| Ottawagon | 09-30-2006 10:35 AM |
Disable airbags for rally?
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Can someone give me a conclusive and correct set of instructions on disabling the airbags on a wrx (for motorsports purposes).
Searching revealed a lot of valid questions, that were answered only with a bunch of back and forth opinions on whether or not one should remove airbags, ever, for various motorsports. I really don't need a bunch of 1st or 2nd hand anecdotal evidence of airbags that either saved or hurt someone... I just want to know HOW do I disable them properly in a way that lets me reconnect them for daily driving...
How about we skip the preaching and answer just the question at hand (if possible). :D
Thanks!
Searching revealed a lot of valid questions, that were answered only with a bunch of back and forth opinions on whether or not one should remove airbags, ever, for various motorsports. I really don't need a bunch of 1st or 2nd hand anecdotal evidence of airbags that either saved or hurt someone... I just want to know HOW do I disable them properly in a way that lets me reconnect them for daily driving...
How about we skip the preaching and answer just the question at hand (if possible). :D
Thanks!
| Turbo9000 | 09-30-2006 12:31 PM |
not sure about 'various motorsports' ..if you plan to build a pgt subaru rally car or somthing.. the standard airbag steering wheel is typically replaced, the seats are always replaced with FIA legals and the passenger dash board typically has a rally computer mounted over the passenger airbag housing. rather than being disabled they are removed.
| Ottawagon | 09-30-2006 12:52 PM |
It is a daily driver used for TSD and brisk gravel / snow drive-x rallys. Also used for track / auto-x, but airbags are fine for that. The only events I would disable the airbag for are the gravel/snow drive-x events, as that is when I have the rally computer mounted. It is mounted in such a way that I am pretty sure it is airbag friendly (this was a concern when designing and fabricating the mounting solution).
Since it is usually a daily driver, removing them is not an option. I also still have the stock steering wheel, which I am fine with for now.
Basically, I just want to know what to unhook the day befor the rally, and how to hook it back up the day after.
Since it is usually a daily driver, removing them is not an option. I also still have the stock steering wheel, which I am fine with for now.
Basically, I just want to know what to unhook the day befor the rally, and how to hook it back up the day after.
| Subie Gal | 09-30-2006 01:02 PM |
um..... [b]rally[/b] cars remove their airbags
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
you can remove the airbag from your steering wheel
(easy - look for the screws on the sides of the steering wheel)
pass side airbag is a bitch to get out or even get to
i suppose you could try to disconnect the harness
but you'll still have to take your dash apart to get to it
good luck with that.
fwiw, i NEVER removed my pass side airbag
not on a gravel tsd
not on a snow tsd
my $.02
if you dont have a roll cage
you dont have the proper setup to be taking huge risks like that
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
you can remove the airbag from your steering wheel
(easy - look for the screws on the sides of the steering wheel)
pass side airbag is a bitch to get out or even get to
i suppose you could try to disconnect the harness
but you'll still have to take your dash apart to get to it
good luck with that.
fwiw, i NEVER removed my pass side airbag
not on a gravel tsd
not on a snow tsd
my $.02
if you dont have a roll cage
you dont have the proper setup to be taking huge risks like that
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| dxrat | 09-30-2006 02:18 PM |
just unplug the controller behind the ashtray.
| akuhner | 09-30-2006 02:43 PM |
If you have a 5pt, helmet and a cage ditch the airbags.
If not, you need all the protection you can get, keep them active.
However, DO NOT mount your rally computer on the passenger airbag. I was at a winter TSD and an RS went off the road, airbags deployed, co-driver ended up with a broken jaw I think because of the computer. I saw the car off and if it weren't for the computer nobody would have been hurt.
If not, you need all the protection you can get, keep them active.
However, DO NOT mount your rally computer on the passenger airbag. I was at a winter TSD and an RS went off the road, airbags deployed, co-driver ended up with a broken jaw I think because of the computer. I saw the car off and if it weren't for the computer nobody would have been hurt.
| AllWheelsDriven.net | 09-30-2006 03:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal;15442454]um..... [b]rally[/b] cars remove their airbags
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
you can remove the airbag from your steering wheel
(easy - look for the screws on the sides of the steering wheel)
pass side airbag is a bitch to get out or even get to
i suppose you could try to disconnect the harness
but you'll still have to take your dash apart to get to it
good luck with that.
fwiw, i NEVER removed my pass side airbag
not on a gravel tsd
not on a snow tsd
my $.02
if you dont have a roll cage
you dont have the proper setup to be taking huge risks like that
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
Jamie,
Please lighten up on this guy...Geez.
TSD is a real form of rally, and many TSD cars don't have cages, they aren't all stage rally cars.. That doesn't mean they are posers.
