| vwluv10338 | 01-25-2003 06:58 PM |
Calling all people with any brand HID projectors
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I have been doing research on HIDs and have stumbled on to the 4300KI vs 7000K white/blue debate and want some input from people with projectors no matter what kind. See I like the blue light which I could get from the 7000K bulbs but what I like more is the white-blue twinke I see from S2000s. Now correct me if I am wrong but using a projector and 4300K bulbs will give off the whitest and brightest light and still the blue color when you hit a bumb. This caused by the projector acting like a prizm and splitting the light (this is explained more here [url]http://www.geocities.com/jvxdriver/hid_projector_beam.htm,[/url] thanks Dr. WOT). So anyone out there running projector beams with 4300K get the twinkeling?
Eric
P.S. I really want to know if a non-HID sti projector with a 4300K HID kit in it will be white with a blue/purple twinkle like a S2000. Anyone with sti projectors running something like a silverstar get a blue twinkle?
Eric
P.S. I really want to know if a non-HID sti projector with a 4300K HID kit in it will be white with a blue/purple twinkle like a S2000. Anyone with sti projectors running something like a silverstar get a blue twinkle?
| brunetmj | 01-26-2003 09:52 AM |
Although I think your question was meant as a �looks� question I wanted to add another consideration. I chose the 4300K HID for two reasons. One, any obvious change of color draws to much attention to them which , unfortunately , also means the police. Secondly according to my research a whiter light gives better performance. I havent received them yet. Bought them from HID4less and they seem to take forever.
| popnGEAR | 01-26-2003 01:21 PM |
4300K is white when you look at the the source, but when you look at what it's shining on, there will be a tint of yellow. 4300k is the brightest hid kit. Kelvins are inversely related to light output.
| Avey | 01-26-2003 06:18 PM |
Ok I have a 7000K HID kit in LHD STi projectors. They look blue/white when you look at them. From far they look mostly purple. From a few car lenths ahead they fluctuate from blue-purple-white-yellow, when you go over dips in the road. Mainly you will never really be able to see this from the drivers seat. Even if you have regular halogen bulbs, the projector will split the light and change colours a bit. I have seen Volkswagen Passats, and Hyundai Sonatas which looks purple from far. If I had to choose the bulb temperature again. I would probably choose a 6000K bulb which appears pink/purple like a 3.2 TL or a GMC Envoy. Overall I am happy with the setup I have now. I would be curious to find out how a 4300K bulb would look. I think the only reason Audis have such nice HIDs, is because the projector spilts the light really well. I have the Highlight leveling hooked up. If I am them to the ground the colour will mostly stay blue. If I aim they up high, the colour will stay more on the purple side. Just imagine a rainbow, purple is at the top red at the bottom. All you are seeing when you have an S2000 following you is the light going through the different bands of the colours of the rainbow. They have a stiff suspension so the effect seems greater. The thing I want to know is why does an Audi looks so insanely purple from far? And how do they keep the colour for so long? Meaning why doesn't the colour change earlier, as they get closer. It's as if they have a wider band of purple in the projector?
| Turbo X | 01-26-2003 09:26 PM |
To my understanding, the 4300k does give u the brightest night vision. On the other hand, they look kinda bore.(althrough way better than the stock.) Therefore I prefer 6000k and up, anything around that range would give your headlamp a blue/violet hue tone on the side of your beam while your ride is in motion, which looks very much alike the Audi/ BMW. This is the way I see it, if u are going to spend the $$$ on the hid may as well get notice by the other in terms of color varation. My main concern is not blinding the others, as long as I achieve that, I don't think I will be bother by the cops (hopfully...) after all 6000 k or 7000k it's dimmer in tone comparing to the 4300k. just my two penny. Late.
| subaru mike | 01-26-2003 09:45 PM |
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I have a 8000k kit, it seems to be the brightest to me i have seen on the road. I have not seen any other HID kits in WRX's... if any one is in NJ and has a HID kit pm me i am really interested in seeing the difference...
