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Daytona 200 AMA Superbike Today! part 1

Streetman 03-09-2003 12:39 PM

Daytona 200 AMA Superbike Today!
It's just about to start. If the 600 race was any indication of what this year is going to be like, you're in for a real treat. That was by far one of the craziest races I've ever seen. If you missed it, catch a replay on SPEED. What did you miss? Oh, just a dozen bikes or so drafting each other for the entire race, going 4 or 5 wide, coming off the banking. There was some serious puckering for sure.

And if you don't know, the Superbikes changed rules this year, allowing 1000 cc's, overbored 750's, some other rules for twins. It's going to make for some drama, I'm sure, with bikes that can hit 200 MPH on the banking. Yet something else that might be amusing to you, these bikes have front and real wheel speedometers. On the banking, they can differ by 10MPH sometimes with rear wheel spin. Ponder that thought at 200.

Yikes!:eek:
Bonzo 03-09-2003 01:25 PM

Yup I watched. It was scary to watch tho. I am sure the riders were having a great time tho. The boxer cup was just as wild. Grinding off the cyl heads in da corners:disco: Plus alot of Daytona n00bs racing prolly a littel scared. Rightly so. Daytona is not a good bike track. Too Dan Jerous.

Rain delay now for the biguns. No race in rain on the banks.
subiewrx 03-09-2003 01:51 PM

I agree with Springsteen's assessment (re: Boxer Cup) - crazy. Looked like rush hour up there on the banking - people lunging frantically into every little gap without regard for anyone else's safety :eek: Much of the action on the banking looked more like a field sprint finish at a bicycle race - now THAT'S dangerous business...

Too bad about the 200, but really, this race leaves me a bit cold. The 600 race was kinda like watching NASCAR. Once you get on the banking, it is anybody's guess who'll be in front by the chicane...yuck. Still, it is the first AMA superbike race of the year - new rules, lots of talent... :(
Streetman 03-09-2003 03:10 PM

I hate NECKCAR too, but the move Parriot made made me think of it. I'm talking about when he and whoveverthehell it was, banged engine cases on those BMW's at 150 MPH. That's pretty exciting.

I'm watching the radar, and this storm might blow by. They say if it doesn't by 4 PM, they'll race tomorrow. Sucks. I was so geared up after the 600, and BOxer race.
Streetman 03-09-2003 03:16 PM

CRAP! They called it off. Didn't even wait til 4. Here's the quote, from [url]www.ussuperbike.com[/url]

After persistent rains, AMA Pro Racing and DIS officials have postponed the 62nd annual Daytona 200 by Arai to 11:15 a.m. Monday morning, March 10. The good news is that the race will still be live on Speed Channel.

Below is Monday's schedule.

Monday, March 10 - NEW
7 a.m. Garages open
7 - 10:50 a.m. Practice (in the following order):
Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike
Suzuki Genuine Accessories Superstock
Final Events
10:50 a.m. Opening ceremony & 200 Pole Award presentations
11 a.m. Sighting lap for the Daytona 200 by Arai
11:15 a.m. Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike, Daytona 200 by Arai (57 laps)
1:30 p.m. Suzuki Genuine Accessories Superstock (70K - 15 laps)
OnTheGas 03-09-2003 11:58 PM

250 GP Class @ Daytona
It's been awhile since I've been able to follow cycle racing, and I thought I heard them say during the 250 GP race that the class will be going away... Is that true?

If yes, why?

Thanks!
Ken
Streetman 03-10-2003 12:04 AM

250's are going away in the US after this year. don't know about worldwide. You know, the 500's got axed. all 4 strokes. The thinking for years has been that the 2 stroke technology does not tranfer to the street, as no one has two strokes on the street anymore. I thought they would figure a way to make them more emmisions friendly, in time. Nope. It's just the nature of the design. Exhaust and intake open at the same time will not allow for low emission.

I'll miss the little blue smokers.
OnTheGas 03-10-2003 12:23 AM

Thats What I Figured
Thanks!