The passenger airbag isn't _that_ hard to get out. Pull the glove box ( a few screws), three 10mm nuts, and the plug.. The plug is the hardest part, FHI doesn't want people messing with them, so they make them a real pain to unplug. Then BAM! it's out.
You can also pull the fuse, or unplug the airbag ECU too.
Rally On!
B-:)
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
you can remove the airbag from your steering wheel
(easy - look for the screws on the sides of the steering wheel)
pass side airbag is a bitch to get out or even get to
i suppose you could try to disconnect the harness
but you'll still have to take your dash apart to get to it
good luck with that.
fwiw, i NEVER removed my pass side airbag
not on a gravel tsd
not on a snow tsd
my $.02
if you dont have a roll cage
you dont have the proper setup to be taking huge risks like that
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
Jamie,
Please lighten up on this guy...Geez.
TSD is a real form of rally, and many TSD cars don't have cages, they aren't all stage rally cars.. That doesn't mean they are posers.
The passenger airbag isn't _that_ hard to get out. Pull the glove box ( a few screws), three 10mm nuts, and the plug.. The plug is the hardest part, FHI doesn't want people messing with them, so they make them a real pain to unplug. Then BAM! it's out.
You can also pull the fuse, or unplug the airbag ECU too.
Rally On!
B-:)
| mykrrrr | 09-30-2006 03:42 PM |
TSD rallys are not held under stage rally speeds so there should be NO need to disable the airbags. I can see why you want to disable the passenger side one...a rally computer isn't the best thing to come towards you in a crash.
I've run one TSD (and my only one I'll ever do) and a guy running his DD had his rally computer mounted on a wood plank and it was sitting on the co-drivers lap. Pretty ingenious IMO.
I've run one TSD (and my only one I'll ever do) and a guy running his DD had his rally computer mounted on a wood plank and it was sitting on the co-drivers lap. Pretty ingenious IMO.
| Howl | 09-30-2006 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Ottawagon;15441556]Can someone give me a conclusive and correct set of instructions on disabling the airbags on a wrx (for motorsports purposes).
Searching revealed a lot of valid questions, that were answered only with a bunch of back and forth opinions on whether or not one should remove airbags, ever, for various motorsports. I really don't need a bunch of 1st or 2nd hand anecdotal evidence of airbags that either saved or hurt someone... I just want to know HOW do I disable them properly in a way that lets me reconnect them for daily driving...
How about we skip the preaching and answer just the question at hand (if possible). :D
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Look here: [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1044991&highlight=disable+airbags"]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1044991&highlight=disable+airbags[/URL]
In particular see posts #14, #38 and #43.
Don't want a repeat of last year eh?
Searching revealed a lot of valid questions, that were answered only with a bunch of back and forth opinions on whether or not one should remove airbags, ever, for various motorsports. I really don't need a bunch of 1st or 2nd hand anecdotal evidence of airbags that either saved or hurt someone... I just want to know HOW do I disable them properly in a way that lets me reconnect them for daily driving...
How about we skip the preaching and answer just the question at hand (if possible). :D
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Look here: [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1044991&highlight=disable+airbags"]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1044991&highlight=disable+airbags[/URL]
In particular see posts #14, #38 and #43.
Don't want a repeat of last year eh?
| Easy Rider | 09-30-2006 04:20 PM |
Some one who is in the know [B]could[/B] wire a small switch on the underside of the dash to turn them off.
All it takes is a switch, a little bit of wire, and the wiring diagram.
About 15 minutes.
All it takes is a switch, a little bit of wire, and the wiring diagram.
About 15 minutes.
| giveme5bux | 09-30-2006 09:49 PM |
well he clearly just wants to know how so...
How about you just pull the fuse...It's pretty simple its like labeled in yellow and says SRS AIR BAG
i mean i could sit here and argue about how cool i am and non poser like with my rally car but it is clearly stated in your post to not preach so ill comply
whoops just noticed allwheelsdriven beat me to it
How about you just pull the fuse...It's pretty simple its like labeled in yellow and says SRS AIR BAG
i mean i could sit here and argue about how cool i am and non poser like with my rally car but it is clearly stated in your post to not preach so ill comply
whoops just noticed allwheelsdriven beat me to it
| Ottawagon | 09-30-2006 10:57 PM |
:rolleyes: Thanks for the constructive comments, for those who gave them.
Jamie, not everyone has the money and time to pursue stage rally in a dedicated caged car... yet! Poseur? Whatever... I don't know your story, but it seems that most of the gus in stage rally are from old money families! Hell, that is the case for almost every high level form of car racing. It is not trivial to just start doing it. I just got into auto-x, tsd rally and drive-x rally last year, within months of getting my car, so cut me some freaking slack.
