| rex n effect | 03-08-2005 11:39 PM |
Azenis or slightly used RE070 for half the price?
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STX autocross and performance driving is my main concern here, which is why I posted in Motorsports. I had MXs before and liked them, but I'm ready to try something new. I thought Azenis (215) for sure, but some people are selling the RE070s for so cheap, it's making me think twice. I can get a set of slightly used RE070s for 300 and change or a new set of azenis for 500. Are the azenis worth it, or will I be just as happy with some takeoff RE070s? I'd LOVE to hear from some of you who have flogged both tires. Thanks.
| tuskenraider | 03-09-2005 12:01 AM |
I haven't used either, though I am buying Azenis for this season. Pretty much EVERY Subie in STX here in the Chicago SCCA Region used the Azenis last season, as well as many other cars. If you want the best chance of winning, get the Azenis.
| KoneKiller | 03-09-2005 12:58 AM |
I autocrossed on the 070's a few times and have to say I was impressed. Didn't give up much compared to the V700's I usually run and are certainly better than the MX's that are on it now.
I have NO experience with Falkens... so I can't compare.
I have NO experience with Falkens... so I can't compare.
| makofoto | 03-09-2005 02:19 AM |
My buddy AX'ed with his 070's and thought they were excellent. When it came time to get new tires he bought 245/45/17 Azenis ... and was surprised at how much better they were ...
One of the top AX WRX drivers recently told me the the new Yokohama (Neuvo?) and the new Hankook max performance tires coming out were worth looking at. He thought that they could be as good as the new Azenis replacement, the Falken 615. He thought that the 615 MIGHT be giving up some dry performance to get better wet traction. The new 615 is a bit lighter but with slightly softer sidewalls ...
One of the top AX WRX drivers recently told me the the new Yokohama (Neuvo?) and the new Hankook max performance tires coming out were worth looking at. He thought that they could be as good as the new Azenis replacement, the Falken 615. He thought that the 615 MIGHT be giving up some dry performance to get better wet traction. The new 615 is a bit lighter but with slightly softer sidewalls ...
| antimullet | 03-09-2005 07:44 AM |
I autocrossed all last year with my stock tires and thought they were pretty poor. I mark my sidewalls and measure how far the tires roll up the sidewall to help me adjust tps. Needless to say trying to push the tires past a certain point the sidewalls would roll really bad. My buddy running azenis didn't have this problem. Nice strong sidewall on those tires.
| KC | 03-09-2005 07:52 AM |
Azenis are faster than the 070s in the dry. The new Azenis are supposedly faster than the old Azenis.
--kC
--kC
| dave bruener | 03-09-2005 09:29 AM |
I vote for the 070's if you are not for all out autocross dominance. they give awesome performance but you have to run very high pressures to get the most out of them for autocross. Also the more they are worn the better they get. I ran 48 to52 PSI and I know every one is going to say that is too high but try it--you'll see!
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| Fred | 03-09-2005 09:50 AM |
I've run the RE070's for autox & on track at VIR. They're awesome. Won the local club's overall driver's championship for the second year in a row in autox, using these the last half of the year in STS. They scream like little girls on the track, but they grip great & they let you know well ahead of when they're about to give it up. They last for freaking ever, too - I bought mine at half tread, did a few thousand street miles, at least 50 autox runs & 2 hours of hard driving on VIR Patriot Course with the 2.5RS and at least 25 autox runs on the WRX, and I'm about to have them flipped to run a few more autoxes/ test&tunes on them with the WRX.
As for pressure, I used low 40's at VIR & 40 front/ 50-55 rear for autox.
As for pressure, I used low 40's at VIR & 40 front/ 50-55 rear for autox.
| BHawk | 03-09-2005 02:47 PM |
I just got 245/45R17 Azenis and they freaking rock. Of course they do have the unfair advantage of extra tread width over the RE070s.
| makofoto | 03-09-2005 02:52 PM |
My STI STU buddy, leading our local STU comp after two events ... runs his 245/45/17 Azenis at 38/38.
The 245/45/17 Azenis don't have an "unfair" advantage over the 070's ... 245 is legal. :-)
... and the extra heights might be an advantageous, ie. slightly less shifting.
The 245/45/17 Azenis don't have an "unfair" advantage over the 070's ... 245 is legal. :-)
... and the extra heights might be an advantageous, ie. slightly less shifting.
| rex n effect | 03-09-2005 04:33 PM |
A local vendor just talked me into a set of new Azenis (rt-615). We'll see how those work out. :D
| ratt_finkel | 03-09-2005 05:23 PM |
[QUOTE=antimullet]I autocrossed all last year with my stock tires and thought they were pretty poor. I mark my sidewalls and measure how far the tires roll up the sidewall to help me adjust tps. Needless to say trying to push the tires past a certain point the sidewalls would roll really bad. My buddy running azenis didn't have this problem. Nice strong sidewall on those tires.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like your not using proper air pressures, and or you need to change your driving style. You can rollover the sidewalls of the stiffest tire out there with 100psi in the tire if you drive beyond its limits.