I'm gonna miss 'em, also... I'll always remember Kenny Roberts refering to Superbikes as "trucks" back in the day, 'cause the GP bikes were so much lighter back then. LOL!
Bonzo 03-10-2003 09:27 AM

AMA is droping the only real race bikes on the track? That sucks! I don't mind packsters but we need a real race bike for ppl who want to go on to race other real race bike in the world today. Plus the cost to race a real race bike is much less compared to a 4-s. Uhgg, I hope CCS and teh various club racers keep this alive. I want to ride one some day. I never got to hear (or smell) a 500 live:(

For the record 4 strokes also have quite a bit of overlap when both valves are open. It just doesnt happen every stroke.

RIP Barry Sheene:(
SubEd 03-10-2003 01:07 PM

Ah, the "Ducati Curse" continues. :eek: :p
Bonzo 03-10-2003 01:16 PM

wow what a finish!

It did suuck when Yates went to deep. I would have liked to see him get some different color on the podium

I thought BBoz mighta had it with his killer drive out of t6 but that was one straight too soon.

It's cool the old man won:disco:
Streetman 03-10-2003 02:25 PM

Yeah, whatever. Miguel is a dork. He's a foreigner that doesn't shower much either. You're classic ball washer. As far as I'm concerned, he's failed at ever going beyond US racing. Same with Bostrom. Couldn't hang on the world scene, so he has to come back to where the Honda's can win with their politics, and rules. Then let's all stand up and cheer for Kurtis Roberts, who was born and bred to be a world champ, and can't get anything better than 3rd, and will never see a world stage. As always, never one to pass up the opportunity to whine about the injustices on raceday, his post race bitch session was 90% "Gobert cut me off, WHAH!!" Hey, jackass, let's replay a few times last year you cut people off, after riding off the track, or the year before with the T Bone incident you pulled at Road America. I can't believe at some point this dude was the strongest sperm. Then again, if you've ever heard his dad talk, I'd imagine there wasn't much competition.

Contrast this group with Yates who comes in 4th, explains how he just got in too hot from the draft, and made a mistake on his own. All around class act.

Watch for Gobert to pull a little WWF action, after Curtis's crying. Should make for some good dirt throughout the year.

In the privateer race, congrats to Barney on 8th. Pridmore can suck it, with his psydo factory team. Another underachiever, with all the support he has. Contrast that when, just two spots back was Andrew "Woody" Deatherage. I'm sure no one knows, but he's in his 40's, has been going to AMA races for years, on his own, in the old white panel van. To run 11th, not to mention 7th last year, is pretty darn cool, if you're talking about "the old man." If you're going to be around for Elkhart Lake this year, Bonzo, we'll all go grab a $1.25 Liney....or seven.

Gotta go watch the 750SS race, so I can find more things to bitch about. I predict Cicotto takes a podium spot.
Bonzo 03-10-2003 07:06 PM

Liney's it is:D
Nomadgene 03-11-2003 01:56 PM

Wow Streetman~!

You must be reading my mind when it comes to Roberts. I have wondered why the hell he keeps getting superbike rides(daddy!). He rarely can stay on the bike for the entire race, much less the entire season. When he does manage to win a race, he pulls some banzai move seriously endangering others in the process. Look back over the past 3-4 seasons and he is always hurt. He never makes it through a season without missing races due to injuries. In the 200 this year, he let up a bit after the chicane to let Miguel go past so he could get the big draft from the front two bikes, it totally backfired on him. He should have kept his head down and stayed in Bostrom's draft. A real punk, in my opinion.

This lineage thing in racing really blows in my opinion, Nascar is eaten up with it. Just because "Daddy" or "brother"was a racer and had success, or made a name for the family with sponsors, it usually means bunk when it comes to actual abilities. Money is what makes people the fastest in racing these days. "The name" usually is the one that gets the money and after several seasons of getting seat time that should have been going to a real talent who is hungry, "junior" finally wins the big one and the whole thing keeps perpetuating itself.

Agree with you on AARON YATES, total class, very determined and skilled rider. ONE tenacious SOB who will hopefully smoke Mladin's tail all year long!