For navigational TSDs, yes - no worries. But there are some "brisk" drive-x pseudo-TSDs around here that are very fast, and offs happen. The only airbag I would consider removing is the passenger one, because of the proximity of the rally computer.
I will have a look at the plugs behind the console (taking that off is a 5 minute job). Still haven't decided if I want to remove it, but am strongly considering it. My navigator kind of likes the idea of not having an alfa coming at them at high speed.
Not that I will be going off though... :devil:
Jamie, not everyone has the money and time to pursue stage rally in a dedicated caged car... yet! Poseur? Whatever... I don't know your story, but it seems that most of the gus in stage rally are from old money families! Hell, that is the case for almost every high level form of car racing. It is not trivial to just start doing it. I just got into auto-x, tsd rally and drive-x rally last year, within months of getting my car, so cut me some freaking slack.
For navigational TSDs, yes - no worries. But there are some "brisk" drive-x pseudo-TSDs around here that are very fast, and offs happen. The only airbag I would consider removing is the passenger one, because of the proximity of the rally computer.
I will have a look at the plugs behind the console (taking that off is a 5 minute job). Still haven't decided if I want to remove it, but am strongly considering it. My navigator kind of likes the idea of not having an alfa coming at them at high speed.
Not that I will be going off though... :devil:
| Turbo9000 | 09-30-2006 11:09 PM |
[QUOTE=giveme5bux;15445996]
How about you just pull the fuse...It's pretty simple its like labeled in yellow and says SRS AIR BAG
[/QUOTE]
yeah yeah yeah mr too cool for school rally car guy :lol: but anyways dude theres like 2 of them yeller-labeled airbag fuses .the SRS can be disabled, the other one is shared with "IGN" when you pull that you will have sucessfully disabled sll the airbags. the car wont start until you put that fuse back in though.
How about you just pull the fuse...It's pretty simple its like labeled in yellow and says SRS AIR BAG
[/QUOTE]
yeah yeah yeah mr too cool for school rally car guy :lol: but anyways dude theres like 2 of them yeller-labeled airbag fuses .the SRS can be disabled, the other one is shared with "IGN" when you pull that you will have sucessfully disabled sll the airbags. the car wont start until you put that fuse back in though.
| rallynutdon | 10-01-2006 09:45 AM |
From my experience with disassembling 2 96 and 1 02 WRX, all wiring,connectors that are air bag related are YELLOW.
| Subie Gal | 10-01-2006 10:22 AM |
[QUOTE=Ottawagon;15446446]
Jamie, not everyone has the money and time to pursue stage rally in a dedicated caged car... yet! Poseur? Whatever... I don't know your story, but it seems that most of the gus in stage rally are from old money families! Hell, that is the case for almost every high level form of car racing. It is not trivial to just start doing it. I just got into auto-x, tsd rally and drive-x rally last year, within months of getting my car, so cut me some freaking slack.
[/QUOTE]
awww seems I struck a nerve :p
I wont lighten up. This is a serious subject with me.
Perhaps...
Let me rephrase if you will.
1)
First off... I didnt mean to offend. I know your plight.
I dont come from money
i dont have much money
I'm a single mom of 2 kids... and race when I can on what budget my sponsors provide for me.
No sponsors. No racing.
Everything I've accomplished has been earned. period.
2)
my point wasnt about MONEY...
or spending $ you dont have to prep a stage car
if you're going to TSD and play in the dirt... USE YOUR NOGGIN
if you dont have a roll cage
if you dont have proper harness'
for goodness sakes, keep the airbags in place
play "wannabe" a rally driver (and remove your airbags, etc)
(perhaps [i]poser[/i] was a less tactful word....)
You could end up very very hurt.
Gonna Gravel TSD in your daily driver?
find a better way to mount the rally computer
and keep the safety precautions in place
*shrug*
Or.... just disable the airbags... cuz somehow thats a lot safer - come on!
It's your noggin.
Use it or lose it... and yes, rollovers DO HAPPEN in TSD's... I've seen plenty.
my $.02 + some - - good luck :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
Jamie, not everyone has the money and time to pursue stage rally in a dedicated caged car... yet! Poseur? Whatever... I don't know your story, but it seems that most of the gus in stage rally are from old money families! Hell, that is the case for almost every high level form of car racing. It is not trivial to just start doing it. I just got into auto-x, tsd rally and drive-x rally last year, within months of getting my car, so cut me some freaking slack.
[/QUOTE]
awww seems I struck a nerve :p
I wont lighten up. This is a serious subject with me.
Perhaps...
Let me rephrase if you will.
1)
First off... I didnt mean to offend. I know your plight.
I dont come from money
i dont have much money
I'm a single mom of 2 kids... and race when I can on what budget my sponsors provide for me.