Great point that the police do notice the 8000k kit i have been asked my a few different cops in diffreent towns if i was driving with brights on, so be careful
Great point that the police do notice the 8000k kit i have been asked my a few different cops in diffreent towns if i was driving with brights on, so be careful
| westy66 | 01-27-2003 09:04 AM |
i have 4300k Hella Xenon's in Prodrives (projector) and they are indeed bright and white, when looked at directly in front. from the sides and a distance they are blue like Audi's.
Audi uses 4300K Hella set-ups. my friends S4 look exactly the same as mine. not sure about the S2000, but i know the new BMW's are 6500k, thats why they look purple, but emit less light than the 4300k. i could just get a new set of bulbs if i wanted change the temperature (color).
Bob
Audi uses 4300K Hella set-ups. my friends S4 look exactly the same as mine. not sure about the S2000, but i know the new BMW's are 6500k, thats why they look purple, but emit less light than the 4300k. i could just get a new set of bulbs if i wanted change the temperature (color).
Bob
| Hank3 | 01-27-2003 11:41 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by westy66 [/i]
[B]i have 4300k Hella Xenon's in Prodrives (projector) and they are indeed bright and white, when looked at directly in front. from the sides and a distance they are blue like Audi's.
Audi uses 4300K Hella set-ups. my friends S4 look exactly the same as mine. not sure about the S2000, but i know the new BMW's are 6500k, thats why they look purple, but emit less light than the 4300k. i could just get a new set of bulbs if i wanted change the temperature (color).
Bob [/B][/QUOTE]
Bob - I've got Prodrive lights also and buying HID's soon (when my Tax return gets here :) ). Anyway you can e-mail some pics of how they look when you're inside the car, and some nighttime pics? I'm on the fence about getting 4300K, 5000K range, or 6000K range.
Hank
[B]i have 4300k Hella Xenon's in Prodrives (projector) and they are indeed bright and white, when looked at directly in front. from the sides and a distance they are blue like Audi's.
Audi uses 4300K Hella set-ups. my friends S4 look exactly the same as mine. not sure about the S2000, but i know the new BMW's are 6500k, thats why they look purple, but emit less light than the 4300k. i could just get a new set of bulbs if i wanted change the temperature (color).
Bob [/B][/QUOTE]
Bob - I've got Prodrive lights also and buying HID's soon (when my Tax return gets here :) ). Anyway you can e-mail some pics of how they look when you're inside the car, and some nighttime pics? I'm on the fence about getting 4300K, 5000K range, or 6000K range.
Hank
| vwluv10338 | 01-27-2003 07:48 PM |
I would also like a set of the pics too if you have them. I havent seen any pics posted with 4300K. All pics I have looked at have been 5000K and up taken real close. I would like so see pics of someone with 4300K and projectors at a distance.
Eric
Eric
| CirrusWRX | 01-27-2003 10:05 PM |
Hey guys - I think there might be some misinformation here. All the stuff I know I got from other people on the forums who seem to know what they're talking about but here's what I think I know: (not meant to be derragatory, just more info)
1. I *think* anything over 6000k is illegal. (Could be PA law)
2. BMW/Audi I believe both have something in the 4300/4600k range, as I think that's all they're alowed to have. It is the HOUSINGS that cause the lights to look purple, esp. the audi from a distance. The HOUSINGS - NOT the bulbs themselves
3. I have 7000k's in my morettes and I LOVE THEM. I have had them since mid November and have yet to experience any sort of problem with the 5-0.
4. I think if you aim your lights properly, that should limit the amount of problems with blining people and the po-po. I think I even have mine a little low, and they're still 1000x better than stock, and the cuttoff is fabulous.
5. You need to keep your lights clean - they can really look funky with ice/snow on them, and they tend not to melt it off like halogens cause they're a lot cooler, at least, is my experience with dirt/ice/snow.
6. I will never have a non-projector, non HID low-beam light again. I would *ALMOST* agree to give up my high-beams for these excellent low-beams
7. I got my HID kit from Adam at Z1 Automotive [url]http://www.z1auto.com[/url]
8. Install was relatively simple, but one of my bulbs was wired backwards - simple fix.
9. I have read that you should run a separate ground wire directly to the neg. terminal on the battery as the stock grounds for the halogens are not quite up to the task. (Ask moulder about this - do a search)
10. This was not in any way meant to be preachy, and I could very well have some incorrect info here, but just wanted to relay what I found out in my searching. Also, I have before and after pics and a before and after video - just need to d/l from the camera and post it. Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.
