, who cares about the ultimate potential of wet/dry grip, 99% of people never push a street tire that far anyways.....
| cooleyjb | 09-19-2004 08:52 PM |
Has anyone looked at other offerings in 245/35/17. I know the following tires exist in that size
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Hankook Ventus Sport K104
Kumho Ecsta KU19
Toyo Proxes T1-S
Why did people go with the Falken 451 over these. They all have similar treadwear. Is there sidewall strength or tread pattern that decided this or was it Falken is what ST* people race.
joe
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Hankook Ventus Sport K104
Kumho Ecsta KU19
Toyo Proxes T1-S
Why did people go with the Falken 451 over these. They all have similar treadwear. Is there sidewall strength or tread pattern that decided this or was it Falken is what ST* people race.
joe
| trojan9x | 09-20-2004 11:06 AM |
I think it's basically what KC said. A Falken employee said that the compound of the FK is very close to that of the Azenis yet it has a much better wet tread pattern so it was tested. I'm sure of Hankook said that the K104 was what they were basing their new Z212 tire on, then someone would of tried that as well.
The info was given therefore it was not such a risk to test them.
-Tom
The info was given therefore it was not such a risk to test them.
-Tom
| Draken | 09-20-2004 11:29 AM |
I ran an STS Audi TT on Hankook K104 two years ago at a couple events. Back to back with Azenis. I liked them. They needed way different pressures and camber settings to work, but they did work. I also ran on Toyo T1-S at West Coast pros, and liked them.
I think it is funny the GRB is causing such a stink now. Why is it such a mystery that finding a shorter tire for a WRX to help its gearing could provide an advantage? Hoppe ran the little 215/40-16 Hoosiers in DS for the same reason a couple years ago. We ran 215/40-17 Toyos on the 2.5RS knowing we would be in third gear anyways...might as well get into third even sooner.
Chris H.
ESP STi
I think it is funny the GRB is causing such a stink now. Why is it such a mystery that finding a shorter tire for a WRX to help its gearing could provide an advantage? Hoppe ran the little 215/40-16 Hoosiers in DS for the same reason a couple years ago. We ran 215/40-17 Toyos on the 2.5RS knowing we would be in third gear anyways...might as well get into third even sooner.
Chris H.
ESP STi
| NeoteriX | 09-21-2004 03:17 AM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]who cares about the ultimate potential of wet/dry grip, 99% of people never push a street tire that far anyways.....[/QUOTE]
:) True.
As a novice/amateur autocrosser, I'm trying to find the best tire that suits my needs as being relatively inexpensive, has best in class performance, and is also a decent street tire that can withstand heavy rain and has decent wear characteristic. :banana:
:) True.
As a novice/amateur autocrosser, I'm trying to find the best tire that suits my needs as being relatively inexpensive, has best in class performance, and is also a decent street tire that can withstand heavy rain and has decent wear characteristic. :banana:
| trojan9x | 09-21-2004 07:51 AM |
Has anyone tried racing on them w/out being shaved?
| MNbiker | 09-21-2004 09:11 AM |
[QUOTE=trojan9x]Has anyone tried racing on them w/out being shaved?[/QUOTE]
It's not pretty. WAY too much tread squirm from the 10/32" deep tread. I'd also be concerned about chunking, depending on the lot surface.
At new depth, the Azenis are far more predictable.
-Steve
It's not pretty. WAY too much tread squirm from the 10/32" deep tread. I'd also be concerned about chunking, depending on the lot surface.
At new depth, the Azenis are far more predictable.
-Steve
| Rebellion | 09-21-2004 09:19 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Josh ... Tom ... any comments on the Falken ST-115 in 235/40/17
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
I think the ST-115's will fall to the same crutch as the Sports... they get sloppy when they get hot. I've run a few auto-x's on them (course I'm no Tom/KC/etc).
I really enjoyed them cold though.
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
I think the ST-115's will fall to the same crutch as the Sports... they get sloppy when they get hot. I've run a few auto-x's on them (course I'm no Tom/KC/etc).
I really enjoyed them cold though.
| trojan9x | 09-21-2004 09:36 AM |
so what have they been shaved down to? 4/32" I will guess?
| tuskenraider | 09-21-2004 09:40 AM |
[QUOTE]Has anyone tried racing on them w/out being shaved?[/QUOTE]
I've done 2 autox's on them and agree they can squirm a lot, but wouldn't most street tires? Unfortunately, I've only had the RE92's to compare them with, but I picked up 2 secs on the same course, which had a shabby surface, with the FK's. The tread does ball up into little beads after the events, I can't say if thats bad or not. With only a couple hundred miles on them, I feel they are great for the price.
I've done 2 autox's on them and agree they can squirm a lot, but wouldn't most street tires? Unfortunately, I've only had the RE92's to compare them with, but I picked up 2 secs on the same course, which had a shabby surface, with the FK's. The tread does ball up into little beads after the events, I can't say if thats bad or not. With only a couple hundred miles on them, I feel they are great for the price.
| KC | 09-21-2004 09:56 AM |
[QUOTE=trojan9x]so what have they been shaved down to? 4/32" I will guess?[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Yep.
| jcroy66 | 09-21-2004 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE=tuskenraider]I've done 2 autox's on them and agree they can squirm a lot, but wouldn't most street tires?[/QUOTE]
No. Not any tire that would be competitive at a National level.
[QUOTE=tuskenraider]Unfortunately, I've only had the RE92's to compare them with, but I picked up 2 secs on the same course[/QUOTE]
2 seconds over the RE-92s?? I doubt anyone has done back-to-back testing with National-contender tires and RE-92s ( :lol: ), but I would guess that the top ST* tires would be good for at least 4 seconds over RE-92s. Maybe more. They're not even remotely in the same ballpark...