No sponsors. No racing.
Everything I've accomplished has been earned. period.
2)
my point wasnt about MONEY...
or spending $ you dont have to prep a stage car
if you're going to TSD and play in the dirt... USE YOUR NOGGIN
if you dont have a roll cage
if you dont have proper harness'
for goodness sakes, keep the airbags in place
play "wannabe" a rally driver (and remove your airbags, etc)
(perhaps [i]poser[/i] was a less tactful word....)
You could end up very very hurt.
Gonna Gravel TSD in your daily driver?
find a better way to mount the rally computer
and keep the safety precautions in place
*shrug*
Or.... just disable the airbags... cuz somehow thats a lot safer - come on!
It's your noggin.
Use it or lose it... and yes, rollovers DO HAPPEN in TSD's... I've seen plenty.
my $.02 + some - - good luck :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| bjorn240 | 10-01-2006 10:36 AM |
I think I disagree with Jamie on this one. My thinking is as follows - you should, of course, drive sensibly on a TSD, and take all normal precaution.
But airbags are a supplemental, not primary, restraint system, and the fundamental issue with airbags is that an otherwise small bump into a berm could cost you a lot of money. And I think that, if you drive sensibly, the likelihood of getting a small bump on a TSD is moderate, while the risk of having a big-ole wreck is very low.
And as Warren says - if I were going to do this, I'd have a careful look at the wiring diagram and put in a (few) switch(es), or unplug the airbag ECU.
- Christian
But airbags are a supplemental, not primary, restraint system, and the fundamental issue with airbags is that an otherwise small bump into a berm could cost you a lot of money. And I think that, if you drive sensibly, the likelihood of getting a small bump on a TSD is moderate, while the risk of having a big-ole wreck is very low.
And as Warren says - if I were going to do this, I'd have a careful look at the wiring diagram and put in a (few) switch(es), or unplug the airbag ECU.
- Christian
| REDrum | 10-01-2006 06:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal;15442454]um..... [b]rally[/b] cars remove their airbags
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
...if you dont have a roll cage
you dont have the proper setup to be taking huge risks like that
[/QUOTE]
That said, TSD rally cars should have cages? And those who run TSD w/o a cage and w/o passenger airbag are posers? :alien: Sorry but I find your thinking petulant and flawed Jamie.
TSD is a great estuary for performance rally, throwing out terms like 'poser' is very discouraging. Everyone has a different way of assessing and mitigating risk, and not everyone can afford a fully welded 6pt cage and 6 pt harness. In slow speed crashes (<35mph) I fear the effects of airbag deployment much more than direct crash trauma. My uncle was an orthopedic surgeon and saw dozens of fractured hands each year from air bag deployment slamming drivers hands into windshields. Trauma to chest, neck and forearms from airbag blast is also well recorded in emergency rooms.
I welcome air bags for high speed accidents (>60mph), but In a winter TSD rally, where its pretty easy to under-steer off or hit some under snow surprise, I'll take just a 3pt harness over the costly and painful side effects of airbag deployment any day. YMMV...
I think the OPs question has been answered.
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
...if you dont have a roll cage
you dont have the proper setup to be taking huge risks like that
[/QUOTE]
That said, TSD rally cars should have cages? And those who run TSD w/o a cage and w/o passenger airbag are posers? :alien: Sorry but I find your thinking petulant and flawed Jamie.
TSD is a great estuary for performance rally, throwing out terms like 'poser' is very discouraging. Everyone has a different way of assessing and mitigating risk, and not everyone can afford a fully welded 6pt cage and 6 pt harness. In slow speed crashes (<35mph) I fear the effects of airbag deployment much more than direct crash trauma. My uncle was an orthopedic surgeon and saw dozens of fractured hands each year from air bag deployment slamming drivers hands into windshields. Trauma to chest, neck and forearms from airbag blast is also well recorded in emergency rooms.
I welcome air bags for high speed accidents (>60mph), but In a winter TSD rally, where its pretty easy to under-steer off or hit some under snow surprise, I'll take just a 3pt harness over the costly and painful side effects of airbag deployment any day. YMMV...
I think the OPs question has been answered.
| Ottawagon | 10-01-2006 07:22 PM |
I understand the various opinions, but I have to agree with the last two...
An airbag is to save your life in a medium to high speed front end collision. They save lives, they work - I think they are a proven technology.
That said, in a brisk gravel/snow TSD, you are going pretty quick in some sections, but most of the "holy crap" moments have been on a really tight corner where you come in a bit hot, and maybe have just a bit of understeer, and hope to hell you don't go off into that tree. Or, you have a HARD brake, and wonder if you will slow down enough. I don't really see barreling into a tree at 50 mph (in which case an airbag would be nice). I figure it is a bigger risk to have a light off where you just kind of bump a rock/tree/snowbank at a speed where your seat belt is fine, but if the airbag DOES go off, you risk
1) airbag injury
2) potential injury from rally computer
3) $$$$ repairs!