1. I *think* anything over 6000k is illegal. (Could be PA law)
2. BMW/Audi I believe both have something in the 4300/4600k range, as I think that's all they're alowed to have. It is the HOUSINGS that cause the lights to look purple, esp. the audi from a distance. The HOUSINGS - NOT the bulbs themselves
3. I have 7000k's in my morettes and I LOVE THEM. I have had them since mid November and have yet to experience any sort of problem with the 5-0.
4. I think if you aim your lights properly, that should limit the amount of problems with blining people and the po-po. I think I even have mine a little low, and they're still 1000x better than stock, and the cuttoff is fabulous.
5. You need to keep your lights clean - they can really look funky with ice/snow on them, and they tend not to melt it off like halogens cause they're a lot cooler, at least, is my experience with dirt/ice/snow.
6. I will never have a non-projector, non HID low-beam light again. I would *ALMOST* agree to give up my high-beams for these excellent low-beams
7. I got my HID kit from Adam at Z1 Automotive [url]http://www.z1auto.com[/url]
8. Install was relatively simple, but one of my bulbs was wired backwards - simple fix.
9. I have read that you should run a separate ground wire directly to the neg. terminal on the battery as the stock grounds for the halogens are not quite up to the task. (Ask moulder about this - do a search)
10. This was not in any way meant to be preachy, and I could very well have some incorrect info here, but just wanted to relay what I found out in my searching. Also, I have before and after pics and a before and after video - just need to d/l from the camera and post it. Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.
| vwluv10338 | 01-28-2003 08:23 AM |
Your point #2 is exactly what I am trying to figure out when it is applied to sti projectors. Plainly, will 4300K in a sti projector throw the same/similar blue light at a distance as a S2000?
Eric
Eric
| ZoomnWRX | 01-28-2003 11:47 AM |
morettes, 4300k
my friend has 5000k in his celica.. you can see the bluer light to the left. you can also see that my light pattern/color output obliterates his. all you pay for with higher K hid kits is color
[IMG]http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/tsorense/hid1.jpg[/IMG]
better on/off picture of my lights.
[IMG]http://24.185.96.32:34262/wrx/hid_off.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://24.185.96.32:34262/wrx/hid_on.jpg[/IMG]
my friend has 5000k in his celica.. you can see the bluer light to the left. you can also see that my light pattern/color output obliterates his. all you pay for with higher K hid kits is color
[IMG]http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/tsorense/hid1.jpg[/IMG]
better on/off picture of my lights.
[IMG]http://24.185.96.32:34262/wrx/hid_off.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://24.185.96.32:34262/wrx/hid_on.jpg[/IMG]
| vwluv10338 | 01-28-2003 11:29 PM |
Found an awsome web site with lots of info. If you want to know about HIDs check it out for some hard facts
[url]http://clublexus.com/Information/Tech%20Tips/General/HID/hid.html[/url]
Eric
[url]http://clublexus.com/Information/Tech%20Tips/General/HID/hid.html[/url]
Eric
| InfamousDX | 01-29-2003 12:53 AM |
Yea the higher the Kelvin, usually the lower the Lumen. So a 4300K or 5000K will be the best usually.
| Hank3 | 01-29-2003 08:45 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vwluv10338 [/i]
[B]Found an awsome web site with lots of info. If you want to know about HIDs check it out for some hard facts
[url]http://clublexus.com/Information/Tech%20Tips/General/HID/hid.html[/url]
Eric [/B][/QUOTE]
Very good information here - even if it isn't new, it helps confirm what others have said on here which is always good to know before venturing down the road of HID's and the money that goes with it :) I think I may even order my HID kit from one of the vendors he recommended on here. Anyone order from [url]http://www.autolamps-online.com/?[/url] They seem pretty reliable and their kit sounds top-notch...