No. Not any tire that would be competitive at a National level.
[QUOTE=tuskenraider]Unfortunately, I've only had the RE92's to compare them with, but I picked up 2 secs on the same course[/QUOTE]
2 seconds over the RE-92s?? I doubt anyone has done back-to-back testing with National-contender tires and RE-92s ( :lol: ), but I would guess that the top ST* tires would be good for at least 4 seconds over RE-92s. Maybe more. They're not even remotely in the same ballpark...
| makofoto | 09-21-2004 11:38 AM |
any comments on the Falken ST-115 in 235/40/17
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url]
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url]
| MNbiker | 09-21-2004 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]any comments on the Falken ST-115 in 235/40/17
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Dunno about "higher performance", but 235/40-17 doesn't offer nearly the gearing advantage provided by the 245/35-17 (or even more by the 225/35-17). Note: Width of the 235/40-17 ST is virtually identical to the 245/35-17 FK, so I can't see any reason to go with a "taller" tire.
-Steve
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Dunno about "higher performance", but 235/40-17 doesn't offer nearly the gearing advantage provided by the 245/35-17 (or even more by the 225/35-17). Note: Width of the 235/40-17 ST is virtually identical to the 245/35-17 FK, so I can't see any reason to go with a "taller" tire.
-Steve
| trojan9x | 09-21-2004 12:09 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]any comments on the Falken ST-115 in 235/40/17
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
the ST-115 has a highter treadware rating ("usually" lower is better) than the 451's, so I'm guessing that it's a different/harder compound than the 451. This is pure speculation of coarse.
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
the ST-115 has a highter treadware rating ("usually" lower is better) than the 451's, so I'm guessing that it's a different/harder compound than the 451. This is pure speculation of coarse.
| poison | 09-26-2004 05:03 PM |
The 451 is higher performance.
| afpdl | 09-26-2004 05:40 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]any comments on the Falken ST-115 in 235/40/17
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Ive seen these on a m roadster for a national tour. 6 runs and they were chunked, feathered, and had a really bad groove of death.
Isn't the ST-115 a higher performance tire then the 451's ? And in that size ... a good "compromise" in width and diameter ...
[url]http://www.falkentire.com/tires_st115.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Ive seen these on a m roadster for a national tour. 6 runs and they were chunked, feathered, and had a really bad groove of death.
| 0260B4U | 09-26-2004 06:59 PM |
Hmm interesting to see this thread, ive been running the Betas as my street tire for a while. Ran like 4 or 5 autocrosses with them. I have a basically stock suspension except springs and all the bars. Which I havent run yet, but will in the upcoming Subaru Challenge. Think at least 15-20k miles on them and plenty of tread left
With only the RE's and the Ziex to compare on my car. These tires are awesome. granted driver comes to point, but I beat my buddy with alot more suspension and race tires at an autox. After he got coilovers, was a rainy day, I was taking the cake, but when it dried up he took me out :D Stupid cones :lol:
Very little sidewall wear on mine, maybe from incorrect tire pressure. Figured 44-40 Front-Rear cold is good but when its too hot it seems the tires want to balloon and the car doesnt want to turn in. Just kinda goes slanted. But that may have been from lack of suspension parts. Or driver since I am inexperienced in autox
Id like to see how this thread develops, I have driven other cars with different tires. And this one impresses me very much. Granted suspension/drivetrain/power/conditions come into play. But seems to far surpass the others. Though havent had a chance to drive on Azenis yet.
With only the RE's and the Ziex to compare on my car. These tires are awesome. granted driver comes to point, but I beat my buddy with alot more suspension and race tires at an autox. After he got coilovers, was a rainy day, I was taking the cake, but when it dried up he took me out :D Stupid cones :lol:
Very little sidewall wear on mine, maybe from incorrect tire pressure. Figured 44-40 Front-Rear cold is good but when its too hot it seems the tires want to balloon and the car doesnt want to turn in. Just kinda goes slanted. But that may have been from lack of suspension parts. Or driver since I am inexperienced in autox
Id like to see how this thread develops, I have driven other cars with different tires. And this one impresses me very much. Granted suspension/drivetrain/power/conditions come into play. But seems to far surpass the others. Though havent had a chance to drive on Azenis yet.
| tuskenraider | 09-26-2004 07:39 PM |
Here's 25 autox runs, with lots of pushing until I got a handle on the car and tires. A little armor all to bring the tread out:
[IMG]http://www.wideopenwest.com/~onyschuk/tire.JPG[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.wideopenwest.com/~onyschuk/tire.JPG[/IMG]
| 0260B4U | 09-26-2004 07:46 PM |
not much different than mine, though mine are a little bit worse. Sure it has to do with driver. :D
| gellar | 09-28-2004 06:55 PM |
[QUOTE=MNbiker]It's not pretty. WAY too much tread squirm from the 10/32" deep tread. I'd also be concerned about chunking, depending on the lot surface.
At new depth, the Azenis are far more predictable.
-Steve[/QUOTE]
I chunked mine pretty good at Streets of Willow Springs. They felt really good for the first two 30 minute runs, but then they went to crap for the third (especially the fronts, but that's probably due to me driving like a buffoon).
Sergi
At new depth, the Azenis are far more predictable.
-Steve[/QUOTE]
I chunked mine pretty good at Streets of Willow Springs. They felt really good for the first two 30 minute runs, but then they went to crap for the third (especially the fronts, but that's probably due to me driving like a buffoon).
Sergi
| PKer | 09-28-2004 07:35 PM |
Dear Falken, please offer Azenis Sport in 245/35-17 and make sure they are still cheap!
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