As for (2), I really think that my alfa mount is designed well, and with respect to being "airbag friendly", but there is only one way to really test that theory (which I don't want to do). I had a few people look at it who know a fair bit (safety inspectors with transport canada department), and they agreed it was *probably* airbag friendly. Still though, there is that chance. Anyway, as mentioned, all motorsports are about risk and risk management - it is just a choice of where you choose to take that risk.
Thanks for the input eveyone. I will have to check out the yellow connectors and decide what to do.
An airbag is to save your life in a medium to high speed front end collision. They save lives, they work - I think they are a proven technology.
That said, in a brisk gravel/snow TSD, you are going pretty quick in some sections, but most of the "holy crap" moments have been on a really tight corner where you come in a bit hot, and maybe have just a bit of understeer, and hope to hell you don't go off into that tree. Or, you have a HARD brake, and wonder if you will slow down enough. I don't really see barreling into a tree at 50 mph (in which case an airbag would be nice). I figure it is a bigger risk to have a light off where you just kind of bump a rock/tree/snowbank at a speed where your seat belt is fine, but if the airbag DOES go off, you risk
1) airbag injury
2) potential injury from rally computer
3) $$$$ repairs!
As for (2), I really think that my alfa mount is designed well, and with respect to being "airbag friendly", but there is only one way to really test that theory (which I don't want to do). I had a few people look at it who know a fair bit (safety inspectors with transport canada department), and they agreed it was *probably* airbag friendly. Still though, there is that chance. Anyway, as mentioned, all motorsports are about risk and risk management - it is just a choice of where you choose to take that risk.
Thanks for the input eveyone. I will have to check out the yellow connectors and decide what to do.
| RobY | 10-01-2006 09:00 PM |
It takes a LOT for an airbag to go off. If it goes off trust me you need it.
If you hit somthing hard enough to set off your airbag you will have orders of magnitude more to worry about than replacing your airbag.
If you hit somthing hard enough to set off your airbag you will have orders of magnitude more to worry about than replacing your airbag.
| greg donovan | 10-01-2006 11:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal;15448881]awww seems I struck a nerve :p
I wont lighten up. This is a serious subject with me.
Perhaps...
Let me rephrase if you will.
1)
First off... I didnt mean to offend. I know your plight.
I dont come from money
i dont have much money
I'm a single mom of 2 kids... and race when I can on what budget my sponsors provide for me.
No sponsors. No racing.
Everything I've accomplished has been earned. period.
2)
my point wasnt about MONEY...
or spending $ you dont have to prep a stage car
if you're going to TSD and play in the dirt... USE YOUR NOGGIN
if you dont have a roll cage
if you dont have proper harness'
for goodness sakes, keep the airbags in place
play "wannabe" a rally driver (and remove your airbags, etc)
(perhaps [i]poser[/i] was a less tactful word....)
You could end up very very hurt.
Gonna Gravel TSD in your daily driver?
find a better way to mount the rally computer
and keep the safety precautions in place
*shrug*
Or.... just disable the airbags... cuz somehow thats a lot safer - come on!
It's your noggin.
Use it or lose it... and yes, rollovers DO HAPPEN in TSD's... I've seen plenty.
my $.02 + some - - good luck :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
how is running a WRX w/the airbags disabled any different than running a TSD in my 1990 legacy sedan that never had airbags?
I wont lighten up. This is a serious subject with me.
Perhaps...
Let me rephrase if you will.
1)
First off... I didnt mean to offend. I know your plight.
I dont come from money
i dont have much money
I'm a single mom of 2 kids... and race when I can on what budget my sponsors provide for me.
No sponsors. No racing.
Everything I've accomplished has been earned. period.
2)
my point wasnt about MONEY...
or spending $ you dont have to prep a stage car
if you're going to TSD and play in the dirt... USE YOUR NOGGIN
if you dont have a roll cage
if you dont have proper harness'
for goodness sakes, keep the airbags in place
play "wannabe" a rally driver (and remove your airbags, etc)
(perhaps [i]poser[/i] was a less tactful word....)
You could end up very very hurt.
Gonna Gravel TSD in your daily driver?
find a better way to mount the rally computer
and keep the safety precautions in place
*shrug*
Or.... just disable the airbags... cuz somehow thats a lot safer - come on!
It's your noggin.