[B]Found an awsome web site with lots of info. If you want to know about HIDs check it out for some hard facts
[url]http://clublexus.com/Information/Tech%20Tips/General/HID/hid.html[/url]
Eric [/B][/QUOTE]
Very good information here - even if it isn't new, it helps confirm what others have said on here which is always good to know before venturing down the road of HID's and the money that goes with it :) I think I may even order my HID kit from one of the vendors he recommended on here. Anyone order from [url]http://www.autolamps-online.com/?[/url] They seem pretty reliable and their kit sounds top-notch...
| vwluv10338 | 01-29-2003 05:51 PM |
Here is another site I have found on my quest to understand HID. This one also goes into how to install them if you just buy the ballasts and not a plug and play kit. In the Electrical section is says it has been moved and has a link. This link gives a wire diragram and tells you what diodes and relays to use. More good info.
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-faq.htm[/url]
Eric
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-faq.htm[/url]
Eric
| westy66 | 02-05-2003 05:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CirrusWRX [/i]
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9. I have read that you should run a separate ground wire directly to the neg. terminal on the battery as the stock grounds for the halogens are not quite up to the task. (Ask moulder about this - do a search)
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what do you mean by this? i did a search too :D
here are my 4300K Prodrives. they look just like Audi & S2000.
[IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=2774337[/IMG]
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9. I have read that you should run a separate ground wire directly to the neg. terminal on the battery as the stock grounds for the halogens are not quite up to the task. (Ask moulder about this - do a search)
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what do you mean by this? i did a search too :D
here are my 4300K Prodrives. they look just like Audi & S2000.
[IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=2774337[/IMG]
| CirrusWRX | 02-05-2003 09:55 PM |
Now I will only tell you my understanding of it, and I could be way wrong, but here goes: (please somebody correct me if I am way off!)
Basically, the way mulder explained it to me, or the way I understood it for the morettes, is the following... Now keep in mind, things MAY be a little different as I am not familiar with your style headlights (wiring, that is).
Basically, HIDs use a lot less power when running, but require a tremendously larger amount to "get them started" -- hence the igniters, as is my understanding. And the ground which serves this massive power spike is controlled by the rotater switch on the stalk by the steering wheel. So in essence, every time you turn on your HIDs (your lights) a lot of current is running through the ground wire which was never intended to be so high. It could potentially wear down the wire and cause it to degrade over time, thus causing weird behavior - like HIDS flickering on startup, or one coming on, or neither, or "occasionally" turning on after a few attempts, etc...
So mulders suggestion is to run the ground from each of the HID bulbs/ballast (depending on your configuration) directly to the negative terminal on the battery, or a good chassis ground.
Again, not sure if that made ANY sense, or if it was explained well, or even coherently, but that's the best I can do. :)
Basically, the way mulder explained it to me, or the way I understood it for the morettes, is the following... Now keep in mind, things MAY be a little different as I am not familiar with your style headlights (wiring, that is).
Basically, HIDs use a lot less power when running, but require a tremendously larger amount to "get them started" -- hence the igniters, as is my understanding. And the ground which serves this massive power spike is controlled by the rotater switch on the stalk by the steering wheel. So in essence, every time you turn on your HIDs (your lights) a lot of current is running through the ground wire which was never intended to be so high. It could potentially wear down the wire and cause it to degrade over time, thus causing weird behavior - like HIDS flickering on startup, or one coming on, or neither, or "occasionally" turning on after a few attempts, etc...
So mulders suggestion is to run the ground from each of the HID bulbs/ballast (depending on your configuration) directly to the negative terminal on the battery, or a good chassis ground.
Again, not sure if that made ANY sense, or if it was explained well, or even coherently, but that's the best I can do. :)
| Mulder | 02-05-2003 10:06 PM |
Yes you have it essentially correct :)
This is true for ANY HIDs, aftermarket or OEM, because of how they work. An OEM system will be designed for the current draw requirements of the HIDs but when they are installed in a vehicle not originally designed for them the wiring is usually not adequate.
The switched ground system that Subaru uses is barely adequate for the 55W stock lights and even then there is a voltage drop that I personally don't consider acceptable. This wiring system is definitely not up to the task of handling high HID startup current, especially on a repeated basis, and that is why I always recommend using direct grounds for HIDs.