Sounds like your not using proper air pressures, and or you need to change your driving style. You can rollover the sidewalls of the stiffest tire out there with 100psi in the tire if you drive beyond its limits.
| insaneSTI | 03-09-2005 05:26 PM |
I have Toyo T1 S's right now and like them better than the RE070's
| DougM | 03-09-2005 05:27 PM |
i was thinking the same thing. the re070's do have a quality sidewall
| Butt Dyno | 03-09-2005 05:55 PM |
[QUOTE=insaneSTI]I have Toyo T1 S's right now and like them better than the RE070's[/QUOTE]
Do you autocross?
Do you autocross?
| rex n effect | 03-09-2005 06:02 PM |
BD - haven't you driven both...?
See you soon!
See you soon!
| MRF582 | 03-09-2005 06:09 PM |
DEF. the re070s. especially for almost half the price. same grip level as the azenis if not better. a local STU buddy of mine ran them till they were toast and he said he would've bought them again if they weren't so damn expensive.
| Butt Dyno | 03-09-2005 06:20 PM |
[QUOTE=rex n effect]BD - haven't you driven both...?
See you soon![/QUOTE]
I have done Azenis and RE040's. I really, really liked the RE040's and in terms of total # of runs I have more runs on the RE040s because I ran 4 different tires last year (bald useless Azenis, one event, RE040's 2-3 times, S03's 2-3 times, Azenis the last two events). The last two events sold me on the Azenis as far as dry grip but I still need more time on them. (plus the 040's are expensive)
I am really interested to see if the 615's fix the overheating/greasy issues.
See you soon![/QUOTE]
I have done Azenis and RE040's. I really, really liked the RE040's and in terms of total # of runs I have more runs on the RE040s because I ran 4 different tires last year (bald useless Azenis, one event, RE040's 2-3 times, S03's 2-3 times, Azenis the last two events). The last two events sold me on the Azenis as far as dry grip but I still need more time on them. (plus the 040's are expensive)
I am really interested to see if the 615's fix the overheating/greasy issues.
| Whiplash322 | 03-09-2005 10:12 PM |
Im in the same boat as him, im running STX and am confused about which tires to run, i think im goin with the RE's
| makofoto | 03-09-2005 10:20 PM |
"RE's" ... hahaha ... well ... I guess they are a good first tire to practice on ... but you won't believe the difference between your oem tires and Max performance tires. Going to a real performance tire will make the single biggest difference in your cars handling ...
The T1S are a great tire ... but very soft side walls. The new T1R that is just arriving ... has a stronger shoulder. Might be good in a low profile size, ie. 245/35/17 ... but for some reason, the wear factor has gone from 280 on the T1S to 300 on the T1R ... not really a meaningful difference ...
The T1S are a great tire ... but very soft side walls. The new T1R that is just arriving ... has a stronger shoulder. Might be good in a low profile size, ie. 245/35/17 ... but for some reason, the wear factor has gone from 280 on the T1S to 300 on the T1R ... not really a meaningful difference ...
| ej20love | 03-09-2005 10:29 PM |
where can I get some cheap 245/45 -17 azenis?
| KoneKiller | 03-10-2005 09:16 AM |
[QUOTE=Whiplash322]Im in the same boat as him, im running STX and am confused about which tires to run, i think im goin with the RE's[/QUOTE]
RE92's??? :eek: :eek: :eek:
At least get a set of MX's!
RE92's??? :eek: :eek: :eek:
At least get a set of MX's!
| scottvw13 | 03-10-2005 09:19 AM |
Those of you running 245/45/17, are you running these on the street? Any issues with the increased diameter?
| Butt Dyno | 03-10-2005 09:57 AM |
[QUOTE=KoneKiller]RE92's??? :eek: :eek: :eek:
At least get a set of MX's![/QUOTE]
He said RE's.. not RE92's. The STi tires are *RE*070.
At least get a set of MX's![/QUOTE]
He said RE's.. not RE92's. The STi tires are *RE*070.
| subieworx | 03-10-2005 11:07 AM |
[QUOTE=insaneSTI]I have Toyo T1 S's right now and like them better than the RE070's[/QUOTE]
You're nuts sorry. FOr max performance the Re070's will run circles around the T1S's.
I like the Azenis sports better for single driving as they offer a bit more grip and are a bit quieter, but they are very similar.
I am interested to see how the the 615's stack up against the old and how the new Hankook's do.
For 300 I would get the RE070's and not look back. They are badass tires.
You're nuts sorry. FOr max performance the Re070's will run circles around the T1S's.
I like the Azenis sports better for single driving as they offer a bit more grip and are a bit quieter, but they are very similar.
I am interested to see how the the 615's stack up against the old and how the new Hankook's do.