Use it or lose it... and yes, rollovers DO HAPPEN in TSD's... I've seen plenty.
my $.02 + some - - good luck :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
how is running a WRX w/the airbags disabled any different than running a TSD in my 1990 legacy sedan that never had airbags?
| greg donovan | 10-01-2006 11:44 PM |
[QUOTE=RobY;15453833]It takes a LOT for an airbag to go off. If it goes off trust me you need it.
If you hit somthing hard enough to set off your airbag you will have orders of magnitude more to worry about than replacing your airbag.[/QUOTE]
1995-99 subaru legacies had to have thier front towhooks cut off in a recall becuase impacts w/the hooks into curbs and parking berms had set off some airbags.
so it doesnt take that much to set one off.
If you hit somthing hard enough to set off your airbag you will have orders of magnitude more to worry about than replacing your airbag.[/QUOTE]
1995-99 subaru legacies had to have thier front towhooks cut off in a recall becuase impacts w/the hooks into curbs and parking berms had set off some airbags.
so it doesnt take that much to set one off.
| Protege Menace | 10-02-2006 12:03 AM |
[quote=greg donovan;15455737]1995-99 subaru legacies had to have thier front towhooks cut off in a recall becuase impacts w/the hooks into curbs and parking berms had set off some airbags.
so it doesnt take that much to set one off.[/quote]
that must be a common problem with airbagged cars, as my own car has that same recall.
not sure if the orig owner got it fixed, i have bottomed out the front end WAY too many times :X :lol:
so it doesnt take that much to set one off.[/quote]
that must be a common problem with airbagged cars, as my own car has that same recall.
not sure if the orig owner got it fixed, i have bottomed out the front end WAY too many times :X :lol:
| mannslayer | 10-02-2006 01:07 AM |
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=goHMRXryeMA[/url]
| RobY | 10-02-2006 01:32 AM |
That video is fake. There would be a hell of alot more smoke, the airbag would be deflated, and he would have had his glasses knocked clean off. Plus his passenger airbag would have gone off too. Airbag deployment is pretty violent. Plus its a commercial for ikea.
| Protege Menace | 10-02-2006 03:45 AM |
Ive seen 2 airbags inflate in real life 5 feet in front of me (safe driving school to lower my insurance, they had the front clip of a car with airbags.)
it sounds exactly like a shotgun, some powder, nothing major.
it sounds exactly like a shotgun, some powder, nothing major.
| Howl | 10-02-2006 09:04 AM |
I've driven in some of the brisk TSD's that Ottawagon is talking about in my daily driver. The great thing about them is there are huge snow banks on either side of the road, so if you have an incident damage is relatively minor. Last year I had an encounter with a snow bank. The next car along pulled me out and I was able to continued the event. I had to replace my front bumper skin and one driving light (at my own expence). Luckily my airbag did not go off. If it had I would have been out of the event and I would have been calling the insurance company. And that would have been the end of rallying for me.
| Mykl | 10-02-2006 09:12 AM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal;15442454]um..... [b]rally[/b] cars remove their airbags
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
[/QUOTE]
Wow...
You realize that there are a lot of different types of rally events, right? Not all of them require WRC levels of prep.
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
[/QUOTE]
Wow...
You realize that there are a lot of different types of rally events, right? Not all of them require WRC levels of prep.
| Ottawagon | 10-02-2006 10:06 AM |
[QUOTE=Protege Menace;15457314]Ive seen 2 airbags inflate in real life 5 feet in front of me (safe driving school to lower my insurance, they had the front clip of a car with airbags.)
it sounds exactly like a shotgun, some powder, nothing major.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - I got to see that demo once as well, it was CRAZY loud and violent! Kind of scary to think about that going off in your face.
[QUOTE=Howl;15458133]I've driven in some of the brisk TSD's that Ottawagon is talking about in my daily driver. The great thing about them is there are huge snow banks on either side of the road, so if you have an incident damage is relatively minor. Last year I had an encounter with a snow bank. The next car along pulled me out and I was able to continued the event. I had to replace my front bumper skin and one driving light (at my own expence). Luckily my airbag did not go off. If it had I would have been out of the event and I would have been calling the insurance company. And that would have been the end of rallying for me.[/QUOTE]
In one of the winter rallys last year, one guy had a light encounter with a tree, the airbag went off (when it really probably should not have), and the navigator sustained permanent damage to at least one eye.... :( have not heard an update on him for a while now, but it was a very non-trivial injury.
That is what I want to avoid! I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows... sometimes if it hits in just the right way, it might set it off.
it sounds exactly like a shotgun, some powder, nothing major.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - I got to see that demo once as well, it was CRAZY loud and violent! Kind of scary to think about that going off in your face.