If Michael Barnes had been given the opportunities that Roberts has been given over the years, I would almost bank on the possibility that he would be at GP level right now with several AMA championships behind him. Because he WANTS it and works on improving himself, he doesn't just sit there bitching about so and so.

Roberts continually gets frustrated with his lack of skills to get around another factory rider while on equal machinery, then throws the thing away, injuring himself in the process. It will happen again this year, mark my words.


NOMAD
SubEd 03-11-2003 02:25 PM

:lol: During that last lap, I was chanting "Anyone but Roberts, anyone but Roberts...."
Streetman 03-11-2003 05:28 PM

Yeah, Roberts could be a professional assclown. As far as racing lineage goes, oh well. That's never going to change. You watch NECKCAR? Homo. :lol:

I've met Barnes a few times, and although he's very talented, I don't think he's got it in him to be a factory rider. As in, all serious, all racing, all the time. Not that that's bad. I just think he's happy where he's at.

Cicotto is probabably the closest of what I would consider factory material. He was in town for a few days when the motorcycle show was here, a few weeks ago. He's very excited about 750SS this year. He's just an excitable guy, all around. I think that's what caused him to drop out of first in the SS race. Trying to break away at Daytona is an excercise in futility. Look for him to dominate the SS this year, like he dominated the Twin Championship. Anything you put him on, that is even close to being equal, he'll ride up front.

To put into perspective the difference in race teams, Mike told me that Team Hooters budget this year is $60K, same as the last two years. That's for a whole year. Just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet that Tommy Hayden has more than that wrapped up in just research on his overbored 600, and another $60K in/on the bike itself. How can you compete against that?

Hell, the golfcart of Hooter's slut/racer chaser/hookers....I mean girls, at the racetracks has more than $60K in plastic surgery on board.
subiewrx 03-12-2003 09:32 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SubEd [/i]
[B]During that last lap, I was chanting "Anyone but Roberts, anyone but Roberts...." [/B][/QUOTE]

Heh! Me, too. Ever since the 600 finale a couple years ago...he and Hacking will both be on my perpetual ishlist.
Nomadgene 03-12-2003 10:44 AM

[QUOTE]You watch NECKCAR? Homo. [/QUOTE]

Pretty damn hard to watch any other form of racing on TV, wouldn't you say?

At least where the speed channel programming is concerned. (thats another story entirely)
But no, I don't watch "neckcar" on a regular basis.

As far as the 'Homo" comment, what could be more gay than the INDY 500, with the winner drinking milk after the event? At least the "neckcar" guys crack open a beer afterwards!:D :lol:


But I digress,

I was born in Florida, saw Barnes in the pits many times through the years. You are probably right when you say[QUOTE]I've met Barnes a few times, and although he's very talented, I don't think he's got it in him to be a factory rider. As in, all serious, all racing, all the time. Not that that's bad. I just think he's happy where he's at.[/QUOTE] .

I should have been clearer. With his local successes, he has shown more determination and drive than Roberts ever has. ANY racer who has that many successful racing seasons, being a high finisher when national events come to their area, should(I feel) be considered for sponsorship. I have seen so many fast, talented people get out of racing because they felt they were just banging their heads against the wall to get up to the next level. All because "Daddy" was able to pull strings for "junior" thus taking a more deserving person's shot.

That's enough ranting for me today.

:disco: :devil:

NOMAD
Streetman 03-12-2003 10:45 AM

Ever notice the announcers talking about Hacking and Roberts being buddies? I guess misery loves company. How'd you like to have to sit and hang with those two bitches some night after a race. Both running in some mental midget marathon, vying for the lead.

Look for Gobi, the Bostroms, and Yates to do well this year, because they're not jackoffs. Also, look for a few races for Kurtis to T bone someone up front, take out a pile of the factory guys, and have one of those privateers sneak onto the Podium with a 1000. Just please don't let it be Pridmore on the psydo factory Attack bike.
EricB 03-12-2003 04:40 PM

Why so much dislike here?

I like Yates too, but he hasn't won any SB championships here in the US, unlike B. Bostrom, Miguel, or Mladin. Give credit to those who have won in the US, even if they haven't had success elsewhere.