This is true for ANY HIDs, aftermarket or OEM, because of how they work. An OEM system will be designed for the current draw requirements of the HIDs but when they are installed in a vehicle not originally designed for them the wiring is usually not adequate.
The switched ground system that Subaru uses is barely adequate for the 55W stock lights and even then there is a voltage drop that I personally don't consider acceptable. This wiring system is definitely not up to the task of handling high HID startup current, especially on a repeated basis, and that is why I always recommend using direct grounds for HIDs.
| CirrusWRX | 02-06-2003 01:15 AM |
You know, I should've just PM'd the guy and sent him a link to this thread so you wouldn't have to read my bumbling!!
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(thanks mulder)
so, yeah, in sum ^ what he said :D
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(thanks mulder)
so, yeah, in sum ^ what he said :D
| Hank3 | 02-10-2003 10:31 PM |
Need a little more advice from you HID gurus. I'm ready to buy my HID kit, but don't know which one is the best. I think I've nailed it down to a 4300K kit for my Prodrive H7 Low Beams. I really do want more light and am banking on the fact that my projectors will give the purplish hue like the BMW's and Audi's. I know they won't look exactly like them since they have different patterns on their projectors, but I think I would feel better knowing that I'm getting the K rating like all of the luxury car brands out there (4300K). So my choices are:
[url]http://www.xenon-hid.com[/url]
[url]http://www.mccullochhid.com[/url]
[url]http://www.proxenon.com[/url]
[url]http://www.autolamps-online.com[/url]
Any insight??? :)
Thanks
[url]http://www.xenon-hid.com[/url]
[url]http://www.mccullochhid.com[/url]
[url]http://www.proxenon.com[/url]
[url]http://www.autolamps-online.com[/url]
Any insight??? :)
Thanks
| Schleppy | 02-11-2003 09:35 AM |
I have a 6000k setup in my Morettes. I would definately say that it is the best compromise between looks and performance. They are MUCH brighter than the stock bulbs in the Morettes, and make most other cars headlights look like they're off.
Also, they have a cool blue/purple twinkle to them. And I've yet to recieve any attention from the man about them (knock on wood).
Also, they have a cool blue/purple twinkle to them. And I've yet to recieve any attention from the man about them (knock on wood).
| Hank3 | 02-11-2003 11:26 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Schleppy [/i]
[B]I have a 6000k setup in my Morettes. I would definately say that it is the best compromise between looks and performance. They are MUCH brighter than the stock bulbs in the Morettes, and make most other cars headlights look like they're off.
Also, they have a cool blue/purple twinkle to them. And I've yet to recieve any attention from the man about them (knock on wood). [/B][/QUOTE]
What color is the light emitted on the road when your driving/sitting in the car?
[B]I have a 6000k setup in my Morettes. I would definately say that it is the best compromise between looks and performance. They are MUCH brighter than the stock bulbs in the Morettes, and make most other cars headlights look like they're off.
Also, they have a cool blue/purple twinkle to them. And I've yet to recieve any attention from the man about them (knock on wood). [/B][/QUOTE]
What color is the light emitted on the road when your driving/sitting in the car?
| Hank3 | 02-14-2003 12:57 PM |
Update - got me a set of 4300K Philips kit. My car looks so much like a Bimmer/Audi now. I'll post pics and more details soon...
| Hank3 | 02-21-2003 03:06 PM |
I've posted pics in the Electrical/Lighting forum:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=319119[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=319119[/url]
| TeamSeraphRedAlert | 02-21-2003 03:54 PM |
RE: HID's
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Well, here's my two cents. I just bought the new Stage II HID's (6000+ K) with the 50 W ballasts and I asked around a lot about these (go to HIDs4less.com). The normal ballast which is included with all HID's are the 30 W ones. But there's a 50 W one that actually boosts lumens on the 6000 K's. Obviously this will cost more. Hence, brighter light/light output. Though I don't really know if you'll lose the much coveted bluish color. That's why I bought my wife the standard 4300 K's. But on my car, I'm getting the I guess you would call them the Stage III's.
| Hank3 | 02-25-2003 05:04 PM |
Bump for some updated pics taken...
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...threadid=319119[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...threadid=319119[/url]
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