[QUOTE=Howl;15458133]I've driven in some of the brisk TSD's that Ottawagon is talking about in my daily driver. The great thing about them is there are huge snow banks on either side of the road, so if you have an incident damage is relatively minor. Last year I had an encounter with a snow bank. The next car along pulled me out and I was able to continued the event. I had to replace my front bumper skin and one driving light (at my own expence). Luckily my airbag did not go off. If it had I would have been out of the event and I would have been calling the insurance company. And that would have been the end of rallying for me.[/QUOTE]
In one of the winter rallys last year, one guy had a light encounter with a tree, the airbag went off (when it really probably should not have), and the navigator sustained permanent damage to at least one eye.... :( have not heard an update on him for a while now, but it was a very non-trivial injury.
That is what I want to avoid! I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows... sometimes if it hits in just the right way, it might set it off.
| Howl | 10-02-2006 10:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Ottawagon;15458706]Yeah - I got to see that demo once as well, it was CRAZY loud and violent! Kind of scary to think about that going off in your face.
In one of the winter rallys last year, one guy had a light encounter with a tree, the airbag went off (when it really probably should not have), and the navigator sustained permanent damage to at least one eye.... :( have not heard an update on him for a while now, but it was a very non-trivial injury.
That is what I want to avoid! I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows... sometimes if it hits in just the right way, it might set it off.[/QUOTE]
When you say "one guy" everyone here should know this was a very experienced rally person (at the stage-rally level) not some kid out with his new STi. In fact the organizers don't allow noobies to enter these "brisk" events. The CAS's are below the posted speed limit, but they are on roads that don't normally get a lot of use in winter.
In one of the winter rallys last year, one guy had a light encounter with a tree, the airbag went off (when it really probably should not have), and the navigator sustained permanent damage to at least one eye.... :( have not heard an update on him for a while now, but it was a very non-trivial injury.
That is what I want to avoid! I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows... sometimes if it hits in just the right way, it might set it off.[/QUOTE]
When you say "one guy" everyone here should know this was a very experienced rally person (at the stage-rally level) not some kid out with his new STi. In fact the organizers don't allow noobies to enter these "brisk" events. The CAS's are below the posted speed limit, but they are on roads that don't normally get a lot of use in winter.
| Ottawagon | 10-02-2006 11:19 AM |
Yes - Definitely a valid and important point!
| Morison | 10-02-2006 11:46 AM |
[QUOTE=Ottawagon;15458706]I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows...[/QUOTE]
My wrx has had two near identical tree strikes, both taking out the rad and nearly making it to the block. Neither time saw the airbags deployed.
I am inclined to reccomend leaving the airbags active ... as I do in my daily drover for brisk tsds and course car duties ... if for no other reason that the car is designed to give you the best possible protection it can.
There are a number of factors that can change the equation, as an example helmets and airbags are a bad combination. I would think that a 4/5/6 point harness that stops you from moving forward to meet the airbags would likely increase the injury a bag would infilict on you. (The bag face will have reached a higher spped before contact)
Ultimately, I guess I am saying that if you are running the stock 3pt belt and stock seats, you're likely better off leaving the airbags operational. Once we get into adding 4pt harnesses we open up the next can of worms (harneses without a cage) adn really change the dynamics of the accident inside the car.
My wrx has had two near identical tree strikes, both taking out the rad and nearly making it to the block. Neither time saw the airbags deployed.
I am inclined to reccomend leaving the airbags active ... as I do in my daily drover for brisk tsds and course car duties ... if for no other reason that the car is designed to give you the best possible protection it can.
There are a number of factors that can change the equation, as an example helmets and airbags are a bad combination. I would think that a 4/5/6 point harness that stops you from moving forward to meet the airbags would likely increase the injury a bag would infilict on you. (The bag face will have reached a higher spped before contact)
Ultimately, I guess I am saying that if you are running the stock 3pt belt and stock seats, you're likely better off leaving the airbags operational. Once we get into adding 4pt harnesses we open up the next can of worms (harneses without a cage) adn really change the dynamics of the accident inside the car.
| SlideWRX | 10-02-2006 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Turbo9000;15446512]yeah yeah yeah mr too cool for school rally car guy :lol: but anyways dude theres like 2 of them yeller-labeled airbag fuses .the SRS can be disabled, the other one is shared with "IGN" when you pull that you will have sucessfully disabled sll the airbags. the car wont start until you put that fuse back in though.[/QUOTE]
Does the car need it *after* it starts? (edit: pull that fuse specifically after it's running to see if it stops) Is it the key ignition circuit? put a switch on it to turn it off after ignition. Then call your insurance company to get a discount for a hidden ignition interrupt switch.
:banana: :banana:
Tom
Does the car need it *after* it starts? (edit: pull that fuse specifically after it's running to see if it stops) Is it the key ignition circuit? put a switch on it to turn it off after ignition. Then call your insurance company to get a discount for a hidden ignition interrupt switch.