As for Roberts, I agree, a wild man on the track.



Eric
Streetman 03-12-2003 06:30 PM

[QUOTE]Why so much dislike here?[/QUOTE]
Gotta have good guys and bad guys or what fun is it? So with that-

Mladin-didn't I catch him whining about his team after the last race, at VIR? something about taking his ball back home down under, and not coming back stateside? He could follow through on that, as far as I'm concerned. Let someone who doesn't complain on camera about the team have a chance on factory equipment. I could go on about some other things he's done.

BBoz-No real issue. Just think he took a step down, to win in the minor leagues again.

Miguel-He's so old, it's like an adult playing youth sports. Get on with getting to the big leagues already. And before he was old, he was French. What better reason do you need than that? How about Dave Dispain always referring to him as crafty, cagey veteran. Almost as annoying as calling David Sadowski "Ski", every two minutes.

EricB? Is this Eric Bostrom? :lol:
Streetman 03-12-2003 06:36 PM

Speaking of "Ski", (you've got me all fired up now)

I started playing the Ski Drinking Game this year.

Everytime he makes some off the wall, incorrect, totally made up comment, to hear himself talk-Take a drink

Everytime he starts reliving his glory days-begin chugging. don't quit til he stops. (you'll need to keep a few spare beers handy for this)

Everytime you hear "....grab a BIG HANDFULL of throttle"-do a shot.

With the 600 and Boxer races before the 200 this year, I passed out before the end of the Boxer race. So drunk, I slept right through till the next day, when the 200 started, and thought it was still Sunday.

Bring back Boomhower!!! I mean Scott Russel.
SubEd 03-12-2003 09:51 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Streetman [/i]
[B]Miguel-He's so old, it's like an adult playing youth sports. [/B][/QUOTE]

Blah blah blah. Who won the 200?
Streetman 03-12-2003 10:54 PM

Honda, who has had a year to cheat with the new bike.

Suzuki hasn't figured out how to cheat with their new bike yet, yet Yates almost rode to the podium with it. and dont even tell me these guys can't cheat because they get torn down, blah blah blah.

If they're not cheating, they're not winning. They just call it developement.
EricB 03-13-2003 09:09 AM

Actually, I think Miguel is French-Canadian. Gotta be better than being French these days.....



EricB (not EBoz, just an amatuer mc racer :( )
Streetman 03-13-2003 02:13 PM

Frecnch Canadian? Well then, he already thinks he hit the big league, compared to that dog and pony show they have in Canada. My bad. I still say he doesn't shower though. How'd you like to be in that draft?

What do you race? WERA? I will go to some of the WERA rounds this year, for sure. I haven't been to any in years. I heard last year they were straight up nuts between the top 4 or 5 guys.

You gonna make it to Putnam or IRP?
Nomadgene 03-14-2003 04:27 AM

Miguel has had alot of success through the years. His father YVON Duhamel was also a champion motorcycle rider.

But he didn't have nearly the pull of say, "Kenny Roberts" with securing a factory ride for his boy. Miguel worked hard and had consistent success(race wins and championships in 600 and superbike) through many seasons on factory equipment, at least when he wasn't riding the "Harley".

Kurtis Roberts has also had many seasons on factory equipment. Thus far he has produced a single 600 championship(with an infamous banzai move) and a formula extreme championship (in which he was riding a semi-factory bike that was head and shoulders better than anyone else's bike). Both of those championships were won years ago. In other seasons he has been hurt due to falls of his own doing. No one, that I can remember, has ever been given so many chances to stay on factory machinery with such poor results. Roberts consistency is DNF'ing and in acting like the spoiled, silver spoon-fed brat he is.


Yates is the MAN! He is physically much larger than the other guys he is racing against, an automatic drawback on 750's. It is only recently that he has been on completely equal equipment as his more prestigious teammate. With the move to 4 cylinder liter bikes this year, I think it is going to be the difference that puts him on top if the rulebooks haven't stacked the odds too heavily in Honda's favor.

NOMAD

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