For 300 I would get the RE070's and not look back. They are badass tires.
| subieworx | 03-10-2005 11:09 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]My STI STU buddy, leading our local STU comp after two events ... runs his 245/45/17 Azenis at 38/38.
The 245/45/17 Azenis don't have an "unfair" advantage over the 070's ... 245 is legal. :-)
... and the extra heights might be an advantageous, ie. slightly less shifting.[/QUOTE]
I think what he was trying to say is you can't compare the amount of grip from two different size tires fairly. I don't think class legality was what he was referring to.
The 245/45/17 Azenis don't have an "unfair" advantage over the 070's ... 245 is legal. :-)
... and the extra heights might be an advantageous, ie. slightly less shifting.[/QUOTE]
I think what he was trying to say is you can't compare the amount of grip from two different size tires fairly. I don't think class legality was what he was referring to.
| DrBiggly | 03-10-2005 12:52 PM |
I've seen Fred absolutely dominate on RE070s. I've driven on both the RE070s and the Azenis and they really are back and forth depending upon the surface, the day, the weather, the moon, your trunk monkey algorithms, etc as to which might be the better choice.
rex n effect,
It's more dependant upon the driver and less upon the tire (between the RE070 and the RT215 Azenis.) This is only reinforced by the very mixed responses of about half-and-half here in this thread. It's quite easy to get good stuff out of either tire; it's just up to you how much money you'd like to spend. There isn't a significant edge to be had from one tire over the other. :)
rex n effect,
It's more dependant upon the driver and less upon the tire (between the RE070 and the RT215 Azenis.) This is only reinforced by the very mixed responses of about half-and-half here in this thread. It's quite easy to get good stuff out of either tire; it's just up to you how much money you'd like to spend. There isn't a significant edge to be had from one tire over the other. :)
| RogersWRX | 03-10-2005 11:27 PM |
Just remember to get the most out of the current Azenis, you MUST bring a water sprayer and cool them down between each run!! I don't think you have to do that as much with the MX's and 070's...
| DougM | 03-10-2005 11:33 PM |
in my experiences the 070's need spraying
| thrlskr | 03-10-2005 11:34 PM |
[QUOTE=RogersWRX]Just remember to get the most out of the current Azenis, you MUST bring a water sprayer and cool them down between each run!! I don't think you have to do that as much with the MX's and 070's...[/QUOTE]
agreed!
agreed!
| Fred | 03-11-2005 08:17 AM |
You NEED to spray them down if you're going for a national championship & everybody else is spraying theirs. I ftpaxed many times without ever spraying my Azeni (while my competition was [B]religiously[/B] spraying between each run), because I just went out & drove the damn car as fast as I could (which does not = as fast as IT could go). Don't focus so much on all the little stupid things - like spraying tires - when you can drop a half second by not blowing the turnaround. :)
Sure, tires have to be at the right temp to work to their full potential, but are they really the weakest link in getting around the course as fast as possible? :lol: (most cases... Hell no.)
Sure, tires have to be at the right temp to work to their full potential, but are they really the weakest link in getting around the course as fast as possible? :lol: (most cases... Hell no.)
| subieworx | 03-11-2005 08:38 AM |
I never have to spray mine down when I single drive my car. Two driving it is a different story though.
| RogersWRX | 03-11-2005 08:45 AM |
I've run the 225/45/17 Azenis for about two years on my wagon. We generally have courses in the 60 second range. Without spraying, my first run was consistently my fastest - only by spraying was I able to control the tire temps and lower my times. This is more important on concrete over asphalt lots, as the Azenis seem to grip better on asphalt, but still true for both.
As Fred said - first tighten the "nut" behind the wheel, but after that, the next most important thing is TIRES!! ; )
As Fred said - first tighten the "nut" behind the wheel, but after that, the next most important thing is TIRES!! ; )
| Fred | 03-11-2005 10:35 AM |
[QUOTE]Without spraying, my first run was consistently my fastest [/QUOTE]
I've had a few events where my fastest time was my first - it was because I was trying too hard to beat my initial time, instead of just trying to drive better. Are you sure you're not just getting better at not overdriving?
I've had a few events where my fastest time was my first - it was because I was trying too hard to beat my initial time, instead of just trying to drive better. Are you sure you're not just getting better at not overdriving?
| RogersWRX | 03-11-2005 10:57 AM |
Nope, I've been doing this for over nine years... in this case it 'REALLY' is the tires... I swear!!! ; )
| jaxscuby | 03-11-2005 06:47 PM |
how about a set of 225/45/17 azenis for 200 + shipping.
they still have about 4/32 left..
they still have about 4/32 left..
| rex n effect | 03-12-2005 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE=jaxscuby]how about a set of 225/45/17 azenis for 200 + shipping.
they still have about 4/32 left..[/QUOTE]
Half used tires for half price? Hmm...
Thanks for the input everyone.
they still have about 4/32 left..[/QUOTE]
Half used tires for half price? Hmm...
Thanks for the input everyone.
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