:banana: :banana:
Tom
| Robin2 | 10-02-2006 04:24 PM |
hey Ottawagon,
Our pro rally co-driver Marc asked the same questions about a year or so ago:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703114&highlight=airbags[/url]
These events that Ottawagon is talking about are pretty competitive.... and we normally get top Pro Rally teams entering in street vehicles....
Our pro rally co-driver Marc asked the same questions about a year or so ago:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703114&highlight=airbags[/url]
These events that Ottawagon is talking about are pretty competitive.... and we normally get top Pro Rally teams entering in street vehicles....
| bjorn240 | 10-02-2006 04:52 PM |
OMG!!! Marc Goldfarb is going to die!!! I can't believe he'd advocate something so irresponsible!!! We're all going to die!!! Won't anyone think of the children???
| REDrum | 10-02-2006 05:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Robin2;15463897]
Our pro rally co-driver Marc ....[/QUOTE]
Uhemmm.... "our" pro rally co-driver? ORLY?
IIRC Marc now lives in NH which I makes him 'our', New England, irresponsible poser pro-rally co-driver :devil:
As for the children..., don them in chain maille....
Our pro rally co-driver Marc ....[/QUOTE]
Uhemmm.... "our" pro rally co-driver? ORLY?
IIRC Marc now lives in NH which I makes him 'our', New England, irresponsible poser pro-rally co-driver :devil:
As for the children..., don them in chain maille....
| Ottawagon | 10-02-2006 06:19 PM |
[QUOTE=REDrum;15464560]Uhemmm.... "our" pro rally co-driver? ORLY?
IIRC Marc now lives in NH which I makes him 'our', New England, irresponsible poser pro-rally co-driver :devil:
[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I think Robin still gets to say "our" since he crews for Marc and ACP. ;)
And yeah, last year ACP came out to one of our gravel events, as well as one of the winter events. John Buffum co-drove for Paul at that winter one also. This year Matt Iorio is coming to one of the two gravel events this month. It is pretty awesome for us regular dudes to have guys like that show up! :D
IIRC Marc now lives in NH which I makes him 'our', New England, irresponsible poser pro-rally co-driver :devil:
[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I think Robin still gets to say "our" since he crews for Marc and ACP. ;)
And yeah, last year ACP came out to one of our gravel events, as well as one of the winter events. John Buffum co-drove for Paul at that winter one also. This year Matt Iorio is coming to one of the two gravel events this month. It is pretty awesome for us regular dudes to have guys like that show up! :D
| bjorn240 | 10-02-2006 07:12 PM |
I believe you mean, "Poseur."
Bon Soir!
- Christian
Bon Soir!
- Christian
| Robin2 | 10-02-2006 11:18 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15464311]OMG!!! Marc Goldfarb is going to die!!! I can't believe he'd advocate something so irresponsible!!! We're all going to die!!! Won't anyone think of the children???[/QUOTE]
:lol: remember Christian..... he's from "live free or die" state! he's not a poseur but a "mad scientist"! :)
Ya.... been doing this rally thing (crew) for a few times.... right bjorn240? Xgames drive was a fun one...... but glad I had a flight back!
:lol: remember Christian..... he's from "live free or die" state! he's not a poseur but a "mad scientist"! :)
Ya.... been doing this rally thing (crew) for a few times.... right bjorn240? Xgames drive was a fun one...... but glad I had a flight back!
| gts24 | 10-22-2014 08:34 PM |
With the current recall ongoing, I want to disable my airbags. Is it truly as simple as pulling the airbag fuse? Rather disable them than wait for GM (Saab 92x in my case) to get their **** together.
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/10/22/takata-airbag-deaths-recall-stock-investors-defect/17709019/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-0w9bZxNZ9YKYukFwOR6FwQ[/url]
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usatoday wrote:
Toyota said in that it announcement that the Takata passenger airbags are so risky that it wants dealers to get their hands on any unfixed cars among those 247,000 Toyotas and Lexuses in high-humidity areas and either repair them or [B]disable the passenger airbags if they don't have the parts immediately available to fix the problem.e a decision as follows: [/B]
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[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/10/22/takata-airbag-deaths-recall-stock-investors-defect/17709019/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-0w9bZxNZ9YKYukFwOR6FwQ[/url]
[quote]
usatoday wrote:
Toyota said in that it announcement that the Takata passenger airbags are so risky that it wants dealers to get their hands on any unfixed cars among those 247,000 Toyotas and Lexuses in high-humidity areas and either repair them or [B]disable the passenger airbags if they don't have the parts immediately available to fix the problem.e a decision as follows: [/B]
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